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iSpy Conspiracy: Is Your iPhone Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been, All The Time????

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, the android phones do the same sort of thing. They may not track where you have been, but they do everything else. They are like winprinters in that a LOT of functionality only APPEARS to be on the phone. In reality, it uses googles apps in Gmail. So google gets that info about the second you save it "to the phone"!

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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      How about this device in Michigan...
      Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops


      Michigan Police Search Smartphones
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Well, The constitution and legal precedent declare that ILLEGAL! If there is no probable cause, and it is not out in PLAIN site, then it is against US law, who cares what michigan says. HECK, there have been cases where they have done LESS intrusive searches, found a guilty party, and the person goes free because everything was based on an illegal search.

        And YEAH, plain site is somewhat nebulous, SOMEWHAT! There is a TV program here run by the sheriffs department where they go to a parking lot, and look in various cars and try to determine ways to rip the people off. They effectively do a SEARCH! THAT was deemed constitutional, because they can see the objects through the windows. There is NO reasonable expectation of privacy. Cell Phones are CLEARLY different. Pushing buttons on a phone would be tantamount to opening those cars. And they are NOT allowed to open the cars unless they ALREADY see a reason too, or have a search warrant.

        BTW the reason why the sheriffs department does that is because they encourage people to be more careful. They had things like, an open car, where someone could even steal a battery, addresses, so the burglars know where there is a nice home that may be vacant, license plates on the seat just ASKING to be stolen, etc....

        INCREDIBLE!

        And NO, I am not a lawyer, but they DID cover this in law class.

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        • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Well, The constitution and legal precedent declare that ILLEGAL!
          Steve
          I lived in Detroit for twenty five years believe me, if they can think it, they will do it,

          I am in Florida now and this is what I heard on the radio the other day The New Smart Phone Speed Law Goes Into Effect Today!

          That's F'n BS!
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

            I lived in Detroit for twenty five years believe me, if they can think it, they will do it,

            I am in Florida now and this is what I heard on the radio the other day The New Smart Phone Speed Law Goes Into Effect Today!

            That's F'n BS!
            Can you imagine the processing power, etc... that must be used for that? Tracking the speed of THOUSANDS of phones? And better not throw your cell phhone away, like sal suggests! Their gadget may pick it up as going 100 MPH, and you're SUNK!

            What if you're FLYING? If an hour later your phone appears 600 miles away, will they figure you went 600 MPH? And HOW do they know that YOU had the phone with you? What if you are on a ROLLERCOASTER? I mean THIS IS SICK!

            I still remember that columbo episode when a person tried to use a SPEEDING TICKET as an alibi! He ALMOST got away until columbo realized that the shadow on the nose was out of place. It was someone ELSE wearing a photograph to fool the camera. The shadow made it CLEAR that it was a 2d image.

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          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
            Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

            I lived in Detroit for twenty five years believe me, if they can think it, they will do it,

            I am in Florida now and this is what I heard on the radio the other day The New Smart Phone Speed Law Goes Into Effect Today!

            That's F'n BS!

            Didn't anybody else visit that page?...it say's
            "Happy April Fool's Day from WiLD 94.1!"
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Well, you might as well read these, too...

              Red Tape - Gadget gives cops quick access to cell phone data

              http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2...e-using-photos
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                That second link is pretty amazing, Bill. Ya think that might be what's behind google trying to buy twitter (for an ungodly price) and twitter's refusal to part with their business (for an ungodly profit)?
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                • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  Ya think that might be what's behind google trying to buy twitter (for an ungodly price) and twitter's refusal to part with their business (for an ungodly profit)?
                  Sally,

                  Whatever you're smoking I want a kilo of it...
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                    Sally,

                    Whatever you're smoking I want a kilo of it...
                    Shure thing Bill - just stick your nose in the air and find your way over.

                    When it comes to the game called WORLD DOMINATION, trust no one.

                    Um....trust me on that one.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Didn't anybody else visit that page?...it say's
              "Happy April Fool's Day from WiLD 94.1!"

              See how quick Gossip travels? But honestly they had the whole Tampa Area in an uproar, some still don't know it was April Fools day
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

                See how quick Gossip travels? But honestly they had the whole Tampa Area in an uproar, some still don't know it was April Fools day
                THIS may be the most famous example of what you are talkinng about:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War...s_(radio_drama)

                The first two thirds of the 60-minute broadcast were presented as a series of simulated "news bulletins", which suggested to many listeners that an actual alien invasion by Martians was currently in progress. Compounding the issue was the fact that the Mercury Theatre on the Air was a 'sustaining show' (it ran without commercial breaks), thus adding to the program's quality of realism. Although there were sensationalist accounts in the press about a supposed panic in response to the broadcast, the precise extent of listener response has been debated. In the days following the adaptation, however, there was widespread outrage. The program's news-bulletin format was decried as cruelly deceptive by some newspapers and public figures, leading to an outcry against the perpetrators of the broadcast, but the episode secured Orson Welles' fame.
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                • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  THIS may be the most famous example of what you are talkinng about:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama)



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                  LOL My dad still talks about that show causing country wide chaos
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                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                    Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

                    LOL My dad still talks about that show causing country wide chaos
                    The interesting thing is they STILL do such things! I have seen some SCI-FI programs that talk about POSSIBLE NATURAL DISASTERS and they have a new program that LOOKS like one you would actually see, I mean EVEN logos like CNN! And they may have REAL known anchor people, and they talk about this disaster. and I'm like "WHAT THE...", watch it, and THEN it finally becomes clear that it is part of another program, and they say something silly that makes it unreal. But IMAGINE if someone were neurotic, and only watched for a few minutes, and saw the "NEWS"! Gee, they don't use real phone numbers, maybe they should likewise somehow change the news.

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                    • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
                      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                      The interesting thing is they STILL do such things! I have seen some SCI-FI programs that talk about POSSIBLE NATURAL DISASTERS and they have a new program that LOOKS like one you would actually see, I mean EVEN logos like CNN! And they may have REAL known anchor people, and they talk about this disaster. and I'm like "WHAT THE...", watch it, and THEN it finally becomes clear that it is part of another program, and they say something silly that makes it unreal. But IMAGINE if someone were neurotic, and only watched for a few minutes, and saw the "NEWS"! Gee, they don't use real phone numbers, maybe they should likewise somehow change the news.

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                      Internet Marketing = creating a need, publicisng and persuading into a mindset. Is it that far off?
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

                        Internet Marketing = creating a need, publicisng and persuading into a mindset. Is it that far off?
                        Outside of stealing, vandalism, lieing, or selling an addictive drug, CREATE a need out of thin air? You are supposed to FIND ONE! GRANTED, you can improve on something you have sold to fill a need, and they can need the new item to make the old one really fill the need, but that IS different.

                        And HOW is the idea of a FAKE broadcast doing that? GRANTED, it creates a need to watch to see if you really have something to worry about. One such fake stock story, for example, was about a stock market crash. But that is a LIE! In fact, MOST sales are probably made through LIES! Look at MADOFF! LIES!

                        Heck, we have an agency that is really there for only ONE reason! Look at their mission statement, etc... Their BASE raison d'etre is simply to give a remedy for, and prevent, lies used to sell a product/service. OH YEAH, they are to prevent VANDALISM also! One time I went to get a moped. I SAW the guy stick a screwdriver into an area and damage it, before I could use it. Want to guess what happened? He offered me a more expensive model! Of course it COST more! That was bait and switch! The same sort of thing happens in car repair. But vandalism IS a sort of lie. You are falsly claiming that something is bad for some other reason.

                        HEY, one day in 1987 someone that should NOT have known remarked about a huge stock crash. She was the SAME person that like the year before made a "mistake" on my paycheck on 4/1! I don't think I even believed it until ANOTHER that should NOT have known came in with an even crazier value. Well, they were RIGHT! 2001, I saw a REALLY stupid picture. For some reason I thought it was REAL! I thought WOW, how STUPID! What an IDIOT! A bit later, I saw someone ELSE do the same thing! I thought YIKES, we're under attack! I wonder if UBL will be blamed! YEP FOLKS, it was 9/11. So HOW could I discount anything that seems even MORE likely?

                        I mean TWO large commercial aircraft flying SO low, let alone crashing into the towers? WHO would have thought?

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Didn't anybody else visit that page?...it say's
              "Happy April Fool's Day from WiLD 94.1!"
              Well, I don't think that technology is that far advanced, and like I said it would require a LOT of power. It would just be DUMB! And they talk about conserving power? But, but, ****BUT**** people shouldn't HAVE to watch such things in authoritative sources. I mean various powers, at least, don't know and don't care what is feasible. An april fools joke could become the law.

              And if it becomes infeasible to do this, they might put a little bit of code in the phone to determine its speed, keep a record of that and, when selected, download it. Now THAT IS VERY possible. The hardware is all there in most cases. It is cheap and easy. I mean it really is just adding some code. It has a PRECEDENT! Some truckers have that type of gadget and have to deal with it, though it is built into a gadget in the cab. And doing it when stopped or whatever would require little power, and likely be legal. It would certainly be FAR more reliable than triangulation from a couple cell phone towers.

              Who knows, they may EVEN start building it into things like GPS systems. I mean at least one of my GPS systems tells me the speed I am going, and if I am going faster than the speed limit. If it simply stored that, and could broadcast it....

              At least one insurance company here now has a gadget that you can keep in your car. IT does EXACTLY what I am talking about! RIGHT NOW! THEY do it on the basis that if it determines you are a safe driver, you get a lower price on your premium.

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            • Profile picture of the author Bradley J Anderson
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Didn't anybody else visit that page?...it say's
              "Happy April Fool's Day from WiLD 94.1!"
              April Fool's or not, these are used to track people. At least hundreds of criminals over the last few years have been apprehended simply because they were too stupid to get rid of their phone, and the police used it to track them down.

              A few years ago, I watched something on tv and Hillary Clinton was talking to a group of people about a test program being implemented somewhere in Colorado. It had something to do with a new chip implanted in some sort of card (I think it had something to do with here Universal Health Care initiative, but I'm not sure about that). Up on the screen was a map of the metro area, and she said all the yellow dots you are seeing are the people carrying those cards. And yes, when they zoomed in, you could see what street they were on, and what direction they were walking or driving.

              Big Brother has been alive for many years now, and it's only going to get worse.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Just one more reason to add to a growing list to drop your cell phone in the recycle bin and disconnect. They can't use them against you if you don't own them.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
      Listening to the show that morning, the main goal was to get drivers to shut there phones off while driving, because if the phone is off it cannot track you. According to the radio station these fines are even imposed when you are on a plane and I thought it was something like $15 per mile over! Can you imagine that bill?

      (btw it is against the law to have your phone on in a plane anyway here)
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by BigDaddys101 View Post

        Listening to the show that morning, the main goal was to get drivers to shut there phones off while driving, because if the phone is off it cannot track you. According to the radio station these fines are even imposed when you are on a plane and I thought it was something like $15 per mile over! Can you imagine that bill?

        (btw it is against the law to have your phone on in a plane anyway here)

        BzZZZZZ - wrong answer. Cell phones CAN and DO track you when they are shut off. Uncle Sam wants all of you to have your cell phone with you at ALL times. check out US registered patents. They can do all sorts of stuff you'd never even think of~
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        • Profile picture of the author Bradley J Anderson
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          BzZZZZZ - wrong answer. Cell phones CAN and DO track you when they are shut off. Uncle Sam wants all of you to have your cell phone with you at ALL times. check out US registered patents. They can do all sorts of stuff you'd never even think of~
          Correct. The only way to get around it is to either take out your battery, or remove the GPS, which would render most phones inoperable (and this is intentional, btw).

          iPhones aren't the only ones, either.

          These were added for a reason, and I would bet the phone companies had no choice in the matter.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          BzZZZZZ - wrong answer. Cell phones CAN and DO track you when they are shut off. Uncle Sam wants all of you to have your cell phone with you at ALL times. check out US registered patents. They can do all sorts of stuff you'd never even think of~
          Your right. Phones use an AWFUL lot of power when they are OFF, so you KNOW they must be doing SOMETHING! And blackberrys have a timer to turn them on.

          BESIDES, you ARE allowed to have phones on aircraft. In fact, they have stated that you CAN use phones before the door closes, and before it opens, and MANY use them right after landing. Still, that is no excuse for what they are doing. Polluting the airwaves with MOER radiation, using our phones batteries, and for WHAT? To give us a TICKET? Suppose you are on a bike, and end up slipping, and falling down a huge hill. Not only do you get a hospital bill, and who knows else, but a TRAFFIC TICKET?

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    • Profile picture of the author KathyK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Just one more reason to add to a growing list to drop your cell phone in the recycle bin and disconnect. They can't use them against you if you don't own them.
      Indeed, and I don't. I have a landline. They have to wiretap to watch a landline (and by they, I don't mean just gov't-almost anyone who knows how can tap cellphones and other unsecured wireless. (Including those handy little landline radio phone things.)

      Also, I live in SW FL. And after Hurricane Charley, I was the only one in my neighborhood that had phone. Or internet (with a generator - electric was out too.) Seems that old Charley took down all towers that serviced cellphones.

      Unlike Sal, I think I'm a bit more paranoid about crakerz and such than about the gov't (who are far less efficient and tech-savvy). But the principle is the same, either way.

      Oh, and just because you are paranoid doesn't meant they aren't out to get you...
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by KathyK View Post

        Indeed, and I don't. I have a landline. They have to wiretap to watch a landline (and by they, I don't mean just gov't-almost anyone who knows how can tap cellphones and other unsecured wireless. (Including those handy little landline radio phone things.)

        Also, I live in SW FL. And after Hurricane Charley, I was the only one in my neighborhood that had phone. Or internet (with a generator - electric was out too.) Seems that old Charley took down all towers that serviced cellphones.

        Unlike Sal, I think I'm a bit more paranoid about crakerz and such than about the gov't (who are far less efficient and tech-savvy). But the principle is the same, either way.

        Oh, and just because you are paranoid doesn't meant they aren't out to get you...

        ROFL...ain't that the truth...
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        Originally Posted by KathyK View Post


        Oh, and just because you are paranoid doesn't meant they aren't out to get you...
        LOL. Actually my decision to never get a cell phone was at first because I don't really like the idea of sticking radiation up to my head. After that, I was also pleased people had no way to contact me on my days off when I owned a business. One of my partners was the type that would have called me while I was climbing a 14,000 foot mountain (which I did regularly) and expect me to run down it and drive 6 hours back there for a pickyuny little detail they could handle themselves.

        Now - you want to track me, and you need to learn tricks because I'm not handing you the keys.
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    Of course they track you and how about getting blasted with the ZBV backscatter Xray vans against your will OR knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author JordanBanks
    Cars with On-Star navigation systems are activated and "ON", even if you are not subscriber. Their microphones are fully functional and operators can hear you...

    Or not.

    Who knows?

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    • Profile picture of the author Algorithms
      Originally Posted by JordanBanks View Post

      Cars with On-Star navigation systems are activated and "ON", even if you are not subscriber. Their microphones are fully functional and operators can hear you...

      Or not.

      Who knows?

      on-star privacy - Google Search=
      You can disable the On-Star System pretty easily if your that worried. I believe it uses an antenna on the windshield for transmission of data, but with that disconnected, the transmissions would fail. You could also disconnect all the wires, but that would probably result in an annoying check engine light.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Algorithms View Post

        You can disable the On-Star System pretty easily if your that worried. I believe it uses an antenna on the windshield for transmission of data, but with that disconnected, the transmissions would fail. You could also disconnect all the wires, but that would probably result in an annoying check engine light.
        Well, wouldn't such an antenna ALSO be used by the radio? And the gadget PROBABLY uses satellite communication anyway. Normal radio could be problematic in areas, and cellphones obviously are. And relying on a LARGE antenna would be a problem, ESPECIALLY in the widshield! GRANTED, it isn't supposed to really "break", but connections INSIDE certainly could. IMAGINE that you are in MAJOR trouble, and everything FAILS because the window was damaged! YIKES! IRONIC!

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Senator Franken is very interested in this problem also...

    Al Franken, Ed Markey Press Steve Jobs On iPhone Tracking
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I hadn't thought about the minors. There is a FEDERAL law OUTLAWING ANY collection of personal data on people younger than 13 Years.

    Children's Online Privacy Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    GRANTED, that is "online", but really, online should simply mean PUBLIC!

    The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501–6506 (Pub.L. 105-277, 112 Stat. 2581-728, enacted October 21, 1998).

    The act, effective April 21, 2000, applies to the online collection of personal information by persons or entities under U.S. jurisdiction from children under 13 years of age. It details what a website operator must include in a privacy policy, when and how to seek verifiable consent from a parent or guardian, and what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online including restrictions on the marketing to those under 13. While children under 13 can legally give out personal information with their parents' permission, many websites altogether disallow underage children from using their services due to the amount of paperwork involved.
    The PRIMARY reason for the law is that they may give out personal info, or listen to the other party, and end up getting kidnapped or hurt in some way. Knowing where they are and where they frequent would be GREAT info forr some pervert that wants to harm them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bradley J Anderson
    For all the nay-sayers that think was a joke, this was just on my local news:

    Apple slammed over iPhone, iPad location tracking
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Brad armPitt View Post

      For all the nay-sayers that think was a joke, this was just on my local news:

      Apple slammed over iPhone, iPad location tracking

      I don't think that anyone thinks it's not real...the original article was about getting speeding tickets through your cell phone.

      Most people in this thread are well aware you can be tracked thru cell phones, Onstar...that's old news.

      Hell, LoJack (and probably Onstar) has been cooperating catching even small time fugitives for many years now in their own cars...I should know, I was in the can with a couple quite some time ago.

      Apple is being questioned because unlike other cell phone 'data collection' such as Android where they are collecting data supposedly anonymously,( which is being looked at closer) Apple is not anonymous and people want to know what they are doing with this info.

      Tracking is a normal part of owning a cellphone. What's done with that data, though, is where the controversy lies.
      A central question in this controversy is whether a smartphone should act merely as a conduit of location data to service providers and approved applications - or as a more active participant by storing the data itself, to make location-based applications run more smoothly or help better target mobile ads or any number of other uses.
      Location data is some of the most valuable information a mobile phone can provide, since it can tell advertisers not only where someone's been, but also where they might be going - and what they might be inclined to buy when they get there.
      Allan and Warden said the location coordinates and time stamps in the Apple devices aren't always exact, but appear in a file that typically contains about a year's worth of data that when taken together provide a detailed view of users' travels.
      "We're not sure why Apple is gathering this data, but it's clearly intentional, as the database is being restored across backups, and even device migrations," they wrote in a blog posting announcing the research.
      Apple has decidedly opened a can of worms...

      get it, apple...worms...

      tough crowd
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Sen. Al Franken To Hold Hearing On Secret iPhone Tracking:

    Story here...

    Sen. Al Franken To Hold Hearing On Secret iPhone Tracking | TPM Idea Lab
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