Scientists Create Material With Only 2 Dimensions!

15 years ago

This is fantastic. I heard of this before where this material can eventually be used to replace electronic circuits; for example in hand-held super computers, and for phones smaller than a coin.

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specialistk

15 years ago

Thats pretty nuts, didn't even think that it was possible.

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Mike Wright

15 years ago

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They report that free graphene is not perfectly flat but instead crumpled and this 'waviness' may be responsible for the unexpected stability of these extremely thin carbon membranes."

A sort of corrugated carbonboard ?????

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Wright

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They report that free graphene is not perfectly flat but instead crumpled and this 'waviness' may be responsible for the unexpected stability of these extremely thin carbon membranes."

A sort of corrugated carbonboard ?????

Just the thing for packing my groceries in.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Wright

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They report that free graphene is not perfectly flat but instead crumpled and this 'waviness' may be responsible for the unexpected stability of these extremely thin carbon membranes."

A sort of corrugated carbonboard ?????

Um....are you sure you aren't THAT Mike Wright?

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Mike Wright 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Um....are you sure you aren't THAT Mike Wright?

LOL Sal,
there can be only one
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- HeySal 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Wright
  
  LOL Sal,
  there can be only one
  My 315th wife has bought me a new
  sword for xmas ... the old one wore out
  
  Ah. See now....had I not been multi-dimensional, I'd not have caught the similarities.
  
  So exactly how flat does something have to be to be 2 dimensional? My first grade teacher was wrong - a sheet of paper doesn't cut it at all by these terms. Is being encompassed by the third with no observability of it qualify?
  
  That was nice of your sweetie to notice that nick in your blade that the cartilage in Tycho Brahe's nose left. Unfortunate you hadn't kept it sharper.
  
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Thomas Wilkinson

15 years ago

Why would I want a phone as small as a coin.
The one I have is lost half the time and even
when its not I have to get my glasses out to
see the numbers and my chubby little fingers
always misdial at least once.

Tom

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson

Why would I want a phone as small as a coin.
The one I have is lost half the time and even
when its not I have to get my glasses out to
see the numbers and my chubby little fingers
always misdial at least once.

Tom

It will be operated by voice commands. Unless you stutter, you won't have a problem. I forgot where I read about, it but it is being developed by ATT, and you wear it like a watch.

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artwebster

15 years ago

Never heard of the Mobius strip? That doesn't take a scientist to create.

Take a strip of material and make a loop with a single twist in it and make sure the ends are equally wide so there is no obvious junction.

This strip/loop has only one side and only one edge - and it can be as big as you like.

One side and one edge doesn't even qualify for 2D!!!

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Never heard of the Mobius strip?

One side and one edge doesn't even qualify for 2D!!!

A mobius strip has width, thickness (of the material) and length... THREE DIMENSIONS!

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artwebster

15 years ago

Sorry Thomas,

Since the mobius strip only has one side it cannot have thickness and since it is a loop, it has no measurable length - only an approximate circumference.

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Sorry Thomas,

Since the mobius strip only has one side it cannot have thickness and since it is a loop, it has no measurable length - only an approximate circumference.

The material from which is it constructed is X atoms thick.

That material is also X mm (or cm. or in. or whatever) from one side to the other.

And put a mark somewhere on it and keep going with your measuring tape until you arrive back at the mark. That's the length, which is twice the length of the material used to construct it.

See.

Elementary, my dear Arty.

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artwebster

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

The material from which is it constructed is X atoms thick.

That material is also X mm (or cm. or in. or whatever) from one side to the other.

And put a mark somewhere on it and keep going with your measuring tape until you arrive back at the mark. That's the length, which is twice the length of the material used to construct it.

See.

Elementary, my dear Arty.

You would think so, wouldn't you - HOWEVER - thickness is a measure of the distance between one side and another - since there is only one side this measure cannot be made.

Likewise, length is a measure between two finite points, not an approximation arrived at by arbitrary means. In theory the mobius strip is twice the length of the piece of material it is created from but, since it has no ends, it has no length and since the degree of twist is infinitely variable according to the stresses upon the strip, only an approximation of circumference can be made.

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

You would think so, wouldn't you - HOWEVER - thickness is a measure of the distance between one side and another - since there is only one side this measure cannot be made.

Likewise, length is a measure between two finite points, not an approximation arrived at by arbitrary means. In theory the mobius strip is twice the length of the piece of material it is created from but, since it has no ends, it has no length and since the degree of twist is infinitely variable according to the stresses upon the strip, only an approximation of circumference can be made.

Em... eh... eh...

Touché, I think...

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Ken Strong

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

The material from which is it constructed is X atoms thick.

That material is also X mm (or cm. or in. or whatever) from one side to the other.

Aha -- I've discovered the fatal flaw in your logic, my dear Mr. Thomas.

"X" is not a number (unless you're in Rome, which you're not), it is a letter. Therefore your entire equation is vull and noid.

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenStrong

Aha -- I've discovered the fatal flaw in your logic, my dear Mr. Thomas.

"X" is not a number (unless you're in Rome, which you're not), it is a letter. Therefore your entire equation is vull and noid.

Ahhhh... therein lies the confusion.

Thank you for clearing things up, my dear Mr. Ken.

Regards,
Mr. Thomas.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Am I the only one scared of Thomas? Seems he either gets some freaky, mad scientists newsletter or is part of some freaky, mad scientists club with all these weird science stories he comes out with. Next thing you know the government will be able to hear your thoughts. They can already see what's in your mind, now they just need to hear what you're thinking. Or can they do that already?

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Am I the only one scared of Thomas?

You should be, Valerie -- he has the ability to make himself three-dimensional at will.
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HeySal

15 years ago

He was quite right until he accidentally started up the flux capacitor while operating the shitweasel reactor. He's never been the same since he collected himselves from 5 alternate universes and recompressed into the Tommy we know right here. It's not the 2nd dimensional stuff that really tweaks him now - it's the cravings he gets for 10th dimensional brandy alexanders that his third universal self was getting addicted to that really make him crazy. It's real simple....as long as you keep him away from ice cream he's a pretty normal guy.

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Am I the only one scared of Thomas? Seems he either gets some freaky, mad scientists newsletter or is part of some freaky, mad scientists club with all these weird science stories he comes out with. Next thing you know the government will be able to hear your thoughts. They can already see what's in your mind, now they just need to hear what you're thinking. Or can they do that already?

You should be afraid: I have a lab.

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You should be, Valerie -- he has the ability to make himself three-dimensional at will.

I once tried 4D too. It wasn't pretty. I prefer to remain in my original 2D form. I even vistied Flatland for Christmas. It's nice there. Shame you can't kick a football around though.

Originally Posted by HeySal

He was quite right until he accidentally started up the flux capacitor while operating the shitweasel reactor. He's never been the same since he collected himselves from 5 alternate universes and recompressed into the Tommy we know right here. It's not the 2nd dimensional stuff that really tweaks him now - it's the cravings he gets for 10th dimensional brandy alexanders that his third universal self was getting addicted to that really make him crazy.

You swore you wouldn't tell. Expect blacksuited-goons at your door any moment!

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Thomas

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Expect blacksuited-goons at you door any moment!

Well... just as soon as they're back from their Christmas holidays, that is. Damn; the new "Minimum Employee Hoilday Entitlements" legistation here is really killing my ability to be a manacing shadowy figure who can strike fear into the hearts of those who cross him.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Well... just as soon as they're back from their Christmas holidays, that is. Damn; the new "Minimum Employee Hoilday Entitlements" legistation here is really killing my ability to be a manacing shadowy figure who can strike fear into the hearts of those who cross him.

Oh Good. You startled me -- I needed time to shave my legs and give myself a facial and manicure before they get here. Please don't send any more guys over without advance notice, Tommy. You are soooo wicked.

I didn't say I'd never tell anyone you messed up with the flux capacitor again -- I just promised not to tell what all of you did in the other dimensions. This snow thing is NOT funny though - you need to go back to that fifth dimensional lab of yours and fix that. Geesh.

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gareth

15 years ago

What I want is "full feild of vision" high resolution 3D glasses.

They would have to have a concave display screen

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

What I want is "full feild of vision" high resolution 3D glasses.

They would have to have a concave display screen

You've already got those, don't you? They're called "eyeballs."
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  Originally Posted by KenStrong
  
  You've already got those, don't you? They're called "eyeballs."
  
  You're getting a mean streak, too, eh Ken? I thought you would be a little more sensitive than to make fun of his stems. He can't help how he LOOKS you know.
  
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  You're getting a mean streak, too, eh Ken?
  
  Hey, you're the one who told Tommy to go flux himself.
  
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