Why can't people with handicapped tags park right?

by KimW
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Now first off, let me say I have handicapped tags.
But I CAN park my car properly.
But I swear a day doesn't go by that I don't see a car with handicapped tags parked like it was a 5 year old driving.
I see them taking two spaces.
I see them at 90 degree angles to the parking space.
I see them jumped on the curb.
I just don't get it.
If you can't park a vehicle properly, you shouldn't have a license.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by KimW View Post

    Now first off, let me say I have handicapped tags.
    But I CAN park my car properly.
    But I swear a day doesn't go by that I don't see a car with handicapped tags parked like it was a 5 year old driving.
    I see them taking two spaces.
    I see them at 90 degree angles to the parking space.
    I see them jumped on the curb.
    I just don't get it.
    If you can't park a vehicle properly, you shouldn't have a license.
    Rant Over.
    At Times I have been handicapped, like losing reliable use of an arm, or really any use of my legs. And it bugs me NO end that they don't provide for people like ME! I once went to a HOSPITAL! A HOSPITAL! Because I couldn't really walk AND, in my 30s, after hobbling who knows HOW long like an 8 year old crippled man, I asked a woman, and she said I would get towed, so I hobbled back, drove father away and walked farther. I was EXHAUSTED, IN PAIN, and didn't know if I would EVER walk again. I didn't even know if I would be ambulatory the next day anymore!

    Anyway, people ask if I am drunk etc... if I just park 3 degrees askew. I USUALLY park that way if some idiot blocks me, or I am in a hurry. I NEVER park at 90 degrees, or over the curb or take multiple spaces.

    Steve
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    That drives me crazy... my sister is handicapped and I often take her shopping or to the doctor. We try and park up close in the handicapped spots so she doesn't have to walk as far to the wheelchairs/electronic shopping carts only to see a van pull in and take the last 2 handicapped spots available. It blows me away that a handicapped person does not understand how valuable that extra space is to someone who needs it.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by AmandaT View Post

      That drives me crazy... my sister is handicapped and I often take her shopping or to the doctor. We try and park up close in the handicapped spots so she doesn't have to walk as far to the wheelchairs/electronic shopping carts only to see a van pull in and take the last 2 handicapped spots available. It blows me away that a handicapped person does not understand how valuable that extra space is to someone who needs it.
      MOST of the people I have seen park in handicapped spots are NOT openly handicapped. I'm actually SURPRISED when I see someone crippled driving, or EVEN as a PASSENGER! BTW I believe various places fine people OVER $250 for parking in handicapped spaces without the proper tag or registration, etc...

      As for large cars, most probably ARE large. I DID see one large van pull into a handicapped spot where the guy was LEGITIMATELY handicapped. The guy was paraplegic. Apparently,
      he even DROVE the van. The van had an automated lift for him and his chair. His little daughter helped out with some things. THAT is the type of person such places are for.

      YOU may not SEEM deserving, but I could see how you may be weak and, restricting water, etc... may be better off parking closer. But I have seen PLENTY capable people parking in those spaces. I have had maybe 4 periods, totaling maybe a YEAR, where I was LEGITIMATELY CRIPPLED! It was a pain, and difficult, even getting into the car. And if not for the fact that it may help recovery, and I have to do physical things, I wouldn't even want to WALK! And to think that **I** need special permission that would be VERY hard for me to get, and I can't park there, even at the HOSPITAL, when I need to, and someone that ISN'T crippled gets a free pass maybe for LIFE, REALLY makes me MAD!

      You know, they should have special places at the hospital JUST for people that have NO stickers but are really crippled. They could BOOT the cars and people that ARE handicapped can get a special permit to allow them to park as handicapped, for a limited time(Like maybe a month for me when I have the giant hematomas, or 3 months with the lumbar disks that are bulging, or lfe for Kim, etc...), and the boot would be removed so they could drive off. Others could simply pay $1000, or get their car towed. It would EVEN make life easier for people like your sister, or kim. Think of it! NO extra days of lost work. NO extra driving. And it will ALSO likely mean less fraud.

      Funny the SIMPLE things they can't seem to think of. I guess the motor Dept wants to hold control.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Steve, what really burns my a$$ is the "doctors" that will qualify 'non-disabled' folks who really don't require the spaces at all, the ability to park in the "handicapped/disabled parking" spots....about drives me nuts.

    Fine them all.... big time...they deserve to pay. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Steve, what really burns my a$$ is the "doctors" that will qualify 'non-disabled' folks who really don't require the spaces at all, the ability to park in the "handicapped/disabled parking" spots....about drives me nuts.

      Fine them all.... big time...they deserve to pay. :p
      Here in Florida it seems like every third person has a handicapped tag. A lot of cops are getting them for their personal cars. The more expensive a car you have, the easier they are to get. When I lost my leg I had to have a doctor sign a statement that it wasn't going to grow back. (No Joke)

      My pet peeve is Fedex Trucks and UPS trucks that think they have a special right to park in or block handicapped spots. THE POLICE WILL DO NOTHING EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. I grab the camera, get a couple of pictures, note the time and place and email it all to the company. (Fedex has now provided me a special email address that goes directly to a lady who can AND WILL take action.) The local manager actually called me and asked me to stop because she was getting yelled at every time one of her drivers did that. I did four the next week.

      I could write a real rant on this but I won't. The people who need to listen never will.

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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

        Here in Florida it seems like every third person has a handicapped tag. A lot of cops are getting them for their personal cars. The more expensive a car you have, the easier they are to get. When I lost my leg I had to have a doctor sign a statement that it wasn't going to grow back. (No Joke)

        My pet peeve is Fedex Trucks and UPS trucks that think they have a special right to park in or block handicapped spots. THE POLICE WILL DO NOTHING EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. I grab the camera, get a couple of pictures, note the time and place and email it all to the company. (Fedex has now provided me a special email address that goes directly to a lady who can AND WILL take action.) The local manager actually called me and asked me to stop because she was getting yelled at every time one of her drivers did that. I did four the next week.

        I could write a real rant on this but I won't. The people who need to listen never will.

        Thomas
        Thomas, I see too many people abusing this 'right' here in Canada...it makes me sick.

        I do not have tags myself, no reason to need them.....not yet anyways, yet so many here get away with 'illegal tags' of which they have no medical reason to require the tags. I blame the doctors as much as the patients, as it seems folks can just 'request' these tags without any just reason.


        Those dedicated parking spots are there for a reason. I would encourage everyone to consider the possibility that, that may be your parking spot one day....it just may be a matter of time.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

          Thomas, I see too many people abusing this 'right' here in Canada...it makes me sick.

          I do not have tags myself, no reason to need them.....not yet anyways, yet so many here get away with 'illegal tags' of which they have no medical reason to require the tags. I blame the doctors as much as the patients, as it seems folks can just 'request' these tags without any just reason.


          Those dedicated parking spots are there for a reason. I would encourage everyone to consider the possibility that, that may be your parking spot one day....it just may be a matter of time.
          With RA, you could have the SAME sort of problem I was speaking about with me! And it could come on ANY TIME! So it could make sense even if YOU had a handicapped tag. Of course, like with the problem I have, MOST of the time you would likely be OK. Of course that is the ONE sort of case where tags could be legitimately issued, and over used.

          The final thing has to be that person using the space as a last resort. MANY problems don't affect the person ALL the time and SOME, like mine, are pretty predictable. If I don't hurt my back, or have sudden impact on/near a joint, I will probably be ok.

          I once met a person with cerebral palsy that thought she was cured. Talk abut self delusion! But if she feels SO unaffected from the syndrome(or whatever CP is), should she park in a handicapped spot? Maybe NOT! If she did, she could at least be honest, and admit she had it. I knew she had it the moment I saw her move. And she ADMITTED she "HAD" it! The nerve damage just causes the ambulatory ones to move in a very distinct way.

          It makes my idea even MORE obvious though! YOU might be prescribed drugs/treatment for RA. Why not give the doctor the ability to prescribe a tag that some place could just give you?

          BTW the DMV in california, like Van nuys, is VERY bad! A HEALTHY person tires of the effort! So it should be the LAST place they should expect a physically handicapped person to go.

          Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
          Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

          Thomas, I see too many people abusing this 'right' here in Canada...it makes me sick.
          and here in Florida our worst abusers by far (and generally speaking) the worst drivers are the Quebecers that come down here in the winter. They always claim they don't know what that wheelchair symbol means because they speak French not English. I've taught a number of them some English words they never wanted to learn.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Steve, what really burns my a$$ is the "doctors" that will qualify 'non-disabled' folks who really don't require the spaces at all, the ability to park in the "handicapped/disabled parking" spots....about drives me nuts.

      Fine them all.... big time...they deserve to pay. :p
      The DMV in California is PROVEN CORRUPT! They probably are most other places. In california, it is actually AGAINST THE LAW t swear in front of them! NO KIDDING! I guess a LOT of people swear AT them! Doctors can't be any worse!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Kim,

    There are three things that get my defensive driving in overdrive.

    Anybody at 10 and 2 o'clock (like they teach, I know) on the wheel and pushed up to within 1/2 inch of the steering wheel.

    If I can't see their heads.

    And handicap plates.


    sorry to say but true
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Kim,

      There are three things that get my defensive driving in overdrive.

      Anybody at 10 and 2 o'clock (like they teach, I know) on the wheel and pushed up to within 1/2 inch of the steering wheel.

      If I can't see their heads.

      And handicap plates.


      sorry to say but true
      As an former Las Vegas cab driver, #1 on my list was seeing a driver with a Cali license plate in any kind of bad weather.

      Here in Colorado, it's seeing a pickup truck with a rifle rack in the back window pulling into the drive through window at the liquor store.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        As an former Las Vegas cab driver, #1 on my list was seeing a driver with a Cali license plate in any kind of bad weather.

        Here in Colorado, it's seeing a pickup truck with a rifle rack in the back window pulling into the drive through window at the liquor store.

        Ain't that the truth. Any little sprinkle here and crashes abound.

        You'd think people would get used to the first rain or sprinkle being the most dangerous (for the oil coming up)... never happens.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          Ain't that the truth. Any little sprinkle here and crashes abound.

          You'd think people would get used to the first rain or sprinkle being the most dangerous (for the oil coming up)... never happens.
          This is something some people back east really don't understand. The slickest roads I've driven are in Las Vegas (not Colorado) just after a little rain.


          For anyone that's not familiar, in the SW USA where it doesn't rain that often, motor oil collects in the cracks of the pavement because it isn't washed away very often...So more and more of it collects. Then just a little rain and the oil rises to the top and the roads become oil slicks.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            This is something some people back east really don't understand. The slickest roads I've driven are in Las Vegas (not Colorado) just after a little rain.


            For anyone that's not familiar, in the SW USA where it doesn't rain that often, motor oil collects in the cracks of the pavement because it isn't washed away very often...So more and more of it collects. Then just a little rain and the oil rises to the top and the roads become oil slicks
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            Kurt I learned about that real quick when I moved to Fl.
            Pulled up to a stop light after a rain, put my feet down and ended up doing a split with my bike laying on the ground between my legs
            It happens here in NY on occasion. The worst roads are the ones that get a lot of truck traffic, you can see the black strip going down the middle of the lane.

            Kim. it ain't just the handicapped that park like crap.
            I was told I could get handicap plates when I was on disability. I declined seeing how walking was the best exercise I could do.
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            • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post


              Kim. it ain't just the handicapped that park like crap.
              I was told I could get handicap plates when I was on disability. I declined seeing how walking was the best exercise I could do.
              I know I'm going to get flamed badly for this but people who get handicapped
              tags for no other reason than being 200lbs over weight should have a special
              tag that restricts them from parking within two blocks of anything. If I can walk
              two miles almost everyday on an artificial leg they can walk an extra 50 feet to
              their next buffet line.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

                I know I'm going to get flamed badly for this but people who get handicapped
                tags for no other reason than being 200lbs over weight should have a special
                tag that restricts them from parking within two blocks of anything. If I can walk
                two miles almost everyday on an artificial leg they can walk an extra 50 feet to
                their next buffet line.
                Won't get flamed by me on that
                In fact I agree 100%
                But then you're talking to someone who has always parked at the back of the parking lot and who takes the stairs instead of the elevator whenever possible no matter how many flights up I have to go.
                Heck before I had back surgery I was dealing with degenerative disk disease and spinal stenosis. Walking would bring tears to my eyes, but I knew in the long run it was good to do so I still parked in the rear of lots.

                What I find funny is for some of the people who park in handicap parking so the don't have to walk far. But the reality is if they did walk more it would fix the problem they have that they say prevents them from walking:confused:
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                Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

                I know I'm going to get flamed badly for this but people who get handicapped
                tags for no other reason than being 200lbs over weight should have a special
                tag that restricts them from parking within two blocks of anything. If I can walk
                two miles almost everyday on an artificial leg they can walk an extra 50 feet to
                their next buffet line.
                Thankfully, I am not THAT overweight, and I am trying to lose weight now. I lost almost 10 pounds in the last week and, according to a electro-myograph, or whatever you want to call it, it looks like it was almost 100% FAT. But I often ate 2 relatively small meals a day. I didn't really eat all that much. If I had my way, I would NEVER eat. and I don't even have an illness.

                SO, while some DO eat a LOT, etc... not all do. And I once had a coworker that was probably MORE overweight than I am, considering that she was female and shorter, and she had a BAD case of RA!

                As for you and your artificial leg? I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with that. I wish you the best. Of course, in keeping with what YOU said, I could say "Did you just eat too much sugar?" A number of diabetics lose their legs because of that, you know...

                Just saying....

                OK, consider THAT your flame. 8-)

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                • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  As for you and your artificial leg? I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with that. I wish you the best. Of course, in keeping with what YOU said, I could say "Did you just eat too much sugar?" A number of diabetics lose their legs because of that, you know...
                  Just saying....
                  OK, consider THAT your flame. 8-)
                  Steve
                  OK, once I'll talk about this in the forum. No, I'm not a diabetic. I won the lottery and contracted a cancer that was so rare the specialist had to look up the correct spelling. By sheer luck another Dr. at Rochester had come up with an effective treatment just few months before. I've always been lucky like that.

                  As for as my health. I only weigh a few pounds more now than I did when I graduated High School in 1964. (Yep, I'm really old). When I was in college I paid for some of my tuition by participating in illegal offstreet flight clubs where I broke my hands several times (16/5). I now suffer from arthritis in both hands which is how I come to use Dragon Naturally Speaking for most typing jobs and why my posts get so wordy. Other than that, my doctor tells me I am in amazing health for a guy a few months shy of his 65th birthday.

                  Concerning the leg. "Bubba III" (the new one) can properly be described as a first-class nuisance. However, it has certainly not been the curse many people seem to think it is. In fact, I often make an argument that it has been a blessing on my life. If the "leg fairy" floated down from wherever and offered to give back my natural leg on the condition that I give back all that I have learned about life, about people, and mostly about myself, I would chase her away. Sometimes, life's blessings are where you find them.

                  Steve, Don't worry about it. I'm not exactly known around here (or another forum) as a warm and fuzzy individual. In fact, I'm rather abrupt and have a tendency to call them like I see them. I also have short patience for abject stupidity. In my stock trading forum I can get flamed worse than that for saying good morning!

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                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

                    OK, once I'll talk about this in the forum. No, I'm not a diabetic. I won the lottery and contracted a cancer that was so rare the specialist had to look up the correct spelling. By sheer luck another Dr. at Rochester had come up with an effective treatment just few months before. I've always been lucky like that.

                    As for as my health. I only weigh a few pounds more now than I did when I graduated High School in 1964. (Yep, I'm really old). When I was in college I paid for some of my tuition by participating in illegal offstreet flight clubs where I broke my hands several times (16/5). I now suffer from arthritis in both hands which is how I come to use Dragon Naturally Speaking for most typing jobs and why my posts get so wordy. Other than that, my doctor tells me I am in amazing health for a guy a few months shy of his 65th birthday.

                    Concerning the leg. "Bubba III" (the new one) can properly be described as a first-class nuisance. However, it has certainly not been the curse many people seem to think it is. In fact, I often make an argument that it has been a blessing on my life. If the "leg fairy" floated down from wherever and offered to give back my natural leg on the condition that I give back all that I have learned about life, about people, and mostly about myself, I would chase her away. Sometimes, life's blessings are where you find them.

                    Steve, Don't worry about it. I'm not exactly known around here (or another forum) as a warm and fuzzy individual. In fact, I'm rather abrupt and have a tendency to call them like I see them. I also have short patience for abject stupidity. In my stock trading forum I can get flamed worse than that for saying good morning!

                    Thomas
                    Hopefully you realize the ONLY reason I brought the leg up like that is because there are a few reasons why you could have the problem, like someone with a weight problem.

                    As for your being abrupt, etc... Ask anyone here! I am the SAME way.

                    Steve
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      I now suffer from arthritis in both hands
                      From one Thom to another Tom, I have something that can help that.
                      I had arthritis in both hands, my knee, and my back.
                      I discovered that vinegar has been used to treat arthritis for hundreds of years.
                      What I did was make a drink called switzle. What you do is dissolve 2 tablespoons of honey in 4 oz. of hot water, add 12 oz. of cold water and then 2 tablespoons of organic Apple Cider Vinegar (I use Bragg's). Drink two glasses of that a day. It took about a week before I started seeing results and now it's been almost two years I've been pain free from the arthritis. I haven't drank the switzle in about a year and a half now.
                      Amazing stuff vinegar is.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                        From one Thom to another Tom, I have something that can help that.
                        I had arthritis in both hands, my knee, and my back.
                        I discovered that vinegar has been used to treat arthritis for hundreds of years.
                        What I did was make a drink called switzle. What you do is dissolve 2 tablespoons of honey in 4 oz. of hot water, add 12 oz. of cold water and then 2 tablespoons of organic Apple Cider Vinegar (I use Bragg's). Drink two glasses of that a day. It took about a week before I started seeing results and now it's been almost two years I've been pain free from the arthritis. I haven't drank the switzle in about a year and a half now.
                        Amazing stuff vinegar is.

                        Thanks Thom I'm going to give that a shot too.

                        A lot of joint problems lately.


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                        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                          To Tom and Jim, just remember to add the cold water before you add the vinegar. If you add the vinegar to the hot water it will evaporate.
                          When I discovered it the arthritis in my hands was obscene. It was in the joint at the base of both my thumbs. Many days I needed to use both hands to pick up a coffee cup. Now I still have a bump at each joint, but I'm pain free and don't have any restricted movement at all.
                          My knee still gives me some issues, but now it will just ache when a cold front moves in. Considering I don't have a lining in that knee and am missing part of the socket I don't think a little ache now and then is to bad. Better then having to wear a brace and walk with a cane like I would sometimes have to do before I learned about switzle and how freakin good vinegar is for you.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                            To Tom and Jim, just remember to add the cold water before you add the vinegar. If you add the vinegar to the hot water it will evaporate.
                            When I discovered it the arthritis in my hands was obscene. It was in the joint at the base of both my thumbs. Many days I needed to use both hands to pick up a coffee cup. Now I still have a bump at each joint, but I'm pain free and don't have any restricted movement at all.
                            My knee still gives me some issues, but now it will just ache when a cold front moves in. Considering I don't have a lining in that knee and am missing part of the socket I don't think a little ache now and then is to bad. Better then having to wear a brace and walk with a cane like I would sometimes have to do before I learned about switzle and how freakin good vinegar is for you.


                            Well I'll tell ya Thom, if it works for me.

                            I'll drive to NY an K.Y.S.M.A....

                            I don't know if it's arthritis yet though.

                            Takes quite awhile to get in for a non emergency physical at my local VA clinic.

                            I have everyone else covered with Kaiser...can't afford it for me because of the different ways they are covered. In other words no family type plan.

                            VA is free for me, but with 'drawbacks'

                            The more holistic type stuff I can do, the better.
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                • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
                  A lot of people with severe RA are on cortisone which causes weight gain and can even lead to type 2 diabetes.

                  Not to mention that when you have a flare-up of RA, it can severely limit your ability to exercise.




                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  Thankfully, I am not THAT overweight, and I am trying to lose weight now. I lost almost 10 pounds in the last week and, according to a electro-myograph, or whatever you want to call it, it looks like it was almost 100% FAT. But I often ate 2 relatively small meals a day. I didn't really eat all that much. If I had my way, I would NEVER eat. and I don't even have an illness.

                  SO, while some DO eat a LOT, etc... not all do. And I once had a coworker that was probably MORE overweight than I am, considering that she was female and shorter, and she had a BAD case of RA!

                  As for you and your artificial leg? I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with that. I wish you the best. Of course, in keeping with what YOU said, I could say "Did you just eat too much sugar?" A number of diabetics lose their legs because of that, you know...

                  Just saying....

                  OK, consider THAT your flame. 8-)

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              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Kurt I learned about that real quick when I moved to Fl.
              Pulled up to a stop light after a rain, put my feet down and ended up doing a split with my bike laying on the ground between my legs
              It happens here in NY on occasion. The worst roads are the ones that get a lot of truck traffic, you can see the black strip going down the middle of the lane.

              Kim. it ain't just the handicapped that park like crap.
              I was told I could get handicap plates when I was on disability. I declined seeing how walking was the best exercise I could do.
              Hey Thom...

              Think about Las Vegas, were often it may not rain for 3-6 months at a time.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Hey Thom...

                Think about Las Vegas, were often it may not rain for 3-6 months at a time.
                No thanks, I have enough to think about with the roads around here
                This time of year it's trying to dodge potholes.
                Doesn't sound bad, but go through a turn at 60 on 2 wheels and see a big pothole in the middle of your line
                I don't know if they do this out west, but back here they tar the cracks in the pavement.
                Nothing like hitting a tarred crack in a turn on a hot summers day.
                Heck even on straight roads those tar cracks will cause a little tire slippage.
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                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  No thanks, I have enough to think about with the roads around here
                  This time of year it's trying to dodge potholes.
                  Doesn't sound bad, but go through a turn at 60 on 2 wheels and see a big pothole in the middle of your line
                  I don't know if they do this out west, but back here they tar the cracks in the pavement.
                  Nothing like hitting a tarred crack in a turn on a hot summers day.
                  Heck even on straight roads those tar cracks will cause a little tire slippage.
                  MAN, you have an ODD living room! 8-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    MAN, you have an ODD living room! 8-)
                    If you only knew Steve, if you only knew:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    When I was first diagnosed ,even though I was so sick I had to shut my business down,my dr said I wasn't sick enough to be classified as handicapped. I think she liked the power she held over people. By not qualifying me as handicapped,she delayed my ability to get my disability checks for several months which contributed to a lot of the financial problems in the long run.
    Of course,that was what finally made me mad enough to change Drs. The dr I went to was in the same practice though,and I thought he was the best one there,but a couple of months ago I went to my monthly meeting and the nurse told me my regular dr had left the practice suddenly and I had a new dr.
    Yep,they have assigned me back to the orginal one I didn't care for.
    Now I'm in a quandry, stay where I am at or switch again.
    Anyway,back on topic, I agree, hefty fines for anyone that takes a space that shouldn't. (As long as they park right! )
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      When I was fist diagnosed
      I bet that was painful.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Kim,

        There are three things that get my defensive driving in overdrive.

        Anybody at 10 and 2 o'clock (like they teach, I know) on the wheel and pushed up to within 1/2 inch of the steering wheel.

        If I can't see their heads.

        And handicap plates.


        sorry to say but true
        Hey, I think you are just agreeing with my point. Having handicap plates is NOT a license to drive (or park) crappy!

        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I bet that was painful.
        Why is it typos like that are always found and quoted before I go back and correct them??
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    My other and I get in arguments about the handicap sticker all of the time. She tends to use the handicapped spaces all of the time even though the sticker is for my 11 year old sister. (She has cerebral palsy and has a tough time walking long distances or using stairs.) I try and point out to her out upset she is when she can't find a spot when we are driving Tasha places and she doesn't seem to get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "Those dedicated parking spots are there for a reason. I would encourage everyone to consider the possibility that, that may be your parking spot one day....it just may be a matter of time."

    Got to agree. I never thought I would have handicap tags,but I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by KimW View Post

    Why can't people with handicapped tags park right?
    Sometimes I think the nature of their handicap is such that it's pretty difficult for them to reverse.

    And when it comes to backing into a space, even if they can actually manage it (if they really have to), pain and/or immobility can often be a reason for them to try to do it forward instead, quite often with the result that they end up leaving the vehicle at an abnormal angle.

    Not ideal, clearly, but one tolerates it.

    Originally Posted by KimW View Post

    If you can't park a vehicle properly, you shouldn't have a license.
    These things vary from country to country. That sounds a little on the harsh side, to me. My grandmother can't necessarily park a vehicle properly, if it's a really tight space, but then again she almost never has to.

    It would clearly be quite draconian and entirely undesirable to take away her license, though, as she's a completely safe, alert and very considerate driver, other than very occasional parking limitations brought about by her slight physical disability.

    Like many people in such circumstances, she's particularly dependent on being able to drive.

    Like so many things, it depends on one's perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "Like so many things, it depends on one's perspective."
    Alexa, this is so true. But I guess I feel a lot of people don't need that explained.
    If one really can't park properly then of course it doesn't bother me. If I see a van taking two handicap spaces and the driver has to have the 2nd spcae for his chair lift to work, do you think I'm complaining? Not at all.

    As far as:"If you can't park a vehicle properly, you shouldn't have a license."
    That can go both ways. Reality is that parking a car properly in many places is just as much a part of the test one takes to get a license,at least here in the states it is. I can't speak for other countrys,so technically it is correct that if they can't park they shouldn't have a license,but in the broader sense if their disability means they are a little askew when they park then thats fine.
    By the examples I gave I thought it would be obvious that the ones I was commenting on were ones that to me were just too careless and thoughtless to do it properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I hear you, Kim ... thanks for your reply.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      the ones I was commenting on were ones that to me were just too careless and thoughtless to do it properly.
      I know; I know ... I don't altogether disagree with you, anyway: I was kind of offering the observation that you can't tell this, though, just from seeing how they park. Sorry.
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      • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
        I've seen quite a few people with handicap tag's... that not sure if they should have it vs someone more needy. "Handicap" people getting out of cars and trucks no problem, and walking normally and damn near in a sprint like their in a rush lol. Saw a guy get out of a lifted F-250, and didn't have a problem stepping on the running boards and jumping 1-2ft to the ground.... and he had a handicap sticker.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

          I've seen quite a few people with handicap tag's... that not sure if they should have it vs someone more needy. "Handicap" people getting out of cars and trucks no problem, and walking normally and damn near in a sprint like their in a rush lol. Saw a guy get out of a lifted F-250, and didn't have a problem stepping on the running boards and jumping 1-2ft to the ground.... and he had a handicap sticker.
          YEAH, that is what gets me! HECK, my MOTHER had a handicapped sticker, and SHE was fine in that way. The handicap she has NOW is one that should prevent her from driving! Right now, she has no car, possibly no license, and is basically kept in a small area.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "Like so many things, it depends on one's perspective."
      Alexa, this is so true. But I guess I feel a lot of people don't need that explained.
      If one really can't park properly then of course it doesn't bother me. If I see a van taking two handicap spaces and the driver has to have the 2nd spcae for his chair lift to work, do you think I'm complaining? Not at all.

      As far as:"If you can't park a vehicle properly, you shouldn't have a license."
      That can go both ways. Reality is that parking a car properly in many places is just as much a part of the test one takes to get a license,at least here in the states it is. I can't speak for other countrys,so technically it is correct that if they can't park they shouldn't have a license,but in the broader sense if their disability means they are a little askew when they park then thats fine.
      By the examples I gave I thought it would be obvious that the ones I was commenting on were ones that to me were just too careless and thoughtless to do it properly.
      YEAH, I was SCARED about the parallel park part of the test. I can't do it, it is DUMB, and I NEVER had to do it. Luckily they slipped up and didn't test me on that!

      BTW it is stupid because you KNOW inconsiderate IDIOTS will park too close to you and lock you in. THEY THEMSELVES then run the risk of getting locked in. HECK, I parked in my parking space at my last apartment, and some idiot broke the law and parked on PRIVATE land in MY parking space, BEHIND me, and locked me in. I generally parked in the last space, but I had people over. And HERE, at my own home, people BREAK THE LAW and park too close to, and even into my driveway. I swear, some day I may hit them, take a few pictures, and tell them that if they even breath a word about it that they will not only have to pay for it, but get a parking ticket, and maybe get charged with trespassing.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Thomas, you fit right in with us then.

    I have a friend that is in his late 30s ( I think,not 100% sure,but doing the math makes me think this.) I don't remember the details, but this I do know. He saves a womans life that was caught in a burning apartment building some years ago. He got burned very badly and lost a leg.He rarely complains about anything, and is always asking me how I am doing. He is one of the reasons I continue to try to keep a good attitude about my situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    I've been doing honey, tea and vinegar for a long while now. It does work. I found that in a 1948 home remedy book. I'll try your recipe. Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I need a condensed version because if I follow that recipe right thats 18-20 ozs of fluid which is pretty much more fluid than I can intake a day.

    I saw a book on how healthy apple cider was at my local BJs a few weeks back but looking at it in more detailed it was more an advertising for a husband and wife team.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I need a condensed version because if I follow that recipe right thats 18-20 ozs of fluid which is pretty much more fluid than I can intake a day.

      I saw a book on how healthy apple cider was at my local BJs a few weeks back but looking at it in more detailed it was more an advertising for a husband and wife team.
      Kim you can cut back on the water. It's more for cutting the taste of the vinegar then anything else.
      Before I found out about switzle, which was here in the OT by the way
      I was drinking 2 tablespoons of vinegar in 8 oz. of water. Tasted terrible, but no ill effects.
      Here save your money. This site has great info on vinegar cures and treatments. The whole site is rather excellent I think.
      Apple Cider Vinegar Cures

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        I just read that page for the first time in a long time.
        Time to go back to adding the vinegar to all the water I drink every day
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Kim you can cut back on the water. It's more for cutting the taste of the vinegar then anything else.
        Before I found out about switzle, which was here in the OT by the way
        I was drinking 2 tablespoons of vinegar in 8 oz. of water. Tasted terrible, but no ill effects.
        Here save your money. This site has great info on vinegar cures and treatments. The whole site is rather excellent I think.
        Apple Cider Vinegar Cures

        Jim, just buy me a nice steak dinner. Then eat it for me

        Whew, thanks for the out....lol
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