The Good Side of Cigarette Smoking

g4r3th

13 years ago

Basically don't smoke.

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Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago

I was going to get ready to blast you for your subject line as there is no good
side to smoking. Then I read your post.

Well done. I couldn't have said it better.
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HeySal

13 years ago

I wonder what the 60% of Americans with lung cancer who never smoked would say about it?

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I wonder what the 60% of Americans with lung cancer who never smoked would say about it?

That doesn't tell the full story, does it Sal?

The question is at WHAT AGE does each group get it on average.

So, if smokers get it at 50, but others get it at 80...it's because the non-smokers live longer and therefore have a higher cumulative chance of getting something.

That being said, smoking is only ONE cause of lung cancer, but why not eliminate as many CONTROLABLE factors as you can? For example, quit smoking and test for radon (and respond accordingly).

As for the article...it makes a point, but it will only serve to make smokers mad. So I don't really see the point. If you want to encourage them to quit, then I think your approach will only strengthen their resolve in the opposite direction.

I used to smoke, so I see both sides to the issue.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I wonder what the 60% of Americans with lung cancer who never smoked would say about it?

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

That doesn't tell the full story, does it Sal?

Here's a little more to the story...If the other 40% are smokers, and smokers make up 20% of the general population, this means that smokers are twice as likely to die from lung cancer.

40/20 = 2

I'm not anti-smoker either and think all the anti-smoker laws are BS. IMO, just require a sign that warns people it's a "smoking" bar or restaurant, then let people make up their own minds. However, the facts do indicate that smokers are more likely to die from lung cancer.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Here's a little more to the story...If the other 40% are smokers, and smokers make up 20% of the general population, this means that smokers are twice as likely to die from lung cancer.

40/20 = 2

I'm not anti-smoker either and think all the anti-smoker laws are BS. IMO, just require a sign that warns people it's a "smoking" bar or restaurant, then let people make up their own minds. However, the facts do indicate that smokers are more likely to die from lung cancer.

It would be NICE if they enforced the CURRENT laws! Last I knew, California had a law that said that any person smoking in a restaurant would get a $1000 fine PER INCIDENT! Any owner of an establishment allowing that would get a $5000 fine per incident. I don't think I EVER heard of ANYONE getting the fine, though many should have. Many restaurants opened a bar, or broke down the separation between the two so they could use a LOOPHOLE that said it was OK to smoke if it was a bar.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

It would be NICE if they enforced the CURRENT laws! Last I knew, California had a law that said that any person smoking in a restaurant would get a $1000 fine PER INCIDENT! Any owner of an establishment allowing that would get a $5000 fine per incident. I don't think I EVER heard of ANYONE getting the fine, though many should have. Many restaurants opened a bar, or broke down the separation between the two so they could use a LOOPHOLE that said it was OK to smoke if it was a bar.

Steve

No, those current laws are what I refered to earlier as "BS laws". The law should be that the owner has to post a sign on the front door "warning" that this is a "smoking allowed" place and let people choose if they want to enter/work there, or not.

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I wonder what the 60% of Americans with lung cancer who never smoked would say about it?

You DO realize, that at least in America, and probably all of europe, etc... It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to not take in cigarette smoke. I can't STAND the stuff. It makes me light headed, gives me a headache, my lungs end up stinking, etc.... I generally hold my breath if I am within 30 feet of a smoker. Sometimes I end up GASPING for air, like a fish out of water. In some areas there is an ordinance NOT to smoke within 500 feet of a building.

I was at a customer once that had SIGNS to that effect on its entrances. I was at a hotel that did NOT allow smokers AND had signs to that effect. Smokers may STILL be right next to the door!

I have tried for almost 50 years to avoid that garbage and don't know if I succeeded in ANY year. 20 years or so ago, it was FAR worse!

So if someone tells you they have lung cancer and "never smoked before" technically there is a nearly 100% chance that they are LYING!!!!!!!

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Henry White 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I wonder what the 60% of Americans with lung cancer who never smoked would say about it?

Much of this is junk science; there is no consistent cause and effect that anyone has determined even 90% accurate, implying that there must be multiple factors involved. Those "inconvenient truths" always get in the way a cut-and-dry narrative, don't they?
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  If smokers are careful to blow the smoke the other way and not towards me, then that's alright. I believe we should respect each other and accept each other's choices even if we don't agree with them.
  
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13 years ago

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

There is actually a positive and that is the intake of nicotine. It has been shown to prevent brain damage. They did studies of heroin addicts that took nicotine and those that didn't and the ones with the nicotine intake had markedly less brain damaging effects of the heroin. In addition, the main effect that will affect all of the people that smoke and I find interesting is that nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. That's right. It will enhance your cognition temporarily during and after absorption of the nicotine for a short amount of time. It's not permanent, so before you go and buy several cartons, remember that it does lead to lung cancer in some cases and heart disease and artery problems. But if you are smoking, take heed that you are just a bit more cognitive during the smoke. I guess that's why I always felt more comfortable having discussions while smoking.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

There was a study that suggested that smoking does reduce a nations overall health costs since people dying early would, on average, reduce health expenditures associated with a long life.

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John Durham

13 years ago

To echo Sal, I have had two aunts die of cancer at young ages who were virtual Saints, and would never dream of a cigerette.

I think spreading fear is more harmful personally... fear and anxiety will kill you faster than smoking.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

To echo Sal, I have had two aunts die of cancer at young ages who were virtual Saints, and would never dream of a cigerette.

I think spreading fear is more harmful personally... fear and anxiety will kill you faster than smoking.

I agree with you on the fear and anxiety.

I'd like to add that my dad smoked and inhaled 10-15 cigars a day for decades and died in his 80's of kidney failure. Never had cancer or any problems directly related to smoking. A lot of people smoke and don't get cancer.

I used to smoke but quit about 30 years ago.

What I don't like are the self-righteous anti-smoking zealots who think it's their duty to go around preaching at everyone. There are way too many people who think it their business to tell others how to live. Pfft.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I agree with you on the fear and anxiety.

I'd like to add that my dad smoked and inhaled 10-15 cigars a day for decades and died in his 80's of kidney failure. Never had cancer or any problems directly related to smoking. A lot of people smoke and don't get cancer.

I used to smoke but quit about 30 years ago.

What I don't like are the self-righteous anti-smoking zealots who think it's their duty to go around preaching at everyone. There are way too many people who think it their business to tell others how to live. Pfft.

Couldn't agree more Dennis, unfortunately it's happening a lot and not just restricted to smoking.

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Dennis Gaskill 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Couldn't agree more Dennis, unfortunately it's happening a lot and not just restricted to smoking.

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You said it, and I'm fed up with all of it. My little mini-rant was against all the self-appointed little dictators. Freedom rocks!
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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I agree with you on the fear and anxiety.

I'd like to add that my dad smoked and inhaled 10-15 cigars a day for decades and died in his 80's of kidney failure. Never had cancer or any problems directly related to smoking. A lot of people smoke and don't get cancer.

I used to smoke but quit about 30 years ago.

What I don't like are the self-righteous anti-smoking zealots who think it's their duty to go around preaching at everyone. There are way too many people who think it their business to tell others how to live. Pfft.

You have that WRONG! They aren't telling YOU how to live. You can smoke in private, or away from the public, etc... ******YOU****** are telling THEM how to live! They are THERE, and YOU are subjecting them to the smoke! Can they shoot you? I mean it is just a little bullet. WHO CARES! WHO CARES how fast it goes! The ONLY reason it is against the law is because people are afraid and that happens ONLY because it is in the public. If they did it privately, NO DANGER!

MAN, all these people talk about ****SMOKE****, and do it in front of people, and IGNORE IT! Do you think *****ANYONE***** cares if you smoke? They DON'T!!!! HECK, smoke 100 packs a day for a year, I don't care! When they ask you not to smoke, it is NOT because they care if you smoke! It is because THEY don't want to deal with the smoke!

I and my mother once went to a hotel with my aunt and uncle. My mother walked into a room, came out, and asked to trade keys with my aunt and uncle. You know why!?!?!? Because a smoker smoked heavily in that room, and it STUNK of stale smoke. My aunt and uncle were smokers, so it was less of a concern for them.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

You have that WRONG! They aren't telling YOU how to live. You can smoke in private, or away from the public, etc... ******YOU****** are telling THEM how to live! They are THERE, and YOU are subjecting them to the smoke! Can they shoot you? I mean it is just a little bullet. WHO CARES! WHO CARES how fast it goes! The ONLY reason it is against the law is because people are afraid and that happens ONLY because it is in the public. If they did it privately, NO DANGER!

MAN, all these people talk about ****SMOKE****, and do it in front of people, and IGNORE IT! Do you think *****ANYONE***** cares if you smoke? They DON'T!!!! HECK, smoke 100 packs a day for a year, I don't care! When they ask you not to smoke, it is NOT because they care if you smoke! It is because THEY don't want to deal with the smoke!

I and my mother once went to a hotel with my aunt and uncle. My mother walked into a room, came out, and asked to trade keys with my aunt and uncle. You know why!?!?!? Because a smoker smoked heavily in that room, and it STUNK of stale smoke. My aunt and uncle were smokers, so it was less of a concern for them.

Steve

No Steve, I don't have it wrong. We're talking about two different situations. There are many who would simply make tobacco illegal. Along with other things, like food they don't approve of, SUV's, and many other things that might surprise you. They are out there. Some in positions of power.

There are lots of people who want to tell others how to live. The OP is one of them, albeit he's doing so through a psychological literary device rather than directly.

Of all the people on this forum, you would be the one who I would have thought would have been up on just how far some people would go in their attempt to take away our freedoms.

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That barely touches the surface of what's going on in the open, let alone what's going on under the radar. Will you keep giving up your freedoms until there are none left?

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

There are lots of people who want to tell others how to live. The OP is one of them, albeit he's doing so through a psychological literary device rather than directly.

I completely agree with you, Dennis. That was clearly the underlying motivation of the OP.

I thought you were generally opposed to restrictions on freedom, Steve? I was quite surprised to see which side of the discussion you're apparently on, here.

I have no horse in this race anyway ... I'm - literally - "just saying". :p

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

You have that WRONG! They aren't telling YOU how to live. You can smoke in private, or away from the public, etc... ******YOU****** are telling THEM how to live! They are THERE, and YOU are subjecting them to the smoke! Can they shoot you? I mean it is just a little bullet. WHO CARES! WHO CARES how fast it goes! The ONLY reason it is against the law is because people are afraid and that happens ONLY because it is in the public. If they did it privately, NO DANGER!

A restaurant or bar IS private property. *****YOU***** are telling the owner of private property that they can't allow something that is legal to do.

You are pretending that you should have rights to tell PROPERTY OWNERS what they can do and allow on their own PRIVATE PROPERTY.

***YOU*** are also mistaking your PRIVELEDGE to visit a restaurant or bar with a ****RIGHT****.

Here's your only RIGHT IMO: If a restaurant allows smoking and you don't like smoke, don't go the the restaurant. In reality, it's the vocal minority anti-smoke lobby that are taking away the rights of the business owners, IMO.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

A restaurant or bar IS private property. *****YOU***** are telling the owner of private property that they can't allow something that is legal to do.

You are pretending that you should have rights to tell PROPERTY OWNERS what they can do and allow on their own PRIVATE PROPERTY.

***YOU*** are also mistaking your PRIVELEDGE to visit a restaurant or bar with a ****RIGHT****.

Here's your only RIGHT IMO: If a restaurant allows smoking and you don't like smoke, don't go the the restaurant. In reality, it's the vocal minority anti-smoke lobby that are taking away the rights of the business owners, IMO.

It may be privately owned, but is publicly run. Yeah, the distinction may be hard to grasp, but it isn't like ones home. There are LOTS of laws that govern a publicly run place that don't even MENTION private! Business laws, health code laws, various requirements, etc... At my house, for example, no handicapped access AT ALL! I once spoke to a pastor at a CHURCH! A CHURCH! The government told him his parking lot had to handle so many cars, and so many had to be HANDICAPPED! He found THAT a difficult task! PRIVATE bible studies NEVER have to worry about such things!

BTW I once had a friend that had this business. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he wanted to do, but it was HIGH PRICED, ETC. I don't know if he had a SINGLE customer. The government told him that he couldn't do ANYTHING until he had ********FULL******** handicapped access. He had to widen the doors, and enlarge the restrooms for wheelchairs. Somehow that explanation doesn't convey how hard it was, but think about it. WALLS had to come down! And it was a NEW office building. He moved in right after they finished them.

How do you figure the "antismoking" are a minority? FUNNY, I heard they constituted the MAJORITY! Even in Germany, Switzerland, and Denmark, there aren't as many smokers. My MOTHER quit LONG ago. HECK, my FATHER quit LONG ago!

Smoking affects LOTS of things! As for your statement about the sign warning non smokers? If they put that in ads, etc... I would settle for THAT! They would NEVER do it though. They would likely be forced out of business, because of marketing pressures.

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lovepriya

13 years ago

don't smoke.

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Shilpa

13 years ago

I don't think there is any positive side of cigarette smoking.

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KateHunter

13 years ago

Dont worry, a few more nuclear power plant meltdowns and everybody will get a good chance at cancer.

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woodyear99

13 years ago

While there isn't a positive health benefit to smoking the sad part about all this is that you can get cancer from a variety of other sources. Take for example junk food, we all remember the movie Super Size Me :s

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awarum

13 years ago

If people want to smoke, let them smoke. We already have millions of people in prison b/c of possession of marijuana.

Cheeseburgers are bad for your health too. Drinking too many sugary drinks (soda) can lead to health problems. Not exercising daily is bad for you too. Sitting in front of computer all day trying to make money is bad for you.

I guess education is one thing as long you are not going around telling people what to do or what they can put in their bodies

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SEO Professor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by awarum

If people want to smoke, let them smoke. We already have millions of people in prison b/c of possession of marijuana.

Cheeseburgers are bad for your health too. Drinking too many sugary drinks (soda) can lead to health problems. Not exercising daily is bad for you too. Sitting in front of computer all day trying to make money is bad for you.

I guess education is one thing as long you are not going around telling people what to do or what they can put in their bodies

This is too true. Honestly, we put way too much emphasis on the most trivial things. People blow everything to large proportions and then we have law suits happening, imprisonment, etc. Prisons are overcrowding due to silly laws that only create more problems... cigarette bans are almost getting to the point of making them illegal all together and this will just increase violence and also throw more people in jail or prison for such a silly reason.

I do not like people smoking around me, but thats the way life is sometimes. Not everything will be to your liking and it is such a waste of time to fight something to the point of trying to extinguish it from the world... cause we all know thats pretty much impossible.

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boosters

13 years ago

smoke from fire side and than you never smoke again LOL

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frogman 13 years ago

And smoking also works wonders for your skin (& breath).
How sexy!!!
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Dubturbo

13 years ago

This is the worst thread in all forums ever created.....ever.

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Gourmet Gifts 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dubturbo

This is the worst thread in all forums ever created.....ever.

I think you might be onto something here.
Yeah, Smoking sucks - I gave up three years ago and feel calmer everyday.
My personal pick is the people who sit at building entrances and smoke.
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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

FIVE good sides of Cigarette Smoking?

1. Smokers are 50% less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

2. People who have never smoked are 3 times more likely to get ulcerative colitis.

3. Tics, such as those suffered by people with Tourettes, are significantly reduced by nicotine.

4. Nicotine improves the memory and attention. A huge benefit to Alzheimers sufferers.

5. Smokers are less likely to suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and colorectal cancer.

However...

The benefits come from nicotine (which is as about as harmful as caffeine). The harm, we are all familar with such as lung cancer, comes not from nicotine, nor from tabacco but from the inhalation of smoke. You could smoke dried broccolli and be in just as much danger.

Cigars and Pipes have no significant lung cancer risk (since they are not inhaled) but do present a oral cancer risk - although most oral cancers are caused by drinking alcohol.

Chewing tabaccos, dips, snus (wet snuff) present an oral cancer risk but the risk is less than 1/100th that of smoking (according to the British Medical Association).

Nasal snuff (finely powdered dry tobacco) has no known cancer risk and is reccomended by various Health Organisation (including BMA) as the safest form of tobacco use. In fact, users of nasal snuff who suffer from allergies such as hay fever often report a marked improvement as the snuff helps block the pollen.

E-Cigs are also a safe way of taking nicotine. As are nicotine patches and gums.

The target for reducing adult smokers is set at 20% of the adult population. The only country to achieve this is Sweden. They have a high percentage of e-cigarette and snus users.

Conclusion

There are benefits to smoking tobacco, due to the positive effects of nicotine. However these are outweighed by the negative caused by inhaling smoke. Smokeless tobaccos offer the benefit of nicotine but without the cancer dangers of smoke inhalation.

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John Durham

13 years ago

Take a breath Steve, its easy to be so altruistic to your point that you lose credibility... We have been there before on another subject, and reading back through later you could see that the arguments werent even relevent, quotes were taken out of context... this evangelical tirading is offensive to people. People arent stupid, cigerettes "contribute" to cancer at some level... But they also arent so stupid to think that the 60% of cancer victoms, who dont smoke, caught it from smokers. You are going overboard with your enthusiasm and losing your effectiveness.

Do you want to help people or simply stand up for a pointless point, that the whole world is already educated about until you are blue in the face and everyone is worn out?

Not worth all the energy, sounds like you could do with a big fatty to me. JMO

Ps. Its what comes OUT of a mans mouth that condenms him, moreso than what goes in.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Take a breath Steve, its easy to be so altruistic to your point that you lose credibility... We have been there before on another subject, and reading back through later you could see that the arguments werent even relevent, quotes were taken out of context... this evangelical tirading is offensive to people. People arent stupid, cigerettes "contribute" to cancer at some level... But they also arent so stupid to think that the 60% of cancer victoms, who dont smoke, caught it from smokers. You are going overboard with your enthusiasm and losing your effectiveness.

Do you want to help people or simply stand up for a pointless point, that the whole world is already educated about until you are blue in the face and everyone is worn out?

Not worth all the energy, sounds like you could do with a big fatty to me. JMO

Ps. Its what comes OUT of a mans mouth that condenms him, moreso than what goes in.

Are you talking to ME? I'm not out of breath. Big fatty!???? Hey, I have breathed in a LOT of smoke! My father, mother, supervisor at my first skilled job, accountant at my second one, were CHAIN SMOKERS! To say that the act of having the cigarette between your lips somehow tags YOU as the one is MORONIC! NOPE, it is everything ELSE that tags you! NOBODY cares if you have lead paint on your house. That doesn't make you more likely to get lead poisoning. If someone from the OTHER side of the planet comes over and eats paint chips from your house, THEY will get lead poisoning. It really is THAT simple! The ONLY thing that makes smokers more susceptible is that THEY intentionally expose themselves. But their KIDS don't have a choice.

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paintingsgalore22

13 years ago

Boooo for cigarettes. . The other day I over heard my auntie and mom talking about smoking. They started smoking in a very young age.. Which is bad right? anyhow!. My auntie have this shocking phrase. It's ok to smoke, cos it'll just kill you slowly. What????. What the hell is wrong with them. is it ok for them to die?.. oh well!. Different thoughts from different types of people.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

I recall an anti-smoking ad once "One out of three people smoke, the other two choke", so stopping smoking will be saving us all something to ponder

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Sandycmy

13 years ago

Been a smoker for past 12 years( a minimum of 2 packs a day ) and I gave up smoking just 2 months back !

What I believe is all the Cravings stuff is BS. You can easily let it go after a while .

Instant Best outcomes I experienced !

I breathe better !
I save a lot of time and cut down on redundant smoke talks.
have better sex

Food tastes better !
I'm more social with my non smoking friends.
I literally feel better texture of my skin and it breathes better !
Lips limping back to normal color
Nice to have a change.
While thinking - My friend says I looked like a loser with a cigarette before, Now I'm a Thought leader

Hey ! I save a lot of money too.
My family is more happy.
I focus better on my IM too

I care damn for lesser longevity - But friends I'm loving the immediate better quality of life.

Regret: when I Look back and I know I have lost enough opportunities !
Not any more

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Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago

Well, no doubt I am going to piss off a lot of people here but whatever.

If you want to smoke, fine...smoke. I have no problem with it.

What I have a problem with is you smoking around me and subjecting me to
that smoke. I don't want to inhale it.

IMO, we don't really need laws banning smoking except in public places
like airports, office buildings where people HAVE to work and the like.

If I'm in an office and working for a living I shouldn't have to breathe smoke
when this is my livelihood.

However, I agree with the restaurant example. If I don't want to eat in a
restaurant that allows smoking, then I go somewhere else.

I think ultimately what would happen, if this were the case, is that
restaurant owners would see enough drop in business from non smokers
refusing to go there that they would voluntarily ban smoking or at the very
least have smoking and non smoking sections like some restaurants have.

Bottom line: I don't want to breathe your smoke and I shouldn't be forced
to. The other day, I walked away from a table because somebody started
smoking. I won't go into details here. Was I rude? Maybe. But I'll be damned
if I'm going to breathe your smoke.

So I guess this makes me one of those self righteous zealots.

So be it.
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Henry White

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandycmy

Been a smoker for past 12 years( a minimum of 2 packs a day ) and I gave up smoking just 2 months back !

What I believe is all the Cravings stuff is BS. You can easily let it go after a while .

Instant Best outcomes I experienced !

I breathe better !
I save a lot of time and cut down on redundant smoke talks.
have better sex

Food tastes better !
I'm more social with my non smoking friends.
I literally feel better texture of my skin and it breathes better !
Lips limping back to normal color
Nice to have a change.
While thinking - My friend says I looked like a loser with a cigarette before, Now I'm a Thought leader

Hey ! I save a lot of money too.
My family is more happy.
I focus better on my IM too

I care damn for lesser longevity - But friends I'm loving the immediate better quality of life.

Regret: when I Look back and I know I have lost enough opportunities !
Not any more

It's mostly a conditioned reflex - like lighting up when you take a coffee break or after meals or sex - and no where near the physical torture "worse than kicking an heroin addiction." (Where the hell started that myth?) That's all psychological - the real torture is putting up with the stench in your drapes, carpet, cloth upholstery, and even your linens for weeks and months to come!

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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hwhite

It's mostly a conditioned reflex - like lighting up when you take a coffee break or after meals or sex - and no where near the physical torture "worse than kicking an heroin addiction." (Where the hell started that myth?)

It isn't a myth. Perhaps you found giving up smoking much easier than giving up heroin. You wouldn't be in the minority. However, studies have shown that significant percentages of drug-users (heroin, cocaine, alcohol) find it harder to give up smoking.

Cocaine 45%
Heroin 38%
Alcohol 50%

While you may think that the hype around giving up smoking greatly exaggerates the difficulty this needs to be put into context with the hype about the difficulty in getting off heroin. Heroin is portrayed as highly addictive in the media as well as extremely difficult to quit. It is difficult to quit but just how difficult depends on the individual. Many addicts will deliberately and regularly go cold turkey in order to return to the pleasure they used to get from the drug when first starting the habit.

A common mistake is to look at the intensity of the drug and imagine the difficulty in quitting. Nicotine in cigarettes gives the user a slight feeling of euphoria compared to heroin and cocaine. However nicotine itself is highly potent. In tests in which subjects are injected with nicotine they often mistake it for cocaine. Alcohol and heroin withdrawal is much more painful than cocaine withdrawal but cocaine is much more addictive. All three are more painful to withdraw from than nicotine but studies indicate nicotine is more addictive.

The problem with nicotine is twofold

It become more addictive after 'giving up'. The sensitivity of the 'reward pathways' is increased if you smoke after withdrawing. Basically the more often you quit, then start smoking again, the more addicted you become and harder it is to quit once and for all.
Unlike other drugs, nicotine is taken in small quantities each day, all day, every day. If you look at how much of the substance is taken and how often (rather than just the stimulating effects) it's easier to see nicotine as more addictive than heroin and cocaine.

Conclusion

It is, unless you work for a tobacco company, an accepted fact that smoking can be as hard to give up as heroin (cocaine and alcohol). The myth, is there is one, is more likely to be around how difficult it is to quit heroin rather than how hard it is to give up smoking.

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focused

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hwhite

It's mostly a conditioned reflex - like lighting up when you take a coffee break or after meals or sex - and no where near the physical torture "worse than kicking an heroin addiction." (Where the hell started that myth?) That's all psychological - the real torture is putting up with the stench in your drapes, carpet, cloth upholstery, and even your linens for weeks and months to come!

To bolster that contention, my father had smoked 3-4 packs of cigarettes per day for more than 30 years. When the price per pack got too high for him as being a rip-off, he quit cold turkey, and never smoked again or had any withdrawal symptoms.

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masterazizi87

13 years ago

I hate it when someone smoking in public especially near to me

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13 years ago

This is the epitome of sarcasm right here, and it really rubs in the face of smokers. Is this published somewhere where a lot of people can see it? Or did you make this up and are only sharing it with us?

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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

I don't smoke and I made that choice for two reasons:

Inhaling smoke causes health problems I'm not prepared to take the risk of developing.
It's too damn expensive!

However, if someone else wants to smoke then it's up to them. If a restaurant wants to let customers smoke, then I wouldn't go in if the smoke was too bad. And if someone near me stinks, I'll move away if I can.

People who single out smoking but not other cancer causing luxuries are simple-minded and ought to be tolerated but it's difficult because they're usually so obnoxious.

I am always amazed when I discover an anti-smoker drinks alcohol!

Just one drink a day and you run the risk of:

Mouth cancer
Pharyngeal cancer (upper throat)
Oesophageal cancer (food pipe)
Laryngeal cancer (voice box)
Breast cancer
Bowel cancer
Liver cancer

Just TWO beers a day:

increases the risk of mouth cancer by 3 times (200 per cent)
increases the risk of oesophageal cancer by 2 times (100 per cent)
increases the risk of breast cancer by 55 per cent
increases the risk of bowel cancer by 10-19 per cent

To put this in perspective:

Two CIGARS a day DOUBLES your risk of ORAL CANCER
Two BEERS a day TRIPLES your risk of ORAL CANCER

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Henry White

13 years ago

One of my best friends quit cold turkey when his future Mrs. told him, and I quote: "Kissing you is like licking an ashtry."

I think that pretty much covers it.

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zachary0611

13 years ago

This post just stressed me out, so I am going to go outside and smoke a cigarette. I will be back in a second.

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williams22

13 years ago

Trust me i had never got scared watching evil death all parts one by one but got scared while reading this post

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Banned 13 years ago

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by RajJames

Scary but all of the things you have mentioned above are for real. My good side of Cigarette smoking is you can make non-smokers get ill too because of having this vice.

I'm hoping that this is a joke, right? Otherwise you are one sick puppy.

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herbaltea

13 years ago

The great tobacco debate has been going on for years and this thread is just one of the many example. Cigarette smoking provides a number of surprising benefits to the health of tobacco smokers. The pharmacological benefits of tobacco are nothing new. Still, I feel from inside that smoking is not good at all.

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insurancequotes

13 years ago

I'm a non smoker and really scared of it due to its extreme bad effects on our health! One who smoke should be careful about non smokers for the adverse effect of passive smoking!

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evengigs

13 years ago

Style stating, that's what smoking is all about.

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vvsingh

13 years ago

Sarcasm at its best..Witty and informative. I knew it is hazardous but did not such intricate details.. I will forward to every smoker friend of mine..hehee

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hireava

13 years ago

I didn't know that there is a good side about cigarette smoking. But when I read your post...I ended up thinking that there's still no good side about it.

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vampiro

13 years ago

A friend of mine which has a different logical reasoning ability once told me:

"If a person who smoke dies, and a non-smoker also dies, then he would rather choose to be a smoker. Why? For he could feel the good ecstasy effect of smoke and never regret than be dead without even trying."

Well, that is his opinion. Smoking is not bad. That is the reason that it is still sold in the market. But there is somehow a limitation for that. Excessive smoking is very bad as excessive drinking does. All we need is a moderation on all our actions. Perhaps one stick a day is still good.

New technologies has been developed to promote a healthy cigarette. I read about an electronic cigarette and I am not sure if it is as good as the real ones.

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Hamon

Banned 13 years ago

Well i hate smoking.

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Frances Colleen

13 years ago

I have a friend who smokes because she says she wants do die young and beautiful, not when she's old and wrinkled. So I guess smoking makes for a beautiful corpse after all.

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Jenn1986

13 years ago

There really is no point though to debate the pros or cons on smoking. Everyone knows its bad for you. You can not smoke and you know its bad, or those who do smoke know its bad.