British PM demands News Corp. phone hacking inquiry: N.O.W Paper To Shut Down - Ongoing Story!

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The British tabloid News of the world has gotten itself in hot water.

U.K. lawmakers staged an emergency debate Wednesday to vent their outrage over a widening phone hacking scandal in which a tabloid ( News of the World )...

...allegedly targeted missing schoolgirls & the families of London terror victims in addition to celebrities and royals.

Very interesting...


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British PM demands News Corp. phone hacking inquiry - Rupert Murdoch | Founder of News Corp., Fox News - Salon.com
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, disregarding any political motive in posting the OP.... HOW could a mere PAPER HACK the phone? *******WHY******* would they delete messages on said phone? There was certainly NO political motive, as if that could even be a question.

    The whole charge sounds LUDICROUS!

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      OK, disregarding any political motive in posting the OP.... HOW could a mere PAPER HACK the phone? *******WHY******* would they delete messages on said phone? There was certainly NO political motive, as if that could even be a question.

      The whole charge sounds LUDICROUS!

      Steve
      Time will tell...

      Who said there had to be a political motivation in the posting this story or by News of the World??

      You must admit a British PM demanding an inquiry about a new organization is news in and of itself.


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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Who said there had to be a political motivation in the posting this story or by News of the World??
        As I said, disregarding any such motive. Given the source, mention of ties, etc... it is even MORE political tan the economy which has been declared too political here.

        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        You must admit a British PM demanding and inquiry about a new organization is news in and of itself.


        TL
        YEP, but again, it may be political against a foe. It is CERTAINLY political as far as protecting those that are raising the questions.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          As I said, disregarding any such motive. Given the source, mention of ties, etc... it is even MORE political tan the economy which has been declared too political here.



          YEP, but again, it may be political against a foe. It is CERTAINLY political as far as protecting those that are raising the questions.

          Steve
          As a matter of fact...

          ... it's quite big news no matter what the source.


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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            No it is not ludicrous unfortunately.

            This paper has already paid £thousands in compensation to celebrities and MPs for hacking into their phones.

            Sienna Miller for example.

            It is a paper owned by Rupurt Murdoch who ownes Fox in the US.

            The particular story about Millie Dowler is particularly sickening because the journalist who did it was doing it whilst she was classed as missing.

            The police and her parents thought that she must still be alive as her phone messages were being opened and deleted but she had in fact already been murdered.

            Two News of The World journalists are already in jail for hacking into the Royal Familiy's phones a few years ago.

            NoTW is losing pretty much all of its advertisers now and the paper is expected to issue a front page apology on Sunday. (The day it comes out)

            It is what is known as a Red Top Newspaper in the UK.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

              No it is not ludicrous unfortunately.

              This paper has already paid £thousands in compensation to celebrities and MPs for hacking into their phones.

              Sienna Miller for example.

              It is a paper owned by Rupurt Murdoch who ownes Fox in the US.

              The particular story about Millie Dowler is particularly sickening because the journalist who did it was doing it whilst she was classed as missing.

              The police and her parents thought that she must still be alive as her phone messages were being opened and deleted but she had in fact already been murdered.

              Two News of The World journalists are already in jail for hacking into the Royal Familiy's phones a few years ago.

              NoTW is losing pretty much all of its advertisers now and the paper is expected to issue a front page apology on Sunday. (The day it comes out)

              It is what is known as a Red Top Newspaper in the UK.

              Dan
              Well, the idea of deleting messages just doesn't make sense. and hacking into the particular phone, etc? Heck, why isn't the PHONE service held to task for ALLOWING it!

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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                Well, the idea of deleting messages just doesn't make sense. and hacking into the particular phone, etc? Heck, why isn't the PHONE service held to task for ALLOWING it!

                Steve
                They showed on the news today how to hack into a phone.
                Pretty damn easy really. Thing is it's not really the phone companies fault, it's the fault of the people who don't change their pin or password from the default one.
                Once your in you can see all messages in their voice mail among other things.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  They showed on the news today how to hack into a phone.
                  Pretty damn easy really. Thing is it's not really the phone companies fault, it's the fault of the people who don't change their pin or password from the default one.
                  Once your in you can see all messages in their voice mail among other things.
                  Now that you mention it, they DID make a mistake with my first phone, and messages got switched, etc... They gave the same stupid reason YOU did. It is STILL THEIR fault. The last company I worked for had a STANDARD password for everyone! Yet nobody really knew the other passwords. On MINE, for example, it was StknXXXX EVERYONE knew that! Those that didn't know me AT ALL, could figure it out by my badge!

                  OH YEAH, the XXXX was something they didn't know. It was the last four digits of the tax ID number.

                  Even DEC fixed THEIR stupidity here a bit before they went bankrupt. Originally, the password to the SYSTEM account on ALL VAXes was MANAGER! It is such a simple thing to do.

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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Seeing how every owners manual I've gotten with a new phone tells you over and over to change your password or pin from the default one, I'll stick with it being the phone owners fault.
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      Seeing how every owners manual I've gotten with a new phone tells you over and over to change your password or pin from the default one, I'll stick with it being the phone owners fault.
                      WELL, the problem I had with my first phone happened BEFORE I EVEN GOT HOME! So it wan't MY fault. And you shouldn't have to read a document that you may not even get to prevent FURTHER access by someone else.

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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        WELL, the problem I had with my first phone happened BEFORE I EVEN GOT HOME! So it wan't MY fault. And you shouldn't have to read a document that you may not even get to prevent FURTHER access by someone else.

                        Steve
                        So what should the phone company do? I've never not received a manual with any phone I've had in the last 15 years.
                        Are they suppose to call you and remind you or come to your house and change the pin number for you?
                        When you bring a new computer home there is no user name or password to get into it.
                        If you don't add one and someone else gets into your machine is it the computer manufacturers fault, the fault of the company that provided the OS, or yours?
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                        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                          So what should the phone company do? I've never not received a manual with any phone I've had in the last 15 years.
                          Are they suppose to call you and remind you or come to your house and change the pin number for you?
                          WHAT is so hard to understand? Oy has been done in the computer industry for DECADES!

                          When you bring a new computer home there is no user name or password to get into it.
                          Well, some earlier windows implementations were jokes. The latest versions DO ask YOU to give them passwords. If someone else assigned one, then YEAH, it is the company's fault.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

              No it is not ludicrous unfortunately.

              This paper has already paid £thousands in compensation to celebrities and MPs for hacking into their phones.

              Sienna Miller for example.

              It is a paper owned by Rupurt Murdoch who ownes Fox in the US.

              The particular story about Millie Dowler is particularly sickening because the journalist who did it was doing it whilst she was classed as missing.

              The police and her parents thought that she must still be alive as her phone messages were being opened and deleted but she had in fact already been murdered.

              Two News of The World journalists are already in jail for hacking into the Royal Familiy's phones a few years ago.

              NoTW is losing pretty much all of its advertisers now and the paper is expected to issue a front page apology on Sunday. (The day it comes out)

              It is what is known as a Red Top Newspaper in the UK.

              Dan
              Well, the idea of deleting messages just doesn't make sense. and hacking into the particular phone, etc? Heck, why isn't the PHONE service held to task for ALLOWING it! I mean it sounds like they make it EASY!

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Saw this in CNN two hours ago. Not really sure about the REAL implications of this, but from what I can tell it's sickening.
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    Ah Nuts. Too bad Bravo isn't here to comment on THIS one. We just seem to miss all of the fun.

    Oh wait - he's back.

    Hey Bravo - this one is for you ---
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    News Of The World Hacking Scandal: A Timeline Of Events :

    More phone hacking incidents:

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    News Of The World Hacking Scandal: A Timeline Of Events
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Update: News of the World to Shut

    BBC News - News of the World to close amid hacking scandal

    FYI, The News of the World is no ordinaty newspaper, it was the most widely circulated english language newspaper in the world. It was basically a completely soft porn and sleeze sheet. Not only that, it is liekly that a lot of stories were made up. The News of the World could easily win the title of the trashiest newspaper in the world.

    Tabloids in America are just kindergarten stuff compared to it. If Murdoch would have his way, the standards would be lowered to the same level in America as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Update: News of the World to Shut

      BBC News - News of the World to close amid hacking scandal

      FYI, The News of the World is no ordinary newspaper, it was the most widely circulated english language newspaper in the world. It was basically a completely soft porn and sleeze sheet. Not only that, it is likely that a lot of stories were made up. The News of the World could easily win the title of the trashiest newspaper in the world.

      Tabloids in America just look like kindergarten stuff compared to it. If Murdoch would have his way, the standards would be lowered to the same level in America as well.
      Astounding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      This is blockbuster news.

      Why would they shut down if they have done nothing wrong or the charges are ludicrous, as some people here have claimed??

      This is a news story worthy of discussion.

      All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Update: News of the World to Shut

      BBC News - News of the World to close amid hacking scandal

      FYI, The News of the World is no ordinaty newspaper, it was the most widely circulated english language newspaper in the world. It was basically a completely soft porn and sleeze sheet. Not only that, it is liekly that a lot of stories were made up.

      Tabloids in America just look like kindergarten stuff compared to it. If Murdoch would have his way, the standards would be lowered to the same level in America as well.
      The US is so RIDICULOUSLY PC, that it is INCREDIBLE! I just heard of ANOTHER case, this time in OHIO(IIRC) of a CONSPIRACY to facilitate cheating in the state tests. There has been SO much grade inflation, etc... that most, perhaps all, states now have tests you have to complete before graduating high school, and sometimes other grades. Well, they give that info to the teachers who then often teach the kids how to cheat. So NOW, they are graduating kids with HIGH grades that can't even read!

      HECK, one college had SO much trouble judging students on grades, that they created a special test to help. That became a STANDARD, and is now known as the SAT. People teach people how to pass THAT also.

      Anyway, there are plenty of nasty rags at checkout counters. GRANTED, I have heard that british ones are WORSE, but the ones here ARE pretty bad.

      Now, as to the paper in question, I heard it will CEASE publication after this week.

      TL. I never said they did NOTHING wrong. As for the charges being ludicrous, I said the IDEA of them is. I STILL can't see anyone doing that. And some rags in the US have had scandals and STILL stayed open. Frankly, murdoch doesn't need that, and if the people are THAT bad, shuting things down is the best approach. The person that USED to head that is now an executive at newscorp, and he is KEEPING her there!

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    It may not be as dramatic as it seems for New Corp. "The News of the World" is a sister publication to "'The Sun". The former is published on Sundays only whereas the latter from Monday to Saturday. So they could simply get "The Sun" to publish a Sunday edition. It is no secret that the main attraction of "The Sun" is page 3, where you a picture of a topless girl everyday. With "The News of the World". you get topless pics all over the spread.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Yeahhhh; good riddance.

    Not that it means much. NotW readers - those obviously receptive to and excited by crappy, disgusting "journalism" - (not to mention many of the paper's employees) will just jump straight to Murdoch's The Sun, which, as per news reports, is speculated to be published more frequently.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WOW derek, I can't believe they have such a rag, etc... One of our worst USED to be:

    National Enquirer -

    It looks like they might have cleaned it up. Same with one that WAS a competitor:

    Globe Magazine - Celebrity, Photos and News

    One that was REAL bad ceased in 2007. 8-(

    They passed a number of laws here that make it harder to sell porn. OH, you still CAN, but it has to be less obvious to kids and maybe sealed, etc.... So you aren't going to see kids sitting down to browse, etc...

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I just heard of ANOTHER case, this time in OHIO(IIRC) of a CONSPIRACY to facilitate cheating in the state tests.
      Steve I hadn't heard of that one.
      This was just all over the news though.
      Suspicious test scores widespread in state *| ajc.com
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Steve I hadn't heard of that one.
        This was just all over the news though.
        Suspicious test scores widespread in state *| ajc.com
        This doesn't look like the same one, but is an authoritative example of EXACTLY what I was talking about, and the article is only about 30 days old:

        When test scores seem too good to believe - USATODAY.com

        At Seipelt, as in other schools nationwide, young students tipped off officials that something was amiss. Yet if anyone had taken a closer look at the past few years' scores, they might have noticed other testing irregularities at Seipelt.
        In several grades, standardized test scores at Seipelt fluctuated year to year, sometimes rising sharply, then falling, according to data USA TODAY obtained from the Ohio Department of Education.
        In 2005, for example, the school's third-graders tested in the 67th percentile statewide in math. As fourth-graders a year later, when Mueller was one of their teachers, their scores jumped to the 97th percentile, among the best in the state. As fifth-graders in 2007, the scores plunged to the 49th percentile. Then, in 2008, when they were in sixth grade, their scores climbed again to the 90th percentile.
        Seipelt's gains and losses are typical of a pattern uncovered by a USA TODAY investigation of the standardized tests of millions of students in six states and the District of Columbia. The newspaper identified 1,610 examples of anomalies in which public school classes — a school's entire fifth grade, for example — boasted what analysts regard as statistically rare, perhaps suspect, gains on state tests.
        Such anomalies surfaced in Washington, D.C., and each of the states — Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Michigan and Ohio — where USA TODAY analyzed test scores. For each state, the newspaper obtained three to seven years' worth of scores. There were another 317 examples of equally large, year-to-year declines in an entire grade's scores.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The arrests begin!!!

    Andy Coulson Arrested As Phone Hacking Scandal Deepens

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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      TLT

      Is this being reported in the US then? I see your link is Huffington Post but I have not heard of this unlike say NY Times.

      Because Murdoch does after all own Fox in the US and I imagine his rivals will be making hay out of this.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        TLT

        Is this being reported in the US then? I see your link is Huffington Post but I have not heard of this unlike say NY Times.

        Because Murdoch does after all own Fox in the US and I imagine his rivals will be making hay out of this.

        Dan
        Try their website or do a search online and see what you get.

        This is big news no matter who makes hay of it.

        All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        TLT

        Is this being reported in the US then? I see your link is Huffington Post but I have not heard of this unlike say NY Times.

        Because Murdoch does after all own Fox in the US and I imagine his rivals will be making hay out of this.

        Dan
        HE is upset about this ALSO! Just because you OWN something doesn't mean you have full control of it. Corporations are living and breathing both LEGALLY and in the way they often out survive the original owner. That is one reason why they limit liability. Rags like that apparently was are effectively EXPECTED to lie and have contraversies. Something like this will filter down to the lowest levels SIMPLY because the rag has been around so long, and it is owned by someone that is so rich and well known. I ALREADY heard about it on some conservative talk shows, and THEY aren't happy about the whole thing either... USUALLY foreign news doesn't really hit the media. If it did, the news would never be able to be reported! HEY, the same is true of OTHER countries as well.

        And when I say they are upset, I mean with anything happening to create the charge, NOT the charge itself.

        In MIB, the head agent talks about research, etc... and the junior agent is SHOCKED and dismayed to find they are TABLOIDS! Like the national enquirer(IIRC) that said that george bush pals around with ET, they have half human, half not, hybrids, etc....

        People are SHOCKED when such rags tell something that is TRUE!

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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Okay I used the wrong phrase with the Making Hay.

          I just looked at NY Times and see it is on their front page online.

          NOTW was a pitbull of a newspaper. Once they had it in for you then that was it. They were relentless.

          And if there was no news then they would invent news that they could 'break.'

          When it was them accessing the phone records of MPs and celebrities and Royals I guess it was a case of 50/50 in the publics minds (don't take that as gospel) but to access murder victims, families of 7/7 (London Tube bombing) families of dead soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq all to get a line to use in a story crossed a line in 99% of peoples opinion.

          News International is a very powerful media group. Indeed in one General Election the day after you get this famous British headline.

          It's The Sun Wot Won It - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Andy Coulson was David Camerons Press Advisor, News International backed Cameron to win the election and immediately after are given the Green Light to buy complete control of BSkyB.

          The review of which was to end today but I think that is all but over now.

          Also Scotland Yard are tarnished as it seems to be considerable corruption within the MET (Police)

          The Press are sometimes referred to as the gutter press in the UK. NOTW was always at the bottom of the gutter.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      OK, HOUSE will never look the same to me. 8-( THREE videos on genitals? 2 on toilets? 8-(

      SEE, the brits have some WEIRD humor. Monty python? Benny Hill? YIKES!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Murdoch made a bold move in my opinion in closing down the paper (and tossing 200 people out of work).

        What is surprising to me is the suspicions about other news venues owned by Murdoch haven't been mentioned much - only those in the UK. I keep wondering if the pointing fingers will jump the pond and look at some things in the U.S. as well. Just don't think this one will die quietly.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Murdoch made a bold move in my opinion in closing down the paper (and tossing 200 people out of work).

          What is surprising to me is the suspicions about other news venues owned by Murdoch haven't been mentioned much - only those in the UK. I keep wondering if the pointing fingers will jump the pond and look at some things in the U.S. as well. Just don't think this one will die quietly.

          kay
          I hear his bold move was prompted by a dearth of advertisers for the NOW.

          I hear this situation was not going to "blow over".

          On this side of the pond...

          His outlets have not been accused of breaking the law - just a bunch of other questionable journalistic practices - but no law breaking as in the U.K.

          Google...

          jon stewart vs. fox news or even media matters ( who claim they are designed to document and counter fox news ) vs. fox news for more details.

          All The Best!!

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        • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Murdoch made a bold move in my opinion in closing down the paper (and tossing 200 people out of work).

          What is surprising to me is the suspicions about other news venues owned by Murdoch haven't been mentioned much - only those in the UK. I keep wondering if the pointing fingers will jump the pond and look at some things in the U.S. as well. Just don't think this one will die quietly.

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  • Profile picture of the author g4r3th
    Newspapers should never break the law, just to get a story.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    One of the reasons being touted for closing down NOTW is that under an anomaly of UK law, is that after it goes into liquidation, all its documents can be destroyed.

    See here: Is Murdoch free to destroy tabloid’s records? | MediaFile

    If this is true (and who knows), it means that the potential for any future investigations will be lost, and they can get away with only what is known so far.

    However it may also prove to be a "shoot yourself in the foot" moment as well. There are now over 200 unemployed people who are mightily p*ssed off at their former employer. many of these will have some very juicy tidbits of information about the inner workings of the paper, and possibly the whole Newcorp empire.

    Watch out for these stories to emerge over the coming days and weeks.

    People in the UK are going ballistic over this. Check out the #notw hashtag on Twitter for ongoing commentary.

    This incident is probably not isolated to the UK either. Murdoch's empire stretches across the globe. Given the penchant for every one of Newscorp's (possible exception The Wall St Journal), for low brow, tabloid style "journalism", who's to say that the practice of phone hacking isn't rife across all of their media outlets.

    James Murdoch, son of Rupert, is being groomed to take over from his old man, and if it turns out that James is looking at jail time, then that puts a huge kibossh on any succession plans.

    If Rupert himself is found to be guilty of any crimes, from my (limited) understanding of US law, he will not be allowed to control any media assets in the US. That could result in a fire sale of Fox TV, Fox News, The Wall St Journal, the New York Post and many more assets.

    On top of all that, there is going to be a full investigation in to funds paid to police officers in return for information. Expect a number of arrests of police officers to happen shortly.

    Once again, if Newscorp is paying police in the UK, who's to say they aren't also doing that in the US, Australia and everywhere else.

    The hacking of celebrities and politicians phones is one thing, the hacking of murder victims, soldiers killed in the Middle East and victims of the 7/7 terrorist bombings is a completely different kettle of fish.

    This has the potential to become THE biggest story of the year.

    As they say, watch this space.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Nowhere in the English speaking world is the press as sleezy as in the UK, and there is no doubt that Murdoch is responsible for it. I have read tabloids in US, Canada and Australia and in no way can they compare to the UK counterparts. If you want an idea of how trashy UK tabloids can go, just read the Daily Star. It is basically bare boobs over the place as well.

    Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News

    The chances are that this is the tip of the iceberg. It is quite possible that other papers in the UK and other countries are involved and this will just blow bigger and bigger.

    One good example would be Catholic priests abusing children. It started off small in one country and just kept getting bigger and bigger.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Nowhere in the English speaking world is the press as sleezy as in the UK, and there is no doubt that Murdoch is responsible for it. I have read tabloids in US, Canada and Australia and in no way can they compare to the UK counterparts.
      You contradicted yourself! Murdoch could EASILY have RAUNCHY things in the US. IRONICALLY, if he did so, a lot of conservatives would probably speak AGAINST him for it. I haven't heard a PEEP! One guy I listen to BRAGS how the UK and murdoch have BANNED HIM! And YES, he said MURDOCH! He said fox news won't have him because MURDOCH told them they were not to have him on. He ALSO makes it clear he is not a member of EITHER political party here. And do you REALLY think Murdoch is over 100? I mean if this paper is THAT old, he probably bought EVERYTHING, right down to the employees, and let it continue. That IS generally what happens.

      Anyway, Murdoch owns an empire, is rich, is on cable, etc... The US HAS seen examples of raunchy. There IS porn on Cable. There ARE 40+ year old men acting like 10 year olds. In fact one hires 10 year olds to do to women what THEY can NOT! We have had benny hill here. And people FAR less secure than murdoch have combined such things. and it is PERFECTLY LEGAL! The FCC, and FEDERAL laws have EXEMPTIONS for it! I am not aware of murdoch doing that here.

      I think it is unfair to imply that HE created it!

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    A pity the NOTW is going down, but they I think the negative publicity meant something had to be done
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    If you want an idea of how trashy UK tabloids can go, just read the Daily Star.
    Derek,
    According to the Guardian (which is one of the world's best newspapers by the way - the Brits don't only do sleazy tabloids), the offices of the Daily Star have also been raided.

    Update Edit:

    In Australia, Greens Party leader Senator Bob Brown, has called for a public inquiry into Newscorp's practices here.

    UK police are also investigating the alleged deletion of nearly a terabyte of emails by "a senior executive". Tampering with, or destruction of, evidence is a very serious crime. Not to mention "perverting the course of justice", another serious crime.

    This is already starting to snowball out of control for Murdoch. Any "damage control" they try to do from here on will only make the situation worse.
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      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      UPDATE: Hello The Sun on Sunday.
      By the look of things, changing the name, or merging with another paper is not going to stop anything. If anything it just makes the whole affair look even more dodgy.

      UPDATE:

      Renault has pulled it ads from all of News International's publications. (source: - Renault reviews News Int ad plans - Brand Republic News)
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    The Page 3 topless girls of the Sun was entirely Murdoch's creation, and this is what started dragging the whole British tabloid press down a slippery slope. I am not sure whether mass circulation newspapers in the US are allowed to have soff porn content or not. I remember there was a sex scandal involving the CEO of the PLC years ago, and the Sun was discussing the types of dildos and condoms used by he and his bimbo with graphic pictues. I certainly don't like the thought of small children being exposed to this stuff by their parents day in and day out.


    But it is not the soft porn that put me off, it is just so many of the stories are just not believable. Lots of people have been libeled by the Sun but only the richest celebrities like Elton John could afford to sue. Not only that, as an Australian (now American), Murdoch has disproportionate power in influencing the outcome of the UK elections.

    By selling the News of the World, Murdoch wants to draw a line under it in hope that his other media properties will not be implicated or investigated. But the chances are that this will get bigger and bigger and will involve many other media outlets around the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The Page 3 topless girls of the Sun was entirely Murdoch's creation, and this is what started dragging the whole British tabloid press down a slippery slope. I am not sure whether mass circulation newspapers in the US are allowed to have soff porn content or not. I remember there was a sex scandal involving the CEO of the PLC years ago, and the Sun was discussing the types of dildos and condoms used by he and his bimbo with graphic pictues. I certainly don't like the thought of small children being exposed to this stuff by their parents day in and day out.


      But it is not the soft porn that put me off, it is just so many of the stories are just not believable. Lots of people have been libeled by the Sun but only the richest celebrities like Elton John could afford to sue. Not only that, as an Australian (now American), Murdoch has disproportionate power in influencing the outcome of the UK elections.

      By selling the News of the World, Murdoch wants to draw a line under it in hope that his other media properties will not be implicated or investigated. But the chances are that this will get bigger and bigger and will involve many other media outlets around the world.
      He's the champion of sleaze and of dumbing down the public he claims to serve.

      His viewers and readers are always way less informed about basic material facts than people that frequent other media outlets.

      Media Matters for America has cataloged the transgressions of his media outlets on this side of the pond.

      Lie after lie after lie after lie.



      How anyone outside of the people that work for him or are family members could defend him is beyond me.


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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The Page 3 topless girls of the Sun was entirely Murdoch's creation, and this is what started dragging the whole British tabloid press down a slippery slope. I am not sure whether mass circulation newspapers in the US are allowed to have soff porn content or not. I remember there was a sex scandal involving the CEO of the PLC years ago, and the Sun was discussing the types of dildos and condoms used by he and his bimbo with graphic pictues. I certainly don't like the thought of small children being exposed to this stuff by their parents day in and day out.


      But it is not the soft porn that put me off, it is just so many of the stories are just not believable. Lots of people have been libeled by the Sun but only the richest celebrities like Elton John could afford to sue. Not only that, as an Australian (now American), Murdoch has disproportionate power in influencing the outcome of the UK elections.

      By selling the News of the World, Murdoch wants to draw a line under it in hope that his other media properties will not be implicated or investigated. But the chances are that this will get bigger and bigger and will involve many other media outlets around the world.
      Who said that page 3 was HIS creation? Yeah, soft porn in print is considered risque here, in the US, and usually met with disapproval. It is mostly done in ads if at all. There ARE ways to avoid that, but then you might as well go ALL the way. Of course, on CABLE it is SIMPLE.

      But who knows? There was an internet campaign and I think even people HERE said that the people in it were NUDE! They MIGHT have been! They probably WERE! The FACT is that everything was done such that you couldn't be SURE. They did it to drive the point home. As I recall, it was a PSA against Skin Cancer.

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    WAY to avoid politics TL! Why don't you look at the ABOUTUS page on THEIR site to see their purpose and how unbiased they are!?

    About Us | Media Matters for America

    REMEMBER, this is THEIR site! The very one YOU pointed to! Check out the domain if you don't believe me!

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      WAY to avoid politics TL! Why don't you look at the ABOUTUS page on THEIR site to see their purpose and how unbiased they are!?

      About Us | Media Matters for America

      REMEMBER, this is THEIR site! The very one YOU pointed to! Check out the domain if you don't believe me!

      Steve
      I know who they are.

      News corp and them are involved in a death match as News Corp has filed suit against them with the FEC or some federal body challenging media matters' tax exempt status.

      Yeh, but are they accurate??

      The site is loaded with documented lies from the Murdock media empire.

      I dare you to spend some time there.

      All The Best!!

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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I know who they are.

        News corp and them are involved in a death match as News Corp has filed suit against them with the FEC or some federal body challenging media matters' tax exempt status.

        Yeh, but are they accurate??

        The site is loaded with documented lies from the Murdock media empire.

        I dare you to spend some time there.

        All The Best!!

        TL
        OK, I will, but I have heard an AWFUL lot of people on that side, many are or were BIG names. IWICSM.

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Now this (if true - well find out eventually) is BIG

    "9/11 victims 'may have had mobiles tapped by News of the World reporters"

    But he flew straight into another storm as it was claimed 9/11 victims may have had their mobiles tapped by News of the World reporters. And there was more bad news when it was revealed nine reporters *allegedly at the centre of the phone scandal and claims of police corruption could face jail, along with three officers.

    After he spent time at News International's Wapping HQ in East London, 80-year-old Mr Murdoch held crisis talks with Mrs Brooks, 43 - who denies any knowledge of the Milly phone tapping - at his home in Mayfair.

    The pair chatted behind closed doors as a former New York cop made the 9/11 hacking claim. He alleged he was contacted by News of the World journalists who said they would pay him to retrieve the private phone records of the dead.

    Now working as a private *investigator, the ex-officer claimed reporters wanted the victim's phone numbers and details of the calls they had made and received in the days leading up to the atrocity.

    A source said: 'This investigator is used by a lot of journalists in America and he recently told me that he was asked to hack into the 9/11 victims' private phone data. He said that the journalists asked him to access records showing the calls that had been made to and from the mobile phones belonging to the victims and their *relatives.

    'His presumption was that they wanted the information so they could hack into the *relevant voicemails, just like it has been shown they have done in the UK. The PI said he had to turn the job down. He knew how insensitive such research would be, and how bad it would look.

    'The investigator said the *journalists seemed particularly interested in getting the phone records belonging to the British victims of the attacks.'
    If it is true it'll be interesting to see how FoxNews tries to "spin" it.
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    This story is now REALLY starting to snowball:

    News International Papers Targetted Gordon Brown

    • Scotland Yard has discovered references to both Brown and his wife, Sarah, in paperwork seized from Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who specialised in phone hacking for the News of the World;
    • Abbey National bank found suggestion that a "blagger" acting for the Sunday Times on six occasions posed as Brown and gained details from his account;
    • Brown's London lawyers, Allen & Overy, were tricked into handing over details from his file by a conman working for the Sunday Times;
    • Details from his infant son's medical records were obtained by the Sun, who published a story about the child's serious illness.
    This was while Mr Brown was the Prime Minister.

    I'm no lawyer, but impersonating, and obtaining personal details belonging to the PM has got to come close to espionage, on top of the more obvious charges of fraud, deception, etc..

    And we're still at the tip of the iceberg.
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      the giuy who exposed the phone tapping scandal is now dead how suspicious is that , the brits should use Scotland yard to investigate this scandal . the internal political structure and too corrupt and bureaucratic
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    Now the investors are angry at News Corp...

    Shareholder Lawsuit: Phone-Hacking Scandal Damaged News Corp.'s Image

    Full story here...

    Shareholder Lawsuit: Phone-Hacking Scandal Damaged News Corp.'s Image | Media Matters for America
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    Rupert Murdoch, News Corp Drop Bid For BSkyB:

    Story here...

    Rupert Murdoch, News Corp Drop Bid For BSkyB
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    As mentioned previously, Australian Greens Party leader, Senator Bob Brown is ramping up calls for an inquiry into the media in Australia.

    It should be noted that Newscorp controls 70% of the newspapers in Australia. Irrespective of their political leaning, that much control of the media is a blight on the democratic process.

    Brown presses for Australian media inquiry - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Keith Olbermann, who was once employed by a Newscorp subsidiary, gives a fascinating insight into how Newscorp works. Before anyone makes a comment about Mr Olbermann, there is absolutely no political content in this video. It should be of interest though to baseball fans.

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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As mentioned previously, Australian Greens Party leader, Senator Bob Brown is ramping up calls for an inquiry into the media in Australia.

      It should be noted that Newscorp controls 70% of the newspapers in Australia. Irrespective of their political leaning, that much control of the media is a blight on the democratic process.

      Brown presses for Australian media inquiry - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

      Keith Olbermann, who was once employed by a Newscorp subsidiary, gives a fascinating insight into how Newscorp works. Before anyone makes a comment about Mr Olbermann, there is absolutely no political content in this video. It should be of interest though to baseball fans.

      ‪Countdown with Keith Olbermann 07-12-2011 6 - Inside the Foxhole‬‏ - YouTube
      Olbermann has always reminded me of a guy that has a set of huevos and keeps getting fired for it. More power to him.

      Now I have to go look up what he said about O'Reilly, whom I freakin despise with a passion.


      thanks for posting this, I missed it.
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        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Olbermann has always reminded me of a guy that has a set of huevos and keeps getting fired for it. More power to him.

        Now I have to go look up what he said about O'Reilly, whom I freakin despise with a passion.


        thanks for posting this, I missed it.
        My fantasy is to see Olbermann and O'Reilly in an MMA cage fight. I'd pay good money to see that fight.

        (My money's on Olbermann)
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As mentioned previously, Australian Greens Party leader, Senator Bob Brown is ramping up calls for an inquiry into the media in Australia.

      It should be noted that Newscorp controls 70% of the newspapers in Australia. Irrespective of their political leaning, that much control of the media is a blight on the democratic process.

      Brown presses for Australian media inquiry - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

      Keith Olbermann, who was once employed by a Newscorp subsidiary, gives a fascinating insight into how Newscorp works. Before anyone makes a comment about Mr Olbermann, there is absolutely no political content in this video. It should be of interest though to baseball fans.

      ‪Countdown with Keith Olbermann 07-12-2011 6 - Inside the Foxhole‬‏ - YouTube

      That's quite a mouthful to spill publicly but with the documented track record of News Corps' low journalistic standards I'm not surprised one bit to hear this.

      His "news" organizations are well known - for those that pay attention, for simply making stuff up and feeding it to a emotional, gullible, much less than intellectual audience.


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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Watereverpedia,

    I only have two things to say....

    1. A sale 2 years later does NOT say that K.O.s story was true.
    2. Unfortunately, MOST VERY rich/famous bosses have that said about them. The SAME has happened with ME, the blackmailing, trickery, and termination, though I have NEVER worked for murdoch. There are MANY reasons for that, And I once worked for a company in the midst of being sold. They sent everyone an email saying that we were to say/do NOTHING regarding it. Some such stuff is secret for a REASON.

    BTW I once worked at a bank where the director came in and quickly asked for the name of a person that parked in a space. Upon hearing the name, he told them to call her and have her clear out her desk. She was FIRED! WHY? Because she parked in a handicapped spot. He knew NOTHING about her or her predicament, yet the firing happened THAT quickly.

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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    Rupert Murdoch has finally gotten his just deserts. His 'media' empire has consistently lowered journalistic standards for many years- eg Daily Telegraph here in Australia is an absolute 'rag' as is his Fox new network in the US . Any move to raise standards and stop the spread of Murdochs 'tabloid' journalism has to be for the best
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    Now I have to go look up what he said about O'Reilly, whom I freakin despise with a passion.
    I can deal with O'Reilly. I see him as just a funny, shouty old man.

    Hannity though, is guaranteed to make me throw something at the telly.
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    Now U.S. legislators want more info...

    Senator Jay Rockefeller a democrat, has also called for a probe and when asked about possible legal wrongdoings by NewsCorp.,

    He replied to the effect of,...

    ... yes, I think we'll find some "criminality" there.

    Also...

    Peter King Calls For News Corp. Probe Over Allegations About 9/11 Victims:

    What's interesting is that Mr. King is a republican and is normally on the side of News Corp.


    The blood is in the water...

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      Well, the FBI is investigating News Corp now:

      AP source: FBI investigating News Corp. - Yahoo! News
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Now U.S. legislators want more info...

      Senator Jay Rockefeller a democrat, has also called for a probe and when asked about possible legal wrongdoings by NewsCorp.,

      He replied to the effect of,...

      ... yes, I think we'll find some "criminality" there.

      Also...

      Peter King Calls For News Corp. Probe Over Allegations About 9/11 Victims:

      What's interesting is that Mr. King is a republican and is normally on the side of News Corp.


      The blood is in the water...

      TL
      But I have a feeling King is even more a New Yorker than a Rupert supporter. And if he wants to be reelected, he better be.
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        On July 8th I posted in this thread:

        I keep wondering if the pointing fingers will jump the pond and look at some things in the U.S. as well. Just don't think this one will die quietly.
        as that was my first thought when this fracas began. I'm surprised it took this long for the brouhaha to get here.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        But I have a feeling King is even more a New Yorker than a Rupert supporter. And if he wants to be reelected, he better be.

        Boy, he sure moved fast to make it impossible for a potential political opponent to use his News Corp. ties against him.

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    The story that just keeps on growing:

    Has Roger Ailes Hacked American Phones for Fox News? | The Nation

    Oh, the irony that Murdoch's empire is being brought to it's knees by good, old fashioned journalism. Nick Davies of the UK's The Guardian newspaper deserves a medal for persisitng with this story as Newscorp shelled out big money to keep it quiet.

    I keep wondering if the pointing fingers will jump the pond and look at some things in the U.S. as well. Just don't think this one will die quietly.
    This was always going to go global due to the global reach that Newscorp (or as it is now being referred to, Newscorpse :p) has.

    Earlier in this thread I predicted that this would grow to be the biggest news story of the year. I stand by that as it continues to escalate.

    Every media outlet that Newscorp has maligned are now getting their revenge, and are loving every minute of it. Schadenfreude on steroids.

    And in breaking news:

    Rupert and James Murdoch will now appear before a Parliamentary Committee after first declining to do so due to it clashing with their busy schedules.

    Someone should remind the Murdoch's that the last person to defy Parliament was Charles I of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia who had his head removed for doing so.
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      That article is a movie of the week as it is, and a crackup.
      Before anyone 'flames' for that statement.
      The snowball that we are seeing started long ago...to me this is inevitable.
      And the tip of a much larger iceberg.
      "Absolute power, corrupts absolutely" There is too much power in this technology today and you just know someone is going to abuse it.
      Unfortunately you can't get the Genie back in the bottle.


      "Ailes created an in-house research unit--known at Fox News as the 'brain room'--that requires special security clearance to gain access. 'The brain room is where Willie Horton comes from,' says Cooper, who helped design its specs. `It's where the evil resides.' "
      LoL

      "It is becoming increasingly clear this scandal was not perpetrated by a few rogue reporters, but was systematically orchestrated at the highest levels of News Corp.," says CREW executive director Melanie Sloan.
      That's a pretty big statement.


      "Given the ever-increasing number of Murdoch publications involved, combined with the allegation that News Corp. journalists sought access to the voicemails of 9/11 victims and their families, America cannot leave this investigation entirely to the British."
      Here comes Uncle Sam.

      I happen to think the British are very good at investigative journalism.
      Once you get em going on something.


      I would bet there are people around the globe, chomping at the bit to get in on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Breaking News:

    Rebekah Brooks has resigned and this time her resignation has been accepted. Rebekah Brooks's resignation letter | Media | guardian.co.uk

    That now leaves her free to spill the beans, and to cover her backside, she no doubt will.
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    A quick overview on the size and scope of Murdoch's empire:

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Careful what you wish for. That article didn't really say anything anyway. few sacred cows, WHO ARE THEY KIDDING! There may be more now than ever before! And they DON'T care about the 9/11 people unless it suits them. People like van jones make that clear! And HE represents some "sacred cows" HIMSELF! One just trumped the others, that's all.

    Oh well, people act like fox is IT. I was reading just a couple days ago about how an upstart has quickly become #2, right behind fox. And the market has to go SOMEWHERE, and the one thing we know is that it WON'T go in the other direction.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think the people on MSNBC more than balance the Fox folks. I've been amazed at how far some of those people will go to push their opinions as news.

      ...and even more amazed that people would think talking heads are "reporters" on any of those shows.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        That article didn't really say anything anyway.
        If I wanted an honest view of any topic - the two rags I would immediately discount are The Nation and The Weekly Standard. They sort of cancel each other out.:rolleyes:
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        Sure, MSNBC is biased, but they usually stick to the facts pretty well and don't just make stuff up like Foxnews.
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think the people on MSNBC more than balance the Fox folks.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think the people on MSNBC more than balance the Fox folks. I've been amazed at how far some of those people will go to push their opinions as news.

        ...and even more amazed that people would think talking heads are "reporters" on any of those shows.
        The opinion shows are supposed to be at night on MSNBC, Fox and CNN.

        The people on MSNBC during the day are straight down the middle but starting at 5pm, that's when the "opinion" shows come on and it makes a sharp turn to the left.

        CNN leans neither way during the day and neither way during the night.

        Fox, on the other hand is semi right-wing during the day and pure right-wing starting at about 5pm.

        There is no comparison as Fox has a well-earned reputation of out right making stuff up and feeding it to their audience.

        Media Matters for America catalogs Fox's misdeeds.

        Yeh they're bias and yeh they also have plenty of proof of Fox's journalistic misdeeds of making stuff up.

        A couple of polls have been done and Fox viewers are the least informed of the 3 cable networks regarding basic agreed on political & material facts.

        Jon Stewert also has a good time making fun of Fox and their brand of journalism.

        All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I think this Carl Bernstein sums up very well what Murdoch has done to the British press and press around the world during the past fifty years. There is already something worse than the Sun and it is called the Daily Star. But the British gutter press would probably not have dropped to such low standards if Murdoch had not been around in the first place.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I have this icy feeling that a good impartial investigation would find that there are people in politics who had some private interests in the hacking that Murdock was doing.

    I also feel that these papers wouldn't exist if people would quit buying them. The fact that those rags had so many readers is what I find scary and revolting in the first place. Where are our heads at? This crap isn't news and it's not entertainment.

    We look at crap like this and point to the corporate ownership and the corruption, yet we put news on the TV every day that is CORPORATE. Why are people not getting the connection yet? It's not just the rags - it's every corporate owned news outlet. I turned down a journalism job at a large newspaper in 87 - it was already corporate owned and you wouldn't believe the stuff reporters weren't allowed to report.

    It's hard enough to get unbiased news from a free press -- news of significance with no self-interested slant is non-existent in the corporate news world. That used to be one of the first lessons you learned in school. I guess they don't teach that one anymore -- but there aren't many non-corporate news sources any more, either.

    I feel very strongly that if all corporate news centers were investigated, there would be stories akin to this one becoming so prevalent that it could actually do us the good and wonder of toppling corporate news and return us to a free press. Manipulation is only possible until those manipulated figure out the game.

    Once a few politicians become implicated in this one, the investigations are going to start uncovering crap you wouldn't even believe behind all of the corporate news stations.

    So - I'm just going to sit back and watch the dominoes fall. I always liked that game.
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    I think what is particularly galling for people in the UK is that you have got a foreigner exerting undue influence on their press and politics.

    If Murdoch did not become a naturalized US citizen (he had to), you would probably feel the same about his network in the US, in particular the FOX network. Just imagine what if would be like if a Chinese press tycoon buys a major news network here and use it to broadcast out left wing opinions.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Many of us do feel the same even if he did become a naturalized citizen.
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      I think what is particularly galling for people in the UK is that you have got a foreigner exerting undue influence on their press and politics.

      If Murdoch did not become a naturalized US citizen (he had to), you would probably feel the same about his network in the US, in particular the FOX network. Just imagine what if would be like if a Chinese press tycoon buys a major news network here and use it to broadcast out left wing opinions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sure, MSNBC is biased, but they usually stick to the facts pretty well and don't just make stuff up like Foxnews.
        You must be watching at different times than I have - let's not go into the political area of news.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I think what is particularly galling for people in the UK is that you have got a foreigner exerting undue influence on their press and politics.

      If Murdoch did not become a naturalized US citizen (he had to), you would probably feel the same about his network in the US, in particular the FOX network. Just imagine what if would be like if a Chinese press tycoon buys a major news network here and use it to broadcast out left wing opinions.
      We have SUCH a great example of how what you say here is HOGWASH! n fact, we have examples on THREE different sides that prove it is HOGWASH! Of course, If *I* started mentioning any of them, I would probably get banned. And CNN isn't balanced AT ALL. In fact, the format of some things they have on makes balance IMPOSSIBLE at the moment. And MSNBC is not really unbalanced during the day. I haven't really tried to determine when the REALLY far left stuff is on.

      As for murdoch becoming a citizen, I doubt he HAD to to have a lot of news empires here. There may be some rules regarding percentage ownership, etc... but the US tends to have FAR fewer restrictions than anyone else. A canadian could own US real estate. A mexican could. I don't know about canada, but mexico has laws against foreigners owning realestate. Canada probably does ALSO!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Derek - a lot of our news is owned by major conglomerates and there are all sorts of non-American citizens running the show. It's the same with any Corporation. Look at Monsanto - who "owns" the company is whoever has the most money into it and whoever sits in the boardroom - and that isn't a matter of national affiliation, it's a matter of wealth. Once a corporation gets rich enough there usually isn't much nationalism to it any more, it's an entity that exists to give the owners, no matter what nationality, more benefits. We might be looking at Murdock in all of this mess, but nobody is mentioning who the major stockholders are or who all sits in the boardroom.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Sal, I just feel that private citizens of one country should not exert undue influence on the politics of another country. This includes political donations as well as influence through the media. I am not against foreign ownership of media in principle as long as the owners do not dabble excessively in the editorial policy and the political orientation.

    I have my own extremely tiny example. I used to own a Google Newsl blog called watchingthewatchers.org It was sold to me by a person who worked at rawstory. It was a well known left wing US blog that was very anti-Bush and anti-Iraq point. I left the posting entirely to existing editors and not once did I make a single post on US affairs. When I sold the blog later for a profit of $1000, I gave all the advertising revenue away to the main users. I also requested that the new buyer keep the existing editors.

    Steve, I am not sure what you mean. There are very few people from the UK commenting on this thread. But the chances that they would agree that Murdoch has got too much power and influence in the UK.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Sal, I just feel that private citizens of one country should not exert undue influence on the politics of another country. This includes political donations as well as influence through the media. I am not against foreign ownership of media in principle as long as the owners do not dabble excessively in the editorial policy and the political orientation.

      I have my own extremely tiny example. I used to own a Google Newsl blog called watchingthewatchers.org It was sold to me by a person who worked at rawstory. It was a well known left wing US blog that was very anti-Bush and anti-Iraq point. I left the posting entirely to existing editors and not once did I make a single post on US affairs. When I sold the blog later for a profit of $1000, I gave all the advertising revenue away to the main users. I also requested that the new buyer keep the existing editors.

      Steve, I am not sure what you mean. There are very few people from the UK commenting on this thread. But the chances that they would agree that Murdoch has got too much power and influence in the UK.
      OH, I'm sure they WOULD! OBVIOUSLY, there are people HERE that say the SAME thing in the US! But NO, I was simply saying that you were wrong about the nationality of the owner having much perception on the view of the news. GRANTED, if the owner were from soviet russia, for example, and the bent of the media seemed to be very communist, it MIGHT be blamed on the owner, but I'm sure you can see the difference!

      HECK, there are people here that may NEVER have been to a communist country, were born HERE, have a communist bent, and things are judged based on THAT! Again, REASONABLE, even if others with such a bent may disagree.

      And CLEARLY, a person that meets certain criteria, and becomes a citizen,is NOT going to find that it plays a big part in the perception of them. In some cases, the criteria are NON EXISTENT! If someone gets in based on the lottery, or because of persecution, why should anyone give it any weight? Contrary to the news, there are a LOT of ways to become a US citizen. MOST DO require money and/or time and/or skills. Sometimes the money is just to pay for something like college.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Fox News viewers are easily the most misinformed of all 3 cable networks.

    The only people that don't know it are those that have not been paying attention, don't want to pay attention and regular Fox viewers.

    University of Maryland study...

    Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid | | AlterNet
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    LB, have you LOOKED at that "study"?

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...c10_quaire.pdf

    Forgetting that a lot is OPINION, and they say it is about 50/50 republican/democrat....

    ORIGINAL SAMPLE!
    848 (with a claimed 3.4% error
    Accepted sample 64%=~543(542.72)

    Last vote REP 31%=~168
    Last vote DEM 28%=~152
    OTHER 4% (31+28+4=63%)(About 1% seem to be missing!)

    Unable to vote
    REP 11%=~34
    DEM 15%=~46
    OTHER 11% (11+15+11=37% what gives)

    SYMPATHETIC of tea party!?!?
    52%=~282

    Viewers of once a week or more:


    NETTV: 62%
    PER: 55%
    FOX: 46%
    CNN: 35%
    NPR: 28%
    MSNBC: 28%
    BLOGS: 9%

    I would LOVE to say more, but politics you know.....

    But this was a SMALL sample, POORLY done, and the fact that fox was roughly half, it made the sample all the smaller. AND, you are FORCED to ignore the two other groups of info that they saw.

    BTW an interesting thing. Did I mention that I know some of a certain group, and my father knows a lot more, that ate crow? They aren't so stuck in their ways anymore. And one person that was often quoted as lending support had an ULTERIOR MOTIVE for saying what he did. OHIWICSM! WHO KNOWS though? He just MIGHT be in the mood to buy a news empire.

    And based on my experience of late, and what my father told me yesterday. His wifes business is driven by the economy, and has slowed down a lot. I don't see jobs really being created. The shutdown of the shuttle COST about 10,000 jobs.

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      And based on my experience of late, and what my father told me yesterday. His wifes business is driven by the economy, and has slowed down a lot. I don't see jobs really being created. The shutdown of the shuttle COST about 10,000 jobs.

      Steve
      Private sector jobs have risen. NASA is gov jobs and it's gov jobs that have been in decline. You can't cut the federal budget and NOT cut federal jobs.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Private sector jobs have risen. NASA is gov jobs and it's gov jobs that have been in decline. You can't cut the federal budget and NOT cut federal jobs.
        On that last point at least, you are partially right. Just getting rid of the ridiculous pensions would be a BIG cut in the budget without cutting ANY jobs. At least one person went n record as saying that he is overpaid. His pay is only a small amount of the budget set aside for him.

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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Derek/Steve

          I am English and so will tell you what I think about a foreigner such as Murdoch owning many of our newspapers......................I don't.

          I actually don't hear anyone getting riled over this fact, even now.

          As Steve has written maybe if he was from China and the papers were all left leaning we may say something, but when US, Canadian (Conrad Black also in jail who owned the Telegraph) Australians, New Zealanders own something here I don't think people give it as much thought.

          The issue in the UK is that the press have great influence over our politicians, I think greater then in the US who are more influenced by Lobby groups (Am I correct in thinking this?)

          In the House of Commons last week all 3 main party leaders acknowledged this fact that they allowed the Press to get above themselves because they were too inclined to 'Get into bed' with the press.

          The only good thing is that this desparation to woo the media moguls and turn a blind eye will stop. (for all of 6 months I'm sure)

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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            Derek/Steve

            I am English and so will tell you what I think about a foreigner such as Murdoch owning many of our newspapers......................I don't.

            I actually don't hear anyone getting riled over this fact, even now.

            As Steve has written maybe if he was from China and the papers were all left leaning we may say something, but when US, Canadian (Conrad Black also in jail who owned the Telegraph) Australians, New Zealanders own something here I don't think people give it as much thought.

            The issue in the UK is that the press have great influence over our politicians, I think greater then in the US who are more influenced by Lobby groups (Am I correct in thinking this?)


            In the House of Commons last week all 3 main party leaders acknowledged this fact that they allowed the Press to get above themselves because they were too inclined to 'Get into bed' with the press.

            The only good thing is that this desperation to woo the media moguls and turn a blind eye will stop. (for all of 6 months I'm sure)

            Dan
            On this side of the pond News Corps' political friends are all on one side of the isle.

            I doubt if anyone can dispute that.


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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              On this side of the pond News Corps' political friends are all on one side of the isle.TL
              Exactly the same thing Down Under.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              On this side of the pond News Corps' political friends are all on one side of the isle.

              I doubt if anyone can dispute that.


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              Well, they do have SOME friends on the other side of the isle, even if they may not be GREAT friends. And some on THEIR side may be upset with them. HECK, there was a STUPID move made by someone on "their side of the aisle" recently, and some say that if he has his way it could undo the whole party. I'm sure FOX would be against him as well.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            Derek/Steve

            I am English and so will tell you what I think about a foreigner such as Murdoch owning many of our newspapers......................I don't.

            I actually don't hear anyone getting riled over this fact, even now.

            As Steve has written maybe if he was from China and the papers were all left leaning we may say something, but when US, Canadian (Conrad Black also in jail who owned the Telegraph) Australians, New Zealanders own something here I don't think people give it as much thought.

            The issue in the UK is that the press have great influence over our politicians, I think greater then in the US who are more influenced by Lobby groups (Am I correct in thinking this?)

            In the House of Commons last week all 3 main party leaders acknowledged this fact that they allowed the Press to get above themselves because they were too inclined to 'Get into bed' with the press.

            The only good thing is that this desparation to woo the media moguls and turn a blind eye will stop. (for all of 6 months I'm sure)

            Dan
            THAT is what I am talking about. You don't care who they are, you just care if they are an undue influence that adversly affects your society, etc... If they were your beloved mother, or some stranger from another planet, what matters is what they do and it's effect, NOT who they are.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Can you give me the percentage of the budget that's pensions? And does your idea include military pensions as well?
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Well, with guys STARTING at $100K+/year, and getting multiple pensions that are a VERY high percentage, you can bet that just counting those at the very top of the three branches is many BILLIONs per year. Add in the rest, and it probably IS at least a trillion. And most of those in the military DON'T get real high salaries, and take great risks, and I'm sure the pensions are NOWHERE near as good, so they should be left alone.

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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                In other words, you are just guessing and don't have any actual facts.
                At the rate they change, I doubt even the GOVERNMENT has real stats. But who cares if it is a trillion dollars a year, 2 trillion, or only $500,000,000,000 ! The PRIVATE sector gets paid less, and THEY generally DON'T have pensions. Why not bring some fairness back into things ESPECIALLY when the public sector charges affect the private sector.

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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  At the rate they change, I doubt even the GOVERNMENT has real stats. But who cares if it is a trillion dollars a year, 2 trillion, or only $500,000,000,000 ! The PRIVATE sector gets paid less, and THEY generally DON'T have pensions. Why not bring some fairness back into things ESPECIALLY when the public sector charges affect the private sector.

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                  Is this in any way relevant to the topic of this thread?
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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          On that last point at least, you are partially right. Just getting rid of the ridiculous pensions would be a BIG cut in the budget without cutting ANY jobs. At least one person went n record as saying that he is overpaid. His pay is only a small amount of the budget set aside for him.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Can you give me the percentage of the budget that's pensions? And does your idea include military pensions as well?
            Well, with guys STARTING at $100K+/year, and getting multiple pensions that are a VERY high percentage, you can bet that just counting those at the very top of the three branches is many BILLIONs per year. Add in the rest, and it probably IS at least a trillion. And most of those in the military DON'T get real high salaries, and take great risks, and I'm sure the pensions are NOWHERE near as good, so they should be left alone.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post


      Big Red...

      Isn't she the number 2 man in the Murdock empire right behind Murdock's son???

      That's quite a development.

      All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Big Red...

        Isn't she the number 2 man in the Murdock empire right behind Murdock's son???

        That's quite a development.

        All The Best!!

        TL
        Yep. She is, sorry was, the CEO of News International, Newcorp's UK/European arm, and was editor of NOTW when most of the hacking was going on. James Murdoch is the Chairman of NewsInt.

        I've been following developments from the UK (via Twitter), and half the stories claim that Brooks will take the fall to protect the Murdoch's, in return for a "nice nest egg" from them.

        The other half are claiming that, in return for lenient treatment, she will spill the beans on everything and everyone, including the Murdoch's, the police and politicians.

        There is also a lot of chatter flying around Twitter that James Murdoch himself is just about to "feel the long arm of the law".

        This story ain't over by a long shot. There are still follow ups in Australia and the US to come.

        Watch this space.
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          She already has the nice nest egg. £3.5 million is her severance pay.

          Also this:

          Phone hacking: Murdoch empire must be broken up, says Ed Miliband - Telegraph

          When a bandwagon starts to roll it really gets going.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Looks to me like this is becoming a media driven event just like DSK and Anthony, etc.

            When the FACTS are out - we'll know what's up.
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              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Looks to me like this is becoming a media driven event just like DSK and Anthony, etc.
              No, this is nothing like either of those two events.

              Those events are a prime example of the dumbing down of the media, particularly by the media outlets controlled by Murdoch. They are presented as distractions away from what is really important, and are only of importance to a voyeuristic, and low-brow audience.

              This case has everything that good journalism is supposed to be about.

              An organization that considered itself above the law, because of the power it held over both law enforcers and lawmakers, is having the spotlight thrown onto the dark recesses of the way it works.

              The rich and powerful being held to account.

              One man (Nick Davies of The Guardian), persisting while everyone else is distracted by the "shiny objects" of the antics of Lady GaGa, Lindsey Lohan and the like.

              Finally a breakthrough which brings the whole house of cards crashing down.

              The very epitome of what journalism once was, and what it should be.

              This story has the potential to topple a government. It is the British equivalent of Watergate.

              At the moment its focus is on the UK, but it's ramifications will be felt on four continents, Europe, North America, Australia and Asia.

              Newscorp has cable/satelite TV concerns in all of those places, and if the Chairman, or any of it's high level officers are charged and convicted, it is going to completely reshape the media landscape in all of them.

              It may also remind the media that news does not consist of regurgitating press releases. celebrity gossip or the opinions of the presenters.

              It may already have done that.
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                This story has the potential to topple a government. It is the British equivalent of Watergate.
                Possibly.

                Possibly not quite.

                The government-in-situ at the time of most (not quite all, admittedly) of the relevant circumstances of this business has already been toppled by the electorate (for unrelated reasons, it must be said).

                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Newscorp has cable/satelite TV concerns in all of those places, and if the Chairman, or any of it's high level officers are charged and convicted, it is going to completely reshape the media landscape in all of them.
                Well, again, possibly. But we may be a long way from that.

                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                It may also remind the media that news does not consist of regurgitating press releases. celebrity gossip or the opinions of the presenters.

                It may already have done that.
                Yes, I think so. At least to some extent.
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  Possibly.

                  Possibly not quite.

                  The government-in-situ at the time of most (not quite all, admittedly) of the relevant circumstances of this business has already been toppled by the electorate (for unrelated reasons, it must be said).
                  Good point Alexa. Most of these events did take place under Blair/Brown.

                  However given that former NOTW editor Andy Coulson is one of Cameron's senior advisors, Cameron has been dragged into the story. Plus there's the apparent friendship between Cameron and Brooks.

                  You can bet that the Opposition is looking for anything and everything they can to use against him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Snowball is a good word for this.

    Who knew it would be Rupert Murdoch and not Mayan UFO's to bring an end to civilization as we know it.

    Huh....go figure.



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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    At lunchtime on the ASX (Australian Securities Exchange) shares in Newscorp (NWS) are down 6.9%. Losses since July 6 now total 19.8%.

    There are still 4 hours of trading left on the ASX. After that London is open for trading, and then NewYork.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Well, no one likes a good scandal as much as News Corp.

    LOL...

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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Thing with NOTW was that if there were no scandals kicking about they just invented them, then made them happen, and then splashed it across their front pages as a world exclusive.

      eg They exclusively revealed how John Higgins the snooker player took a bribe.

      The guy had never taken a bribe in his life until they decided to pose as some businessman, got him to a hotel and offered him one.

      They did the same with The Duchess of York and with The Duchess of Wessex (Prince Andrews and Prince Edwards wives)

      They created the story and then ran it.

      Newspapers used to just report the news (bit of naivity on my part perhaps )

      I'm wondering about when David Beckham and his wife and kids were going to be kidnapped about 10 years or so ago in London.

      It was the NOTW that had the exclusive story. They had managed to infiltarate the gang (don't bother letting the police know about it) who they heard of from the one and only witness whom they had paid money to. Several times in the past as well for other dodgy stories.

      The case collapsed in court because of this. The 'gang' are probably still wondering what it was all about.

      Dan

      PS: To be fair to Murdoch, he does also own The Times and they don't behave like this. Quite the opposite. He just knows his markets and NOTW was more for sport coverage than people really wanting the news.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    We are now left to wonder whether Mr. Murdoch will be forced to make an...

    ... "Abraham-like"...

    ... sacrifice and abandon his son James, the former heir apparent.


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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Update (from BBC News):

    Met Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates has quit after growing pressure amid the News of the World phone-hacking scandal.
    (He is the second senior Met officer to resign over the past 24 hours.)
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Rupert Murdoch Facing Possible U.S. Prosecution Over Jude Law Hacking Claim:

    A claim by Jude Law could bring Rupert Murdoch a whole new American headache.

    The actor is alleging that the News of the World--the now-shuttered tabloid whose industrial-scale hacking operation has plunged Murdoch's News Corp into its deepest-ever crisis--illegally listened to his voicemails while he was in the United States, according to a report in the Daily Mail.

    I pray it's the U.S. smoking gun.

    full story here...

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    I really have to wonder how many people are going to be paid to suddenly discover they have been spied on.

    Funny how they emphasis "in the States"

    He has plenty of enemies that would like to see him crash and burn, I'm sure.
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      I really have to wonder how many people are going to be paid to suddenly discover they have been spied on.

      Funny how they emphasis "in the States"

      He has plenty of enemies that would like to see him crash and burn, I'm sure.
      You better believe it.


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      I heard this a little while ago on the radio.

      I don't think it is anything more than coincidence.

      It will more than likely be on all the front pages tomorrow though, the day Murdoch et al are in the House for the Select Committee, so irrespective I think Murdoch is finished in the UK now.

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    Sean Hoare's death may not have been suspicious. From Nick Davies:

    In the end, his body would not take it any more. He said he started to have fits, that his liver was in such a terrible state that a doctor told him he must be dead. And, as his health collapsed, he was sacked by the News of the World - by his old friend Coulson.

    When he spoke out about the voicemail hacking, some Conservative MPs were quick to smear him, spreading tales of his drug use as though that meant he was dishonest. He was genuinely offended by the lies being told by News International and always willing to help me and other reporters who were trying to expose the truth. He was equally offended when Scotland Yard's former assistant commissioner, John Yates, assigned officers to interview him, not as a witness but as a suspect. They told him anything he said could be used against him, and, to his credit, he refused to have anything to do with them.

    His health never recovered. He liked to say that he had stopped drinking, but he would treat himself to some red wine. He liked to say he didn't smoke any more, but he would stop for a cigarette on his way home. For better and worse, he was a Fleet Street man.
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    Hmmm.

    9.50pm: Detectives are examining a computer, paperwork and a phone found in a bin near the riverside London home of Rebekah Brooks, the former chief executive of News International.

    The Guardian has learned that a bag containing the items was found in an underground car park in the Design Centre at the exclusive Chelsea Harbour development on Monday afternoon.

    My colleague Amelia Hill reports:
    The car park, under a shopping centre, is yards from the gated apartment block where Brooks lives with her husband, a former racehorse trainer and close friend of the prime minister David Cameron.

    It is understood the bag was handed into security at around 3pm and that shortly afterwards, Brooks's husband, Charlie, arrived and tried to reclaim it. He was unable to prove the bag was his and the security guard refused to release it.

    Instead, it is understood that the security guard called the police. In less than half an hour, two marked police cars and an unmarked forensics car are said to have arrived at the scene.
    From The Guardian's live blog:
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    I have a question...Wouldn't hacking into the Prime Minister's phone accounts be considered espionage? I'd consider it espionage if someone hacked into the US president's phone messages.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I have a question...Wouldn't hacking into the Prime Minister's phone accounts be considered espionage? I'd consider it espionage if someone hacked into the US president's phone messages.
      That's exactly the point I made earlier in this thread. Not only hacking into his phone, but accessing his taxation, bank accounts and medical records.

      The News Of The World ran a story when then Prime Minister, Gordon Brown's son was diagnosed with having cystic fibrosis, the details of which were obtained by hacking.

      There's more on that story here: Gordon Brown condemns 'disgusting work' of News International journalists | Media | The Guardian
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    In the US:

    The US attorney general, Eric Holder, has confirmed that a preliminary investigation is under way into News Corporation's activities.
    News Corp faces global investigation into bribery | Media | The Guardian

    And in Australia:

    “The AFP is evaluating referrals to determine any jurisdictional issues or offences under Australian law.”
    Australian Federal Police evaluating a criminal investigation into News Corporation. | Kangaroo Court of Australia

    In both cases the investigations are in reference to "bribing a foreign official", a crime in both countries.

    And here is Rebekah Brooks admitting that money was paid to UK police to obtain information.

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    In a sidenote, it has been noted on Twitter that Rebekah Brooks bears an uncanny resemblance to Simpsons character Sideshow Bob.
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    You seem to be on top of this whatever...I just heard a report (on CNN) that ole Rupert may be stepping down as CEO.
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      You seem to be on top of this whatever...I just heard a report (on CNN) that ole Rupert may be stepping down as CEO.
      Newscorp shares were up over 2% on the ASX today based on that rumour. Whether it's true or not, only time will tell. It looks like being a short time though.

      Apparently the Board of Newscorp has released a statement saying that "Mr Murdoch has the full support of the Board at this stage", which sounds like a death warrant to me.

      Watch this space.

      For those with nothing better to do, grab some popcorn and tune into BBC World News which is showing the Parliamentary hearing live. For fellow Aussies, it will also be shown on the ABC24 channel. Check your local carrier for details. It starts in about 4 and a half hours from the time of this post.
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    Today's committee hearings (all times BST/GMT+1):
    • 1200: Home Affairs Committee to hear from Sir Paul Stephenson (underway as I type this)
    • ~1315: John Yates to appear before Home Affairs Committee
    • 1430: Culture, media and sport committee to question Rupert and James Murdoch
    • 1530: Committee to question Rebekah Brooks
    • 1730: Home Affairs Committee to question director of public prosecutions Kier Starmer
    • 1800: His predecessor Lord Macdonald to appear
    • 1820: Mark Lewis, the solicitor representing the Dowler family, will face questions
    Currently streamable through BBC iPlayer (theoretically accessible via UK proxy/VPN for those elsewhere ) on the BBC News channel.
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Hopefully a smoking gun emerges...
      Yup ... although I'm not sure if any of this is being conducted under oath.

      So my guess is, unless they really pressure the crap out of the Murdochs and Brooks (and that probably won't happen - they'll have their lawyers present, surely?), they'll not be revealing too much, and might even just remain silent in response to some questions. Especially as Rebekah Brooks apparently "landed herself in hot water" a little bit during a 2003 committee hearing.

      I think the real revelations will only surface during the course of the judicial inquiry, and nothing significant will come of today's hearings.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Just heard Geoffrey Robertson QC say on ABC Lateline news show, that "If Mr Murdoch answers any questions with 'I can't answer that in case I incriminate myself' the Newscorp share price will go into freefall, as that implies he has behaved illegally".

    You can watch the reaction to Murdoch's answers on Newscorp's share price here:News Corporation: NASDAQ:NWSA quotes & news - Google Finance

    The hearing can be watched online here: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Pl...meetingId=8917

    So far all the police being questioned have employed the Sgt Schultz defense: "I know nuuuthing".
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Just heard Geoffrey Robertson QC say on ABC Lateline news show, that "If Mr Murdoch answers any questions with 'I can't answer that in case I incriminate myself' the Newscorp share price will go into freefall, as that implies he has behaved illegally".

      You can watch the reaction to Murdoch's answers on Newscorp's share price here:News Corporation: NASDAQ:NWSA quotes & news - Google Finance
      Ahhh ... I didn't consider this. Good thinking. Should be fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    For those interested, the #hackgate feed on Twitter is both informative and hilarious at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Their gettin a dose of reality they haven't seen in a while.

    Demonstrator tries to get to Murdoch at hearings

    The pieman cometh...






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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Their gettin a dose of reality they haven't seen in a while.

      Demonstrator tries to get to Murdoch at hearings

      The pieman cometh...
      I just saw this. ROFL. Almost fell off my seat.

      The dude's probably going to find himself in a lot of trouble for his little stunt. Probably more, somewhat ironically, than the Murdochs are.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        What I find disgusting is that all three cable news networks are running the "hearing" from the UK as programming.

        You can almost see the "media heads" planning. MSNBC will run anything that might discredit FOX - CNN will run to compete with MSNBC - and FOX has to run it then or they might look "biased".

        I have absolutely no interest in watching the hearings - to me this is a fascinating story of powerful people and those that suck up to them and take money from them - but it doesn't affect me or my life. I'd like to see some "NEWS" today.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          What I find disgusting is that all three cable news networks are running the "hearing" from the UK as programming.

          You can almost see the "media heads" planning. MSNBC will run anything that might discredit FOX - CNN will run to compete with MSNBC - and FOX has to run it then or they might look "biased".

          I have absolutely no interest in watching the hearings - to me this is a fascinating story of powerful people and those that suck up to them and take money from them - but it doesn't affect me or my life. I'd like to see some "NEWS" today.

          Fat chance!
          What's a hotter news story of the day????

          And why wouldn't CNN show the hearings to discredit FOX also????

          With FOX's track record of things like...

          - putting a "D" instead of what should be an "R" in front a politician accused of wrongdoing.

          They've been busted at least 3 times doing it.


          - Using the wrong footage when a political rally bombs and does not draw a large amount of people.


          They've been busted at least 2 times doing that.


          I'm surprised Fox would show the hearings at all.

          The only reason they are showing the hearings at all is because if they don't...

          ... everyone else will scream about it and who knows how many of their regular viewers will somehow hear about it and start to wonder about Fox's whole operation.

          All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Their gettin a dose of reality they haven't seen in a while.

      Demonstrator tries to get to Murdoch at hearings

      The pieman cometh...






      ‪Led Zeppelin - Custard Pie‬‏ - YouTube
      i saw the video on the news, was that even pie? As they were trying to wipe it off themselves (police) and the demonstrator and it looked like it was barely coming off?
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        Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

        i saw the video on the news, was that even pie? As they were trying to wipe it off themselves (police) and the demonstrator and it looked like it was barely coming off?
        I can't wait to see the footage!


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        Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

        i saw the video on the news, was that even pie? As they were trying to wipe it off themselves (police) and the demonstrator and it looked like it was barely coming off?
        Could possibly have been paint, I guess? That wouldn't be too easy to remove. It didn't much look like foam to me, either.

        I'm glad they decided to resume rather than call it a day, anyway. Though I'm a bit bored of Rupert and James. I'd like to see Brooks come on, and am hoping she'll "slip up" again under the pressure of questioning. Though probably won't happen.
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          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Could possibly have been paint, I guess? That wouldn't be too easy to remove. It didn't much look like foam to me, either.

          I'm glad they decided to resume rather than call it a day, anyway. Though I'm a bit bored of Rupert and James. I'd like to see Brooks come on, and am hoping she'll "slip up" again under the pressure of questioning. Though probably won't happen.
          I heard them earlier say they weren't sure if it was a pie or paint, for the reason I mentioned above. I don't think it was paint, but if it was a pie... that was one thick ass sticky pie. He was an idiot though, he more or less nonchalantly walked over and got kung-foo'd by Murdochs wife... if he wanted to do that, he should have bum rushed out of nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    That attack was a bloody stupid thing to do. Now that becomes the story, and suddenly Murdoch gets sympathy. Dickhead.

    BTW the attacker has already been identified via Twitter as Jonnie Marbles of activist group UK Uncut. His final tweet:

    Jonnie Marbles
    It is a far better thing that I do now than I have ever done before #splat
    Dickhead.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      That attack was a bloody stupid thing to do. Now that becomes the story, and suddenly Murdoch get sympathy. Dickhead.

      BTW the attacker has already been identified via Twitter as Jonnie Marbles of activist group UK Uncut. His final tweet:

      Dickhead.

      Murdoch couldn't have had that turn out better for him if he had set it up...(?)

      It was off camera, but it looked like his bodyguard/slash wife, jumped in and...you see her hand go up and then the next shot you see is the assaulter was wearing more pie than the assaultee.

      A definite volleyball kung fu - defense.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      That attack was a bloody stupid thing to do. Now that becomes the story, and suddenly Murdoch get sympathy. Dickhead.

      BTW the attacker has already been identified via Twitter as Jonnie Marbles of activist group UK Uncut. His final tweet:

      Dickhead.
      It may be the story for today maybe two, but the sharks smell blood and are not going to let this thing go.

      And I doubt if Murdoch is getting a lot of sympathy.

      I didn't get a good look at it but it seems to me the attacker sort of tip-toed towards Murdoch instead of running at him full steam.

      If he was more forceful he could have hit paydirt with his stunt.

      I cracked up when I saw the wife take a swat at the attacker.


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    Next up is Sideshow Rebekah.
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    It was off camera, but it looked like his bodyguard/slash wife, jumped in and...you see her hand go up and then the next shot you see is the assaulter was wearing more pie than the assaultee.

    A definite volleyball kung fu - defense
    His wife is rumoured to be starring in a new martial arts blockbuster, "Hidden Tiger, Crouching Wendi"
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    Newspapers all over the World are probably increasing their sales due to this story. Rupert is probably laughing all the way to the bank as all his other newspapers make millions more reporting on all this stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by gforces View Post

      Rupert is probably laughing all the way to the bank as all his other newspapers make millions more reporting on all this stuff.
      The papers owned by Murdoch are suspiciously quiet about this. They all reported the NOTW closing, but didn't go into too much detail about why.

      I notice that the online editions of his Aussie papers all have stories about the pie incident, but not much else about the hearing, just cursory mentions with no detail.

      No-one in the Newscorp empire criticizes Murdoch without becoming unemployed very quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        The papers owned by Murdoch are suspiciously quiet about this. They all reported the NOTW closing, but didn't go into too much detail about why.
        Don't get out much? Corporations, people, etc... at least in the US, are often advised to keep quiet about ongoing litigation. SERIOUSLY, if a person is gettig sued, as a chance of being sued, or any potential prosecution coud occur, ANY lawyer will tell you to "CLAM UP", to the media, etc.... Still, they reported its closing. There is a fair chance they mentioned a relationship. But it is interesting that you didn't mention a spin.

        I notice that the online editions of his Aussie papers all have stories about the pie incident, but not much else about the hearing, just cursory mentions with no detail.
        YEAH, ANOTHER comedian gets his name in the paper for doing something that was almost certainly JUST for publicity. They probably don't want to stray into anything material to the case. Casey anthony probably got off simply because of overzealous reporting.

        No-one in the Newscorp empire criticizes Murdoch without becoming unemployed very quickly.
        I don't know how true that is. One JERK that said HE was fired for simply stating what was currently happening gave some pretty stupid evidence. Be glad WE don't have people like that after us, and/or a court that would listen to such garbage. HECK, we might get convicted of theft every day, even if we never stole a penny.

        Still, MANY will fire you with LESS reason. People have been fired for using the wrong words, and having them misinterpreted, EVEN though the next clause made the meaning clear! They have been fired for talking when silence was demanded, not wearing the right atire, parking in the wrong space, not reporting a loss, using email for personal mail, having a mustache, god I could go on and on! I was EVEN at a place where a person got MANY fired! SOME just for saying the TRUTH! OH, and speaking against HER would get you fired, EVEN though she was a relatively low level consultant. EVEN if you were an employee, you dared not criticize her! Do I like it? NO! Still, it shows that this isn't as unique as some would claim.

        BTW I was at at least 3 places where she was, and she had the same power in ALL of them! I have worked for about 40 companies. I generally just go in, do what is needed, and move on.

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    The one thing that is coming out of these hearings is that despite holding senior positions in the company, neither Mr Burns, Sonny Jim or Sideshow Bek knew a damn thing about how the company operated, or what they were signing cheques for.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      That's what they say anyways. Yesterday Paul McMullan, who worked for NOTW as an editor/journalist, says he thinks James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks did know what was going on:


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      The one thing that is coming out of these hearings is that despite holding senior positions in the company, neither Mr Burns, Sonny Jim or Sideshow Bek knew a damn thing about how the company operated, or what they were signing cheques for.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        That's what they say anyways. Yesterday Paul McMullan, who worked for NOTW as an editor/journalist, says he thinks James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks did know what was going on:

        ‪Paul McMullan - James Murdoch & Rebekah Brooks Did Know About Hacking - NOTW Phone Hacking *NEW*‬‏ - YouTube
        Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they knew every detail.

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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          That's what they say anyways. Yesterday Paul McMullan, who worked for NOTW as an editor/journalist, says he thinks James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks did know what was going on:
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they knew every detail.TL
          I meant to say, the three of them CLAIM to not know what was going on. To not ask for minute details of what you're writing out a cheque for £600,000 for is ludicrous.

          Anyway, Brooks will have her day in court, and the two Murdoch's better not believe that they're out of the woods just yet either.

          This story still has a long way to go yet.
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    Interesting article in the NY Times. It reports that companies owned by News Corp paid $655 million to settle out of court in cases of industrial espionage, which included cases of hacking:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/bu...nt-dispel.html


    In the case of News America Marketing, its obscure but profitable in-store and newspaper insert marketing business, the News Corporation has paid out about $655 million to make embarrassing charges of corporate espionage and anticompetitive behavior go away.
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    This isn't a good look for the police:

    Police chief pressured editor to drop story
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    Jon Stewart: Fox News, 'NY Post' 'Jealous'

    Why???

    They Can't Cover Murdoch Scandal (VIDEO)

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    Parliament Report:

    News International 'Deliberately' Tried To 'Thwart' Phone Hacking Investigation:

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    Current Prime Minister David Cameron's future is looking incredibly shaky for hiring former NOTW editor Andy Coulson as his press advisor.

    Mr Cameron did say that if he knew now what he knew then, Mr Coulson would never have got the job. After all, how could he have known? The crucial information had been tucked away on the front pages of only several newspapers and on the BBC.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Here is an animated take on the incident by NextMedia, a tabloid equivalent of the Sun in Hong Kong and Taiwan. Warning of Nudity in video: Murdoch having sex with Wendi Deng.

    Honestly, I am not sure whether the media is trashier in Britain or Hong Kong.

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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Here is an animated take on the incident by NextMedia, a tabloid equivalent of the Sun in Hong Kong and Taiwan. Warning of Nudity in video: Murdoch having sex with Wendi Deng.

      Honestly, I am not sure whether the media is trashier in Britain or Hong Kong.
      HOW could this be? I though murdoch created the genre when he bought the sun a long time ago, or did he start it? Hey, maybe he has a time machine!

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        HOW could this be? I though murdoch created the genre when he bought the sun a long time ago, or did he start it? Hey, maybe he has a time machine!

        Steve

        Steve, animated news is a new idea that had been set up by a Hong Kong media tycoon called Jimmy Lai. He is now based in Taiwan and his cartoons appear in his tabloids in both Taiwan and Hong Kong. There are ongoing talks of work for major media outlets abroad, including Murdoch's.

        He is no less a controversial figure as Murdoch, but he is mainly regarded as a hero by being a thorn to China, the Hong Kong government, and other tycoons in Hong Kong. There has been attempts to assault and murder him. This was probably why he emigrated to Taiwan.

        The big problem with animated news is the propensity to make up fake news on the spot. Very often, they rely on bad taste to capture the audience. Here is a clip on the Casey Anthony Verdict.


        Here is another that explains the Amazon vs California Sales Tax which I thought was very good.

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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          Steve, animated news is a new idea that had been set up by a Hong Kong media tycoon called Jimmy Lai. He is now based in Taiwan and his cartoons appear in his tabloids in both Taiwan and Hong Kong. There are ongoing talks of work for major media outlets abroad, including Murdoch's.

          He is no less a controversial figure as Murdoch, but he is mainly regarded as a hero by being a thorn to China, the Hong Kong government, and other tycoons in Hong Kong. There has been attempts to assault and murder him. This was probably why he emigrated to Taiwan.

          The big problem with animated news is the propensity to make up fake news on the spot. Very often, they rely on bad taste to capture the audience. Here is a clip on the Casey Anthony Verdict.

          ‪Casey Anthony found NOT guilty‬‏ - YouTube

          Here is another that explains the Amazon vs California Sales Tax which I thought was very good.

          ‪Amazon takes on California over sales tax‬‏ - YouTube
          YEAH, WOW! As bad as Casey was, that video makes it look FAR worse!

          As for the Amazon one, that is GARBAGE!

          It isn't some kind of sales tax for the STATE, as implied. It is for an AREA WITHIN the state. Bezos is right! It IS hard to figure out, and WHAT does he base the tax on? And what if a person has a maildrop in thousand oaks, but they live in encino? As I recall, TO is CHEAPER! ALSO, california told me it was ILLEGAL for me to continue collecting sales tax! YEP, ILLEGAL!!!!!!! To make it legal AGAIN, I had to register as a foreign corporation. A friend of mine did that, and said it is essentially like registering as a california corporation. SAME HASSLES, SAME EXPENSES, SAME PROBLEMS! So is amazon to do that for all 50 states? Do they ALSO have to do it for puertorico, guam, western samoa, etc?

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    Prediction: Americans will soon find out that just about every news organization in the UK is just as bad, if not worse at reporting news than News Corp. Especially on this particular story. With the help of his PR firm, (and the short attention span of MSNBC viewers) Rupert Murdoch will hunker down for a few weeks while this blows over.

    Meanwhile Americans will increasingly be looking for News that leans not so far to the left, and in America they all happen to be owned by Murdoch. Thus making his stock go back to above normal, and making him richer than he was before.

    As much as the left media hates Murdoch, I was surprised to see a Documentary on CNBC last night that made Murdoch look like a hero, for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt. After doing some research I found that the documentary was originally made for and aired on the BBC. But the BBC has purged it's site and youtube of the documentary. Little do they know that there are tons of websites out there that still have the youtube videos embeded in their site. Thus leaving in place of the video a message from youtube saying that the BBC took down their video.

    By the way, look at this piece put out several months ago by Politico and you'll get a better understanding of the vicious lopsidedness of this story...
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Gary, do you really think this all will simply "blow over"? The story has been ongoing for a few years now and now has both the British and US government investigating. I don't think even the best PR firm will make this disappear.

      Plus, exactly what was it that Murdoch did that saved New York from going bankrupt? From what I understand the major reason New York averted bankruptcy was because the city was bailed out by the teachers union which agreed to buy $150 million in municipal bonds. Yes, a union saved the city from bankruptcy.

      By the way, I love Media Matters. That's one war I am 100% in favor of.


      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Prediction: Americans will soon find out that just about every news organization in the UK is just as bad, if not worse at reporting news than News Corp. Especially on this particular story. With the help of his PR firm, (and the short attention span of MSNBC viewers) Rupert Murdoch will hunker down for a few weeks while this blows over.

      Meanwhile Americans will increasingly be looking for News that leans not so far to the left, and in America they all happen to be owned by Murdoch. Thus making his stock go back to above normal, and making him richer than he was before.

      As much as the left media hates Murdoch, I was surprised to see a Documentary on CNBC last night that made Murdoch look like a hero, for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt. After doing some research I found that the documentary was originally made for and aired on the BBC. But the BBC has purged it's site and youtube of the documentary. Little do they know that there are tons of websites out there that still have the youtube videos embeded in their site. Thus leaving in place of the video a message from youtube saying that the BBC took down their video.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        The Unions were the main cause, as proven by the fact that the mess was prevented when they cut their benefits.

        And they wouldn't have even gone for that had it not been for the very straight talk of Ed Koch. And it was the decision of Rupert Murdoch to endorse Ed Koch (liberal democrat by the way) that got him elected. Ed Koch himself says so.

        I'm a believer in the 1st amendment. And thus can not be for a group like Media Matters that so blatantly states their war is to prevent opposing view points from having free speech. To me, Truth Matters... Media is secondary. If you think that your message is the right one, fine put it out there. But no one (in the United States) has the right to stifle an opposing message, no matter how it's delivered.



        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Gary, do you really think this all will simply "blow over"? The story has been ongoing for a few years now and now has both the British and US government investigating. I don't think even the best PR firm will make this disappear.

        Plus, exactly what was it that Murdoch did that saved New York from going bankrupt? From what I understand the major reason New York averted bankruptcy was because the city was bailed out by the teachers union which agreed to buy $150 million in municipal bonds. Yes, a union saved the city from bankruptcy.

        By the way, I love Media Matters. That's one war I am 100% in favor of.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          The Unions were the main cause, as proven by the fact that the mess was prevented when they cut their benefits.

          And they wouldn't have even gone for that had it not been for the very straight talk of Ed Koch. And it was the decision of Rupert Murdoch to endorse Ed Koch (liberal democrat by the way) that got him elected. Ed Koch himself says so.

          I'm a believer in the 1st amendment. And thus can not be for a group like Media Matters that so blatantly states their war is to prevent opposing view points from having free speech. To me, Truth Matters... Media is secondary. If you think that your message is the right one, fine put it out there. But no one (in the United States) has the right to stifle an opposing message, no matter how it's delivered.
          You said...

          I'm a believer in the 1st amendment. And thus can not be for a group like Media Matters that so blatantly states their war is to prevent opposing view points from having free speech. To me, Truth Matters... Media is secondary. If you think that your message is the right one, fine put it out there. But no one (in the United States) has the right to stifle an opposing message, no matter how it's delivered.

          I say...

          Actually their stated mission is to expose & counter right-wing media lies etc.

          They couldn't stop your friends from spreading lies if they tried, but they can expose and counter them.

          BTW, media matters was founded by a reformed conservative who was sick of the lies of the right.

          You should check out his book "Blinded By The Right".


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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            You said...


            I say...

            Actually their stated mission is to expose & counter right-wing media lies etc.

            They couldn't stop your friends from spreading lies if they tried, but they can expose and counter them.

            Ironic - considering it's being run by a guy that has said this in public:

            "I'm coming forward to tell the truth now and the truth is I lied, and it was a terrible lie...so it's perfectly understandable that many people may not know whether to believe me now."

            Oh really - Ya think? lol
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              Ironic - considering it's being run by a guy that has said this in public:

              "I'm coming forward to tell the truth now and the truth is I lied, and it was a terrible lie...so it's perfectly understandable that many people may not know whether to believe me now."

              Oh really - Ya think? lol
              Was that the Anita Hill thing??

              Or ws he talking about the whole conservative thing?

              He lied for your friends but later recanted.

              Oh well, people can change for the better and he did.

              One thing I love about media matters is that they always use their opponents own footage and words against them.

              I invite folks to check the site out at mediamatters.org and see for themselves.


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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post


                One thing I love about media matters is that they always use their opponents own footage and words against them.


                TL
                After they distort it and add their leftist spin to it. Which by the way is in violation of their tax status.

                Here's a great video of Lou Dobbs standing up to the false and biased reporting done by media matters. Ironically he was let go by CNN shortly after this. HMMM - an opposing view being dealt with....


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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Now you're just making stuff up. I'll have to excuse myself from this conversation since you are making this discussion a political one.

          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          The Unions were the main cause, as proven by the fact that the mess was prevented when they cut their benefits.

          And they wouldn't have even gone for that had it not been for the very straight talk of Ed Koch. And it was the decision of Rupert Murdoch to endorse Ed Koch (liberal democrat by the way) that got him elected. Ed Koch himself says so.

          I'm a believer in the 1st amendment. And thus can not be for a group like Media Matters that so blatantly states their war is to prevent opposing view points from having free speech. To me, Truth Matters... Media is secondary. If you think that your message is the right one, fine put it out there. But no one (in the United States) has the right to stifle an opposing message, no matter how it's delivered.
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Now you're just making stuff up. I'll have to excuse myself from this conversation since you are making this discussion a political one.
            LOL - That is a laugh. This thread was political from it's inception. What I'm saying is no more political than any other comment in this entire thread.

            By the way what did I make up there? I got that straight from the CNBC documentary and Ed Koch's own words in the video.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              OK, if you can stay off the political stuff, here is one thing, a big one, that you got wrong.

              You mentioned that Rupert had a big role, was a hero, in keeping New York from going bankrupt simply because he endorsed Ed Koch for mayor. The fact that a simple endorsement makes someone a hero is far fetched in itself, but the big problem with this is:

              * New York was saved from bankruptcy in 1975 by the teachers union.
              * Murdoch didn't have a newspaper in New York until 1976.
              * The mayoral election wasn't until 1977. :/

              By the way, the mayor who was in charge at the time of the possible bankruptcy was Abraham Beame. When he left office in 1977, the city budget had changed from a $1.5 billion deficit to a surplus of $200 million.

              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              By the way what did I make up there? I got that straight from the CNBC documentary and Ed Koch's own words in the video.
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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                OK, if you can stay off the political stuff, here is one thing, a big one, that you got wrong.

                You mentioned that Rupert had a big role, was a hero, in keeping New York from going bankrupt simply because he endorsed Ed Koch for mayor. The fact that a simple endorsement makes someone a hero is far fetched in itself, but the big problem with this is that New York was saved from bankruptcy in 1975 by the teachers union. Murdoch didn't have any newspaper in New York until 1976. The mayoral election wasn't until 1977. :/

                By the way, the mayor who was in charge at the time of the possible bankruptcy was Abraham Beame. When he left office in 1977, the city budget had changed from a $1.5 billion deficit to a surplus of $200 million.

                I'm only going by what I read and hear. I wasn't there. But just so you don't think my sources are biased in the conservative direction, here's what the Huffington Post says about Ed Koch:

                Ed Koch


                And Here's what Ed Koch himself has said about Murdoch in a PBS Frontline Documentary:

                "…When the phone rang, the voice on the other end said something like, “Congressman Koch, please.” I said, “Speaking.” He said, “Congressman, this is Rupert,” and I guess I was still a little sleepy maybe. I said to myself, “Rupert? Rupert? Rupert’s not a Jewish name. Who could be calling me at 7:00 o’clock in the morning named Rupert?” And then suddenly, because he was speaking, I realized it was Rupert, the Australian. I mean, the voice came through. And I said, “Yes, Rupert?” He said, “Congressman, we’re going to endorse you today on the front page of the New York Post and I hope it helps.” I said, “Rupert, you’ve elected me.” "

                And the Unions were a main part of the problem, and thus inevitably became part of the solution. They were involved in the solution, but they were not THE solution.

                Just like when you have to patch a leaky tire. The tire is involved in the solution, but the tire is NOT the solution, the patch is the solution.

                In this case cutting benefits was the solution. Benefits that the unions fought to put there. And would have never agreed to cutting had it not been for Koch.
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                • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                  Ok, nothing you have posted supports your claim that Rupert Murdoch was some sort of hero in regards to saving New York from bankruptcy. Nothing. Who cares what Koch said about Murdoch talking to Koch and endorsing him? It doesn't mean anything in regards to what you claimed.

                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                  I'm only going by what I read and hear.
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                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    Ok, nothing you have posted supports your claim that Rupert Murdoch was some sort of hero in regards to saving New York from bankruptcy. Nothing. Who cares what Koch said about Murdoch talking to Koch and endorsing him? It doesn't mean anything in regards to what you claimed.

                    Actually I never said he was a hero. If you had read the original post, I said that CNBC ran a documentary that made him look like a hero. So there's nothing here to dispute me about. Take it up w/ CNBC. You can also take it up w/ the BBC because they're the one's that originally made the documentary. Although it looks like they are working very hard to bury any links between them and this documentary. I wonder why?
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                      Right, and you said "for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt". I'm still wondering what that decision was. My point was, endorsing Koch was not a decision that kept New York from going bankrupt.

                      I am going to try to watch that documentary when I have a chance. Sounds interesting, but I am not surprised at all it would be on CNBC as that station has a much more conservative lean to it than it's sister station MSNBC.

                      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                      Actually I never said he was a hero. If you had read the original post, I said that CNBC ran a documentary that made him look like a hero.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        Right, and you said "for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt". I'm still wondering what that decision was. My point was, endorsing Koch was not a decision that kept New York from going bankrupt.

                        I am going to try to watch that documentary when I have a chance. Sounds interesting, but I am not surprised at all it would be on CNBC as that station has a much more conservative lean to it than it's sister station MSNBC.
                        Tim, IMHO...

                        There's not much diff in Fox Business News & CNBC as they both fight hard for the investor class and no one else.

                        The only diff is of course that Fox Business News "most always" has that hard anti admin slant with its reporting.

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                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        Right, and you said "for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt". I'm still wondering what that decision was. My point was, endorsing Koch was not a decision that kept New York from going bankrupt.

                        I am going to try to watch that documentary when I have a chance. Sounds interesting, but I am not surprised at all it would be on CNBC as that station has a much more conservative lean to it than it's sister station MSNBC.
                        Tim I'm not 100% on this, but with NYC it usually involves buying property from the city.
                        Trump has done that alot also. They may buy a block or two that are slums, tare them down and put up something like an office complex. The city gets money from the sale and property taxes.
                        They will also invest in projects run by the city.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                  I'm only going by what I read and hear. I wasn't there. But just so you don't think my sources are biased in the conservative direction, here's what the Huffington Post says about Ed Koch:

                  Ed Koch


                  And Here's what Ed Koch himself has said about Murdoch in a PBS Frontline Documentary:

                  "…When the phone rang, the voice on the other end said something like, “Congressman Koch, please.” I said, “Speaking.” He said, “Congressman, this is Rupert,” and I guess I was still a little sleepy maybe. I said to myself, “Rupert? Rupert? Rupert’s not a Jewish name. Who could be calling me at 7:00 o’clock in the morning named Rupert?” And then suddenly, because he was speaking, I realized it was Rupert, the Australian. I mean, the voice came through. And I said, “Yes, Rupert?” He said, “Congressman, we’re going to endorse you today on the front page of the New York Post and I hope it helps.” I said, “Rupert, you’ve elected me.” "

                  And the Unions were a main part of the problem, and thus inevitably became part of the solution. They were involved in the solution, but they were not THE solution.

                  Just like when you have to patch a leaky tire. The tire is involved in the solution, but the tire is NOT the solution, the patch is the solution.

                  In this case cutting benefits was the solution. Benefits that the unions fought to put there. And would have never agreed to cutting had it not been for Koch.


                  Ed Koch is also the guy I saw at the Egyptian pyramids acting like the Jews built them.

                  So he's prone to exaggeration.


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                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    Ed Koch is also the guy I saw at the Egyptian pyramids acting like Jews built them.

                    So he's prone to exaggeration.


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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I don't think time is Rupert's best friend. He's 80 years old and looked every bit of it on Tuesday.

      By the way, it isn't just about public opinion. More importantly for the Murdoch family is what the shareholders think. How long will Rupert remain the CEO and how long, if ever, will it be until James Murdoch becomes CEO? This scandal is having a huge affect on those answers.

      Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

      Time is likely Rupert's best friend IMO.
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Prediction: Americans will soon find out that just about every news organization in the UK is just as bad, if not worse at reporting news than News Corp. Especially on this particular story. With the help of his PR firm, (and the short attention span of MSNBC viewers) Rupert Murdoch will hunker down for a few weeks while this blows over.

      Meanwhile Americans will increasingly be looking for News that leans not so far to the left, and in America they all happen to be owned by Murdoch. Thus making his stock go back to above normal, and making him richer than he was before.

      As much as the left media hates Murdoch, I was surprised to see a Documentary on CNBC last night that made Murdoch look like a hero, for making a decision that kept New York City from going bankrupt. After doing some research I found that the documentary was originally made for and aired on the BBC. But the BBC has purged it's site and youtube of the documentary. Little do they know that there are tons of websites out there that still have the youtube videos embeded in their site. Thus leaving in place of the video a message from youtube saying that the BBC took down their video.

      By the way, look at this piece put out several months ago by Politico and you'll get a better understanding of the vicious lopsidedness of this story...
      Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
      You said...

      Americans will soon find out that just about every news organization in the UK is just as bad, if not worse at reporting news than News Corp. Especially on this particular story.

      I say...

      What's way more likely to happen is that Fox news will simply LIE and tell that to their viewers.

      And most of them will easily believe it.

      ( I'm not calling you a liar Gary - just misinformed )


      You said...

      Meanwhile Americans will increasingly be looking for News that leans not so far to the left, and in America they all happen to be owned by Murdoch.

      I say...

      Wishful thinking...

      ... cause there's not one scintilla of data to support your statement.

      The Nielson ratings don't.

      As a matter of fact the trend line is way against your prediction and why would it get any better after this most recent fiasco of the parent company?

      IT'S NOT JUST GLENN BECK: FOX News Has Lost 21% Of Its Audience This Year

      Here it is in chart form...

      http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?cat=6


      Everyone Be On The Look Out For...

      The Fox Effect...

      ... is a forthcoming book that uses internal Fox emails, interviews with insiders, and analysis of Fox's on-air content to demonstrate the network's role in manipulating the public during the 2010 election.


      All The Best!!

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    Breaking news; The Wendi Deng slap gif.

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      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      I just noticed the guy who dropped her to the floor with an elbow to the side
      Thom,

      That's the best angle I've seen yet.

      That dude may be in for some retaliation because it clearly looked like he used his elbow to push the lady to the floor.

      Thanks!!

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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Thom,

        That's the best angle I've seen yet.

        That dude may be in for some retaliation because it clearly looked like he used his elbow to push the lady to the floor.

        Thanks!!

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        My guess is a security guy.
        One of the things they try to do in situations is get the potential targets on the floor.
        Still he gave her a good shot
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      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      I just noticed the guy who dropped her to the floor with an elbow to the side
      Actually that was a nice leverage push... made the slap come twice as fast!
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    The benefit of having a camera focused on the right place at the right time.

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    TL don't assume that you know how informed I am. I just happen to be the only one in this thread so far to provide both liberal and conservative sources.

    And as far as the ratings go, even with the decline in viewership, fox still has more than twice the viewers as it's nearest competitor. And they always gain viewers near election time.
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      TL don't assume that you know how informed I am. I just happen to be the only one in this thread so far to provide both liberal and conservative sources.

      And as far as the ratings go, even with the decline in viewership, fox still has more than twice the viewers as it's nearest competitor. And they always gain viewers near election time.
      If you're citing CNBC as a source on the left you are sadly mistaken.

      They are not.

      You can forget about Politico.com also as they'll scorch anyone they can - left or right, to make a splash - any way they can.



      The strength of FN is that you can get about 30-35% of American adults to believe anything, and I do mean anything.

      Murdoch knew this going in.

      BTW...

      It's hard to find a political poll (that targets everyone) with the numbers over 65% in favor of something as there is always that hardcore 30-35% that go with the conservative side - no matter what the question may be.

      It could be something as simple as...

      Should the/a gov be in charge of protecting our food and water supply or should we allow only private companies to do it????

      That should be an easy 90-95% yes question, but amazingly, ...

      ...you'll have some 30-35% of poll responders say that only private industry should be trusted to do the job - cause they hate gov so much and can find ways to rationalize - in their minds - any crazy position they take.

      Yes the viewership of FN is double other cable networks and more rabid than than the others.

      It was a clever and cynical strategy employed by Murdoch & Ailes to build FN and it has worked to perfection.

      What was the strategy??

      Make FN the GOP channel but call it "Fair & Balanced" to fool a large and easy to fool viewership and keep the red meat coming.

      Half of New Corps America profits come from FN, so I'm sure they will stop at nothing to retain their large viewership.

      I salute you for being one of the loyal minions of a "news" operation that's a joke for journalist integrity for everyone except it viewership.

      All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It's hard to find a political poll (that targets everyone) with the numbers over 65% in favor of something as there is always that hardcore 30-35% that go with the conservative side - no matter what the question may be.
        And there's a hardcore 30-35% on the left side.

        Which is fine because that means there's still about 30-40% of us in the middle who don't believe any of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          And there's a hardcore 30-35% on the left side.

          Which is fine because that means there's still about 30-40% of us in the middle who don't believe any of them.
          Yes Kay, but you're not going to get the people on the left or the middle to seriously believe stuff like...

          - birtherism

          - presidential candidate & wife engage in "terrorist fist bumps"

          - It's better for private companies to protect our food and water supply.

          - Taxes for the average American have gone up when they have not.

          - It's OK for the debt ceiling to just expire and let the chip fall where they may.

          I could go on and on about the crazy stuff too many people on one side of the isle believe and there is nothing close to an equivalent group of beliefs for the people on the other side of the isle.


          And since there's a hard left and a hard right...

          ...you folks in the middle are one of the big keys to the future of the direction of the American nation...

          ... whether you like it or not.

          All The Best!!

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            - Taxes for the average American have gone up when they have not.
            GEE, I guess all those saying otherwise, including ME, aren't average! You DO realize that MANY things come into play, right?

            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            - It's OK for the debt ceiling to just expire and let the chip fall where they may.
            Has ANYONE said this? I listen to a radio channel that is FAR FAR FAR from your side, and they EMPHASIZED on several shows that the debt ceiling SHOULD be raised to prevent even the HINT of a possible default.

            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            And since there's a hard left and a hard right...

            ...you folks in the middle are one of the big keys to the future of the direction of the American nation...

            ... whether you like it or not.

            All The Best!!

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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              GEE, I guess all those saying otherwise, including ME, aren't average! You DO realize that MANY things come into play, right?
              Taxes are at the lowest rate since WWII. And revenue is at the lowest point when calculated as a percentage of GDP. You are factored into these numbers.


              Has ANYONE said this? I listen to a radio channel that is FAR FAR FAR from your side, and they EMPHASIZED on several shows that the debt ceiling SHOULD be raised to prevent even the HINT of a possible default.
              Michelle Bachman is one. I believe Joe Walsh may be another.


              Have you ever wondered WHY there is a middle?
              I wonder more about why there are extremes.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    The backlash is continuing:

    In the continuing backlash against the Murdoch Empire, a Firefox add-on has just been released that warns a user when they arrive at a website owned by NewsCorp or any subsidiaries, such as Fox News or the NY Post.
    New Firefox Add-on Warns You About The Dangers Of The Murdoch Propaganda Machine | NEWS JUNKIE POST

    And...

    News International's contract to be the exclusive media partner of Team GB's athletes in the runup to the London Olympics has been torn up in the wake of the hacking scandal.
    News International shunned by Team GB's Olympic 2012 athletes | Media | The Guardian

    EDIT UPDATE:

    The Firefox add-on linked to in the article above is actually for Chrome. The one for FF is here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...Alert-details/
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    One of the left leaning sources I provided was from The Huffington Post. There's no way to present them as middle or leaning to the right without exposing yourself as being left fringe. But they also give Ed Koch credit for saving NYC.

    huffingtonpost.com/ed-koch

    And before the election of 1977 Rupert Murdoch interviewed each candidate privately. And during that process he determined that Koch was the only straight talking business minded person that could save the city, and thus endorsed his candidacy. And by the way, polls say that before the Post endorsement, most of the people in the city didn't even know who Ed Koch was. So yes Murdoch played a huge role.

    And yes I'll agree that even though CNBC has "NBC" attached to it's name, it does lean more towards the center and right. It would automatically have to, because it deals w/ business and the actual economy. Not the pretend economy that politicians and the media make up with fake polls.

    In fact, here's one of my favorite rants of all time, and it's from CNBC...

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      One of the left leaning sources I provided was from The Huffington Post. There's no way to present them as middle or leaning to the right without exposing yourself as being left fringe. But they also give Ed Koch credit for saving NYC.

      huffingtonpost.com/ed-koch

      And before the election of 1977 Rupert Murdoch interviewed each candidate privately. And during that process he determined that Koch was the only straight talking business minded person that could save the city, and thus endorsed his candidacy. And by the way, polls say that before the Post endorsement, most of the people in the city didn't even know who Ed Koch was. So yes Murdoch played a huge role.

      And yes I'll agree that even though CNBC has "NBC" attached to it's name, it does lean more towards the center and right. It would automatically have to, because it deals w/ business and the actual economy. Not the pretend economy that politicians and the media make up with fake polls.

      In fact, here's one of my favorite rants of all time, and it's from CNBC...

      ‪Rick Santelli Rant CNBC‬‏ - YouTube

      I remember that.

      Dude sounds like someone from FN.

      I bet he's never said a bad word about the people on the street that helped get this nation into the mess we're in.

      Yes the Huff Post is on the left but it's what we progressives call the "professional Left" as these are folks who have a financial stake in pushing their viewership/readership to be...

      - impatient to a fault

      - unnecessarily critical - the nitpickers etc.

      - short sighted

      - Cave Kooks ( they can't wait to say Obama "caved" on an issue. )

      Which just helps to confuse the people in the middle all the more.

      They make almost as much trouble for the admin as your friends at FN but in a different way.

      Madame Huffington is good friends with your friend, Andrew Brightbart and that's all I need to know about her.

      All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        - short sighted

        - Cave Kooks ( they can't wait to say Obama "caved" on an issue. )
        I was wondering about a term, thanks!

        Madame Huffington is good friends with your friend, Andrew Brightbart and that's all I need to know about her.

        All The Best!!

        TL
        Well, in california, there are two FAMOUS pastors. This ISN'T religious, or meant to be. "john macarthur" and "Jack Hayford". They EACH probably made a BUNDLE attacking the others beliefs. They write LOTS of books! Jack Hayford is pentacostal, and encourages hand raising, etc... Macarthur is AGAINST it, and has kicked people out for doing so. A lot of Jacks members ALSO go to Johns church, and wish John was more open. I heard Jack and John are close friends. Go figure!

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I'm pretty sure Koch wrote that bio of himself at Huffington Post. He's been a blogger there for years. So, even though he says he saved the city from bankruptcy I don't think he meant it literally because that had already happened before he came to office. He was a good, popular and progressive mayor for three terms though. By the way, the Post also endorsed Obama in 2008 so I guess Murdoch played a huge role in saving the country also.

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      But they also give Ed Koch credit for saving NYC.

      huffingtonpost.com/ed-koch

      And before the election of 1977 Rupert Murdoch interviewed each candidate privately. And during that process he determined that Koch was the only straight talking business minded person that could save the city, and thus endorsed his candidacy. And by the way, polls say that before the Post endorsement, most of the people in the city didn't even know who Ed Koch was. So yes Murdoch played a huge role.

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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I'm pretty sure Koch wrote that bio of himself at Huffington Post. He's been a blogger there for years. So, even though he says he saved the city from bankruptcy I don't think he meant it literally because that had already happened before he came to office. He was a good, popular and progressive mayor for three terms though. By the way, the Post also endorsed Obama in 2008 so I guess Murdoch played a huge role in saving the country also.
        Sorry, wrong on both accounts...

        POST ENDORSES JOHN MCCAIN - NYPOST.com


        They endorsed him for the democratic primaries over Hillary, but not for the actual presidential election. You should also go back and read how long the bankruptcy threat on NYC actually lasted. A lot of media outlets - liberal and conservative - give Koch credit for saving NYC.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          If you have a link showing the actual bankruptcy threat lasting beyond 1975 I would like to see it but everything I have read says it happened in 1975. Oh, and besides the teachers union saving the city that year, New York also got a $2.3 billion bailout loan from the federal government in 1975 called the New York City Seasonal Financial Act. Then Jimmy Carter signed another huge bailout in 1978. Yes, the city had a slow turnaround and Koch was a good mayor as I said before, but he didn't save the city from bankruptcy in my opinion.

          NYC Bailout - The History Of US Government Financial Bailouts, 1975, New York City

          OH, and here's a story about another key player in saving New York from bankruptcy in 1975:

          http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...l/me-rohatyn23

          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          You should also go back and read how long the bankruptcy threat on NYC actually lasted. A lot of media outlets - liberal and conservative - give Koch credit for saving NYC.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    TL, me and you are on such opposite ends of the political spectrum, that we may just turn around and shake hands some day


    Back to the original post.... I honestly hope that the truth prevails, and anyone directly involved in illegal behavior receives a proper punishment. I also hope that it doesn't turn into a politically driven lynch mob. Because even with the supplier gone, the demand for a balancing view-point will remain. And if he's punished unjustly because of obvious political reasons, it will only serve to turn him into a martyr. And you can take away a majority's medium, but that doesn't make them any less of a majority.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      TL, me and you are on such opposite ends of the political spectrum, that we may just turn around and shake hands some day


      Back to the original post.... I honestly hope that the truth prevails, and anyone directly involved in illegal behavior receives a proper punishment. I also hope that it doesn't turn into a politically driven lynch mob.

      Because even with the supplier gone, the demand for a balancing view-point will remain.

      And if he's punished unjustly because of obvious political reasons, it will only serve to turn him into a martyr.

      And you can take away a majority's medium, but that doesn't make them any less of a majority.
      OK Gary, if Murdoch can become a "martyr" then I guess anything is possible.

      I'm not going to start.

      At worst, he may be forced to sell FN to someone else who I'm sure will continue using the "formula" that has brought FN its success.

      Speaking of the media in general, as far as I'm concerned they sow more confusion than anything else.

      I'm talking about daytime cable networks and the nightly broadcasts on the major channels.


      All The Best!!


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    If the New York Post ( a News Corp company ) actually covered the News Corp. scandal...

    slide show here...

    If the New York Post actually covered the News Corp. scandal | Slide Show - Salon.com
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      If the New York Post ( a News Corp company ) actually covered the News Corp. scandal...

      slide show here...

      If the New York Post actually covered the News Corp. scandal | Slide Show - Salon.com
      They didn't have much choice in the matter. Once the public knows, they just look more corrupt if they don't. I'd still not trust them to give the whole and true facts of the matter unless they are already released elsewhere. People, in general, don't really think about who owns a news channel when they listen to or read the news. When news is corporately owned - you get news that benefits the corporation, that's why you get such a different slant everywhere you turn. Unless it's free press in the old-style, you aren't listening to news, you're listening to corporate slant. Unfortunately, old style investigative journalism is all but dead.

      I'm done with this thread though, thanks TL - it gets old hearing you call anyone not in support of your own views stupid or crazy.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        They didn't have much choice in the matter. Once the public knows, they just look more corrupt if they don't. I'd still not trust them to give the whole and true facts of the matter unless they are already released elsewhere. People, in general, don't really think about who owns a news channel when they listen to or read the news. When news is corporately owned - you get news that benefits the corporation, that's why you get such a different slant everywhere you turn. Unless it's free press in the old-style, you aren't listening to news, you're listening to corporate slant. Unfortunately, old style investigative journalism is all but dead.

        I'm done with this thread though, thanks TL - it gets old hearing you call anyone not in support of your own views stupid or crazy.
        My Dear Sal,

        This is an ongoing story that's not quite through yet --- by a long shot.

        I am truly hurt that you would think of me in that way.

        I agree, I went too far in the "Who Built The Great Pyramids" Thread.

        There was no need to call the folks promoting "alien intervention" or the " An Older Civilization Built The Pyramids" angles kooks.

        I should have simply augured for the merits on my side of the debate.

        In the future I will temper my remarks accordingly.

        As much as I need to temper my comments in discussions we have on this board, IMHO ...


        ...you need to step back sometimes and actually understand what you are endorsing.

        In my mind, you have never met a conspiracy theory that you have not embraced.

        I've seen you give your blessings to...

        - the senator from the "Republic Of Missouri".

        - We (Americans) are owned by the Queen Of England.

        Even if something like this stuff comes up in the future I will not call the propagators kooks or stupid.

        Sal, I'm sure we want the same things for the people of this planet and especially our beloved country.

        We just have a different belief of what it will take to get us there.

        All The Best!!

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    Update (for anyone interested):

    It emerged recently that Lord Justice Leveson (Sir Brian Leveson), the judge leading the public inquiry over here in the UK, has potentially compromising links to the Murdochs.

    Apparently, over the last year he's attended a couple of parties hosted by Matthew Freud, the husband of Elisabeth Murdoch, which raises concerns about his impartiality.

    Labour MP Chris Bryant has urged Leveson to come clean about his connections to the Murdochs, which he says might affect Leveson's ability to command public confidence in his role as head of the inquiry.
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    Recording Of Piers Morgan Admitting Knowledge Of Phone Hacking Exists:

    Blogger Guido Fawkes


    Recording Of Piers Morgan Admitting Knowledge Of Phone Hacking Exists: Blogger Guido Fawkes
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    Say it ain't so Piers...


    Recording Of Piers Morgan Admitting Knowledge Of Phone Hacking Exists:

    Blogger Guido Fawkes


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Does...

    Piers Morgan Admit To Knowledge Of Phone Hacking In 2009 Interview (AUDIO)

    Scroll down the page and hear for yourself...

    Piers Morgan Appears To Admit To Knowledge Of Phone Hacking In 2009 Interview (AUDIO)
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Evidence surfaces of another tasteless hack into the parents phone of another murdered girl...

    Allegedly the lady with the red hair gave the mother a cell phone and it was hacked by NOTW.



    Story here...

    News of the World Hacked Into Phone Of Sara Payne, Mother Of Sarah Payne, Abducted And Murdered Girl
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