Huge solar flare due to hit the world

13 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

It is predicted, there will be massive Solar Flares in the year 2013. I have read numerous articles on the Internet regarding this subject and the general agreement is: a lot of communication failures, throughout the world. could this be a Biblical prophecy in Luke 21?
Sign in the sun moon and the stars? Time of the end?
Oh dear!

Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation - Telegraph

I read that article, and did NOT see anything saying a solar flare would hit the world. If the sun were THAT hot, etc... it would probably blow up. I mean I don't know how many miles solar flares go up. MAYBE miles, maybe even a hundred. Over 90 million? NO WAY! If a solar flare hit the world, we would be GONERS! The oxygen would probably be gone, oceans would dry up, most of the people would turn to ash, etc.... NO, it said that the world would be hit by MAGNETIC activity CAUSED by solar flares. That would be BAD, but NOT the end of any country or the world.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Jeez, we are gone in September - and again in 2012. Can we please wait to celebrate the day after in these two before we move on to the next?

Steve - solar flares can get pretty huge - thousands of miles high. That's a little different than having a hot flame shot almost 100 million miles. Not sure if our sun is hot enough large enough to do that. I'd be more worried right now if they said the sun was shrinking - that means it's getting ready to nova. But I am not sure how long it takes to do that after it begins to contract - maybe be hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Could be pretty quick, too.

Right now I'm in the mind that if humans go extinct it's going to be completely the fault of human greed and stupidity, not from a cosmic event.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Jeez, we are gone in September - and again in 2012. Can we please wait to celebrate the day after in these two before we move on to the next?

Steve - solar flares can get pretty huge - thousands of miles high. That's a little different than having a hot flame shot almost 100 million miles. Not sure if our sun is hot enough large enough to do that. I'd be more worried right now if they said the sun was shrinking - that means it's getting ready to nova. But I am not sure how long it takes to do that after it begins to contract - maybe be hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Could be pretty quick, too.

Right now I'm in the mind that if humans go extinct it's going to be completely the fault of human greed and stupidity, not from a cosmic event.

AGREED! I said nothing in conflict with what you did.

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ThomM

13 years ago

How many years ago would a flare that big happen before it hit us?
Not to mention the chances of a flare being 100 million miles long are what? none and less?

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

How many years ago would a flare that big happen before it hit us?
Not to mention the chances of a flare being 100 million miles long are what? none and less?

It would only take a few days. It isn't the flare itself that would reash us, it's the photon radiation. I don't think we are in any direct danger from the radiation...But there are other side effects.

A similar even took place in 1859 and it knocked out telegraphs all over the N Hemisphere. Today, we are much more reliant on electricity than in 1859, so there is some concern over that.

Carrington Flare:
A Super Solar Flare - NASA Science

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solar flare 1859 telegraph - Google Search

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ThomM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It would only take a few days. It isn't the flare itself that would reash us, it's the photon radiation. I don't think we are in any direct danger from the radiation...But there are other side effects.

A similar even took place in 1859 and it knocked out telegraphs all over the N Hemisphere. Today, we are much more reliant on electricity than in 1859, so there is some concern over that.

Carrington Flare:
A Super Solar Flare - NASA Science

More:
solar flare 1859 telegraph - Google Search

Cool we need something to shake things up

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It would only take a few days. It isn't the flare itself that would reash us, it's the photon radiation. I don't think we are in any direct danger from the radiation...But there are other side effects.

A similar even took place in 1859 and it knocked out telegraphs all over the N Hemisphere. Today, we are much more reliant on electricity than in 1859, so there is some concern over that.

Carrington Flare:
A Super Solar Flare - NASA Science

More:
solar flare 1859 telegraph - Google Search

By the time that radiation hits earth though it has to go through an atmosphere that's equivilant to 10 feet of cement, -- add a magnetic field to that. It will have to be one hella huge blast to actually toast us. If people can't live without electric for a little while, that says something about our population problem. It would also automatically do something about it, too - not pleasantly. Mom Nature is not a lady.

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whateverpedia

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

about our population problem. It would also automatically do something about it, too - not pleasantly.

Yep, the population would double in the developed world

No TV, no radio, no internet. What else are people gonna do?

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ThomM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Yep, the population would double in the developed world

No TV, no radio, no internet. What else are people gonna do?

Not necessarily.

A thriving urban legend arose in the wake of the Northeast Blackout of 1965, in which it is told that a peak in the birthrate of the blackout areas was observed nine months after the incident. The origin of the myth is a series of three articles published in August 1966 in the New York Times,[4] in which interviewed doctors told that they had noticed an increased number of births.
The story was debunked in 1970 by J. Richard Udry, a demographer from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who did a careful statistical study that found no increase in the birthrate of the affected areas.
Northeast Blackout of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

How many years ago would a flare that big happen before it hit us?
Not to mention the chances of a flare being 100 million miles long are what? none and less?

You have a point! LIGHT travels the distance in about 10 MINUTES, but the flare has MASS, and that would have to go MUCH slower! We would probably see it destroy mercury LONG before it would hit us. 93,000,000 miles! If it traveled at 200 miles an hour, it would be like 53 years! Of course, we would probably go blind in like 10-20 minutes! We could be dead in hours. But the REALLY bad stuff would take DECADES to happen. Even at 2000 miles an hour, it would be 5 years. But I DOUBT the sun could survive such a blast. I doubt the galaxy could.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Kurt, I was playing games with the title. I HATE it when people do that. One time, I believe it was here, they said that 30% had diabetes. The REAL story was something like 13% had diabetes and 30% of them don't know it.

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SEO Professor

13 years ago

Seriously? This is ridiculous!! First we're worried about Y2K, we're still waiting for 2012 and now THIS?

Honestly, we should all be more worried about what WE are doing to our planet in the here and now. Pollution, war, hunger, deforestation, water shortage.... I think we will sooner die from these causes than any cosmic freak show.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO Professor

Seriously? This is ridiculous!! First we're worried about Y2K, we're still waiting for 2012 and now THIS?

Honestly, we should all be more worried about what WE are doing to our planet in the here and now. Pollution, war, hunger, deforestation, water shortage.... I think we will sooner die from these causes than any cosmic freak show.

You know, I love it. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people AROUND THE WORLD work on it. They worked on it for like 5+ years. Some people were paid a base salary over $100/hour. And yet STILL some people treat it like it was a SCAM!

I tried looking for an error I knew about, since it was on the NEWS when it happened, and here is the error part of the article:

Minor Glitches

There were some minor glitches. Breathalyzers in Hong Kong failed. A video store near Albany, New York charged a $91,250 late fee. An X-ray machine in Norway stopped working. But no power grids were shut down, no planes were grounded, and no financial markets crashed.

There was almost a Y2K-related heart attack in Germany however. An online customer of a Cologne bank logged on to his account and found a balance of 3,930,129,930, although no currency was noted. Another customer at the same bank also found an extra 13 million marks in his account.

So far the worst thing to happen in the U.S. was when the Pentagon lost contact with a military intelligence reconnaissance satellite.

BTW people that knew something about these things REALLY only expected the late fee, since there is no telling how a 2 digit application could handle the differences between 2000 and 1999. And interest bearing financial instruments could have problems for the same reasons. Heck, I was at one place where their PAYROLL failed, and it took days for them to figure out how to reprocess it since its design just made it difficult to run on other days.

You really have NO idea how much is involved with this stuff. I mean even a company known ONLY for soup, although they do some stuff with chocolate and cookies, has a HUGE area and spends MILLIONS for people to take care of such things.

BTW the guy that was charged $91,250 was only TWO days late! HEY, here's a little article:

Boston.com / Technology News / Y2K - Millennium computer glitch

BTW I got some email in 1969! Interesting, since the standard didn't exist then, I was just a little kid, and didn't even hook up to a network until like 1982. You know what happened, right? The date went haywire, became negative, and -1=12/31/1969! You see, Email uses the posix standard which counts up to about 2147483648 seconds after the epoch, and the epoch is 1/1/1970. They didn't expect anyone to need earlier dates, and I guess they figured they would be dead before we ran out of seconds. They run out around 2038. HEY, that got a mention in wikipedia!

Year 2038 problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the BRIGHT side, databases provide windowing functionality to make changes quicker. If THAT functionality was used, THEY may be OK until about 2050. They also have VERY high dates. If people programmed for THOSE, people on the system may have great grandkids that die before the problem shows up. But MOST computers have a date function that WILL fail in my life time, and the lifetime of MOST of the people on this system.

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Kay King

13 years ago

I'm just relieved there's another potential catastrophe.

I've been so worried about the people who believe we will all be toast in 2012 - now they can keep going if it doesn't happen and warn us about 2013 instead.

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ThomM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm just relieved there's another potential catastrophe.

I've been so worried about the people who believe we will all be toast in 2012 - now they can keep going if it doesn't happen and warn us about 2013 instead.

Kay is 2013 considered a back end sale or reoccurring sale?

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HeySal 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Kay is 2013 considered a back end sale or reoccurring sale?

So guy - I just found this awesome cave. I'm wondering now how to get electric to it so I can keep the hot dogs refrigerated until the flames hit I'm expecting them to hit while we're on the dark side though so survivors would definitely come from this side of the globe. My evidence for this theory is that everything else cosmic that I might really like to see sometime always happens on the other hemispheres of the globe - either South or East. But I think that if I can keep the beer hot dogs cold long enough we can just stick the the dgos and marshmallows outside of the cave and get part of the scorching on them. Just hope the damn thing doesn't start an earthquake.................
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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO Professor

Seriously? This is ridiculous!! First we're worried about Y2K, we're still waiting for 2012 and now THIS?

Honestly, we should all be more worried about what WE are doing to our planet in the here and now. Pollution, war, hunger, deforestation, water shortage.... I think we will sooner die from these causes than any cosmic freak show.

This isn't about dying and it isn't from some moon worshiper...It's from NASA. If we aren't going to listen to them, then we should stop funding NASA altogether. But personally, I like hearing what real rocket scientists have to say.

The real danger is to satellites and sensitive electronics. It could also wipe out large parts of the power grid. A small town going without electricity is one thing, have an entire region without is another. It could mean any food stored in refrigerators or freezers would spoil, etc.

And if the power grid went down, it would affect me and the way I make my living (from the Net).

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

This isn't about dying and it isn't from some moon worshiper...It's from NASA. If we aren't going to listen to them, then we should stop funding NASA altogether. But personally, I like hearing what real rocket scientists have to say.

The real danger is to satellites and sensitive electronics. It could also wipe out large parts of the power grid. A small town going without electricity is one thing, have an entire region without is another. It could mean any food stored in refrigerators or freezers would spoil, etc.

And if the power grid went down, it would affect me and the way I make my living (from the Net).

Yeah - we'll get rid of excess baggage real fast if the electric goes out. That is water supply, lights, computers, refrigeration.......

So Kurt - what kind of food can ya get off the side of the mountains out your way these days?

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah - we'll get rid of excess baggage real fast if the electric goes out. That is water supply, lights, computers, refrigeration.......

So Kurt - what kind of food can ya get off the side of the mountains out your way these days?

Little people.

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HeySal 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Little people.

Now THAT'S scary.
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- Kurt 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by HeySal
  
  Now THAT'S scary.
  
  Aren't you the one moving close to Donner Pass? Donner...Party of two, Donner Party of two.
  
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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

More disaster to come eh? Every month there seems to be a new thing that is going to happen to the Earth to either end it or disable it in some way. I find it interesting to read about them, but don't put much stock in any of it.

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13 years ago

There's no ozone protection anymore...

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highhopes 13 years ago

I remember reading this book in the nineties, Into the upwave by Robert Beckman....I was quite interested to learn how economists since the about 1750 had recorded peaks busts and booms every 50 -60 years, with wars within the cycles, etc.
This russian guy I believe Kondratieff an economist was I believe the person who discovered it, but eventually he was executed by the Russian government for trying to go public with his findings. ( words to that effect) the book went on how there are quite a few cycles, some longer, some shorter like the Sun`s 11 cycles. Every 11 years or so these solar flares occur.
i was quite amazed with the fact that we are ALL subject to monotonousness repudiation of nature`s own habitual cycles out there. And bingo! they are like clockwork...

seems we are all trapped and vulnerable to whatever nature throws at the modern technically reliant world of mankind....
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