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13 years ago

robandy, I am so sorry to hear about the break in. How devastating.

Thank you for reminding me to back up. I haven't done that in a long time and would be completely lost without my computer.

Good luck on reconstructing all of your information.

You're right, it only takes one time.

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g4r3th 13 years ago

Sorry to hear this, i hope there's a chance of getting your stuff back.
Online backups are a good idea.
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robandy 13 years ago

Thanks Lori,
It is devistating starting all over again.
I had two products that were almost finished and poof they are gone.
The other business had hundreds of CC info for my customers.!!
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Lori Kelly

13 years ago

Ugh. Makes me sick to think of the amount of work involved to get your stuff recreated.

Maybe the police will find the thieves and you will get your stuff back.
Can you check craigslist to see if similar computers are recently listed? Sometimes thieves try craigslist to sell the stuff. Maybe ebay too. Local pawn shops?

I hope you get your stuff back.

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robandy 13 years ago

Lori,
We are trying all of that. We did get an IP address from a week later when they accessed a piece of software.

Justice is slow sometimes.
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- Michael Oksa 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by robandy
  
  Lori,
  We are trying all of that. We did get an IP address from a week later when they accessed a piece of software.
  
  Justice is slow sometimes.
  
  But it's always eternal.
  
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  pickthat apple 13 years ago
  
  Oh dear, I would faint on the spot...
  
  Sorry to hear this, robandy, hopefully with your skills you will be able to build something up again.
  
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13 years ago

Sorry to hear this and thank you God bless Ya

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13 years ago

very unfortunate

i hope they find the robbers and get your stuff back

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Did you have a home security system??

If you did I doubt your house would have been broken into.

IMHO, the only people who should go without a system are people who truly can not afford the $30-$35 per month monitoring charge.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Did you have a home security system??

If you did I doubt your house would have been broken into.

IMHO, the only people who should go without a system are people who truly can not afford the $30-$35 per month monitoring charge.

All The Best!!

TL

WRONG!

1. It's not the OP's fault that a criminal took advantage of them...EVEN IF they left the front door wide open.

2. Security alarms do not give you full protection.

Either way, no sense in kicking somebody when they're down, IMHO.

All the best,
Michael

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

WRONG!

1. It's not the OP's fault that a criminal took advantage of them...EVEN IF they left the front door wide open.

2. Security alarms do not give you full protection.

Either way, no sense in kicking somebody when they're down, IMHO.

All the best,
Michael

I was not kicking the OP.

All I was saying was that they should have had a security system.

If they couldn't afford one then, that's another story.

I forgot to think about the logistics for rural areas etc. and for that I apologize to the OP.

Michael, I don't know how it is in your neck of the country but in mine...

( outside D.C. ) the response time is 3-5 maybe 10 minutes at the most so therefore in my neck of the woods, if you're my next door neighbor and I have a system and you don't...

... guess who's house will be broken into first?????

Of course a system is not a cure-all...

.. but it sure reduces the chances of someone breaking into my home when I'm not there and God forbid if it happens while my wife and kid are home and I'm not.

Burglars know that all we have to do is press one button and the police will be there real soon.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I was not kicking the OP.

All I was saying was that they should have had a security system.

If they couldn't afford one then, that's another story.

I forgot to think about the logistics for rural areas etc. and for that I apologize to the OP.

Michael, I don't know how it is in your neck of the country but in mine...

( outside D.C. ) the response time is 3-5 maybe 10 minutes at the most so therefore in my neck of the woods, if you're my next door neighbor and I have a system and you don't...

... guess who's house will be broken into first?????

Of course a system is not a cure-all...

.. but it sure reduces the chances of someone breaking into my home when I'm not there and God forbid if it happens while my wife and kid are home and I'm not.

Burglars know that all we have to do is press one button and the police will be there real soon.

All The Best!!

TL

You really did come across as kicking them when they were down. Who did you blame? The thieves? Nope. You blamed the people who were robbed.

I call that kicking somebody when they're down.

That being said, different parts of the country are different, and have different crime rates, response times and so on. But having stuff stolen can happen to anybody at any time.

Should EVERYBODY have a security system? No, not at all. I'm sure a few people have them in the town where I live, but the vast majority do not. Call it a calculated risk, but the crime rate is so low, and it's a small town where people watch out or one another. Oh...and we also have a few prisons in town, so there are a lot of corrections officers that call this town home.

Another point...having a security system can give some people a FALSE sense of security. That may even be MORE risky than not having one at all.

So...whose home does the thief go to when nobody has a security system?

Anyway, each community is different, and that's probably a good thing...BUT at the same time, let's place the blame where it belongs.

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Michael

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

You really did come across as kicking them when they were down. Who did you blame? The thieves? Nope. You blamed the people who were robbed.

I call that kicking somebody when they're down.

That being said, different parts of the country are different, and have different crime rates, response times and so on. But having stuff stolen can happen to anybody at any time.

Should EVERYBODY have a security system? No, not at all. I'm sure a few people have them in the town where I live, but the vast majority do not. Call it a calculated risk, but the crime rate is so low, and it's a small town where people watch out or one another. Oh...and we also have a few prisons in town, so there are a lot of corrections officers that call this town home.

Another point...having a security system can give some people a FALSE sense of security. That may even be MORE risky than not having one at all.

So...whose home does the thief go to when nobody has a security system?

Anyway, each community is different, and that's probably a good thing...BUT at the same time, let's place the blame where it belongs.

All the best,
Michael

My Home Security Salesman training kicked and I guess I did sound like I was blaming the victim.

I sold them for a living from 96-99 and I've heard some crazy reasons to not have one.

In the OP's situation it's not their fault.

I should have gathered more info on his situation before I posted my thoughts.

But, I am going to say that IMHO...

- If you live in a relatively densely populated area...

- and you can afford a system...

- and you don't have a system...

- and you suffer a break-in...

It's your own fault.

Why?

Because break-in artists LOVE homes without a security system or home that are UN-protected.

Why??

Because if you're not home...

- they can stay in you house all day and take their time and find your valuables.

They know that if they break-into a home with a system, and the alarm goes off, the police could be their any minute - so it's simply not worth the risk when there are so many home that go un-protected.

You said...

Another point...having a security system can give some people a FALSE sense of security.

That may even be MORE risky than not having one at all.

I say...

Nothing could be further from the truth especially in a decently populated area, and I'll be happy for you to explain to me how that is so.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

My Home Security Salesman training...

So, there could be some possible bias?

Which is fine, we all have bisaes. I'm just happy you mentioned that important piece of your background.

Nothing could be further from the truth especially in a decently populated area, and I'll be happy for you to explain to me how that is so.

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TL

I already did, or at least I though I did. The people with an alarm start to RELY on the alarm as being FULL protection. They FEEL safer, and may become less aware of their surroundings (as one example).

Perhaps you could explain how an alarm never causes that to happen?

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

So, there could be some possible bias?

Which is fine, we all have biases. I'm just happy you mentioned that important piece of your background.

I already did, or at least I though I did. The people with an alarm start to RELY on the alarm as being FULL protection. They FEEL safer, and may become less aware of their surroundings (as one example).

Perhaps you could explain how an alarm never causes that to happen?

All the best,
Michael

I'm not sure what you mean but whatever it means I know folks are safer with one than without one.

You may term it bias, but I call it insider info.

Such as... ( FBI stats from the 1990's )

- At least 20k people are killed each year thanks to a break-in.

- At least as many rapes occur each year thanks to a break-in.

- A family that lives in a decently populated area with a system is 10X safer from a break-in etc, than those without one.

- 50% of people that suffer a break-in don't like their house anymore and they feel violated big time.

- Kids get the ______ scared out of them after knowing someone's been in their home - the one place above all others they thought they were safe.

The last thing I want to happen is...

... I'm in my bed sleep at night, and someone comes into my home.

With my security setup, my alarm will go off, the bad guy will run away,

...and if he doesn't, I at least have time to get my piece and a chance to defend my family instead of waking up with a piece to my head.

I do not want to sleep with a piece under my pillow.

All The Best!!

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robandy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Did you have a home security system??

If you did I doubt your house would have been broken into.

IMHO, the only people who should go without a system are people who truly can not afford the $30-$35 per month monitoring charge.

All The Best!!

TL

We do have a security system, I live in the sticks. The police told me minimum response time would have been 30 minutes anyway.

But the system was fried during the spring storms. Has since been fixed.

Michael is right, I did not ask them to break into my home, so should compliment the crooks for being smart enough to knock out the window and steal all my stuff.
Don't understand your thinking!???

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by robandy

We do have a security system, I live in the sticks. The police told me minimum response time would have been 30 minutes anyway.

But the system was fried during the spring storms. Has since been fixed.

Michael is right, I did not ask them to break into my home, so should compliment the crooks for being smart enough to knock out the window and steal all my stuff.
Don't understand your thinking!???

Oh, that's the problem.

30 minutes response time.

Perhaps the criminals knew that also.

Did the police ever come to your home after the alarm was activated??

Look, I'm sorry for your loss.

TL

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Oh, that's the problem.

30 minutes response time.

Perhaps the criminals knew that also.

Did the police ever come to your home after the alarm was activated??

Look, I'm sorry for your loss.

TL

The potential lack of an alarm system is not to blame, living in the "sticks" is not to blame, a 30 minute response time is not to blame...the...

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

The potential lack of an alarm system is not to blame, living in the "sticks" is not to blame, a 30 minute response time is not to blame...the...

THIEVES

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All the best,
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Yes, thieves are the blame but IMHO...

...too many people increase the chances of a thief breaking into THEIR house by not having a system - when they can afford one.

I know the stats.

It's just like going out in the rain and not expecting to get wet when all you had to do was grab the umbrella near the door on your way out.

All The Best!!

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Are you really?

The potential lack of an alarm system is not to blame, living in the "sticks" is not to blame, a 30 minute response time is not to balem...the...

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I tend to be almost like a hermit, ESPECIALLY on the weekends! DON'T try to enter my place even for a SECOND and expect to be safe. I may get half way down the stairs and come back in 30 seconds. I may go half way to work, and come back in 5 minutes.

I was once robbed, with at least 11 other people, within 3.5 hours! At the time, I lived in a place that once was scoped out and secured by the US SECRET SERVICE! You see, the US Vice president, when he was campaigning for the presidency actually campaigned in a little park across the street! Arnold Swartzenegger was there also, along with OTHER US Secret Service Agents. I lived less than about a half mile from an LAPD office! LAPD police cars happen by. I forget the response time, but it WAS less than 30 minutes. Of course, it COULD be only a couple minutes. I DID live within 2 blocks, of, and between, two of the busiest streets in the city. I was also less than a couple miles from either of my parents.

OK, so I made this clear huh? A secured area, BUSY city, POLICE, close to work, I was unpredictable, etc....

The robbers STILL stole THOUSANDS of dollars from me. They didn't get ANY computers though!

Anyway, it is best to isolate your data in a given area, and back that up to a couple "thumb drives". Make a list of software, save your directory hierarchy, and licenses, and ENCRYPT sensitive data!

Steve

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hardraysnight

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I was once robbed, with at least 11 other people, within 3.5 hours! At the time, I lived in a place that once was scoped out and secured by the US SECRET SERVICE! You see, the US Vice president, when he was campaigning for the presidency actually campaigned in a little park across the street! Arnold Swartzenegger was there also, along with OTHER US Secret Service Agents., BUSY city, POLICE, close to work, I was unpredictable, etc....

Steve

Wow, I never knew Arnie was a secret service agent too.

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

Wow, I never knew Arnie was a secret service agent too.

FUNNY, HA HA! Nope, he was there as a speaker with George Bush. I meant thy were some secret agents in ADDITION to those that cased my place, etc... You see, the only real clear shot at the vice president would have been from the roof of my apartment building, and they wanted to make sure it was secure.

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LudwigLearns

13 years ago

sorry to hear that... i have 2 backup hard drives lying around i should keep then somewhere safe.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Wow - can't imagine coming home to that. Good advice to keep back-up material in a separate location. Hope this never happens to you again. What a nightmare.

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garyv

13 years ago

Do you have any registered software on that computer that auto-updates? I'm just wondering if there's a way to let the software co. know to keep an eye on your account for any activity. If the person is dumb enough to use their own internet connection, then you should be able to trace an ip address right to the thief's residence.

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robandy

13 years ago

Hey Garyv,
Yes I did have some software that updates and they did look at it.
We have the IP Address. Last I heard they were going to try and obtain a search warrant. That was two weeks ago.

Small rural county sheriifs dept., they sent the prints off my Corvette to the lab, I guess, said it would be at least a year to get them back.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by robandy

Hey Garyv,
Yes I did have some software that updates and they did look at it.
We have the IP Address. Last I heard they were going to try and obtain a search warrant. That was two weeks ago.

Small rural county sheriifs dept., they sent the prints off my Corvette to the lab, I guess, said it would be at least a year to get them back.

Now that's kicking someone when they are down

Don't know where you are, but here the state police have authority over county sheriffs and tend to get things done fast. Is there another agency you can go to ?

I've been robbed of various things myself in the past.
There is almost no worse feeling then finding your house violated and your possessions gone.

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garyv

13 years ago

TL according to what you just said, it sounds like all you really need is a convincing sign, saying that you have a security system.

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TLTheLiberator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

TL according to what you just said, it sounds like all you really need is a convincing sign, saying that you have a security system.

As a matter of fact Gary, that's almost all you need and make sure it's highly visible in the front and back of the home.

Why would a burglar who sees your security system sign bother your home ( with all the negative possibilities ) ...

...when he/she can go right next door knowing there is no chance of anything happening, especially if they know that no one is home.

Faking the funk can work but what about that crazy druggie that tries to break in your house in the middle of the night because he didn't see your signs???

The alarm sound scares the crap out of them and off they go.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Sorry to hear what happened to you, but thanks for the warning.

Did they take anything else, or just your computer/business stuff?

If the latter, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's someone you know.

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robandy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Sorry to hear what happened to you, but thanks for the warning.

Did they take anything else, or just your computer/business stuff?

If the latter, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's someone you know.

Hi Dennis,
They took so much that the dectective thinks they ran out of room in the truck.
Sad thing is my wifes family jewerely and all of hers also, wedding ring,Etc..

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by robandy

Hi Dennis,
They took so much that the dectective thinks they ran out of room in the truck.
Sad thing is my wifes family jewerely and all of hers also, wedding ring,Etc..

Damn, that sucks way more than you were letting on. I'm really sorry that happened to you. You seem strong though, I think you will get through it in good shape.

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cjseven

13 years ago

Originally Posted by robandy

Hi Guys and Gals,

Just wanted to relate something that happened to me this month.

Went to the grocery store and was gone for 1 1/2 hours.

Got home and my house had been robbed. I know, happens all the time.

But what really hurt is they stole my computers and my backup hard drives.
I have been working from home for 12 years and had two different businesses on my computers. Of course I backed up everything in case of failure and stored the backups in a filing cabinet.

They took everything related to my business. 12 years of work and thousands of dollars of software gone!

I can get all my licensed products back but the info on the computers is not replaceable.

Just wanted to point this out to Warriors who rely on there computers everyday for an income and storage of personal info.
Make sure your backups are stored away from your office and in a secure location. If I had backed up online or if I had secured my backups at a different location I still could have my info.

Please be careful and think about this. I have lived in the same area for 30 years with no problems, but it only takes one time.

Have a great day.

I'm really sorry about that. You are right: It only takes one time.

Good luck and energy to get things on track again!

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HeySal

13 years ago

I know a guy who had a system hooked up to his windows and doors that would run a tape of several huge dogs barking when triggered. I don't know how he hooked it up - but he had it go off a few times while he was gone and never lost a thing.

Maybe it's just me - but I like the idea of booby traps. Make em scared to open another window or door.

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13 years ago

Am very sorry for what happened to you. Whoever did that will surely pay for it.He can run but he will never hide forever. God is watching and he will not escape the wrath of God.
Thanks for alerting us and be strong because challenges come our way to make us even stronger.
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Adam Jackson

13 years ago

Man, that truly stinks. I hope you get all your stuff back and the perps get arrested.

Some people have no conscience. To invade someones home is awful. To take personal items containing emotional bonds, such as jewelry, is lower than low.

I appreciate your sharing this with us. Although I utilize an external harddrive to backup data, I'll definitely considering online backups now.

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13 years ago

Heysal,

The guy, LUCKED OUT! I have heard SO many stories about dogs being poisoned, and criminals LAUGHING at signs like DANGER, DANGEROUS SNAKES INSIDE, and people STILL getting robbed! Of course, the one with the dangerous snakes DID get the owner in trouble. 8-( Too bad, it was a nice idea. It would have been interesting if BOTH the robbers escaped, and died before they could tell the tale.

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Zoe_21 13 years ago

RobAndy

So sad reading about your losses

Hope those thieves leave more clues (more ip addresses) on the whereabouts of your property so that you may get some back - if not all back

Thanks for posting your remindar on backing up data

A remindar for us all

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Heysal,

The guy, LUCKED OUT! I have heard SO many stories about dogs being poisoned, and criminals LAUGHING at signs like DANGER, DANGEROUS SNAKES INSIDE, and people STILL getting robbed! Of course, the one with the dangerous snakes DID get the owner in trouble. 8-( Too bad, it was a nice idea. It would have been interesting if BOTH the robbers escaped, and died before they could tell the tale.

Steve

Maybe you should stop listening to stories and pay attention to the facts. Fact is, a big dog is the single best deterrent to crime there is according to the statistics. As far as poisoning a dog, my rotty was trained to only eat what he was given in his bowl.

BTW, have you heard any stories about homes being robbed that didn't have a big dog?

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dagaul101

13 years ago

That is sad news, it's always a worry what would happen if your data just vanished all of a sudden, many of us are prepared with backups, but not many are prepared for people outright stealing their data, good thing you took some precautions

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