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The Rocket

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Roger Clemens faces 30 years for perjury to a Congressional committee? And a 1.5 million dollar fine?

Have I missed something here?

This seems a little out of whack to me.

I can see jail time, but 30 years?
I'm not naive, I realize he probably won't get that if convicted.

It just seems excessive for lying about taking steroids, if he did.


Does anyone else find that a bit much?
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    WOW! Perjury is usually NOT that bad. Steroids were a relatively minor offense until around 2005, when it became a high class felony. I think the maximum is like 5 years in prison per offense.

    BTW they often create a basket of possible violations, and some may be contradictory. The sentence should be based on the conviction, etc...

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    To answer your question, I find it way out of reasonable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      WOW! Perjury is usually NOT that bad. Steroids were a relatively minor offense until around 2005, when it became a high class felony. I think the maximum is like 5 years in prison per offense.

      BTW they often create a basket of possible violations, and some may be contradictory. The sentence should be based on the conviction, etc...

      Steve
      Hey Steve, Kim, thanks for posting.
      Steve I agree, it is the proverbial 'book', but why him?

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      To answer your question, I find it way out of reasonable.
      Kim, the only thing I can figure is as an example, but why him?

      You know who may testify against him? McGuire,Bonds..et al...give me a break.

      My original question is still what did I miss? Out of all these jokers why is he being singled out.
      I don't know, maybe I'm just lame, but it seems there is more to this than meets the eye.

      I wasn't going to bring it up, but I personally know guy's that have done less time for ,lets say much more serious stuff.

      This is strange.

      Do we really need to waste time and money on this?

      Like I said, maybe I'm missing something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    There is a pitcher nick-named The Rocket
    Whose case is now on the docket
    His celly's name will be Bubba
    Who''ll greet him with a big "hubba hubba!"
    And ask Roger "Is that a banana in your pocket"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      There is a pitcher nick-named The Rocket
      Whose case is now on the docket
      His celly's name will be Bubba
      Who''ll greet him with a big "hubba hubba!"
      And ask Roger "Is that a banana in your pocket"?

      Geez Kurt, I liked your other limerick too.

      But your one of the smarter people around here that I thought would have asked themselves this question.

      And I know (from what I have read) your a sports fan.

      You don't have an opine?

      You know intelligent answers around here can get few and far between...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Geez Kurt, I liked your other limerick too.

        But your one of the smarter people around here that I thought would have asked themselves this question.

        And I know (from what I have read) your a sports fan.

        You don't have an opine?

        You know intelligent answers around here can get few and far between...
        Since you asked...If found guilty, I'd say a week in jail, 100 hours communtity service and a $100,000 fine, since he can afford it.

        However, I think Congress has other things much more important to worry about at the moment...

        Not to mention, IMO steroids should be legal. If someone wants to take them, that's their choice. MLB and other sports leagues can ban the use if they choose, but Congress shouldn't be involved other than to protect Roger's right to use them.

        I've done a little study on steroids and IMO the health risks are way over-blown FOR MATURE MEN if steroids are used with restraint. There are serious helth risks for women and teen males, but for adult men they work with little risk.

        And if an adult man uses them with common sense, the added muscle could be of great use to alll of us guys that could stand to lose a little weight. Not only will they produce results faster, to keep us motivated, muscle also burns fat.

        Now, my biggest problem with Roger is his ego, but the last time I checked, having a big ego wasn't against the law.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Since you asked...If found guilty, I'd say a week in jail, 100 hours communtity service and a $100,000 fine, since he can afford it.

          However, I think Congress has other things much more important to worry about at the moment...

          Not to mention, IMO steroids should be legal. If someone wants to take them, that's their choice. MLB and other sports leagues can ban the use if they choose, but Congress shouldn't be involved other than to protect Roger's right to use them.

          I've done a little study on steroids and IMO the health risks are way over-blown FOR MATURE MEN if steroids are used with restraint. There are serious helth risks for women and teen males, but for adult men they work with little risk.

          And if an adult man uses them with common sense, the added muscle could be of great use to alll of us guys that could stand to lose a little weight. Not only will they produce results faster, to keep us motivated, muscle also burns fat.

          Now, my biggest problem with Roger is his ego, but the last time I checked, having a big ego wasn't against the law.
          I can agree on everything, except for the steroids.

          The only reason I can't agree on that is because I know very little about them especially as far as health concerns.

          I remember wrestling a friend of mine (for his birthday) with another friend, he weighed 270 and I weigh 230 and this 200 pounder was throwing us off like rag dolls. Eerie strength.

          A basic law I believe in is, you can't keep borrowing against the future and not expect repercussions. Even physically.

          And yea, if people were to be sent to jail for ego's, lets say construction would be booming again...
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            I can agree on everything, except for the steroids.

            The only reason I can't agree on that is because I know very little about them especially as far as health concerns.

            I remember wrestling a friend of mine (for his birthday) with another friend, he weighed 270 and I weigh 230 and this 200 pounder was throwing us off like rag dolls. Eerie strength.

            A basic law I believe in is, you can't keep borrowing against the future and not expect repercussions. Even physically.

            And yea, if people were to be sent to jail for ego's, lets say construction would be booming again...
            IMO, even if steroids are harmful to one's health, as is smoking, salt, alcohol, driving cars, sugar and more, it should be up to the individual adult. My only requirement is that the risks are put on the label.

            Also, as someone that supports the legalization of drugs, I have to also support steroids as part of this. It's funny, I've had similar discussions with others that support legalizing drugs, but none of them supported legalizing steroids, which I don't understand.

            And, steroids are legal in many cases, if prescribed by a Dr. They do work.
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            • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              IMO, even if steroids are harmful to one's health, as is smoking, salt, alcohol, driving cars, sugar and more, it should be up to the individual adult. My only requirement is that the risks are put on the label.

              Also, as someone that supports the legalization of drugs, I have to also support steroids as part of this. It's funny, I've had similar discussions with others that support legalizing drugs, but none of them supported legalizing steroids, which I don't understand.

              And, steroids are legal in many cases, if prescribed by a Dr. They do work.
              Well hell Kurt, I agree with that...

              Anything can be 'bad' for you done in excess or with the wrong combination, even supposed clearly defined 'good' things, like say vitamins.

              They do use steroids in medical treatments, I thought, I know they do for animals, because I have had dogs that had steroid treatments.

              I also agree that the 'war on drugs' should be reevaluated.
              Like I said in a post earlier, almost everything, except things like meth, which I see no redeeming qualities for.
              I'm not pretending to know whether that is completely true tho, just what I have observed personally. More of a biased opinion.
              In other words not pretending to be a medical pro.

              Thanks for answering Kurt

              Hope you know I respect your opinions.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                Well hell Kurt, I agree with that...

                Anything can be 'bad' for you done in excess or with the wrong combination, even supposed clearly defined 'good' things, like say vitamins.

                They do use steroids in medical treatments, I thought, I know they do for animals, because I have had dogs that had steroid treatments.

                I also agree that the 'war on drugs' should be reevaluated.
                Like I said in a post earlier, almost everything, except things like meth, which I see no redeeming qualities for.
                I'm not pretending to know whether that is completely true tho, just what I have observed personally. More of a biased opinion.
                In other words not pretending to be a medical pro.

                Thanks for answering Kurt

                Hope you know I respect your opinions.
                Can I go back to my limericks now?

                If so...Help me out...What ryhmes with steroids?
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                • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  Can I go back to my limericks now?

                  If so...Help me out...What ryhmes with steroids?

                  Hemorrhoids?....:p
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    LOL RoadDog - great minds, small circles

                    I think the "sentencing" blather is ridiculous in this case. It's a bad joke - manslaughter does less time. Just people throwing their weight around.
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    "I wasn't going to bring it up, but I personally know guy's that have done less time for ,lets say much more serious stuff."

    Of course,and that's why guys like Roger Clemens get threatened with the bigger sentences.To make an example of and grab attention.

    "Joe Blow gets 30 years for steroids use" won't grab anyones attention for more that a second or two.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "I wasn't going to bring it up, but I personally know guy's that have done less time for ,lets say much more serious stuff."

      Of course,and that's why guys like Roger Clemens get threatened with the bigger sentences.To make an example of and grab attention.

      "Joe Blow gets 30 years for steroids use" won't grab anyones attention for more that a second or two.

      But that's just it Kim. it's not the steroid use, no charge for that (at least what I read), it's the obstruction and perjury.

      30 sounds excessive.

      I was just reading that the main witness is his ex trainer, who is pretty 'spotty' shall we say, himself.

      Let alone the Roid babies they have lined up with the accusing finger pointing.
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    Ahhh rich people usually find a way to get out of jail quick, they seem to have found Monopoly's "get out of jail free" cards...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    Roger Clemens faces 30 years for perjury to a Congressional committee? And a 1.5 million dollar fine?

    Have I missed something here?
    Apparently you missed the day when justice became perverted. I can't pinpoint the day myself, it must have happened when we weren't looking.

    Not to get political, but if he gets a sentence anywhere close to the maximum then all those lying, corrupt, perverted government hot shots should be held to the same standard. A lot of them are more deserving of jail time than Clemens, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Apparently you missed the day when justice became perverted. I can't pinpoint the day myself, it must have happened when we weren't looking.

      Not to get political, but if he gets a sentence anywhere close to the maximum then all those lying, corrupt, perverted government hot shots should be held to the same standard. A lot of them are more deserving of jail time than Clemens, IMO.
      They actually passed a law that said they are not subject to such things. THAT tells you something right there!
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        They actually passed a law that said they are not subject to such things. THAT tells you something right there!
        Rule of Law? We don't need no stinking rule of law.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    Roger Clemens faces 30 years for perjury to a Congressional committee? And a 1.5 million dollar fine?

    Have I missed something here?

    This seems a little out of whack to me.

    I can see jail time, but 30 years?
    I'm not naive, I realize he probably won't get that if convicted.

    It just seems excessive for lying about taking steroids, if he did.


    Does anyone else find that a bit much?
    What I think is even more ironic is the threat of THAT much time for lying to...

    A bunch of politicians.

    What's wrong with THAT picture.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I guess we could call it "ball envy" - he could do what the pols do ( and probably better) but they couldn't catch a ball to save their life....
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      What I think is even more ironic is the threat of THAT much time for lying to...

      A bunch of politicians.

      What's wrong with THAT picture.

      Oh the irony was not lost on me Mike.

      I just didn't want to state the obvious (to me).

      You know how fast these threads can turn into deletable subjects.

      But yea... 'pot, kettle'
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        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Oh the irony was not lost on me Mike.

        I just didn't want to state the obvious (to me).

        You know how fast these threads can turn into deletable subjects.

        But yea... 'pot, kettle'
        Yeah, but I thought I would try living on the edge. I gotta get my excitement somewhere
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    News Flash: Judge declares mistrial. Hearing set for Sept. due to an error judge says is 100% the gov's fault. It's possible this is the end of the prosecution.
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      Just saw that - and it seemed a truly stupid mistake by the prosecution. Now we'll see if they decide to try it again....

      Smart thing to do would be to drop it - but considering the brains behind these charges....
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      News Flash: Judge declares mistrial. Hearing set for Sept. due to an error judge says is 100% the gov's fault. It's possible this is the end of the prosecution.

      Wow, that's an unexpected turn of events.

      Discussing Pettitte's credibility within jury earshot....that could have been any of the witnesses against Clemens...lol. As far as credibility goes.
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