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Like any community, there's bound to be characters good, bad and in-between. Just can't be helped.

Hopefully, as time moves on, you hope to learn something.

Like when I thought it would be a good idea to have professional reviewers, senior warriors, for WSO's.

WRONG.

"Theoretically" is sounded plausible, but in reality, not so much. Because people who KNOW their stuff are spending time DOING their stuff and OTHER stuff as a result of that. They simply don't have time to review every new product because THEIR stuff is busy working, making them money, making them a life.

Now my peeve, actual reviewers here, of the serial kind.

These seem to comment and buy somewhere between 50%-75% of new stuff that comes out and give it a positive review, even if they don't use, know how to use or know anything about that field.

9.5 out of 10 reviews are positive and "sweet". The only time they give a bad review is if the product had multiple problems downloading, access problems and/or when they tried customer service, it was also very slow at coming and responding.

I steer clear of these guys and their comments. There comments are mostly fluff, valueless and lots of " thanks, keep up the good work" type crap.


Some are also serial freebie getters, in other words, if something is offered free, they're mostly there with some dumb post comment with not much value.

They are also folks who have non-indepth, cookie cutter advice to every noob question that come along, like " Keep trying , all the best " kind of malarkey.

On all counts, I just don't know whats going on there.

I notice most relevant, meaningful reviews usually come from people who don't post too often, or review less than 30% of the time.

For my taste, I know for now, maybe about 4 or 5 warriors that when they either put out a product or recommend a product, its dead-nails superior quality.

There are other warriors who are extremely reputable, but their taste, methods, teaching and recommendations are not suited for me, though most swear by them.

The ones that come out occasionally and review usually do so because it makes something they are already doing more automated, easier and/or the few "new" applications/product that actually work in the real world that makes a significant difference in their bank account, along with a product trait that it is going to work and last for a LONG time, in the long term, legit and above board marketing practices.

Another thing that gets me.

If a guy receives a free review copy, a free product, I've yet to see more than maybe, 3 or 4 since I been here, who gets a free review copy and tell it like it is both positive and negative aspects of the product in the clearest of sense, might not get another review copy or free product.

Rare type of reviewer indeed.

The 13th Warrior
  • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
    Yeh I agree, I know when I've done reviews I've pointed out both the good and bad... whether I purchased the product, or was asked to do a review. Whenever I see a WSO now there seems to be a large group of people that post almost the same canned review/responses as they do to other WSO's. Funny thing is when these "reviewers" post on WSO's that end up being locked and proven crap lol.... kinda like their trying to "pump" up each others WSO's

    I too look more towards the people whom have been around but don't post much, and see their thoughts, and in general their the ones that come back to post results as well good or bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

    For my taste, I know for now, maybe about 4 or 5 warriors that when they either put out a product or recommend a product, its dead-nails superior quality.
    Sounds good to me. How many WSOs do you really need?
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post


      Sounds good to me. How many WSOs do you really need?
      You're right, another principle in the learning curve.

      When something works, simply rinse and repeat.

      No need to constantly buy, buy ,buy, look and pan for gold .

      Because once you found a legitimate gold mine, it rarely runs out.

      You may purchase more efficient tools for easier and faster processing.

      Your hands are going to be full with that one gold mine.

      The 13th Warrior
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      I am with you on this.

      I rarely even look at WSO's anymore. You have to go to page 3 of most of the threads before you see anything that even resembles an honest review.

      Most of the reviews are crap like

      "When I saw your name on this I just went ahead and bought it. Great stuff!"

      "Another great product!" <=== About 3 minutes after the WSO went live.

      I hate that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Danielm
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        "When I saw your name on this I just went ahead and bought it. Great stuff!"
        I see that all the time! "Didn't even read the sales letter, saw your name and scrolled right to the buy button!!"

        Does anyone actually do that? I don't care who the poster is, I'm reading the sales letter.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Danielm View Post

          I see that all the time! "Didn't even read the sales letter, saw your name and scrolled right to the buy button!!"

          Does anyone actually do that? I don't care who the poster is, I'm reading the sales letter.
          Yup, the shills. And they lose my trust that fast.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
            "All I can say is WOW!"

            Sigh. Someone slap me, please...

            • You guys covered a few of others I would have mentioned like bullsh*t reviews from people who obviously didn't buy it in the first place, or bought on "name" alone.

            • There's also a few characters I see on like every half decent WSO thread heckling the WSO creators... usually to get something for free or subtly trash the thread. It's pretty obvious what they're up to, even though they thinly disguise it as being genuinely curious.

            • The generic "take action!" threads, trying to talk someone out of quitting because they couldn't figure IM out (boohoo). If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!
            • People trying to tell others to stop falling for "push button" get rich quick crap... I used to do this myself. Then you just wake up and realize that 90% of this forum are these kind of biz-opp seekers... NOT real marketers who actually want good info.
            That's enough for now, just thinking about this gives me the blues.

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            • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
              Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

              [*]There's also a few characters I see on like every half decent WSO thread heckling the WSO creators... usually to get something for free or subtly trash the thread. It's pretty obvious what they're up to, even though they thinly disguise it as being genuinely curious.

              Like any community, you got people working, people running errands taking care of business, then you got the pan-handlers, beggars and bums that just hang around productive people and try to throw some version, or latest version of a psyche game or guilt trip or reverse psychology to get something for nothing.

              Sometimes, even if you give them what they want, thats not even good enough, they want you to put them as dependents on your taxes and blame you for every failure and weakness they have, blame you for not taking responsibility for them, looking out for them, catch them when they fall.

              Hey, you don't even KNOW them.

              Also in every community, you got guys who do nothing but hang on the corner and do nothing but entertain themselves interfering, putting down or just having some smart ass comment to people who are just minding their business attempting to get some production out of life.


              Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

              [*]... I used to do this myself. Then you just wake up and realize that 90% of this forum are these kind of biz-opp seekers... NOT real marketers who actually want good info.
              I somewhat don't blame people, at first, for thinking that way because every piece of copy you see when you first discover marketing initially trains you that that is the way marketing supposed to work. That if you don't make $1,000,000 in the next 24 hours, you are either doing something wrong or you don't know marketing. You are missing a secret that you have to KEEP PURCHASING stuff to find that method that gets the "market copy" results.

              But if you are sincere, after a while, you supposed to learn in some measure, what is real marketing, the reasonable time it takes to build a business versus what is pipe dream hype, smoke and scams, scamming yourself, scamming other people.

              The 13th Warrior
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          • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


            Yup, the shills. And they lose my trust that fast.
            Never thought of that one.

            The only reason is there is one or two, who will remain nameless, that EVERY product from them was over-deliver, top quality, useful right away, so I almost agree with that statement 99.99%, but even if I know their integrity has been and currently is unquestionable, I STILL look at the sales page to see what I am looking at and if I can use it.

            Thats a good heads up, anyway, that piece of advice.

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  • Profile picture of the author dudeontheweb
    Yup, I've seen the same ole characters doing reviews and pumping up WSO's with their reviews. What I think is "How do they have all this money to be buying these WSO's and when do they have the time to read them?" You almost think these people have 10,000 gigs of WSO's on their hard drives.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The first thing I do is a quick view of the entire first page of any WSO I'm looking at.

    I know of a few forum members that have a review on a lot of WSOs (fake).

    If I see their forum avatar, I'm gone!

    I don't care If it's the best damn WSO that ever existed (for real), If I see those few avatars, the WSO author won't get a sale from me.

    I get a lot of the PM spam wanting me to do a review of their WSO (that I never bought, or cared about), from now on I'm going to copy & paste the PM directly into their WSO, see how that works out.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post



      I get a lot of the PM spam wanting me to do a review of their WSO (that I never bought, or cared about), from now on I'm going to copy & paste the PM directly into their WSO, see how that works out.

      I wonder why would they pick you to do that?

      Most senior warrior members are no nonsense , no kiss ass, quick to the point, don't waste time type of chaps.

      If wso has info in it that someone can get from a free ebook or reading warrior forum threads , they'll say so in the clearest of sense.

      Most don't have time, too busy in their other business, or is not even worth their time to comment that its mostly benign info that can be gotten anywhere for free, plus they may get accused of souring budding new marketers career, so this fall back is an additional reason why its not worth their time.

      Did they pick you cause they figured to get a "kid glove" review, or that you would be kind of "soft" on the negative aspects of their product?

      What about you makes them figure that?

      The 13th Warrior
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