sick cruelty in slaughterhouse

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I am appalled by a recent news report here in the UK regarding the treatment of animals brought in for slaughter....i don`t mean dirty or cramped conditions.
It showed pigs being led in being kicked, having cigarettes stubbed out in their faces, electric tongs being used to prolong the suffering of the animals by being placed purposely on the ears, tails body of the animals, keeping them alive so these despicable people could enjoy watching them being tortured.
Turkeys being thrown in the air while another person hits them with a base ball bat, etc.

I know the well known company Bernard Mathews were fined and the workers caught with secret cameras that were filmed by animal rights activists a few years ago, but sadly this practice continues to the disgust of decent people.

I would not put the film footage on here as it is so distressing.
How can these people be stopped?
It is difficult to convict them because of the cctv legal issue.

courts had refused to accept "unlawfully obtained video footage".
What can be done to eradicate this treatment of poor animals?
  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by highhopes View Post

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    courts had refused to accept "unlawfully obtained video footage".
    What can be done to eradicate this treatment of poor animals?
    One way to do it is to only buy meat from sources that aren't abusive to animals (more expensive). Or just stop eating meat I guess. I advise against supporting PETA which itself has a history of abuse towards animals, eg mass slaughter of dogs.
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    Unfortunately - I think the attitude goes with the job of slaughter. Could anyone who is in their right mind kill animal after animal day in and day out and stay sane?

    I would think that if people started to shoot people found torturing animals or maybe apply the same tortures to the humans, though, it would put a major dent in the practice. Until people start presenting major risks to those sick in the head enough to do these things it's not going to stop. Hire a psycho today. Serious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Could anyone who is in their right mind kill animal after animal day in and day out and stay sane?
      I definitely couldn't do it. I feel bad if I accidentally step on a snail. (I'm too soft in the head probably.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Could anyone who is in their right mind kill animal after animal day in and day out and stay sane?
      Once I killed a dog. I crashed into it with a motorcycle. It was its fault, I was riding very slow and it went out of a house running, and tried to cross the street. I don't have to describe the rest.

      That was several years ago and I still remember that awful moment, so I agree with you.
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      • Profile picture of the author highhopes
        Originally Posted by Alex Barboza View Post

        Once I killed a dog. I crashed into it with a motorcycle. It was its fault, I was riding very slow and it went out of a house running, and tried to cross the street. I don't have to describe the rest.

        That was several years ago and I still remember that awful moment, so I agree with you.
        It makes you think Sal, maybe the industry sucks in the nutters1 My mind was numb when the footage appeared on the TV, anger soon afterwards, sadness followed. I am afraid the human race needs some explaining at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author highhopes
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Unfortunately - I think the attitude goes with the job of slaughter. Could anyone who is in their right mind kill animal after animal day in and day out and stay sane?

      I would think that if people started to shoot people found torturing animals or maybe apply the same tortures to the humans, though, it would put a major dent in the practice. Until people start presenting major risks to those sick in the head enough to do these things it's not going to stop. Hire a psycho today. Serious.
      Unfortunately - I think the attitude goes with the job of slaughter. Could anyone who is in their right mind kill animal after animal day in and day out and stay sane?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        One way to do it is to only buy meat from sources that aren't abusive to animals (more expensive). Or just stop eating meat I guess. I advise against supporting PETA which itself has a history of abuse towards animals, eg mass slaughter of dogs.
        Those are the only things that will lead to change.

        Animals food is nothing new and won't stop. What we need to insist on is the life of the animal to be worth living. Animals raised entirely in tiny enclosures to create veal - and animals who never set foot outside during their life. These are not acceptable conditions for any living thing.

        Give livestock fields to roam and feed them naturally rather than packing them full of crap to fatten them up faster. Kill them humanely and painlessly.

        PETA goes too far. What's the point of releasing thousands of mink and other fur animals in protest when those animals will only die of starvation after release?

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        • Profile picture of the author Emily Johnson
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


          PETA goes too far. What's the point of releasing thousands of mink and other fur animals in protest when those animals will only die of starvation after release?

          kay
          As usual, its all taken to an extreme. What started off as a good cause turns into another power struggle filled with hate and desperation. The cause is therefore thrown in the backseat and were left focusing on more "important" issues such as who donated the most money at a charity event or who the next president of the company will be. Money, money, money wins again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Those are the only things that will lead to change.

          Animals food is nothing new and won't stop. What we need to insist on is the life of the animal to be worth living. Animals raised entirely in tiny enclosures to create veal - and animals who never set foot outside during their life. These are not acceptable conditions for any living thing.

          Give livestock fields to roam and feed them naturally rather than packing them full of crap to fatten them up faster. Kill them humanely and painlessly.

          PETA goes too far. What's the point of releasing thousands of mink and other fur animals in protest when those animals will only die of starvation after release?

          kay
          The question is where? We already have a big wild hog problem in many states that are destroying habitat.

          And free range cattle are a hot topic out west. In Nevada T Boone Picken's wife Madeline is the leader of an organization to protect wild horses. Cattle ranchers, along with the BLM, are ignoring federal laws protecting wild horses and putting up fences which restrict access to water, etc.

          There was a helicopter drive to "protect" the wild horses by herding them into corals "for their own good" that actually killed dozens of otherwise healthy pregnant mares and colts/foals.

          Cattle are very hard on the environment and tend not to move unless they are made to move. Horses on the other hand, are much more friendly to the environment and roam the land, not staying in one place long enough to do permanent damage.

          If we let cattle roam free in the west, we'll kill the wild horses. Here's Madeline Pickens' web page on the subject:
          Madeleine Pickens Wild Horse Sanctuary
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Those are the only things that will lead to change.

          Animals food is nothing new and won't stop. What we need to insist on is the life of the animal to be worth living. Animals raised entirely in tiny enclosures to create veal - and animals who never set foot outside during their life. These are not acceptable conditions for any living thing.

          Give livestock fields to roam and feed them naturally rather than packing them full of crap to fatten them up faster. Kill them humanely and painlessly.

          PETA goes too far. What's the point of releasing thousands of mink and other fur animals in protest when those animals will only die of starvation after release?

          kay
          PETA goes too far every year as it mass slaughters over 90% domestic dogs and cats under its care. This organization drips with blood and hypocrisy:
          PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com

          PETA suffers no guilt over its murderous actions and spends money that could be invested in the lives of animals under its care to produce its videos meant to instill guilt in their viewers. Supporters of PETA may be well-intentioned, but clued-out.
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  • Profile picture of the author DazedandConfused
    Funny - being "too soft in the head" is the same problem the Snail has...

    (pardon my attempt to briefly lighten up what is a very serious subject.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the ways its animals are treated."

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    Temple Grandin (a woman with Autism), designed a humane system for slaughter houses to use for cows. She's been a trailblazer for the ethical and humane treatment of livestock.

    I suggest you watch the film, "Temple Grandin", so you can fully appreciate what her life was like.

    Here's her website: Temple Grandin's Web Page, you may want to forward it to family, friends, and maybe even slaughter houses to help spread her ideas for humane treatment of animals.

    Here's a TED video of her doing a presentation on Autism and animals: http://www.ted.com/talks/temple_gran..._of_minds.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Sh*t! my headphones just broke down

      I'll have to watch that TED talk other day.

      Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

      "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the ways its animals are treated."

      ~ Mahatma Gandhi

      Temple Grandin (a woman with Autism), designed a humane system for slaughter houses to use for cows. She's been a trailblazer for the ethical and humane treatment of livestock.

      I suggest you watch the film, "Temple Grandin", so you can fully appreciate what her life was like.

      Here's her website: Temple Grandin's Web Page, you may want to forward it to family, friends, and maybe even slaughter houses to help spread her ideas for humane treatment of animals.

      Here's a TED video of her doing a presentation on Autism and animals: Temple Grandin: The world needs all kinds of minds | Video on TED.com
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Kurt - I'm not advocating free range.

        There was a man I knew in Ohio who raised hogs - and they were stuffed together into dark metal barns. The goal was to make them fat faster so they could go market fast. They were packed like sardines - because, he said, if they could exercise they wouldn't gain weight.

        Thankfully - that man went bankrupt some years ago. I celebrated.

        I was raised mostly on a farm and have uncles who raised cattle for many years. They don't need that much space - just a field (fenced) to graze in. Enough space to enjoy the sun and wind and move around. Humane treatment is what I meant.

        kay

        I said "don't need that much space" because these cattle were grain fed. If cattle are to feed themselves on a range, you need much more grassland, of course.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Kurt - I'm not advocating free range.

          There was a man I knew in Ohio who raised hogs - and they were stuffed together into dark metal barns. The goal was to make them fat faster so they could go market fast. They were packed like sardines - because, he said, if they could exercise they wouldn't gain weight.

          Thankfully - that man went bankrupt some years ago. I celebrated.

          I was raised mostly on a farm and have uncles who raised cattle for many years. They don't need that much space - just a field (fenced) to graze in. Enough space to enjoy the sun and wind and move around. Humane treatment is what I meant.

          kay

          I said "don't need that much space" because these cattle were grain fed. If cattle are to feed themselves on a range, you need much more grassland, of course.
          Yep...And the words of your's I bolded above and commented on were:

          Give livestock fields to roam and feed them naturally
          My definition of "roam" and "feed them naturally" seems to be a little different...IMO, feeding cattle grain isn't natural.

          But I do agree with this last post and the points which you clarified.

          BTW, my brother owns a 2000 acre cattle ranch, where the cattle do roam and graze naturally, although they are also given some grain.
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          • Profile picture of the author highhopes
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Yep...And the words of your's I bolded above and commented on were:



            My definition of "roam" and "feed them naturally" seems to be a little different...IMO, feeding cattle grain isn't natural.

            But I do agree with this last post and the points which you clarified.

            BTW, my brother owns a 2000 acre cattle ranch, where the cattle do roam and graze naturally, although they are also given some grain.
            This is a far cry from the Uk where dairy cows are treated badly in the process
            these animal angels highlight the state of UK farming.....supermarkets are squeezing farmers prices too! Maybe they should take responsible action to help alleviate this cruel treatment of our livestock?

            Animals Angels investigates the treatment of Dairy Cows
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Kurt - I see what you mean. I wrote it wrong.

              We had a little over 800 acres - a working farm. The cattle had good pasture and hay with supplemental grain. It was REAL grain, though, and not the processed, crap-added stuff they seems to be feeding these days.

              Horses were my passion but cows are so funny. If you sit on top of a pasture fence for quite some time - every cow in the field will gradually make his way over to you. They are curious.

              If a species can show curiosity - is it really a "dumb animal" or is the person making the judgment too stupid to understand animal behavior?:p
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Kurt - I see what you mean. I wrote it wrong.

                We had a little over 800 acres - a working farm. The cattle had good pasture and hay with supplemental grain. It was REAL grain, though, and not the processed, crap-added stuff they seems to be feeding these days.

                Horses were my passion but cows are so funny. If you sit on top of a pasture fence for quite some time - every cow in the field will gradually make his way over to you. They are curious.

                If a species can show curiosity - is it really a "dumb animal" or is the person making the judgment too stupid to understand animal behavior?:p

                There's two animals that make me laugh just by looking at them...Cows and penguins.
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