Man says hello to woman = Sexist

Gee TB - you have to be quick on the delete button not to get quoted in this place. Trust me on that one.

I don't agree that the feminist movement never did anything for any woman that wasn't already well off though. I had a few bosses in my younger years try to force sex on me by threatening my job. I used to tell them that if they needed to use force they weren't good enough for me to be interested. Real men seduce. It shut one of them up real well - the other fired me and I had no recourse because there was no law against it. We also used to not be considered for better jobs. We also had to have husbands that would sign for loans or start our businesses for us. We really were no more than glorified pets. So it was a good movement.

Unfortunately - they didn't know when to stop. If it makes the men in the crowd feel better, feminists are bitches to other women, too. If you want to look nice and dress up feminists sneer as if you are a prostitute. If a woman chooses to stay home and raise children in preference of working the feminists downgrade them. If you actually smile and thank someone for opening a door for you the feminists will call you a dishrag and patsy.

Hardcore feminists hate EVERYONE. They have issues so deep that they make Cybil look like a pillar of stability. They are extremely controlling and sex is their means of control. They are the female equivalent of rapists in that sense. Most rapists are not after sex. They use their penis to degrade and control. Feminists don't actually touch anyone, but they use their gender as a weapon, too, just on a psychological level instead of a physical one. It is the only means of control they know - and they have a very sick need for that control.

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Feminists don't actually touch anyone, but they use their gender as a weapon, too, just on a psychological level instead of a physical one. It is the only means of control they know - and they have a very sick need for that control.

Unfortunately they have also been very successful.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Gee TB - you have to be quick on the delete button not to get quoted in this place. Trust me on that one.

I don't agree that the feminist movement never did anything for any woman that wasn't already well off though. I had a few bosses in my younger years try to force sex on me by threatening my job. <snip>

I agree that on a range of issues, feminism has benefited society. That said, such crap you describe still goes on today. Now, twitter and suchlike gives it a new dimension. It's still not easy to sue someone for that.

(It's easier to just send Triads to deliver a message, so to speak)

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

I bet the author of that blog post has never had a man say "Hello" to her, LMAO!

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DazedandConfused

13 years ago

Woman says hello to man = Come on?

(or wishful thinking :rolleyes

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Personally, I think the person who wrote this article has way too much time
on their hands.

Now I'm waiting for all the feminists to club me to death.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

I'm talking about the hello that has an undertone of You, Woman, owe me, Man, your attention--an undertone that's usually so subtle as to be difficult to define, leaving me wondering if I'm just being a misanthropic New Yorker who can't play well with others.

It seems to me that she's not just being a misanthropic New Yorker who can't play well with others. In fact, that seems to me to be a distinctly charitable interpretation of what she's being ...

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Personally, I think the person who wrote this article has way too much time on their hands.

Now I'm waiting for all the feminists to club me to death.

Well, not me. I agree with you. Mind you, I'm not exactly one of those feminists, or - as they're unaccountably referred to on that site - "feministes".

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It seems to me that she's not just being a misanthropic New Yorker who can't play well with others. In fact, that seems to me to be a distinctly charitable interpretation of what she's being ...

Yeah but the real pisser is that now that people have read that crap, when someone says hello in a way that has a few undercurrents, we won't just ignore the situation like we used to - we'll actually think about it later, even if just for a second or two. I've never wasted my mental juice on something like that before and hope I can just forget about that abomination of a post so it doesn't make me just as loony as the author.

Ya know, Alexa - women sometimes put a little weight on the "hello" if they are interested in a man, too. I wonder if any of the guys ever thought of running home and writing a blog about it?

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MikeAmbrosio

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah but the real pisser is that now that people have read that crap, when someone says hello in a way that has a few undercurrents, we won't just ignore the situation like we used to - we'll actually think about it later, even if just for a second or two. I've never wasted my mental juice on something like that before and hope I can just forget about that abomination of a post so it doesn't make me just as loony as the author.

Ya know, Alexa - women sometimes put a little weight on the "hello" if they are interested in a man, too. I wonder if any of the guys ever thought of running home and writing a blog about it?

Frankly,unless there is something completely overt being said - such as, "Wow, hello there sexy!" "undertones" can and usually are misread by the one who hears it.

I say hello to pretty much anyone and my intention is always the same - to say hello. But if someone like that author decides there must be some "sexist undertone", I see that as their problem and not mine. After all, they don't know me.The "inflection" they think they hear in my voice may simply be how I talk normally. Yet, I need to "watch what I say", lest I be cast as some sexist pig...

LOL, I don't think so.

I get that everything seems to have to be "P.C." these days, but you have to draw the line somewhere and put the onus back on the ones bitching about stuff like that, and wonder if they simply need to up the dosage on whatever they're taking...

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah but the real pisser is that now that people have read that crap, when someone says hello in a way that has a few undercurrents, we won't just ignore the situation like we used to - we'll actually think about it later, even if just for a second or two. I've never wasted my mental juice on something like that before and hope I can just forget about that abomination of a post so it doesn't make me just as loony as the author.

Ya know, Alexa - women sometimes put a little weight on the "hello" if they are interested in a man, too. I wonder if any of the guys ever thought of running home and writing a blog about it?

So glad I don't say hello. I knew growling and licking my lips was the way to go:rolleyes:

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

So glad I don't say hello. I knew growling and licking my lips was the way to go:rolleyes:

I guess I have to watch out for the "holy crap" that sometimes escapes when I see someone more enticing than cheesecake. I wonder now if they felt exploited? LMAO. If I remember those body shirts correctly (or lack thereof) I'm kinda doubting it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I guess I have to watch out for the "holy crap" that sometimes escapes when I see someone more enticing than cheesecake. I wonder now if they felt exploited? LMAO. If I remember those body shirts correctly (or lack thereof) I'm kinda doubting it.

I wonder if they can spell exploited:rolleyes:
Last time I growled and licked my lips at a women she gave me a dog bone

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HeySal

13 years ago

I've been on the receiving end of the "hello" that this woman is speaking of. There's nothing subtle about the tones or inflections used. It actually comes across as an initiation of a dialogue for the purpose of seeing if each is interested in the other." It's no big deal. So what. Someone sees you as attractive. Unless a woman is an idiot, she knows to just ignore that person if she doesn't want to initiate a conversation. It's a polite way to say no to a possible request for a date (polite) or sexual encounter (impolite).

Women need equal ability to get a job and control their finances. If you have to be supported to survive, it's demeaning and courts abuses that turn you into a slave - of course, that's also true if it is a man who is being supported. If you have to be obedient to a spouse for your living, it's not a partnership, it's an ownership. (NOTE: I said HAVE to, not if that is how you prefer to live - it's having the choice I am talking about.)

But to take things to the point that a man has to think twice before he opens a door for a female who has her hands full or if she is in proximity that makes it convenient or polite to do so is just plain idiocy.

I will always expect to be able to make my own money and determine how to manage it. I will always expect that if I hold a job I can do so without a boss being able to tell me I have to put out or get out.

I will always expect a man to be able to open a door for a woman, say hello, or ask politely she is available to go out with them. I will always expect a man to be able to tell a woman that she looks great without fear of reprisal. (Hey - if you don't want a guy to notice your legs, put on a pair of pants and leave the skirt in the closet).

I will always expect a woman to be kind to those who are being kind to her - and to have the fortitude to tell ANYONE who is not to **** off without need of government intervention to do it for them.

If women are so damned scared to handle a simple off-color hello without posting blogs or pressing charges, or they can't use enough of their reasoning capability to know if they put on that skirt, someone might find them attractive and say so or if they need to be riled just because a door has been opened for them - and if that is too much for them to handle in the normal course of events without having been served a traumatic experience -- then they have devolved from the independent humans they sought to be to a sub-human form that needs protection of an owner to protect them 24/7 --- um........isn't that right back where they started from?

Guys -- please realize that all women have not gone insane.

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13 years ago

LOL! Then all men is only thinking of sex!

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13 years ago

This is really an interesting thing I know they will do next. lol

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

13 years ago

HeySal has some very good points...

But,
I'll always remember the time I held a door open for a lady, and she responded "you don't have to open the door for me because I'm a Lady!"...

I said, "I didn't open the door for you because you're a lady...I opened the door for you because I'm a Gentleman!"

(for the record, I was taught to hold a door for everyone...it's just polite)

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HeySal

13 years ago

Yeah it still goes on TB. All sorts of crap still goes on under the radar - not just crap on this subject either. People will always get away with what they can. But really....

So a guy says something low, filthy, demeaning, etc. What's he win by making people (both men and women) think he's a jerk? No that's not good enough. We have to have global hissy fits over it. LMAO.

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The 13th Warrior

13 years ago

Tell ya what.., if dude looked like Brad Pitt , Chris Evans(Captain America) or Tom Cruise , there would be NO article, just be lappin it up like a school girl crush.

"Hello", from HOT dude = " ...my possible Knight in Shining Armor..., my SOULMATE?!?"

"Hello" , from bridge TROLL= "...creep , sexist pig, night stalker, where's the police station and where's my lawyer, and where's the decency?"

Maybe the fellas can pick up a few tips here and adopt some of it into the social graces :

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

Tell ya what.., if dude looked like Brad Pitt , Chris Evans(Captain America) or Tom Cruise , there would be NO article, just be lappin it up like a school girl crush.

"Hello", from HOT dude = " ...my possible Knight in Shining Armor..., my SOULMATE?!?"

"Hello" , from bridge TROLL= "...creep , sexist pig, night stalker, where's the police station and where's my lawyer, and where's the decency?"

The 13th Warrior

That is about as real as it gets, 13.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yeah it still goes on TB. All sorts of crap still goes on under the radar - not just crap on this subject either. People will always get away with what they can. But really....

So a guy says something low, filthy, demeaning, etc. What's he win by making people (both men and women) think he's a jerk? No that's not good enough. We have to have global hissy fits over it. LMAO.

It didn't occur to me that an employer could legally protect themselves from potential lawsuits by getting prospective female employees to sign a form agreeing to be sexually harassed:

US woman sues ex-employer for subjecting her to No-bra Thursday - Yahoo! News

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

It didn't occur to me that an employer could legally protect themselves from potential lawsuits by getting prospective female employees to sign a form agreeing to be sexually harassed:

US woman sues ex-employer for subjecting her to No-bra Thursday - Yahoo! News

Oh Christ on a pogo stick. Incredible. Now that one I hope she wins, and exactly what the feminist movement was supposed to protect us from (not from heathens who would be so humiliating as to open a door for us:rolleyes

. I can actually say that I have no doubt that incident stressed her out and caused some trauma. Can you even start to imagine what it would be like to have your livelihood hinge on such behaviors? Does she work in a brothel or strip club or what?

If someone handed me those papers, I'd end up in jail for assault and battery. Nevertheless - if you open or door for me or complement the way I look after going through the trouble of fixing up, my answer will be a smile and a "thank you".

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

It's feminists like this one that give them all a bad name. This is ridiculous no matter what way you look at it. How about just not talk to the guy? Turning a simple word like "hello" into some symbolic, hidden meaning or metaphor is asinine. Either too much time or a bad complex, the world may never know.

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

I suppose holding the door while playing either "Hello. I love you, won't you tell me your name," by The Doors or "Hello" by Lionel Richie is out of the question then. Especially the part at the end where Morrison is screaming, "Hello. . . Hello . . . Hello!" . . . The look on the face would be priceless.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

Unofficially in terms of social etiquette when a man says "Hello" "Want to dance" "That's a nice dress" it means he is only after one thing

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majesticphantom

13 years ago

Lol, I sure hope not! I told a lady on the lift this morning she was wearing a nice dress!! :O

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Pauline60

13 years ago

It is perfectly possible to have equality alongside traditional manners. I do not feel insulted if a man holds a door open for me, its simple good manners. I will hold a door open for a man if it seems appropriate. I see no reason to feel affronted of a man behaves like a gentleman towards me, it is in no way demeaning.

If a man insults my intelligence or infers that I cannot do certain things simply because I am a women then that is a different matter.

Just because I am the equal of a man does not mean that I do not want to be treated like a woman.

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clint48 13 years ago

A lady dropped her credit card in the parking lot today and didn't know she dropped it. I was sitting in my car so I blew my horn and pointed at the credit card. She looked my way for just a moment and continued walking to her car.

I didn't like the fact that she just ignored me, but I got out of my car picked up her credit card and got to her car just as she was pulling out. It's sad that she felt like I was trying to pick her up or worst, but I understand she was just being careful, she didn't know me and I could have been someone that would have harmed her as far as she knew.

It's very possible if someone else picked up the card she would be out at least $50.00, but I think she did the right thing, because her life is much more important than $50.00.
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Patrician

13 years ago

I have always hated the whole premise of feminazis. They are closet lesbians who hate men but try to imitate them. Does this make sense? Not at all.

I am all for equal rights and all of course, but they have created a huge backlash and just like the entire 'politically correct' army they so just suck the life out of life.

With that said however, there are men who 'glare' and they instantly cause me to visualize a huge iron frying pan that I smack them in the face with. I really go crazy inside my head and any response they get from me will likely feel like I have spit right in their face and they are worth as much as a bug on my windshield. If assault wasn't illegal I swear I would really hurt them.

It's not ever about saying 'hello' or even 'hell-oh there!' - one friendly, one flirty - that's fine - it's normal. Birds and Bees. It's about 'undressing you with their eyes' - in other words you are female and that gives them the right to molest you.

The thing that makes me crazy is that they are being presumptuous. It's like how rape is not about sex but about control and abuse. I feel like I am being raped - I have no control over the moment. It's a horrible feeling.

... and it is not true if the guy is cute it will be any different than if he is a toad. He will be ugly to me if he comes off like a pig. A pig is a pig is a pig. ('you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear').

People can flirt and be friendly and they are both a compliment, but to be presumptuous and think every woman is a slut that is just out there for their enjoyment is really very insulting.

p.s. before the big 'movement' that made sexual harassment in the workplace a no-no, people did not understand the 'glare' thing and I am sure they thought I was nuts. But now that actual word is used in many corporations to describe a form of illegal sexual harassment.

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wilder1047

13 years ago

Man that stuff drives me nuts.

Can a guy do anything right??

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

I was once flogged for saying hello.

[Just kidding, I didn't really say hello.]

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micol

13 years ago

Imagine if tomorrow every man in the world ignored every woman totally. Similar scenario, young pretty girl becomes ugly old woman and would give anything for a young man to show her attention just one more time.

Women need to get some perspective, ignore the creeps and remember that without a man saying hello to a woman at some point, you or I wouldn't be here and if you're married and happy, it's most likely because a guy said hello to you at some point.

Women's lib works very well for lesbians, not quite so well for straight women looking for the right guy.

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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

"male occupation of public space"
LOL
They should be fined for using public space!!!

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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

This is just another case of someone experiencing an anxiety we all share (to some degree) but then justifying an extreme reaction to it with references to some -ism (sexism, racism, ageism, etc.)

If a stranger says hello to me then I find this uncomfortable until I know exactly what they want. I can attribute this to a mixture of social anxiety, a little paranoia, a touch of irritability and wariness that someone's about to try and sell me something. If I don't like how that makes me feel about myself afterwards then I ought to just live with the fact that I'm not a very friendly or trusting person (or that I live in an unfriendly or distrustful world).

The fact of the matter is that as a man, I'm more likely to suffer violence from a another man than a women is. Furthermore, if I'm subjected to a violent attack in the street, I'm less likely to have anyone come to my assistance then if I were a women. Following her argument no-one should say hello to anyone because it can always be intimidating to some degree.

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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

Ok just finished that article. Couldn't handle it all at once. How could someone babble on and on and on about the word "hello"??? My reaction to that article: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The most ridiculous article ever. And makes me glad I don't live in NYC.

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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

I want to know?
Why is it when a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment,
but when a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $3.95 a minute? ;p

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

First it's you cannot say hello and now it's you can't look at a woman. What's a guy to do? Next it will be, "don't walk by a woman or your presence might intimidate her." There's got to be a line drawn. Society is getting ridiculous on what actually is inappropriate and harassing. . . . I say we should all have a coke together and smile and say hello.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896

First it's you cannot say hello and now it's you can't look at a woman. What's a guy to do? Next it will be, "don't walk by a woman or your presence might intimidate her." There's got to be a line drawn. Society is getting ridiculous on what actually is inappropriate and harassing. . . . I say we should all have a coke together and smile and say hello.

Next, males will not be allowed to occupy public space without a permit.

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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

There's an unintentionally hilarious post on that blog in which someone posts a feminist joke and then all the commenters argue amongst themselves because they can't tell whether the joke is aimed at the feminist guy (who is attempting to chat up a feminist women) or whether you're supposed to laugh at the women he's chatting up.

We all know feminists are a pretty humorless bunch but not even being able to get their own jokes

To top it all there are feminist men commenting trying to explain it to feminist women!

(and by feminist I don't mean women who want to be treated equally but people who consider acknowledging another human's greeting to be pandering to the obnoxious demands of random strangers demanding their attention :rolleyes

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kellydouglas

13 years ago

If someone says hello to girl he might be interested in that girl. It is very natural!

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If someone says hello to girl he might be interested in that girl. It is very natural!

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