Do you believe in facts?

You may sound me bit harsh but i only believe in my Eyes and Ears .... no matter what the matter it may be !

Do you have any facts to back up the fact that you believe in facts?
Facts should have some basis in reality - but a reality does not necessarily have to be based on facts.

(see parallax view)

What is your definition of a fact? ...something that can be proven scientifically? ...any agreed upon reality? ...is anything a fact, or merely our perceptions of reality?

Facts are ever changing, and no one person can have all the facts about a given subject or situation. We can endeavor to base our believing or make the best decision based on the facts we already know or are presented with, but this still does not gaurantee that you are making the correct decision or believing correctly. Unless you have a baseline, or a definate standard for truth, not fact, but truth. You gotta be able to bring everything that comes at your 5 senses back to a baseline or standard for truth. Most do not have this assurance........

No, because most people from their early childhood were taught that the sky is blue. So, that one would be hard for anyone to budge on.

Maybe, more than likely yes. Why, because you have not heard anything to the contrary. And I believe that most people in general are trusting individuals. We were built to believe. We would look at that situation and probably not think twice about it, because it's not that big of a deal or life changing or threatning. And if we did think twice about it, we would probably come to the conclusion of "why would so many people be telling me this if it were not true".

No, that should be an obvious conclusion. Because there is no logic to that at all. Only IF there were no such thing as truth could that be possible. Meaning. That could only exist in a world where that is not real, not tangible, a world that is not made up of solid physical laws and spiritual laws. A world that is realityless. Which is not possible.

Nope........

What's funny is this. There is truth and fact. Reality though has to come from truth. Facts are ever changing. Some facts are truth based , and some facts are biased, they are not really truth facts. They are just accepted as facts.

On a side note, many people's reality, is not truth, nor facts. Their reality can be tainted by emotions, and biases, facts that are not truth, so much that they the world they live and breath, and walk in (from their perception) is not reality as another sees it....

Definately not, because scientist are not infallible and many, many times change what they believe over time. And other reasons I can't really discuss.

That's tricky. Just because you experience something does not mean it was truth. It may have been a factual happening but not truth, meaning not reality. Reality via truth. Which is based on one thing and one thing only, which cannot be OPENLY discussed on this forum, because to many people freak out when they discuss it.

Columbus "discovered" "America" in 1492 -
We are taught in school this is a fact - but is it ?

Anything my Government tells me...well then, it must be fact! [citation needed]

Sometimes need to believe in yourself, instead of listening to others, only you will have the answer after experience

You have indeed opened a can of worms. I believe what i believe and don't push it on anyone so long as i don't have other people's oppinions put onto me. Whether all that has happened and we believe is truely fact or not doesn't stop the vast majority of the population making it seem like it.

That's not about "facts": it's about societal agreement about the meaning of the word "green".

There is such a vast scope of facts and knowledge that no one person can know all of the existing facts. We must then rely on groups of people in the authority of a given set of similar facts, or subjects...and unfortunately we, for the most part must trust in what they tell us.

Here is the interesting thing:

It becomes dangerous when groups of authority, or percieved authority realize that are so depended on, and have little accountability...for instance something dealing with a deep and complex form of science for example...the layman isn't anywhere near capable of chalenging any facts presented to us.

So we have to take there word for it.

...and this is where manipulation and agendas start to creep into the reality that affects all of us.

The control of information is one of the 2 most powerful things on this planet. The control of money is the other.

Both of those combined, control the laws and protocols we live by, and it trickles down from there.

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Do you believe in facts?

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Fact #5: All the above facts are facts at the time of my posting this reply.

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So, Yes I believe in proven facts. I take hearsay for what it worth until it
can be proven.

Have a Great Day,
Michael

If were BLIND, MAYBE! I can see and the sky MIGHT be green! It might look GREEN to me! WHO KNOWS!?!?!? The FACT is that whatever color I see in the sky is, to me, within fixed norms. If someone tells me the sky is GREEN, and I look up and see the norms I know have historically been BLUE, I will tell them they are WRONG, it is BLUE! EVEN if, if they saw the color I saw it MAY look green to them. BTW I used to deal with electronics, and they have color charts. MY understanding of how the world perceives color is enforced by those charts. So the color I perceive as blue says it is blue. Again, I may ACTUALLY be seeing a different color, but the differences are distinct.

Not a fact, but I might relate it to the principal.

NOPE! Most of what we are told is probably lies and half truths! Mark Joyner actually gave names to getting people to agree or "remember" something by planting SHILLS in the audience! It is ASTOUNDING what people OPENLYdo to make sales or sell a point.

NOPE! Differences in the surface, different media, and changes relating to its relative position show it to be what it is.

It flies in the fact of logic and perception. Logic dictates that colors are based on how the light is generated and/or the material they hit. Since space is devoid of anything, and doesn't generate light, it should be black. The sky appears blue because of the way the light is diffused in the atmosphere. At night there is no light, so it is black. Apolarbears fur ends up reflecting the light making it appear white.

THAT is how I am. If things don't fit, I may throw them out. I am willing to believe that the color I see in the sky is green. That IS possible! BUT, if that is possible, then the color I perceive as green is perceived by most others as one they relate to being blue. Color is VERY hard to describe, ESPECIALLY if you can't use color as a reference. For example, I could say yellow and blue make green. WHAT is yellow? WHAT is blue? I could show what I understand to be yellow and blue, but do THEY know we are BOTH seeing the same thing?

I would have believed the earth was round from day one! The planets are ALL roughly round! Based on the way they move, a round shape is understandable. Looking into the distance you can see a difference, etc... In a sense, the world IS flat! ALL levels are ROUGHLY the same distance from an equidistant point. And that explains EVERYTHING, including how a ball can roll on the ground. Of course, the only way everything can be equidistant from one point is to be round! But the bigger it is, the flatter any one spot appears to be.

Btw: The Sky IS green! -

The reason the sky looks blue to you is due to light refraction and reflection -
When you see a Rainbow, it is refracting more of the colors in the light spectrum -
just as a prism...just because you normally don't see them does not mean they are not there...


It all boils down to perception...what you PERCEIVE to be the truth and fact.

A more interesting question might be - What color is the sky to an ape? - or a dog?


@Roaddog below - that is correct! It is all merely a matter of semantics...

Just as I know man and dinosaurs used to live together in harmony -
Because I saw it on "The Flintstones"! :rolleyes:

OHHhhh!!...facts...all this time I was believing in conjecture...

Dammit....

Aha, Grasshopper!
Therein lies the conundrum...
Perception is itself merely a perception...

Just remember not to put Descartes before De Horse....

It's good to be skeptical as long as at some point when the evidence to suggest something is overwhelming in the favor of the argument such as gravity. You can question it all day long, and there's nothing to say that if we wake up tomorrow that it might not be the same, but up to now it has been consistent. That's all you can ask of facts and science. There are data to back up the facts, but at any time things can change based on new developments or actual changes in the physicality of the situation. Nothing is ever set or guaranteed other than death. Things can change at any time, but we must also take things into consideration as they are at the present and assume that some things will remain consistent unless shown to be otherwise.

After all I've read above, my head hurts.

And that is a fact.

For those that don't consider facts...Let's put this to a test. Let me take you to the top of a 40 story building. I will explain the fact that if you step off the top, you will fall. I've never tested this myself, and am only relying on experts.

Who here doesn't believe my statement of fact and is willing to take me up on this challenge to prove me wrong?

You post is very disturbing and annoying.

I have a feeling the world is not ready for someone like you.

I also have a feeling the worlds greatest scientists and/or richest people will soon have another member and his name will be Justin

Of course I beleive in facts =)

Facts are the actuality of experiences. If someone have experience & gone through any particular situation & closely viewed by own eyes, then, it is the fact for that person. Some believe in facts when any other person says & some do not believe in such views untill & unless, they personally face the situation.

Test #2. Someone give me a $100 bill for me to "break" for you. I will give you back a $5 bill and tell you that we're even, because maybe we are?

I have an opinion (which is not a fact), people should stop taking things so seriously I see a lot of people trying to push others down for their thoughts. Just let it be

Yes, it is thinking outside the lines of regular processes, but it's not wrong because someone says it. It's their belief. I personally feel facts are just not exactly what we perceive them as being. Just because something is written as a fact (moreso talking about scientific and historical information, than just random basic things) it doesn't mean that it's an absolute.

@Kurt, I love your concepts on the question

I was moreso talking about scientific/historical events in past and present.

Also your perception of $100 to $5 being even could be pondered against but I doubt anyone has the patience to put in the effort.

But, you could give me $5 for my $100 and let's just say I didn't value currency and the paper was the same, I would then say, sure we're even, end of story

Justin, since you put it that way, I'll have to say that your op is in fact the
first post in this thread.

And another fact is that I will say before I conclude this post,
Have a Great Day Twice.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

PS, Just in case. I wasn't talking about posting it two times. I was literally
talking about adding the word Twice to it. It's all in perception. Reality
is what you make it based on your present knowledge.

Of course, I believe in facts because facts are true! Even so, we all know that some facts are lies and for you to know if it is a lie, you must have experienced it first!

The Fact that Dinosaur exist... do you believe in this fact?

@Swchiiz,

For one you stated that Dinosaurs exist. Meaning they are still in existence.

To be honest, that's a theory. So would the fact be that they don't exist.

We may never know for certain.

And even in the situation of finding a live dinosaur, it doesn't mean they exist Just as everything could be an illusion

Truth is about perception. Facts are ever-changing, but hard truths.

It may be true that the sky is blue... but not if you're color blind. The fact is that there is a sky and its colors changes depending upon weather, etc.

@Trevesty, that's a great way to look at it.

You could also consider the fact that some of us only see certain things, but not everyone personally experiences something. It goes on the same concept of what you are talking about, but a little different.

Of course if someone is color blind, the color may look different. Because that is there experience.

Just because 150,000 people see a color as blue, and then 1 person sees a color as red. Doesn't mean either are facts. It could be that the 1 person is normal, whilst the 150,000 people are actually colorblind. Or it could be the fact that the 150,000 people are normal, while the 1 person is colorblind.

But also "facts" aren't just about perception. Many consider it a "fact" that the earth is round. But I bet you very few of them have actually seen the earth as a whole. So they may perceive it as flat or slightly curved.

If up is up & down is down, what's left, right? :confused:

You got that right.

Oh I believe that if I check your other 3 posts and they are as informative as
this one then your time here on the forum may be very short.

Then again I could be wrong.

What the hell is a Fact anyway???

Have a Great Day!
Michael

There should be a clear distinction between fact and perception.

Facts never change...they cannot change. The very meaning of the word fact itself, infers a state of permanence.

There are underlying facts about everything in existence...and they never change. It is what holds the universe together and makes it function.

Perception however, is ever evolving and changing....and it changes in accordance with new understanding of an underlying fact.

Those with higher understanding of a set of facts will likely have a truer perception about said facts than someone who isn't as well versed in the set of facts.

For example, someone with more understanding of the relevant sciences might state that the facts are: The sky reflects a myriad of colors simultaneously.
The facts are: Humans have visual receptors which limit them to seeing only blue. or whatever it is to the individual. The receptors in dogs etc, have their own set of limitations. The fact still remains that the sky reflects a myriad of colors simultaneously.

The facts are: That third party forces such as weather, preciptiation and sunlight can further alter how our receptors recieve the reflected light of the sky much the same as putting sunglasses on changes my current perception of the sky, not the sky itself.

Because there is consistency in the world, that is proof of unchanging fact. That is the reason we can even advance in knowledge, get from here to there, or even wake up still shaped like a human.

Then again...if something drops on my head tomorrow and I die, only to find out I'm really a fish in a bowl having a vivid dream...I'm going to be seriously pissed.

Facts change all the time. No where in the definition of the word fact does permanence show up.

The fact is constantly changing, no one can have all the facts on a subject or situation. We believe that our efforts to make the best decision base or on the basis of what we already know the facts or submitted, but it still does not guarantee you make the right decision or believe is correct.

You don't understand the meaning of the word fact.

It is merely what is BELIEVED to be true.

fact (fkt)n.1. Something believed to be true or real:


Einstein's theory of relativity was a fact until it was discovered that it is incorrect.

Please refer to Stephen Hawkins for the definition of a fact and that yes indeed facts are changing every day.

Facts are like statistics. 50% of the time they are not true lol

my theories of facts is that fact is still an unproved but acceptable theories :-) it only approved on certain time scale.. when a new data or research collected, the fact will became updated..

Here is Wiki on facts...but for a fact, I'm not sure it's really there...

I only understand "facts" as based on reality. But with the different ideas presented, I got new insights...

Thanks for sharing guys

What an interesting thread I believe in facts if they can be backed up by proven research. A fact by definition is something that has been proven to be true. If a fact isn't real, then it cannot be a fact, it must be an opinion.

I believe we are powerful beings who are capable of doing anything we set our mind to. If we laser focus on something like the sun's rays going through a magnifying glass, I believe we can accomplish anything. Our potential is unlimited and the only limitations we have are those which we place on ourselves. The only facts I think there are are just the laws like the law of gravity and such.

James

The Fact is I need help how to promote my blog.

Any Judge or Lawyer will tell you that eye-witness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence. For that reason I'm extremely reluctant to believe in something simply because other people say it's so.

I always think of a case that was in the news a decade or two ago. A man was convicted of robbing a Kentucky Fried Chicken and killing someone in the process. He was obviously guilty because more than a dozen eye-witnesses swore that they were positive he was the perpetrator. Then several years later a guy who looked similar admitted to the crime and other evidence substantiated his admission.

Or what about all of the sailors of yesteryear who swore that they saw the edge of the Earth during a sea voyage? Then later we discovered that the Earth is round and has no edge.

Or the people who swear that they saw the faces of aliens inside their flying saucer and then some guy admits that the ufo was a Japanese Lantern that he set off as a hoax.

Some of those witnesses were liars and some of them simply saw something that they couldn't explain so they came up with an explanation that made sense to them. But in any case, they were wrong.

So much for believing in things just because lots of other people swear it's true.