Florida Father, Referees Son's Fight, Pummels Teen Who Beat His Boy

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Tough guy dad organizes fight between his son and another teen and after his son quits the dad beats up the other teen. The dad is 6'5" and weighs 220. Teen is about half his size. Dad just made bail.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Tim, it sounds like that dad needs to be in prison from what you said, but your link doesn't work so I can't read the story. Not sure if I really want to read the story. Some types of idiocy just make me so angry.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Fixed it Dennis. ( thanks Kurt also for posting link ) Yeah, it will likely make you angry. He also was reportedly suspended from his job as an emergency room technician. I'm not sure if this guy should be in an emergency room. 8-l

      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Tim, it sounds like that dad needs to be in prison from what you said, but your link doesn't work so I can't read the story. Not sure if I really want to read the story. Some types of idiocy just make me so angry.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, we don't see the FULL story. The REAL question is WHY did it happen. If it happened because the guy sucker punched the fathers kid, or some such, maybe the son wanted to make things right(He COULD have been severely hurt), and the father referreed. My connection today is slow, so I can't really watch the video.

    Anyway, the kid was obviously a bully type. So the father treated him like a bully that hurt his son. The idea of size, etc.... is basically saying that because he is a minor, only minors should touch him. So the father should stand back even if his son's throat is being slit.

    I could understand the father's anger in such a case.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steve, this is one time I disagree with you. By the account related in the story, the two boys were having a "street" fight and the dad was only there to make sure it was fair. His song lost and walked away and then after a verbal exchange the father,who is clearly much larger that the boy,sucker punched him.ANd didn't stop when the boy was clearly down,he continued to beat him. The oonly bully I see is the father,which makes me wonder,like father,like son?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Steve, this is one time I disagree with you. By the account related in the story, the two boys were having a "street" fight and the dad was only there to make sure it was fair. His song lost and walked away and then after a verbal exchange the father,who is clearly much larger that the boy,sucker punched him.ANd didn't stop when the boy was clearly down,he continued to beat him. The oonly bully I see is the father,which makes me wonder,like father,like son?
      Well, you didn't speak to my question, and validated it! You said "The boys were having a street fight" I asked WHY!?!?!?!? As for the son? He walked away, and pulled the father away. And the guy that was hit so bad basically ASKED for it, like he knew the father was POWERLESS.

      HEY, I never disagreed with anyone here, I simply said WHAT IF? Frankly, my theory makes PERFECT sense and explains EVERYTHING! The other people here have merely stated something that doesn't make sense but NO MATTER WHAT, the "victim" was certainly NOT totally blameless.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Well, you didn't speak to my question, and validated it! You said "The boys were having a street fight" I asked WHY!?!?!?!? As for the son? He walked away, and pulled the father away. And the guy that was hit so bad basically ASKED for it, like he knew the father was POWERLESS.

        HEY, I never disagreed with anyone here, I simply said WHAT IF? Frankly, my theory makes PERFECT sense and explains EVERYTHING! The other people here have merely stated something that doesn't make sense but NO MATTER WHAT, the "victim" was certainly NOT totally blameless.

        Steve
        You can think of a reason that it is justified for a 6'5", 200 some pound man to kick a teenager in the head when he is on the ground and unarmed? Some actions don't need to show whether they are justified or not. Someone kicks someone in the head when they are down, that person better be armed and in an attitude to kill you when they get up or there is no justification for an action that violent.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Strange situation. I wonder what caused this. If the dad was referring the fight, I don't understand why he'd logically attack the boy if his son lost. Doesn't make much sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      Strange situation. I wonder what caused this. If the dad was referring the fight, I don't understand why he'd logically attack the boy if his son lost. Doesn't make much sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I think there's more to the story than is being told. Not that the father was justified in what he did, but there seemed to be a lot of people standing around unconcerned.

    The father needs to go to prison if the story is as it is being portrayed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      First - you don't organize and referre a fight for your kid. That's just stupid.

      If you are 36 - you don't attack a 16 yr old. I don't care what he says or does. YOU are the adult. What did he teach his own son? That losing your temper is acceptable? That if you can't win you fight dirty?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        First - you don't organize and referre a fight for your kid. That's just stupid.

        If you are 36 - you don't attack a 16 yr old. I don't care what he says or does. YOU are the adult. What did he teach his own son? That losing your temper is acceptable? That if you can't win you fight dirty?
        So f a little 5 yr old kid is beaten up by a 17yo strong male kid it is ok because they are both minors, and if the girl didn't win, TOUGH!?!?!?

        Punishment should be directed to the one that did wrong, NOT one simply because they are weaker, or less able to fight.

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Umm, it matters when one is an adult and the other is a young teen. Period. What's the problem getting this?

          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          So f a little 5 yr old kid is beaten up by a 17yo strong male kid it is ok because they are both minors, and if the girl didn't win, TOUGH!?!?!?

          Punishment should be directed to the one that did wrong, NOT one simply because they are weaker, or less able to fight.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Umm, it matters when one is an adult and the other is a young teen. Period. What's the problem getting this?
            Gee, I OBVIOUSLY understand that! Did you read what you quoted me as saying? NEITHER was legally an adult! What problem do YOU have understanding the concept?


            OH YEAH..., That's right..... Sorry for thinking otherwise!

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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Kay posted "If you are 36 - you don't attack a 16 yr old. I don't care what he says or does. YOU are the adult." Then you posted your response which didn't really make much sense, basically arguing that age, strength or size shouldn't matter and that's why I posted what I did.

              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Gee, I OBVIOUSLY understand that! Did you read what you quoted me as saying? NEITHER was legally an adult! What problem do YOU have understanding the concept?


              OH YEAH..., That's right..... Sorry for thinking otherwise!

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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Kay posted "If you are 36 - you don't attack a 16 yr old. I don't care what he says or does. YOU are the adult." Then you posted your response which didn't really make much sense, basically arguing that age, strength or size shouldn't matter and that's why I posted what I did.
                The comment that REALLY got me was: "That losing your temper is acceptable? That if you can't win you fight dirty?"!

                Frankly, I NEVER liked the idea of someone fighting from a position of strength to hurt an innocent person, REGARDLESS of age!

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    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

    I think there's more to the story than is being told. Not that the father was justified in what he did, but there seemed to be a lot of people standing around unconcerned.

    The father needs to go to prison if the story is as it is being portrayed.
    A little bit of background...In Florida, where this took place, there's been a disturbing trend to have "fight club" type events. If you've ever heard of Kimbo Slice, he got his "fame" fighting in these types of events in FLA.

    This appears to have been another of these "fight club" things, where the dad was supposed to be a ref for a "fair" fight.

    I don't agree with what is going on, only giving a possible (likely) explanation why there was a small crowd watching the event. In FLA, watching people fight is becoming entertainment. It's sad.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      A little bit of background...In Florida, where this took place, there's been a disturbing trend to have "fight club" type events. If you've ever heard of Kimbo Slice, he got his "fame" fighting in these types of events in FLA.

      This appears to have been another of these "fight club" things, where the dad was supposed to be a ref for a "fair" fight.

      I don't agree with what is going on, only giving a possible (likely) explanation why there was a small crowd watching the event. In FLA, watching people fight is becoming entertainment. It's sad.
      It's hard to believe that it is that simple, ESPECIALLY because one decided to quit.

      But reffing such a fight, if it is, or becomes, a real fight, is something an adult couldn't do for a lot of reasons, both legal and ethical. Among the ethical ones is that giving them a venue is tantamount to condoning and encouraging the fight. Among the legal is that with such approval, they take on liability for the injured party, etc.... They could EVEN be jailed for it! At least with the theory I proposed, it was a controlled way for the victim to have some real recourse. I mean for the culture to consider it full recourse, they would have to show that they could give as good as they got. And that is NOT to say I condone it. I don't make up the rules, that is just the way it is. If you look like a punching bag, you may be ridiculed for it and used as such.

      I agree though, the idea of fight clubs is WRONG! Frankly, I can't understand it. I even HATE the fact that SYFY has wrestling on now! WHAT does that even have to do with scifi?

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I can understand how hard it would be to watch your kid loose a fight but...

    ...dad was wrong to strike first at the minor - period.

    His emotions got the best of him and now he's facing jail time - I think.

    If it was a matter of the other kid bullying his son and the dad arranging a little get together - I see no problem with that - if the son was willing or maybe not.

    After she passed away, I heard the Vice President talk about how his mother would make him go back outside and fight someone just so he could walk down the street with some dignity.

    I don't know the circumstances of the initial get together refereed by the dad but dad was wrong to attack the other kid first period.

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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Fight Clubs are like amateur private MMA matches. I think for sure it's a cultural issue why this father set up the fight. He was pissed his son lost and started to talk guff to the boy who beat him. When the boy talked it back he acted on pure impulse and beat the snot out of him.

    They have a place for folks who cannot control their impulses and it looks like he is heading straight there.

    Now what if the fight was just a fight. He looks out the window and sees his son being pummeled. Would he have the right to go out and defend his child?

    Another thing to consider is whether or not their was a crime committed with the sanctioning of the fight. It's illegal to fight dogs and cocks. I imagine the perp in this case is going to get charged with a whole lot more than assault and battery.

    Personally the only fights I set up for my kids are on the Xbox 360 on Fight Night 4. My son is 14 years old and I wipe the floor of him and his friends on it. I am ruthless too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Fight Clubs are like amateur private MMA matches. I think for sure it's a cultural issue why this father set up the fight. He was pissed his son lost and started to talk guff to the boy who beat him. When the boy talked it back he acted on pure impulse and beat the snot out of him.

      They have a place for folks who cannot control their impulses and it looks like he is heading straight there.

      Now what if the fight was just a fight. He looks out the window and sees his son being pummeled. Would he have the right to go out and defend his child?

      Another thing to consider is whether or not their was a crime committed with the sanctioning of the fight. It's illegal to fight dogs and cocks. I imagine the perp in this case is going to get charged with a whole lot more than assault and battery.

      Personally the only fights I set up for my kids are on the Xbox 360 on Fight Night 4. My son is 14 years old and I wipe the floor of him and his friends on it. I am ruthless too.
      Sure the dad would have a right to defend his son, using the MINIMAL force necessary to do so.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Let me just say ahead of time, that I do not condone that father's actions...

    However, my wife works at the local High School, and there's an alarming trend among a lot of teenagers right now of extreme rude behavior. Much of it would be criminal behavior if they were adults. They know they can say and do anything to any adult without repercussion, and they very often do.

    There have been several times that I've gone to pick up my wife from work, and have had teenagers taunting me w/ a verbal tirade that would have had my own son picking Lifebuoy out of his teeth for weeks. And that very scene from that video above has played out in my head many times. - BUT - It's father's like the one above that are likely the root.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      However, my wife works at the local High School, and there's an alarming trend among a lot of teenagers right now of extreme rude behavior. Much of it would be criminal behavior if they were adults. They know they can say and do anything to any adult without repercussion, and they very often do.

      There have been several times that I've gone to pick up my wife from work, and have had teenagers taunting me w/ a verbal tirade that would have had my own son picking Lifebuoy out of his teeth for weeks. And that very scene from that video above has played out in my head many times. - BUT - It's father's like the one above that are likely the root.
      I didn't act that way due the widely accepted "abusive" way of raising kids when I was growing up...
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        I didn't act that way due the widely accepted "abusive" way of raising kids when I was growing up...
        Same here... And I'm not condoning violence as the answer. When I was a kid there were plenty of times when I thought I knew more than the adults around me. Thankfully I had parents that loved me enough to give me just a touch of physical perspective when I needed it.

        However I never received a beat-down like this man handed out. Like someone else above said - his inability to control his impulses shows an extreme lack of maturity. And if the kid was mouthing off - the father's violent reply just reinforced his behavior.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post


      Let me just say ahead of time, that I do not condone that father's actions...

      However, my wife works at the local High School, and there's an alarming trend among a lot of teenagers right now of extreme rude behavior. Much of it would be criminal behavior if they were adults. They know they can say and do anything to any adult without repercussion, and they very often do.

      There have been several times that I've gone to pick up my wife from work, and have had teenagers taunting me w/ a verbal tirade that would have had my own son picking Lifebuoy out of his teeth for weeks. And that very scene from that video above has played out in my head many times. - BUT - It's father's like the one above that are likely the root.

      The father should go to prison for the beat down.

      But when the kid started mouthing off and approached and chest bumped him, daring him, the dude had the right to whack the **** out of that punk kid.

      He should've left it right there.

      At his size and weight, an open palmed strike would've done the trick.

      Right or wrong, betcha that kid won't ever try that again, to anybody. Probably saved him from a life of crime, I've heard , first hand , of a lot of stories like that.

      These kids nowadays have no regard or respect for adults, or the law.

      Criminal and gang like behavior usually start at that age.

      These kids nowadays know all the speeches, time outs, psychology and blah blah blah, they just laugh at you when you attempt to be reasonable with them.

      How are they going to have a healthy fear of consequences when you tell them to go in their room with no desert, with all their texting, cell phone, t.v., video games , etc.,?

      There are kids you cannot evoke a sense of right or shame and even less have fear of consequences, your attempt or speech to appeal to their high moral ground is usually just more stuff to laugh at, an even considered a weakness and opportunity to push it and pursue the target for even MORE mischief.

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  • Profile picture of the author kbayer63
    Disturbing, no matter what perspective you take.

    How do the families involved handle this? How does the father of the "victim" contain himself? Next week's video will probably have the father of the "victim" fighting the father in this video.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      A little bit of background...In Florida, where this took place, there's been a disturbing trend to have "fight club" type events. If you've ever heard of Kimbo Slice, he got his "fame" fighting in these types of events in FLA.

      This appears to have been another of these "fight club" things, where the dad was supposed to be a ref for a "fair" fight.

      I don't agree with what is going on, only giving a possible (likely) explanation why there was a small crowd watching the event. In FLA, watching people fight is becoming entertainment. It's sad.
      It's sad indeed, on many levels. Devolution.
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  • Profile picture of the author philipf
    that ain't right
    the dad is a sore loser
    he must have been picked on when he was a kid
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I know where my honest observation can go, but....

    If a mother bear attacks a smaller human because he or she threatened the cubs, OK!

    If a cat attacks a dog, and the dog then attacks the cat, OK!

    It was OK earlier when the big kid beat up the little kid, who was a bully.

    Now I don't know the FULL story. NOBODY here does! But MAN, it seems a bit one sided!

    SO, if the guy he hit spent almost his ENTIRE life trying to hurt the family, and his son, even THEN his actions aren't justified? I hope they never find a way to keep people young. They could stay 17 for ever and hurt everyone with impunity!

    You DO know that a 17 year old could conceivably even plan to, and successfully blow up the planet. just manage to get into a silo, fire a missile to a major enemy, like china, and wait a couple hours. GRANTED it takes access and planning, but some DO have the ability to do both. Of course, smaller tasks, like blowing up a neighborhood, blowing up a populated school bus or building, or just shooting a few dozen people, is FAR easier and more likely.

    Has anyone tried to blow up the planet? WHO KNOWS? But EVERY other example I have given HAS been done successfully!

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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I saw something similar with a mother hitting the opponent of her son with her hand bag after he knocked out her son, a good thing the opponent just took the beating like a gent
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    • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
      Ok I'm confused as hell, did I watch a completely different video from everyone else? As the video I watched show the guys son walking away, and the father actually going in and shaking the other kids hand (who beat his son), and then the kid looked to be mouthing something and walked up in a "challenge" stance to the father and swung 1st at the dad. So did I watch a different video???
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

        Ok I'm confused as hell, did I watch a completely different video from everyone else? As the video I watched show the guys son walking away, and the father actually going in and shaking the other kids hand (who beat his son), and then the kid looked to be mouthing something and walked up in a "challenge" stance to the father and swung 1st at the dad. So did I watch a different video???
        I thought the same thing when I saw it, looked like he said something and mad dogged.
        (Not saying that the dad should have kept pummeling him though)

        Anyway, never mess with Moms either.


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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Am I the only one that read this?

    ""You want to get knocked the (expletive) out by me, boy?" he asks the victim, according to The New York Daily News.

    "I would like to see that," the teen replies, "
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    In reference to the last 3 people, I saw at least part of that also. SOMETHING made the father mad, and he effectively warned the kid, and the kid effectively dared him.

    That does NOT make the dad innocent, but he should certainly get less of a sentence, and part should be given to the kid. Kids do NOT do that to anothers father unless they have a BULLY mentality!

    Just today, on BIO, they had a show where it seemed that they just strung together a bunch of examples of the dregs of humanity. I watched a few of them. ONE was a guy that was KNIVED by THREE "KIDS". WHY? Because he was a seemingly healthy relatively young male. THAT'S IT! It was for a GANG initiation!

    SO, those kids INTENTIONALLY TRIED to KILL a man for NO reason! It was with the goal to KILL more! It was to effectively last FOREVER! Those are GIVENS! So SHOULDN"T they have been tried for MURDER as ADULTS?

    So how WERE they prosecuted?

    16 YO, got 6 years!
    17 YO, got 8 years!
    18 YO, got 15 years!

    All for ATTEMPTED murder! The guy was told he had only a 2% chance of surviving! It took him FIVE years to "recover"! And WHY should a 17YO get 7 fewer years just because he was as little as a DAY younger? DON'T forget, ALL stabbed the guy trying to KILL him! ALL took credit!

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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


      SO, those kids INTENTIONALLY TRIED to KILL a man for NO reason! It was with the goal to KILL more! It was to effectively last FOREVER! Those are GIVENS! So SHOULDN"T they have been tried for MURDER as ADULTS?

      So how WERE they prosecuted?

      16 YO, got 6 years!
      17 YO, got 8 years!
      18 YO, got 15 years!

      All for ATTEMPTED murder! The guy was told he had only a 2% chance of surviving! It took him FIVE years to "recover"! And WHY should a 17YO get 7 fewer years just because he was as little as a DAY younger? DON'T forget, ALL stabbed the guy trying to KILL him! ALL took credit!

      Steve



      You always hear, "the right thing to do is leave it to the authorities..,"

      Authorities are good for putting a toe tag on you.

      Show's you what happens when you put all your eggs in the authorities basket for safety and security.

      So one got maybe 3 years more than someone convicted of tax evasion.

      Go to Lady Justice and confiscate that scale.

      She is truly blind in the worse way.

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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        Sure, the dad went over board and should be punished.

        But I don't feel sorry for the wanna be tough guy, bully kid who thought he could get away with anything.

        The punk got served, primo.

        Don't put on a uniform and helmet and step into the arena unless you want to play ball with the big dogs, son.

        Arena are for players only, kid ,go to the malt shop or something and stay out of grown folks business, pup , and play with your toys.

        "Boy" , meet "Life", "Life", meet "Boy", are there any questions?

        "This is a full grown man's fist"....., "

        ".......this is a full grown man's fist trying to sprout roots in your face..., are there any questions?"

        Class dismissed.

        No homework or extra credit tonight.

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          How do you come to the conclusion that the kid was a "wanna be tough guy", "bully", "punk" who "thought he could get away with anything"?

          I personally think the dad is all those things. If that was my kid who he pounded on he better get in better shape and be ready to defend himself.

          I also can understand the teenager acting the way he did against the dad. The dad seemed to be the one confronting the kid in my opinion. Challenging him. The kid just finished being in a fight and his adrenalin was high I'm sure. I don't blame him at all for not backing down to the dad. He showed courage whereas the dad looks like a bully and a coward.

          Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post


          But I don't feel sorry for the wanna be tough guy, bully kid who thought he could get away with anything.

          The punk got served, primo.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            How do you come to the conclusion that the kid was a "wanna be tough guy", "bully", "punk" who "thought he could get away with anything"?

            I personally think the dad is all those things. If that was my kid who he pounded on he better get in better shape and be ready to defend himself.

            I also can understand the teenager acting the way he did against the dad. The dad seemed to be the one confronting the kid in my opinion. Challenging him. The kid just finished being in a fight and his adrenalin was high I'm sure. I don't blame him at all for not backing down to the dad. He showed courage whereas the dad looks like a bully and a coward.
            I agree the father wasn't brave in doing what he did, but the boy wasn't brave, he was STUPID! High on adrenalin or not, he was pushing it. It WAS a bully mindset. I wonder. If YOUR kid had been pummeled earlier, and YOU were his father, maybe YOU would have done the SAME thing, right to the event in question!

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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              If my kid was beaten up by this other kid, which it seems some are assuming, I wouldn't arrange another fight that my son probably wouldn't want anyways. I certainly wouldn't do what this guy did after the fight either. This guy lost control of his temper so easily and severely it makes you wonder if it's a common thing for him.

              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              If YOUR kid had been pummeled earlier, and YOU were his father, maybe YOU would have done the SAME thing, right to the event in question!

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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              I agree the father wasn't brave in doing what he did, but the boy wasn't brave, he was STUPID! High on adrenalin or not, he was pushing it. It WAS a bully mindset. I wonder. If YOUR kid had been pummeled earlier, and YOU were his father, maybe YOU would have done the SAME thing, right to the event in question!

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              If you can't handle your kid getting beat up, then you proabably shouldn't set up a fight for him and go so far as to "ref" the fight.

              BTW, if you read the corresponding article showing the full video, not only did the dad kick the kid in the face while he was down, it was the dad's own kid (the one that got beat up) that actually pulled the father off the victim.

              And no, this isn't a case of "bullying mindset". Bullys don't take on people twice their size. It was a case of the kid having more courage than brains. Bullys generally don't have courage.
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              • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                <snip>Bullys generally don't have courage.
                This is a commonly held belief which I think is usually true. That said, I suspect some bullies may be missing pieces genetically or have other genetic flaws, eg sociopaths.
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                • Profile picture of the author garyv
                  Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                  This is a commonly held belief which I think is usually true. That said, I suspect some bullies may be missing pieces genetically or have other genetic flaws, eg sociopaths.

                  And some bullies were just unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong family, where this behavior is all they've ever witnessed = And thus the only thing they know.

                  Unfortunately they perpetuate this behavior by then passing it on to their own kids.

                  It's not always genetics, stupidity, or lack of courage, it could simply be culture.
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                  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
                    Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                    And some bullies were just unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong family, where this behavior is all they've ever witnessed = And thus the only thing they know.

                    Unfortunately they perpetuate this behavior by then passing it on to their own kids.

                    It's not always genetics, stupidity, or lack of courage, it could simply be culture.
                    In many cases, I imagine that would be true and, if so, perhaps such individuals could be mended. I guess you must mean family culture? Family culture can certainly play a huge role in a person's life, whether damaging or life-enhancing.

                    It might be that bullies who aren't from bad families, but from families that seem to be well-off are actually experiencing abuse that the outside world doesn't witness. However, it seems to me that some people are just wired wrong and therefore hopeless (talking about abusive personality types, certainly not mentally ill people in general).

                    Disclaimer: I am not a mental health professional in any way, shape or form.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                If you can't handle your kid getting beat up, then you proabably shouldn't set up a fight for him and go so far as to "ref" the fight.
                Yeah, it is hard to reconcile EVERYTHING there.

                BTW, if you read the corresponding article showing the full video, not only did the dad kick the kid in the face while he was down, it was the dad's own kid (the one that got beat up) that actually pulled the father off the victim.
                Yeah, and that was nice, but who knows...

                And no, this isn't a case of "bullying mindset". Bullys don't take on people twice their size. It was a case of the kid having more courage than brains. Bullys generally don't have courage.
                GENERALLY, I would agree with you 100% here! BUT, if they are protected by some law, precedent, or general consensus, the rules change 100%!

                Do you REALLY think the people in the UK that did all that damage were BRAVE? NOPE! They figured that they were protected to such a degree that little could happen to them.

                All those young kids in gangs, etc? Why do you think they are in gangs? They feel they are, ironically enough, often safer.

                So what of that BIG kid that was bullied by the much smaller one? He generally didn't hit back, and the little guys generally are believed more if they claim the big kid started it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Christine2011
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      In reference to the last 3 people, I saw at least part of that also. SOMETHING made the father mad, and he effectively warned the kid, and the kid effectively dared him.

      That does NOT make the dad innocent, but he should certainly get less of a sentence, and part should be given to the kid. Kids do NOT do that to anothers father unless they have a BULLY mentality!

      Just today, on BIO, they had a show where it seemed that they just strung together a bunch of examples of the dregs of humanity. I watched a few of them. ONE was a guy that was KNIVED by THREE "KIDS". WHY? Because he was a seemingly healthy relatively young male. THAT'S IT! It was for a GANG initiation!

      SO, those kids INTENTIONALLY TRIED to KILL a man for NO reason! It was with the goal to KILL more! It was to effectively last FOREVER! Those are GIVENS! So SHOULDN"T they have been tried for MURDER as ADULTS?

      So how WERE they prosecuted?

      16 YO, got 6 years!
      17 YO, got 8 years!
      18 YO, got 15 years!

      All for ATTEMPTED murder! The guy was told he had only a 2% chance of surviving! It took him FIVE years to "recover"! And WHY should a 17YO get 7 fewer years just because he was as little as a DAY younger? DON'T forget, ALL stabbed the guy trying to KILL him! ALL took credit!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I was a bullied kid. One time I was attacked by three kids and got my head bashed against lockers. I am SICK AND TIRED of the HYPOCRISY I have seen for over FORTY YEARS! And NOW they act like this is something new that they only now discovered, etc...? SORRY, I DON'T buy it. I NEVER did.

    It may be worse now, but ONLY because the hypocrites are more likely to use it to further their OWN goals, and they have the SAME bully mentality. I would not be one bit surprised if 100% of them were bullies in school. I look at them and see the SAME thing as the serial killers that go to jail and in a week claim they are HOLY and "found the lord". Yeah right, and I am daffy duck and have visited every body in the milky way.

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  • Profile picture of the author electroglyder
    There is a thing called "Fear For Your Life"
    This justifies any action taken to protect yourself from any attacker.
    Maybe the attack on the child was over reacted,
    but sometimes instinct takes over in such situations.
    Without knowing the complete situation,
    it's hard to judge what happened!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by electroglyder View Post

      There is a thing called "Fear For Your Life"
      This justifies any action taken to protect yourself from any attacker.
      Maybe the attack on the child was over reacted,
      but sometimes instinct takes over in such situations.
      Without knowing the complete situation,
      it's hard to judge what happened!
      Well, Females are primary care givers, so THEY are the youngs ****FIRST**** line of defense. Males are generally the PROVIDERS, so their primary goal is FOOD. If not for this, MALE bears would probably have gotten the female's rep. But just TRY to hurt other members of a bears family while the male is present. The female may actually relax and enjoy the show. The male would rip you apart possibly in less than a second. You may not even have time to notice him out of the corner of your eye.

      If that boy had simply said NO, he probably wouldn't have been touched.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    This is ridiculous. I know some kids are mouthy, but do you have to knock down and beat a 16 year old that's quite a bit smaller than you? I read the article and watched the video. Clearly the mom or the blonde woman was upset when the dad had the kid on the ground as you can see her put her hands on her head in dismay and turn away.

    This guy needs two things to happen. He needs to have charges pressed and go to prison. You have to be responsible for bad behavior and actions. That means for refereeing a fight for your kids, although this is iffy as it's probably just a misdemeanor and probation. But really for the fight. That's the thing I have the most issue with. He should go to prison and then he should sit through a civil suit whereby he gets sued for this as well. I hope he gets taken through the wringer and then sits in prison for a couple of years to contemplate and realize what being bullied is all about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    This is ridiculous. I know some kids are mouthy, but do you have to knock down and beat a 16 year old that's quite a bit smaller than you? I read the article and watched the video. Clearly the mom or the blonde woman was upset when the dad had the kid on the ground as you can see her put her hands on her head in dismay and turn away.

    This guy needs two things to happen. He needs to have charges pressed and go to prison. You have to be responsible for bad behavior and actions. That means for refereeing a fight for your kids, although this is iffy as it's probably just a misdemeanor and probation. But really for the fight. That's the thing I have the most issue with. He should go to prison and then he should sit through a civil suit whereby he gets sued for this as well. I hope he gets taken through the wringer and then sits in prison for a couple of years to contemplate and realize what being bullied is all about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Hey at least the kids were fighting with their fists not guns. But times sure have changed. I was involved in two planned fights when I was a kid. We made sure it was hidden from all adults especially our parents.

      Now the parents are attending/refereeing and the fight ends up on YouTube. Yep, times have changed.

      IMO - whatever led up to what we saw in that video, that Dad wasn't justified to administer that beating. I could see losing your temper with a smart-ass kid and maybe backhanding him one but that was a nasty beat down. And the kick to the head while the kid is down is cowardice and puts into a more aggravated type of assault IMO.

      Don't mess with the head. There was a guy who threw one punch, kid hit head while falling on the ground, and died. You just don't mess with the head.

      Here is that story:

      http://www.startribune.com/local/west/119947399.html
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post


        Don't mess with the head.l

        I agree - The brain is a fragile organ.

        And as bad as your background is - everyone knows that beating a child is a criminal offense. If you can't control your impulses as an adult, then it's probably best for everyone that you be locked away from others.

        The other kid probably could have used some discipline - but that's not what this was. This was an idiot losing his temper.

        Watching the fight probably got him riled up - which is why as a responsible adult you don't allow for such idiocy in the first place.
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