Where are all the Negative - REAL reviews ?

Nothing for me to get over, you're the one with the excrement problem. By the way, what is poping ... acting like the Pope?

And the point I was making is that this is one of the oldest and most successful forums online. I don't think they have too much to worry about, but I'm sure they'll take your sage advice under consideration.

There's confusion in this thread between "reviews" and "testimonials".

In their own posts (such as the sales post that starts the thread) the vendors are obviously going to quote good things, and no bad things. Just like you would, if you were paying to advertise. No surprise there, I think? :p

In other people's posts, there can be good reviews and bad reviews. Bad reviews are allowed only from people who've bought the product/service. Anything else is "whining".

I see plenty of bad reviews.

And people asking for refunds.

Those are legitimate comments. The advertisers must hate them, but they can't remove them. That's why they're there, and I can see them. I don't understand why you can't. It's as if we're looking in two different places. :confused:

If you haven't bought the product, you have no business commenting. WSO threads are not for debate over whether a technique is valid or not. That's what the discussion sections are for.

You would be perfectly within the rules to comment on the specifics of a product you had bought, whether positive or negative. But not to debate it or get personal.

Here's an example of a thread with plenty of negatives in it. There are a lot more of them, at least a half dozen of which I've looked at in the past two days and left intact.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...n-again-5.html

Another example is the WSO where someone pointed out today that offering a bribe for posted testimonials is not allowed. Both the seller and another member posted that the comment was hateful and an attempt to damage the WSO and should be deleted. I not only left the comment, I corrected someone who said that wasn't one of the rules. And I PM'd the seller asking him to remove that from his follow-up emails. (He did so graciously. Apparently just hadn't read the rules in a while.)

I don't for an instant believe you've read 200 or more WSO threads all the way through and failed to see any negative comments. You may not have seen them in the OPs of any threads, ever. That is certainly very believable. People don't feature the negatives in their own ads. But if a paying customer leaves a negative review and stays within the very simple guidelines, those reviews stay posted.

Yes, even if the customer has asked for a refund. You don't get to "buy" negative comments out of your thread. The only posts we remove because of a refund request are posts containing nothing but that request, and only if the seller informs us that the refund was made.

A negative review that sticks to the rules and also includes a refund request tends to stay posted. (The ones that also get personal or make unfounded accusations get deleted.)

Now, look at your own chosen example. Look at the last page in that thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-today-14.html

Or the page before that. Not exactly all positive, is it?

I read a lot of this stuff about how we don't allow negative reviews, and almost all of it is from people who don't bother reading past the initial post or half way down the first page. You yourself chose an example that disproves your own point.

Are there a lot of threads that don't have many, if any, negative reviews? Sure. They're for decent products. If something really is a dog, it will be called out at some point.

You'd be surprised at just how many WSO threads I close every week myself, and I'm only one of the 6 people with the access to do that. You'd also be surprised to see the arguments we get from sellers when we call them on things if they screw up.

But hey... Go ahead and parrot the lines you hear from other people who don't pay any more attention than you did with your own choice of "proof." If I wanted to waste time on a Friday evening, I could probably show you 50 to 100 WSOs with existing negative reviews without making it past page 3 or 4. Maybe not past page 2.

Want to see someone who's got a lot of them posted? Look at the posts from YourProfessional in the WSO section. Jovana's hardly an easy reviewer, and the only posts of hers I've deleted were either attacks on other members (once) or self-promotional comments (maybe two or three). The rest stay.

She buys, she has the right to post her thoughts on the products. And she does. Regularly. Some are raves, and some are rants. We don't care, as long as they stay focused on the product.


Paul