Over and over I see this, why?

13 years ago

Does any country place their symbol for money following the number?

Yes.

Especially, countries where they do NOT have an internationally recognized/used symbol, just and abbreviation for their currency. That always goes AFTER the numbers. For people coming from such places the English way looks like "awkward"

But you are right: if the sales letter is targeting English speakers - we should learn their way...

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Especially, countries where they do NOT have an internationally recognized/used symbol, just and abbreviation for their currency. That always goes AFTER the numbers. For people coming from such places the English way looks like "awkward"

You know, it is like the competition between Microsoft and Apple.

They both have operating systems that do basically the same thing.

Apple has a "trash can" (?), and Microsoft has a "recycle bin". LOL

Why the difference?

Well, Corporate America loves to sue the competition, so they have to name their stuff differently. :rolleyes:

Could you imagine the lawsuit, when Apple sues Microsoft over a "trash can"? LOL

Apple Lawyers: "Judge. We believe that Microsoft should pay us royalties for using the term 'trash can' in its operating system."

Judge: "I just received papers from Rubbermaid. They are filing a suit against Apple for trying to trademark Rubbermaid's primary product."

Microsoft Lawyers: "Judge. We motion that you dismiss this case on the basis that the Rubbermaid vs. Apple lawsuit will take precedent over this case."

As a child, I had always wondered why Americans put the dollar sign in front of the number, because after all, when we say $29, we say, "29 dollars".

And they say we Okies are backwards. LOL

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joekoffi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

when we say $29, we say, "29 dollars".

That's as funny as PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
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- ThomM 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by joekoffi
  
  That's as funny as PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
  
  Actually PHP originally stood for Personal Home Page when it was created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995
  
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JROC777

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Yes.

Especially, countries where they do NOT have an internationally recognized/used symbol, just and abbreviation for their currency. That always goes AFTER the numbers. For people coming from such places the English way looks like "awkward"

But you are right: if the sales letter is targeting English speakers - we should learn their way...

Ah interesting I didnt know this but have noticed it from time to time as well. Who says you can't learn something new eveyday.

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alyssaamelia

13 years ago

You're correct. I've noticed it from time to time as well, but I generally ignore it. If you are indeed targeting English speaking clients, then you should ensure that you know the basics.

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Frank Donovan

13 years ago

And just to add to the confusion, the symbols for lower denominations are usually placed after the number e.g. 45¢ , 35p etc.

But seriously, Tim -

Originally Posted by timpears

This always drives me crazy.

If you're really that sensitive, I wonder how you work up the courage to get out of bed each day.

Frank

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timpears 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

If you're really that sensitive, I wonder how you work up the courage to get out of bed each day.

I am a very sensitive guy.:p

It is tough to get out of bed each day. Old age and health problems have a way of catching up with a fellow. But I seem to manage, so far.

I know this was pretty petty. But I am glad I asked the question. I never thought I would get so many responses. But I learned something from it. So it was worth while, to me at least.

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Thomas

13 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

I just read another post where the $ sign was placed after the number, al a 29$. Doesn't everyone know it should be $29? Does any country place their symbol for money following the number? I don't know of any, but then I have never looked.

Lots of countries do, Tim (including, I believe, parts of Canada).

And, IIRC, more than 30 different currencies use the $ symbol too, so there's unlikely to be ANY international consistency with that symbol.

Even within the SAME currency, it can vary widely. With the Euro, for example, the € symbol universally goes before the amount in Ireland and (I think) the Netherlands (like €100.50). Virtually everywhere else, it goes after (100,50€) and, in some countries, it even goes like this: 100€50. (Note the different usage of "," in place of "." too; another point of confusion for lots of peope!).

Originally Posted by timpears

...you would think that people that are making, or trying to make money using words, they would try to use them right.

But if they are working in the English language, you would think they would try to learn the basics.

Maybe YOUR way is wrong?

In this case, I'm pretty sure "the basics", as you're thinking of them, are correct in a small number of countries (like the US, the UK, Ireland, Australia, etc.), but there are at least 120 countries where, though it may be the official (or the de facto official) language, English is still in very significant usage, encompassing, according to some estimates, as much as 2 billion people.

To many of them, the American "way" looks weird and wrong.

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Istvan Horvath

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

To many of them, the American "way" looks weird and wrong.

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

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Dan C. Rinnert

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

I've been using the yyyymmdd form for years.

I also use military (24-hour) time.

Makes organization easier. Plus, it also helps discourage people from using my computer. ("What time is 16:35?") LOL.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

Not total nonsense - if you say a date outloud you usually say August Fifteenth, Nineteen Eighty Four (for example) - so: 08/15/1984 or mm/dd/yyyy

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hardraysnight 13 years ago

Originally Posted by pdrs

Not total nonsense - if you say a date outloud you usually say August Fifteenth, Nineteen Eighty Four (for example) - so: 08/15/1984 or mm/dd/yyyy

i only use day month year, it is part of my culture so needs to be preserved

it would be disrespectful to change

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- seasoned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors
  
  i only use day month year, it is part of my culture so needs to be preserved
  
  it would be disrespectful to change
  
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  For wahtever reason:
  
  Japanese yyyy.mm.dd
  Europe: dd/mm/yyyy
  US : mm/dd/yyyy
  
  It WOULD be nice if europe and the US made it clear which they used! What about a date like 1/12/2011? Is that last january, or next december?
  
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timpears

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

Yes, in the forty odd years I have lived in the USA, I have never understood that one. They should be in order of hierarchy. The USA way of doing it doesn't make sense. But I have learned to do it that way after all these years.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

This is one reason I've adopted military dating for most purposes, especially on checks, etc. where the date may become important data.

For example, I'm writing this September 28, 2011. I would write the date as 28Sept2011.

With handwriting barely above chicken scratch, I've also add a dash '-' across the letter Z and the numeral 7 to avoid confusion with 2 and 1. 0 gets a '/', O does not.

TMI?

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Alan Petersen

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

Looks wrong to you, right to us. Just like driving on the "wrong" side in the UK but they think we drive on the "wrong" side.

I grew up in Latin America but I've been in the US for over 20 years so I'm use to it now.

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timpears 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Looks wrong to you, right to us. Just like driving on the "wrong" side in the UK but they think we drive on the "wrong" side.

I was in The Bahamas a while back, and they drive on the left like we do in the UK (where I am from). But they mostly drive cars built in the states, so it is like driving a postal delivery vehicle with the wrong side drive. Pretty weird if you ask me. But it seems to work for them. Although when my taxi driver has to move out so far to see if he can pass, that can be a little frightening.
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mywebwork

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

If you're really that sensitive, I wonder how you work up the courage to get out of bed each day.

LOL, love it! The global economy is collapsing, war in the middle east, natural disasters and THIS is what you worry about? Great comment Frank!

Originally Posted by Thomas

Lots of countries do, Tim (including, I believe, parts of Canada).

Correct, in Quebec this is quite common, probably due to the large European influence here.

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

And we didn't even mention the really wrong (American) way of writing the dates!

The "normal" way is either
yy/mm/dd
or
dd/mm/yy

It's a logical decreasing/increasing order of the units.

But mm/dd/yy... complete nonsense for everybody else but Americans, LOL

Love it again! This has always confused me, especially in Canada where we tend to use both methods. I often try putting a number higher than 12 into a field just to make sure I'm not entering the day into the month field. The US method makes no sense whatsoever.

A lot of great comments on this thread!

Bill

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Charlotte Jay

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mywebwork

Love it again! This has always confused me, especially in Canada where we tend to use both methods. I often try putting a number higher than 12 into a field just to make sure I'm not entering the day into the month field. The US method makes no sense whatsoever.

A lot of great comments on this thread!

Bill

Americans not making sense? Whodda thunkit?

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ameerulislam10

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mywebwork

LOL, love it! The global economy is collapsing, war in the middle east, natural disasters and THIS is what you worry about? Great comment Frank!

Correct, in Quebec this is quite common, probably due to the large European influence here.

Love it again! This has always confused me, especially in Canada where we tend to use both methods. I often try putting a number higher than 12 into a field just to make sure I'm not entering the day into the month field. The US method makes no sense whatsoever.

A lot of great comments on this thread!

Bill

For this reason sometimes I feel like spelling the month (29-Sep-2011). No one would get confused with that.

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mikemcmillan

13 years ago

We can make it even worse. In many (most) European and South American countries it is customary to use a comma rather than a . in writing monetary sums. $3.73 becomes 3,75$.

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Harvey Segal 13 years ago

I agree it's strange.

That's my cents two.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

We can make it even worse. In many (most) European and South American countries it is customary to use a comma rather than a . in writing monetary sums. $3.73 becomes 3,75$.

NO, it is WORSE than that! They SWITCH them! So 1.000.000,00!

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Charlotte Jay

13 years ago

It only takes about a fraction of a second for my brain to figure that out, so it doesn't really bother me.

Writing dates gets confusing sometimes. I've been in the US for almost 16 years, but every now and then I will write dd/mm/yy and get periodic moments of panic when driving on the right hand side of the road :O

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

I think most people will use there own common sense and understand that whether the dollar sign is at the beginning or the end of the amount they will know it is the common sign for dollar. I don't think anyone else here would ever find that hard to understand.

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13 years ago

"Common sense is very uncommon." -- Horace Greeley

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Michael D Forbes

13 years ago

Is the right hand actually the left hand in the southern hemisphere? They can't get the sun to ride in the correct part of the sky down there either.

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powerstrike

13 years ago

sometimes it's a typo error as I believe $ before the amount is a worldwide standard

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RHert

13 years ago

What can I say, I was born in America and I still can't get the mm/dd/yy thing. I always have to ask someone which comes first.

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philipf

13 years ago

I've read once that if the article you are reading has typographical/grammatical errors, it denotes that the article or the writer is not true in what they are saying.
for example, if the article is used to sell a product, it is more likely that the product is ineffective/flawed/scam.

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Mike Baker

13 years ago

Typically most English based websites will use the American version. But yeah it can be quite confusing for those of us who implement either of the other two on a day to day basis.
Perhaps HTML 6 should have some code in it to determine which country the user is from and display the calendar version for that specific region.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

I just read another post where the $ sign was placed after the number, al a 29$. Doesn't everyone know it should be $29? Does any country place their symbol for money following the number? I don't know of any, but then I have never looked.

This always drives me crazy. I know it is a short drive, but you would think that people that are making, or trying to make money using words, they would try to use them right. I see numerous WSO's etc that have the dollar symbol follow the number.

I was terrible in English in school. But since I grew older I try my best to do it right. I am sure I mess things up from time to time, maybe often. But I make sure I use their instead of there where appropriate, and other small items like that.

Sorry if I am being picayune. I know a lot of members are from other countries. But if they are working in the English language, you would think they would try to learn the basics. Words are the tools of our business, right?

Well, for US dollars, at least on the internet, I try to say $12.34USD And the $ prefix is NOT an american syntax, it has to do with it being dollars. Canada, Ausralia, etc... do the SAME thing!

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