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You A Human/Human-Subspecies Hybrid?

by thunderbird
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Yes, apparently you're part sub-human. It seems we're all the product of human and human sub-species inter-mating:
Ancient human sub-species interbred, according to study - timesofmalta.com
  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    now if all the people that were racists, would just understand were all from the same gene pool ....
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      now if all the people that were racists, would just understand were all from the same gene pool ....
      That's a non sequitor. Frankly, I doubt ANYONE thinks they are PERFECT. Whatever human is, it is, to a particular person the sum total of all traits apparent in that person, good and bad.

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      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      now if all the people that were racists, would just understand were all from the same gene pool ....
      I think I know what you mean. As I understand it, from a strict scientifically-based genetic and archaeological viewpoint, races don't even exist. Races are a societal construct which does not hold up to scientific scrutiny.

      The Main Reason Races Don't Exist
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I think I know what you mean. As I understand it, from a strict scientifically-based genetic and archaeological viewpoint, races don't even exist. Races are a societal construct which does not hold up to scientific scrutiny.

        The Main Reason Races Don't Exist

        yup. course, you said it better then i did
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          I found this to be a very good video that poses and answers a lot of questions about "us."

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Don't know why they needed DNA to work this one out. All you have to do is watch how people act on black friday if you want to see that we are more sub-human that human.
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    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    It is a non-sequitur. If they can mate and have offspring, they're in the same species.

    I don't see what the big deal is.
    I guess it is something like horses and zebras having offspring. Not quite the same species, but close enough to have offspring.

    Perhaps you're mixing genus up with species?

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I guess it is something like horses and zebras having offspring. Not quite the same species, but close enough to have offspring.

      Perhaps you're mixing genus up with species?
      BESIDES, it seems 50% of the problems racists have is that people CAN procreate like that. Call it what you want, but race DOES exist. The original descriptions fit rather well and included MORE than skin color. If you really think it is a social construct, then let's create walls on a CULTURAL level, because that IS a social construct, or rip down the ones based on race! Heck, if race doesn't exist, let's get rid of any terms relating to it EVERYWHERE.

      But using the idea of intermarriage just makes many racists MORE angry. It doesn't settle any arguments.

      BTW IQ obviously was NOT a part of the original description. Even if they wished to, they could merely guess at relative potential. And nobody is at 100% potential in any way anyway. And IQ only measures the potential of what has been developed. That it doesn't change is, on its face, a myth, since the ABSOLUTE IQ of the average 20yo is higher than that of the average 10yo but, since it IS a quotient, containing the person's chronological age, it is relative. Anyway, no race has cornered the market on smart or dumb.

      And GEE, if you want to deny some things, like tolerance to certain drugs, or that blacks can better tolerate the sun, and whites are less likely to have a vitamin D deficiency, you end up doing with the catholic church did to things like astronomy. Race is used to identify and sometimes it is a marker for potential for a certain disease or sensitivity. If you get rid of the idea, you end up shooting yourself in the foot. It is like not drinking water because someone you HATE drinks it.

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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

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        BTW IQ obviously was NOT a part of the original description. Even if they wished to, they could merely guess at relative potential. And nobody is at 100% potential in any way anyway. And IQ only measures the potential of what has been developed. <snip>
        IQ? When did IQ first enter the conversation? Anyway, I am often baffled by the way IQ tests are revered as representing something that is constant and unshifting. While everything involving the mind can be developed (or deteriorate), whether learning Chinese, chess, piano, or how to play basketball, IQ is commonly seen as a permanent measurement...like the speed of light, LOL. When my mother studied to be a psychologist, she practiced performing tests on me and my siblings. Guess what, performance and marks on such tests do get radically higher with practice, as would be the case if one was practicing Spanish or learning to juggle.

        I think IQ tests measure something and may indirectly correlate to success in some arenas, I guess. But, in a vast number of cases, IQ tests fail to directly reflect someone's potential. A huge number of highly accomplished people -- eg in music or, say, basketball -- wouldn't see their gifts identified in IQ tests.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          IQ? When did IQ first enter the conversation? Anyway, I am often baffled by the way IQ tests are revered as representing something that is constant and unshifting. While everything involving the mind can be developed (or deteriorate), whether learning Chinese, chess, piano, or how to play basketball, IQ is commonly seen as a permanent measurement...like the speed of light, LOL. When my mother studied to be a psychologist, she practiced performing tests on me and my siblings. Guess what, performance and marks on such tests do get radically higher with practice, as would be the case if one was practicing Spanish or learning to juggle.

          I think IQ tests measure something and may indirectly correlate to success in some arenas, I guess. But, in a vast number of cases, IQ tests fail to directly reflect someone's potential. A huge number of highly accomplished people -- eg in music or, say, basketball -- wouldn't see their gifts identified in IQ tests.
          I figured that if I said "different", the next thing would be bringing that up, so I was saying I wasn't claiming that. Oh well, mention it or not, and someone will claim you are trying to.

          Anyway, I said much of what you did.

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      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Nope. Look up speciation.
      Animals of different species can sometimes have offspring, but animals of two different genus can't. Two different species of human could have offspring. Presently, there is only one existing species of human on the planet.
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    Good grief, Thom - I swear you are just a creature in your own right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      So - seem we're more closely related to silverbacks than we admit?

      Homo erectus was evolving populations with larger brains.
      Let's do a little sci-fi....what if eons into the future it's known our larger brains were evolving directly proportional to the DNA added by "subspecies" and when homo erectus became "civilized" and interacted only with its own species, brains began to get smaller....

      just saying....
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        So - seem we're more closely related to silverbacks than we admit?



        Let's do a little sci-fi....what if eons into the future it's known our larger brains were evolving directly proportional to the DNA added by "subspecies" and when homo erectus became "civilized" and interacted only with its own species, brains began to get smaller....

        just saying....
        There is an old saying.... ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny! In a way, according to science, that IS true. It says that humans DO keep the old brains of their ancesters. Just saying....

        Triune brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    It would have surprised me if they found that different human species hadn't interbred. Sex is a powerful drive and if it can be done, someone will do it.
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