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If you were 17 at Pearl Harbor or Corregidor then you're 87 now. Even if you were 17 on the last day of the war you're 83 now. We'll be losing the last of the WWII vets over the next few years. If you know someone who served don't waste a minute. Say thank you TODAY. Call them, go see them, do what you have to do. Many of those men and women grew up in a depression and went straight to war. My neighbor was with the 29th at Omaha Beach. He was wounded at St Lo. He's in end stage dementia now. I don't know if I ever said thank you to him. I hope I did.

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    My Dad was in WWII -- I don't say thank you any more. I say I'm sorry that we got apathetic enough to lose what he watched his friends die for. I am soooo sorry to all of you that we didn't fight harder to save habeas corpus. I am ashamed we dishonored your memory. There is no excuse for us to waste what you fought so valiantly to preserve. I pray there are enough of us still fighting to effect a veto.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    My father was a Lieutenant and turret gunner in the Air Force and two of his brothers were also in the Air Force at the same time. They are all dead now (only one of their sisters survives today in her 90s).

    I know they were all very proud of their service in WWII and for my father it was probably one of the first and last things he ever did in his short life (died at 44) that he was proud of.

    I think war is insane and a perversion but know it is a 'necessary evil' - ('when in Rome').

    I do know that we might not even have the concept of a 'free country' if it weren't for the brave men that have died for 'peace' and I do appreciate their sacrifice.

    Let's hope in their memory someday we stop sending thousands of 20 year old boys to be maimed and slaughtered and that somehow we evolve into a society that can negotiate and live in peace with the rest of the world.

    ... that is until Armegeddon where we will kick the crap out of the devil's armies
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    From Sting's "The Dream of the Blue Turtle," one of my favorite albums.

    "Children's Crusade"

    Young men, soldiers, Nineteen Fourteen
    Marching through countries they'd never seen
    Virgins with rifles, a game of charades
    All for a Children's Crusade

    Pawns in the game are not victims of chance
    Strewn on the fields of Belgium and France
    Poppies for young men, death's bitter trade
    All of those young lives betrayed

    The children of England would never be slaves
    They're trapped on the wire and dying in waves
    The flower of England face down in the mud
    And stained in the blood of a whole generation

    Corpulent generals safe behind lines
    History's lessons drowned in red wine
    Poppies for young men, death's bitter trade
    All of those young lives betrayed
    All for a Children's Crusade

    The children of England would never be slaves
    They're trapped on the wire and dying in waves
    The flower of England face down in the mud
    And stained in the blood of a whole generation

    Midnight in Soho, Nineteen Eighty-four
    Fixing in doorways, opium slaves
    Poppies for young men, such bitter trade
    All of those young lives betrayed
    All for a Children's Crusade
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Paul, I'll back that up with this vid.


    My Grandfather was one of the guerillas that fought the Japs in Cebu. My respects to him and to all those who fought alongside him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jun,
      Paul, I'll back that up with this vid.
      If you want to check out another brilliant one from the same album that's related to this theme, give "Russians" a listen.

      That whole album has a bit of biographical feel for me. Mostly related to my family. My mother's Dad was born in 1898, and remembered a lot of things that aren't covered in high school history much. The stories that man would tell when you could get him talking. Only a couple of us could.

      Her side of the family was from southern PA, with a lot of them in West Virginia. "We Work the Black Seam Together" is a whole other look into their lives.

      Nothing replaces a good storyteller when it comes to appreciating history...


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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Jun,If you want to check out another brilliant one from the same album that's related to this theme, give "Russians" a listen.

        That whole album has a bit of biographical feel for me. Mostly related to my family. My mother's Dad was born in 1898, and remembered a lot of things that aren't covered in high school history much. The stories that man would tell when you could get him talking. Only a couple of us could.

        Her side of the family was from southern PA, with a lot of them in West Virginia. "We Work the Black Seam Together" is a whole other look into their lives.

        Nothing replaces a good storyteller when it comes to appreciating history...


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        PAul my father was born in 1895 ( He was 58 when I was born).
        He served in WWI and my half brother served in WWII.
        You're right about the stories. What I learned from him gave me a whole different perspective on the history we learn in school.
        As a side, I still have part of the still he used during prohibition
        You don't tell a German he can't drink anymore
        It's because of his age when I was born and my half brother being 30 years older then me that I will always remember the importance of Pearl Harbor day and other important points in our history that are being forgotten by the younger generations.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Pearl Harbor: Sailors Who Survived Attack 70 Years Ago Return To Ships After Death

    story here...

    Pearl Harbor: Sailors Who Survived Attack 70 Years Ago Return To Ships After Death
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    My mother is 87 years young. She can't walk without a walker or wheelchair,but when she shows you a picture of her standing tall in her wac outfit you can see the pride in her eyes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I will definitely salute the men and women that went thru that war.

    As a history buff. I have studied quite a bit about that terrible war and how many millions died in terrible ways.

    Sometimes I have to wonder if the younger people even realize what an immense tragedy it all was.


    So a definitive salute from this vet to all who went through that...civilians included.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattds
    My Grandfather was a medic in ww2 and was stationed in Egypt and then in Italy. Some of the things he saw and had to deal with out there would make your toe nails curl.

    He never talked much about his time in the war and alhough had a few scars himself never held a grudge.

    A man of many who were honarable throughout.

    RIP
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Thom,

      I hear you. My Mom was the youngest of 11, and my Dad was the second oldest of 10. The stories spanned a lot of years and a lot of history. (I had cousins older than my parents, and went to grade school with one of my uncles.) Might be why watching the evening news was such a ritual for us.

      Too many stories from too many wars. And too many military funerals.

      I've got friends to this day who are, as Charlie Daniels put it, "Still in Saigon."

      Memories aren't all they're cracked up to be.


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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Some of that sounds familiar Paul.
        My niece is two years older then me.
        I never heard to many war stories.
        Both my father and brother looked at their service as something that they had to do for their country and that was that.
        They never felt it was anything special, just their duty.
        Now on the other hand.
        My father was born within 10 miles of where I live now and bought the house I live in in 1930. In his life he was many things, from a watch maker to gardener for the Vanderbilts. He spent the last 47 years of his working life as a Chef Refrigeration Engineer for City Ice, working with ammonia based ice making equipment. Because of him I'm sort of the neighborhood historian
        My mothers family at one time owned the east side of the Postenkil Mt..
        Her father moved to Green Island around 1910, she was born in 1916.
        Her side if the family had a history with the railroads, I got some great stories from those of them that where still alive after I was born
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    My dad served in World War II and Korea. He had two ships sunk from under him, was severely injured one of those times and was nearly captured by the Japanese the other time but he survived. I was born while he was serving in Korea.

    When I was a child he had consistent nightmares and would scream in his sleep stuff like, "We gotta get out of here! She's [the ship] going down!"

    He eventually fully recovered though and had a successful life. He would never talk about the war though. I only know about what happened to him because his best friend told me.

    It's unimaginable to me what those guys went through and what constant fear their loved ones back home must have suffered. We owe them our freedom, that's for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "I've got friends to this day who are, as Charlie Daniels put it, "Still in Saigon."

    My father served in Korea.He passed away a few years back,my only living brother has times when he is "Still in Saigon".
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    History is always at its finest when from the mouth of someone who lived it.

    I have been blessed with a bloodline of longevity. Many of my relatives have been well into their 100's and lived into an age of my life that their stories had meaning for me. My father's family men were all in the military at one time or another, all in war. My Mother's family came over during the Bolshevik takeover in Russia. War is ugly in any country, and excruciatingly so when it hits your home soil. Listening to them tell their lives is something I really miss. My father also never spoke much of the war. I know some of what he could have said would have shocked us.

    War is called a necessary evil, but the cause is always nothing but some human's greed for power and wealth. I wonder if we will ever learn to boot people from their pedestals when they become maniacal instead of killing masses for the glory of the criminally insane.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    We saved the world and we were rewarded by quickly becoming the first middle class nation in the history of the planet.

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