I Am *PISSED* Off... College Is A JOKE!

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I am actually, sincerely, pissed off right now. I need to vent.

So as many of you guys know, I am in my first year of college. I'm mainly there because I want to have the experience, and I love learning...

However, I have realized that college is not really meant to teach you any useful skills, or make you successful. In fact, it is meant to do the opposite.

What do I mean?

Every SINGLE one of my teachers, from the first day, have one main thing they seem to preach.

"The skills I am teaching you right now will be very useful when you are working for someone after college!"

Writing proposals to your BOSS, Asking for a raise, asking for days off, asking for more vacation time, doing fiscal reports, and so on.

Essentially, college trains you to be someone elses b!tch.

And every since kid in my class sits there are smiles and goes "oh, thats true! I can ask for a raise and vacation time!"

Plus, everyone is under the impression that if they go to college, they WILL be successful...

When I was about 10, I thought about how many people went to college EVERY year, and then compared that to how many people were millionaires... hell, how many people were NOT in debt...

It didn't add up then, and it still doesnt...

Am I the only one in college who sees this?

It irritates me as to how much people in my classes act like sheep... How little drive they have...

Is it just me or what? People should be doing what WE are all doing... Not looking forward to asking for raisies and vacation time...
#off topic #college #joke #pissed
  • Profile picture of the author Rachel Incoll
    I couldn't agree with you more. Even though I went through school and did well, then onto university (for about 18 months) I'm no fan of the schooling system. It's taken me the better part of 10 years to 'unlearn' some of the stuff/attitudes I learnt at school...but I'm a much better person now I have.

    It was designed to create employees & not entrepreneurs.

    I can't wait for the day when I can get my 2 kids out of the schooling system to be home schooled (they've only just started school). Mainstream schooling tends to be rather degrading (Steiner & Montessori don't seem too bad).

    Robert Kiyosaki has written a great book on this that I suggest you read - If You Want to Be Rich & Happy Don't Go to School?

    Cheers

    Rachel
  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    Going to college isn't going to make you successful in itself. Success is up to you.
    • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
      Yeah, college is ridiculous. I'm second year right now, wish I had never gone. But, if it weren't for coming to college I wouldn't be in IM right now, so I don't know... I'm going to get a bunch of marketing/business experience while I'm here, apparently it's an excellent business school.
  • Profile picture of the author alexshelton
    This my friend is why you've been so successful so far!

    Drive, determination and the confidence to be a little different than the norm. You gotta remember though, not everyone is built the same, I've noticed this talking to friends, colleagues and family; some people are happy with what they have.

    All I can say is, try and enjoy your time there! Girls,Beer and Parties can't all be bad huh? lol

    Why not try and teach them a few things too? and maybe influence those guys with little/no drive.

    Have fun

    Al
  • Profile picture of the author Partner Guy
    I look at college as a formality. It is not necessary to attend to be successful, although it does make life a littler easier when you have a degree typically.

    Although I appreciate my degrees, I cherish more what I've learned through experience, hard work, and trail and error.

    Stay in school and get your degree, but continue to build a business that you can call your own.

    ~Partner Guy
    • Profile picture of the author stacyfox
      Are you taking interesting classes? It sounds like you are in a lot of business related classes. But, if you enjoy philosophy, art, politics, literature, etc. you might be better off in those departments. The "egghead" professors are a lot less likely to be pushing careers on you. (They will, however, try to get you to go to grad school ).

      Stacy
    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Partner Guy View Post

      I look at college as a formality. It is not necessary to attend to be successful, although it does make life a littler easier when you have a degree typically.

      Although I appreciate my degrees, I cherish more what I've learned through experience, hard work, and trail and error.

      Stay in school and get your degree, but continue to build a business that you can call your own.

      ~Partner Guy
      Stay in school and get your degree, but continue to build a business that you can call your own so that you can have tons more leverage over your life when you graduate.

      Excellent post for the youngster.

      TL
  • Profile picture of the author Matias1021
    I agree on what youre saying about money reasons, its really not that great an investment...but its a nice experience. Easy to meet people, theres other benefits youll get.
    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
      I couldn't agree less with the OP. What college are you going to "College of Bitches?"

      You are not focusing on the right things which is understandable at your age. You should be able to learn something in every class that can be put into your business.


      If you can't then maybe you are not as smart as you think.
  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Relax M&M,

    It appears you are one of those 'gifted' souls who like to choose their own path, instead of following the sheep.

    It's tough being a Shepherd, Pioneer, Explorer, there are far greater numbers of sheep compared to Shepherds.

    It takes guts to blaze your own trail.

    Just take a deep breath, exhale slowly, and relax. Take your medicine, get your degree, don't let the sheep get to you, and I'll see you on the other side.

    - J
  • Profile picture of the author tscott_87
    I don't get this feel from my engineering classes - we always talk about some complex topic... lol. Not so much about the business world.

    That said, I think college is a great starting point. It's a backup plan if nothing else, but I think with my grades and work experience (I've gotten some thanks to college), I should be able to get a good start in the "system" and be able to build myself up pretty quickly after that! It's a matter of attitude... if you want to be more than just an employee, you've got to pay the price.

    Best of luck!
    • Profile picture of the author Stallion
      Originally Posted by tscott_87 View Post

      I don't get this feel from my engineering classes - we always talk about some complex topic... lol. Not so much about the business world.

      That said, I think college is a great starting point. It's a backup plan if nothing else, but I think with my grades and work experience (I've gotten some thanks to college), I should be able to get a good start in the "system" and be able to build myself up pretty quickly after that! It's a matter of attitude... if you want to be more than just an employee, you've got to pay the price.

      Best of luck!
      Yeah, I took engineering too. No stupid crap about how to get a raise or how to brown nose, we were too busy solving problems all day long.

      As good as business sounds to get into, I don't think University can really teach you anything about it. Business is dynamic, it's different, it's challenging. You have to be a problem solver, someone that can change, adapt and win. You can learn how to fill out standard forms (like there is a standard for building a business).

      I'd go take something that creates a skill. And no, brown nosing is a skill you don't want (or maybe you do lol).
  • Profile picture of the author mpeters7
    I agree it sounds like you're taking tons of business classes. In my opinion at least, the real value of college is in the intangibles. You can screw around with a bunch of topics that won't necessarily make you rich, but make you a much more interesting person.

    The best thing it can do is push your curiosity further, and while sometimes you feel like your classes won't be of any use, you'll wake up on the other side with some interesting skills that are hard to put your finger on, like the capacity to write and analyze things more effectively.

    Especially if you already feel you have a lot of business savvy, I would pick a class that has nothing to do with business and see how it changes your whole outlook. Just my two cents.
    • Profile picture of the author Todd Lamb
      Just don't let it pass you by bro...the clock has a tendency to speed up and times of uncomplicated joy are a little more elusive when you have kids etc.

      Not to say life running your business etc isn't a blast, cause it is but just enjoy for what it is. You are fortunate to be able to view from an outside perspective rather than someone who only has a degree and a waitering job to look forward to.
  • Profile picture of the author lburrell
    I am getting my 2nd Masters degree as we speak. I will sit for the CPA exam Feb 26th and hope to be a CPA within 6 months time. I have worked in PR (obviously, see sig line), accounting, manual labor, lots of other things. Needless to say, I am "well schooled".

    However, I got my entire college and masters degrees paid for with scholarships (read NO STUDENT LOANS!). This is the key. If I am burdened with debt, like MOST kids in college are/will be, I'd have to go to work in order to pay the bills and support myself. Real Work. Not the stuff I want to do, but the stuff I have to do, because I'm not yet at my needed IM earnings per month.

    College is what you make it. I used it as a time to learn more about online business, IM, and how I wanted my life to be lived. They do teach you to be someone's bitch for the most part. I was (and still am) considered "weird" in my views of work by my classmates due to my non-traditional employment ideas. Many people told me "you'll never make it", "get a real job", "stop dreaming". All this did was drive me day after day after day to keep learning and keep dreaming. I am still reaching for my goals. I won't stop until I succeed just to prove all those assholes who are stuck in their own lives wrong.

    I used college to learn more about IM and started a small "test" business Your Personal GMAT Coach. You should use it to learn languages, travel, gain GREAT friends you will have for life, interact with other students (and see how you DON'T want to be haha) and just have a great time. Your personality will change, as will your worldview after you get done.

    College is a great experience IF it is treated the right way. It doesn't guarantee a job and it doesn't mean you are "smart" if you get a degree. I'm really not that smart, I just learned a solid skill set and worked hard.

    College is cool. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Be weird and don't follow the crowd!

    (Sorry for the changing of tenses throughout this post, it's late and i'm just typing away )
  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    College gives you DISCIPLINE. I accomplished in school what I never
    thought was possible because someone pushed me.

    Now I know that I am capable of a lot more than I thought.

    Stay in school boy!

    That's what my mamma would say.

    -Ray Edwards
    • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      College gives you DISCIPLINE.
      Not in my experiences Raydal, a Martial Arts Dojo gave me discipline. College gives you an education, parties, and a piece of paper at the end. I have tried both, that's just my experiences.

      - J
  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    You are right that College is not going to teach you how to be wealthy...

    But it can teach you many other skills that can be a foundation for other things that matter and that can help you be more successful and increase your potential.

    I never could focus on a major in college... I attended 2 colleges and two universities receiving about 6 years of education.

    I also only attended high school for 6 months and never graduated.

    Its not so much about the degree, the school you attend, or even if you attend a school its about your attitude, what you learn, and how you apply it.

    There may certainly be classes that seem like a waste of time... but they are prerequisites to other classes that may turn out to be the most important in your life.

    Just make sure you are attending for the right reasons... otherwise you may be wasting your time.

    I had a hard time focusing on my major when I was in college... I kept switching so I could take the classes I wanted to take... it was not the best approach for someone to get a degree and a career but it was great for someone who just wanted to learn ;-)

    Best of all... I met my wife at college :-)
  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Get the bachelor's. Don't get the master's IMO. That's what I am doing.
    • Profile picture of the author Tony X
      It depends on what college you go to. I just graduated from a University with a business degree. Many of my professors were CEOs and entrepreneurs at one point in their life.

      Each of them said this, and I'll paraphrase it, "If you are in my class to just graduate and work for someone else, get the hell out".

      They were teaching us how to work for ourselves, as well as other basic skills.

      So I wouldn't necessarily call college a joke.
  • Profile picture of the author Eric Stanley
    I thought the same thing every single day I was in college (graduated in August)... Training to be someone else's b*tch. While all the while I was creating products, trading, and making loot. I think I might have used MABYE 1 thing i've learned in college in my current business(es) and that's stretching it. It was a good excuse to slack off at times and meet/party with chicks..

    Everything relevant to my business and livelihood I have learned on the internet and more or less for free... Makes you think...
  • Profile picture of the author Alex Hunter
    OFF TOPIC: Got any pics of the maserati?

    Post em up... Your DP is microscopic.
  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Wasn't there another hotly contested thread about the college/no college debate? I remembered how the last one turned out...

    TomG.
  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    I'm like Thomas. I wouldn't give up my college years for anything.

    If someone was to come up to me today and tell me that I either had to give up everything I've got now (money, possessions, assets, property), or give up my college memories as though they never existed, I’d hand over everything quicker than Paul Myers could say 'sheep'.

    I can never be in my late teens/early 20s ever again. And it doesn't matter how much money I have now, I cannot buy, at any price, the experiences (mental, physical, social) I enjoyed in University at the age I enjoyed them.

    Anyone, can always make more money.

    Some things in this world are priceless, and University was one of those things for me.
    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      I'm like Thomas. I wouldn't give up my college years for anything.

      If someone was to come up to me today and tell me that I either had to give up everything I've got now (money, possessions, assets, property, etc.), or give up my college memories as though they never existed, I’d handover everything quicker than Paul Myers could say sheep.

      I can never be in my late teens/early 20s ever again. And it doesn't matter how much money I have now, I cannot buy, at any price, the experiences (mental, physical, social, etc.) I enjoyed in University at the age I enjoyed them.

      Anyone, can always make more money.

      Some things in this world are priceless, and University was one of those things for me.
      Amen brother Rowe.

      Honestly, those were some of the best times of my life. I look fondly at those memories and wonder "WTF was I thinking?" lol
  • Profile picture of the author rlnorthcutt
    The modern education system was created to train people to work in factories. The factories are now offices, but the concept is the same.

    The original industrialists noted that unless people were trained from a young age, they didn't act as "proper" cogs in a machine. Agrarian people were used to working and playing on flexible schedules based on what was going on.... factories demand constancy.

    College DOES have a use... to learn how to BS, meet people, have fun and make contacts for networking later... The paper you get is great is you do decide to work for someone else.

    I tried going to college 3 times... but I dropped out each time. Don't get me wrong... I was good at it (honor roll, national merit scholar, honors courses, high ranks on AP tests, etc.)... but it just wasn't for me.

    Luckily, I have been able to find my own work (real estate and web dev mostly), but its been tough. We just don't have the skills.

    Consider that kids are NOT taught to manage their personal finances or credit... much less run their own business.

    Thats like the native Americans not teaching their kids how to hunt or gather food...

    Ron
  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Songster
    I'm obviously a lot older than you ( I can't believe I am saying that) and young people usually don't listen to older people but you've put it out there so I'm going to tell you.

    Your college education opens the doors (depending on what you are taking - so be smart) so that you can "rub elbows" with those who know far more than you.

    Essentially, college trains you to be someone elses b!tch.
    Smart people who become someone elses bitch learn valuable skills and move up fast so that you can have your own bitches.

    Without college you may as well start practicing "would you like fries with that" because its that stupid piece of paper that tells a prospective employer that you are worth working with.


    "The skills I am teaching you right now will be very useful when you are working for someone after college!"

    Writing proposals to your BOSS, Asking for a raise, asking for days off, asking for more vacation time, doing fiscal reports, and so on.
    Even though when we are young we think we know everything - we don't and its those life skill that teach you tons.
    Working for others shows you the inside of a business you wouldn't normally see.
    Having your own business is more than just having a idea or product and selling it. There are those other shitty jobs like scheduling vacation time and doing fiscal reports, inventory - I could go on.

    I had my first business when I was 23 - built, sold it and went back to school.
    I went back to University as a "mature" student. Got my nursing degree and within 2 years was department director - managing staff, patient programs, budgets and all the political crap that goes with it.

    All the while working for someone else, I've had my own business

    For the last couple years I've worked for myself - I have online stores and build for others and occasionally I contract out my services to the area hospitals.

    If you think you can't learn anything at collage and that you are wasting your time then you won't be successful in business either. There are lessons to be learned in everything we do.

    Stay in school and change your attitude.
    Stop thinking - "gee what can they teach me". Start asking yourself "What can I learn today?"
    Take control of your learning and take advantage of the education while you are young.
    Sure start a business but don't blow off your studies it will pay off in the future.

    End of lecture.
    • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
      Originally Posted by Debbie Songster View Post

      Smart people who become someone elses bitch learn valuable skills and move up fast so that you can have your own bitches.
      LOL Debbie, I'm still laughing from your very true statement.

      Metaphorically speaking, everyone needs to graduate 'ho college' to become a "Pimp/Player".

      - J
  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Toder
    When I went to college I noticed that my professors drove rusted automobiles, the same suit every day... one Philosophy professor wore the same sweater (with holes!!), pants, socks & shoes every single day!

    I realized these guys aren't going to show me how to be a success. They were pathetic.

    At the time, I was performing magic at parties for good money. In my 3rd year, on the first day, in the middle of an Economics class, I realized this was for the birds.

    I closed my book, returned all of them and left... for good.

    I have never looked back. And, I have made millions.

    College? Maybe if you are going to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, architect, etc. But a businessperson? Forget about it!
  • Profile picture of the author Mredd
    I felt the same way.Too me it felt like the professor's where just going through the motions.Passing me through just to keep up with some quota of theirs.I know I did some horrible work on some assignments they gave me,but they didnt care just gave me a good grade and moved along.The colleges only care about bringing in the money and saving their reputation's.

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