Proof That 2 + 2 = 5

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

See... simple, isn't it?

Yes, simple, however you owe me a new head. Mine just exploded.

Luckily I have a cloning machine, and I have backup .jrd's for this very reason.
This is version .jrd #33 speaking to you.

That's the problem with your 'Simple' solution, everyone who reads that will end up headless.

Oh wait... you tricky little leprechaun killer... I'm on to you...

WARNING TO ALL LEPRECHAUNS...

DON'T READ THE SIMPLE SOLUTION...

IT WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!

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Buddd

15 years ago

Well actually, Thomas may be correct!

I have a tax accountant friend who says he can make
2 + 2 equal anything you want!

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Hmmm... very persuasive. Imagine how much more persuasive it would be if it made any sense whatsoever.
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gracyj

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Buddd

Well actually, Thomas may be correct!

I have a tax accountant friend who says he can make
2 + 2 equal anything you want!

Bud

Thats awesome.. Ask him to prove it here.

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Will Compton

14 years ago

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phoenixx9000

14 years ago

How about this one:
3 men go to a restaurant and the bill comes to £30 so they give the waiter £10 each. The waiter then realises he has overcharged them by £5 so he gives them back £1 each and pockets the other £2 for himself. So: it has cost the 3 men £9 each for the meal (£10 minus the £1 the waiter gave back).

3 x £9 = £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept for himself = £29

What happened to the other £1 ???

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by phoenixx9000

How about this one:
3 men go to a restaurant and the bill comes to £30 so they give the waiter £10 each. The waiter then realises he has overcharged them by £5 so he gives them back £1 each and pockets the other £2 for himself. So: it has cost the 3 men £9 each for the meal (£10 minus the £1 the waiter gave back).

3 x £9 = £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept for himself = £29

What happened to the other £1 ???

This means the total bill came to £25, not £30.

Therefore, each man should have got £1.66 back, which means the extra £1 mentioned in the problem went into the waiter's pocket.

In other words, it should have cost each man £8.33 per meal, but they ended up paying £9 each instead, so the "missing" £1 is already part of the £2 the waiter has kept.

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divinity001

13 years ago

Originally Posted by phoenixx9000

How about this one:
3 men go to a restaurant and the bill comes to £30 so they give the waiter £10 each. The waiter then realises he has overcharged them by £5 so he gives them back £1 each and pockets the other £2 for himself. So: it has cost the 3 men £9 each for the meal (£10 minus the £1 the waiter gave back).

3 x £9 = £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept for himself = £29

What happened to the other £1 ???

This is driving me nuts LOL

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eniven

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Start with: -20 = -20
Which is the same as: 16-36 = 25-45
Which can also be expressed as: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) = 52) 9 X 5

This step makes no sense...

Add 81/4 to both sides: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) + 81/4 = 52) 9 X 5 + 81/4
Rearrange the terms: ({2+2}) 9/2) 2 = (5-9/2) 2
Ergo: 2+2 - 9/2 = 5

Likewise, this last step also makes no sense.

Unless I'm missing something...

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Originally Posted by eniven

Unless I'm missing something...

Well, he's calculating in Gaelic -- so if you don't speak it, you'll need to get someone to translate for you.
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Suthan M

15 years ago

I learnt maths and additional mathematics.. and it didnt make sense to me either

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of course, it never ever did make sense from the start of my school life.. dun think it will make sense now..

@buddd :you know what, any chinese salesman can do the same thing..

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Thomas

15 years ago

I should have known your lilliputian human minds could never comprehend such mathematical genius!

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Thomas

15 years ago

I hope everyone will do me the courtesy of ignoring the fact that I ommitted "by initimdation" after "Proof" (a.k.a. "Argumentum verbosium"). Thanks, I appreciate it.

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

{COLOR=white}I hope everyone will do me the courtesy of ignoring the fact that I am fairly weird and probably intoxicated. Thanks, I appreciate it.[/COLOR]

Hmmm.......
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- myob 15 years ago
  
  But, it' not a real 5. You can't interchange multiplicands and dividends with sums and differences.
  This fuzzy math could cause a global economic crisis.
  
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- Jared Alberghini 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by KenStrong
  
  Hmmm.......
  
  KEN, STOP REVEALING OUR SECRETS... YOU ARE GOING TO RUIN THE FUN!!!
  
  We don't want simple folk to easily know our superpowers now do we? Please, pretty please, go edit your post and don't reveal the secrets written in the ancient scrolls.
  
  Don't you know of the secret magicians code? This is no different.
  
  HMPF... *storms off dissapointed...
  
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regmac

15 years ago

Very confusing thread start..

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HeySal

15 years ago

Jesus, Tommy - was that volumes of mathematics or mathematics of volumes, or mathematics on valiums?
Oh - speaking of Valiums - send a few to Jared the next time you plan to post. He seems to need preparedness.

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15 years ago

OK Thomas - I agree with you mate - here are 4 pound coins - got them? Good.

Now give me 5 back please!

You've got to love the Irish.

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15 years ago

¡ǝɯ oʇ ǝsuǝs sǝʞɐɯ

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artwebster

15 years ago

Hi, Thomas,
As soon as you changed the location of the fulcrum of the equation you destroyed all logic. An equation is an equation only when there are two distinct sides. Because you have been very sloppy in your positioning of the fulcrum (=), you have shot your own foot.
Incidentally, 2 + 2 only = 4 if you make the assumption that the value of 2 is constant and the value of 4 is constant. You are in real trouble if the values ever became variable.

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HeySal 15 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

You are in real trouble if the values ever became variable.

Yeah, but the only absolute in this universe is relativity.....so ya just never know.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Hi, Thomas,
As soon as you changed the location of the fulcrum of the equation you destroyed all logic. An equation is an equation only when there are two distinct sides. Because you have been very sloppy in your positioning of the fulcrum (=), you have shot your own foot.
Incidentally, 2 + 2 only = 4 if you make the assumption that the value of 2 is constant and the value of 4 is constant. You are in real trouble if the values ever became variable.

but that is the beauty of math not everything in it is logical which is why rules are made to find the solution to where before there wasnt one

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15 years ago

I can't understand your listing. It's without sense.

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Star69

15 years ago

What rubbish! Everyone knows 2 + 2 = 6 or 7, depending.

A man and woman. That's two.

Another man and a woman, that's another two.

You know they're going to have sex and end up with kids. One of the couples might even end up with twins!

Put it all together and there's your six or seven, depending!

Simple multiplication, er, addition.

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Suthan M

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Star69

What rubbish! Everyone knows 2 + 2 = 6 or 7, depending.

A man and woman. That's two.

Another man and a woman, that's another two.

You know they're going to have sex and end up with kids. One of the couples might even end up with twins!

Put it all together and there's your six or seven, depending!

Simple multiplication, er, addition.

So, are this couple swingers ? just asking

Details buddy..details !!

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Jared Alberghini 15 years ago

Originally Posted by DelfinaMc2008

rubbish explaination...why on earth a 2 + 2 would equal to 5.

Rubbish reply... why on earth would you expect to boost your post count in the OT forum? I suggest you try the Test Forum section to do that :p
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- yollyp 15 years ago
  
  This is where the logic starts - apply your "master" mind to selling and puffff you'll surely end up a millionaire. got me?
  
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Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by eniven

This step makes no sense...

Likewise, this last step also makes no sense.

Unless I'm missing something...

Originally Posted by regmac

Very confusing thread start..

Originally Posted by wscn007

confusing thread

Originally Posted by andr102

I can't understand your listing. It's without sense.

Originally Posted by DelfinaMc2008

rubbish explaination...why on earth a 2 + 2 would equal to 5.

Silly posters. Always posting without reading. Tsk! Tsk!
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andr102

15 years ago

It a great class of sums, where we can to proof 2+2=5 and so.
But it's important to find a mistake in the solution.

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jjpmarketing

15 years ago

There is a padded room with your name on it Thomas...

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SweetPea 15 years ago

Brain bending, mind blowing concept Lets just stick with the basic math, shall we?
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15 years ago

basic math made the people here bored...that's why they're going for alternatives...lol

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artwebster

15 years ago

Mary went shopping for 4lbs of apples. She could only find two shops with apples left and each only had 2lbs. The first shop was selling apples at $1 per lb and the other was selling them for $1.50 per lb. Mary bought 4 lbs of apples.
So 2 (lbs @ $1) + 2 (lbs @ $1.50) = $5

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Star69

15 years ago

AHHHHHH!!! Art! I thought I got away from these things when I got out of school!

Originally Posted by artwebster

Mary went shopping for 4lbs of apples. She could only find two shops with apples left and each only had 2lbs. The first shop was selling apples at $1 per lb and the other was selling them for $1.50 per lb. Mary bought 4 lbs of apples.
So 2 (lbs @ $1) + 2 (lbs @ $1.50) = $5

So, Art, what's the damned test question?! :confused:

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Mary went shopping for 4lbs of apples. She could only find two shops with apples left and each only had 2lbs. The first shop was selling apples at $1 per lb and the other was selling them for $1.50 per lb. Mary bought 4 lbs of apples.
So 2 (lbs @ $1) + 2 (lbs @ $1.50) = $5

Yes, but that doesn't prove that 2 + 2 = 5. That shows that 2 + 3 = 5. (2 x 1) +
(2 x 1.5) = 2 + 3 = 5

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roofcoatings

Banned 15 years ago

I don't have any proof. Its a total wastage of time and i don't have time. My time is very precious.

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Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by roofcoatings

My time is very precious.

... though not too precious to spend replying to a 2 month old thread?
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  Originally Posted by Thomas
  
  ... though not too precious to spend replying to a 2 month old thread?
  
  Tommy, quit replying to old threads -- we know you're just trying to raise your post count.
  
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  Originally Posted by KenStrong
  
  Tommy, quit replying to old threads -- we know you're just trying to raise your post count.
  
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15 years ago

You lost me?

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Rick McCombs 15 years ago

Here is a video that will explain the math.

YouTube - Ma & Pa Kettle Math
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  Here is a video that will explain the math.
  
  YouTube - Ma & Pa Kettle Math
  
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Originally Posted by GoogleSearchToday.com

You lost me?

We've been trying.
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jyzackoh

15 years ago

OMG the equation is making me explode. I should stop reading it. I have a series of exams next monday onwards! Gosh hahaah!

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

This is almost as bad as 7 X 13 = 28
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- HeySal 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  This is almost as bad as 7 X 13 = 28
  
  You forgot to finish reducing it 7 X 13 = 1
  
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- Thomas 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  This is almost as bad as 7 X 13 = 28
  
  I can prove that too but enough heads have exploded...
  
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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Jethro is good at ciphering

Might be as good as you Tommy :p

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SivartKceBael

14 years ago

Proof that 2+2=5(just thought of it)
You have TWO Eyes
Close your right eye. You have one field of vision.
Close your left eye to perceive the other field of vision
Open them both for the whole vision 2+2=5
2 eyes plus 2 halves of 1 whole field of vision equals 5

That's not including what you can't see. So if our eyes only perceive 10% of the data our brain sends it then each eye is only ever working at 2.5% proficiency while the other is closed. That's assuming of course that proficiency isn't increased when the eyes are closed. So 5 equals 50, but it could equal 50 million with eyes closed, mind open. there's just a hell of a lot more ones.

1+1=3 Right brain, Left brain, Whole Brain, No Brain?

Zero equals not none, but is a lesser form of one.
Proof? 1 times any number is itself...0 times any number is 0(i.e. itself)
0 is not a number, but when multiplied by one it is already itself.

I'm supposed to believe that 0 does not fit in the Fibonacci Sequence, yet still believe that nothing exists? I wonder if there are any other places in the universe where nothing=something??? Hmmm... I wonder. Answers lead to questions which lead to numbers which lead to words which all boil down to the number 4
Question
Eight
Five
Four

Answer
Six
Three
Five
Four

Nothing less and nothing more...peace or distress we've seen it all before.

Pi=mmm! and imaginary number i=

Oh damn these words that formulate these questions that spawn numbers that leads to rules that we learn not to question. Damn this 5th dimension that harbors the creativity needed to produce such a cruel invention.
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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Which is the same as: 16-36 = 25-45
Which can also be expressed as: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) = 52) 9 X 5

No it can't!

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whateverpedia

14 years ago

OK.

Now we know that Thomas works as a government statistician.

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Sumit Menon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

OK.

Now we know that Thomas works as a government statistician.

That or he's in first grade and just trying to impress his friends with "cool" math tricks.
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Rembo

14 years ago

You're using an older version of Excel aren't you?

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14 years ago

I don't get it!

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acrasial

14 years ago

But 1+1 actually = 11!

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sharjeel 14 years ago

But 1+1 actually = 11!

well the symbol ( ! ) is known as FACTORIAL in MATHEMATICS.... ::p
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adammacbell 14 years ago

Awesome calculations. I didn't think about this and It is possible. Mind blowing maths of your. Keep it up.
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i don't get it
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"If there is anything that is infinite in this universe it is the human ability to play mind-twisting word games in order to justify a given idea."

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highhopes 12 years ago

LET ME SEE NOW, OH YES UHUMM,....

Knowing what a proof is, is the first step in answering this question. From what I am familiar with...

A proof is: a set of logical steps acquired through deductive (therefore, not making any giant leaps in logic, unless by definition), and hence, empirically (from the evidence provided) resulting in a direct equivalence (being, among other types of equivalence, but primarily, in permutation, multiplicative/additively & negatively/positively & even/odd... meta-mathematically) of states, that's shortest distance is (in absolute terms), either infinity, zero, and/or, also, one.

Really, the attempted 'proof' of 2 + 2 = 5 is based on a distorted type of Trigonometry, which was in essence the source of today's Calculus (just try to draw Tangent or Secant without running into the idea of Calculus' derivative & integral, respectively), and actually is the result of any additive equavalence of any two numbers' to being alike to any number, (because measuring hypotenuse of a given sides is essentially multiplicative, hence partially irrational).

(Which makes me wonder... is there a 2 * 2 = 5 equivalent? and the answer is a resounding, yes! But first the 'proof' as written by Charles Seife.)

Let a & b each be equal to 1. Since a ^ b are equal,

b^2 = ab ...(eq.1)

Since a equals itself, it is obvious that

a^2 = a^2 ...(eq.2)

Subtract equation 1 from equation 2. This yeilds

(a^2) - (b^2) = (a^2)-ab ...(eq. 3)

We can factor both sides of the equation; (a^2)-ab equals a(a-b). Likewise, (a^2)-(b^2) equals (a + b)(a - b) (Nothing fishy is going on here. Ths statement is perfectly true. Plug in numbers and see for yourself!) Substituting into the equation 3 , we get

(a+b)(a-b) = a (a-b) ...(eq.5)

So far, so good. Now divide both sides of the equation by (a-b) and we get

a + b = a ...(eq.5)

b = 0 ...(eq.6)

But we set b to 1 at the very beginning of this proof, so this means that

1 = 0 ...(eq.7)

...Anyways, getting that far gives us the jist of the proof, later in the proof, Charles Seife goes on to prove that Winston Churchill was a carrot! if you want to know how that is possible, I recommend you read the book.

From equation 7, add a number to either side and get it equal to any other number, one greater than itself.

Multiplying equation 7 after adding to it, and one can get: any number is equal to any other number.

Hence, conceptually, any number is equal to zero, and, theoretically, that includes infinity. But that's also the reason why when you divide by zero, it is 'Undefined.' Which, consequentially, is what is happening in this equation... just subsistute 1 into equation 3 and one will see that we are dividing by zero in equation 5.

This is what lead to the invention of calculus. Really, from here this segways into Hilbert Space... but that is best left for another entry, hopefully, on the actual subject of quantazation.

That's all I have time for...

THIS PROOF IS BY DEFINITION INCORRECT, but it provides a good tool as of why we define things in mathematics the way we do.

A good question to ask from here would be (based on my previous tangent):

Does 1/3 plus 1/3 plus 1/3 = 1?
Or, does it equal just zero point nine repeating?
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kenmichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

But 1+1 actually = 11!

no that's 1 & 1
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Leejeong 11 years ago

It's like the same as x=y
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  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
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Brian Tayler

14 years ago

Wow and all these years I thought 2 + 2 = 6?

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acrasial 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Tayler

Wow and all these years I thought 2 + 2 = 6?

No, two and two would be 22. If you put two two's together, that makes 22. Two and two. Twenty Two. LOL. It's SIMPLE MATH LOL.
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Dital

14 years ago

Is that the missing formula that has been evading mankind up until now?

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dagaul101

14 years ago

You lost me at the (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) = 52)

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14 years ago

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daryl Lim

Zis is impossible, nuff said.

2+ 2 = 4 is as good as the law of gravity. In fact, more impressed than gravity. Gravity only works on Earth but the law of arithmetics works everywhere in the Universe.

Gravity works everywhere in the Universe.

If it only worked ON the earth, we wouldn't have an orbit around the sun, as it wouldn't have any gravitational effect on us. And that's only the beginning.

The rules of arithmetic are the same where WE apply them. However, you need beings that can think and reason to use arithmetic. Most planets and stars do not have such beings, so arithmetic is not even close to universal. But, again, the rules of arithmetic apply everywhere.

Neat stuff to think about.

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mikelstott 13 years ago

Does it? I would concede that the curvature of space-time from mass (i.e. Gravity) is universal. So while it may "work" everywhere in the Universe, its presence is not "felt" everywhere (Yes a variant of the "if a tree falls and nobody hears it..." argument). Just like our friend the atom, 99.999999% of the Universe is empty space. On average, matter accounts for less than 1 atom per cubic inch.

And while on the subject of relativity... what if there is a cosmological constant? All signs point to yes... ironically, it is variable. So Einstein's greatest mistake may have been closer than he ever dared dream to this quantum reality we are just beginning to understand.

The "rules" of the arithmetical are indeed universal. If a species somewhere had six digits per hand, chances are they'd use a base-12 numeric system.
But A^2 + B^2 will still equal C^2... unless of course, you are taking a god-awful class in Non-Euclidean Geometry hahahahahahahahaha

Just as if the order of operations were toyed with...
say some alien race decided to add first, then multiply.
That's fine too... so long as they did so consistently, a primer could be crafted to "map" their arithmetic with our own.

No matter the base... no matter the rules.... 2+2 will equal 4... the names may be different (only to protect the innocent).... but after the translation, 4 is... well... 4. These tweaks are syntax choices... the equations would look bizzare... but they'd essentially be the same.

So even though Daryl was incorrect... and you are correct... the path you took to get there was a bit flawed my friend.
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- Kronos5253 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mikelstott
  
  Just like our friend the atom, 99.999999% of the Universe is empty space. On average, matter accounts for less than 1 atom per cubic inch.
  
  That's not true either... Some 98% of the Universe is occupied, by either dark energy, dark matter, or 'normal' matter. Around 2% of the Universe is truly empty space. Between 'normal' matter and dark matter they make up around 30% of the Universe.
  
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sparckyz

14 years ago

Everyone knows 2+2=22

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14 years ago

What an interesting topic.

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14 years ago

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mikelstott

13 years ago

Wow. This was a very fun thread to read. Too bad even those of us with Mathematics degrees couldn't parse the statements. First off, how can one equation loaded with constants equal another equation? This seems like circular logic to me.... however- I have fun with my advanced students with this algebraic gem... 10,000 points to the first person to correctly critique my proof:

In the spirit of this thread (and George Orwell), I will slightly alter my "proof"
Typically, I demonstrate that one equals zero. But, we can pretend we work at the Federal Bureau of Statistics and fudge the numbers by adding a couple steps... we will play with this Euclidean-Style... enjoy

Preamble
1. Let A = Some Real Number
2. Let B = Some Real Number

Supposition
Let A = B

If so, let the games begin.....

1. A = B
2. Add negative B to both sides --> (A - B) = (B - B)
3. Simplify --> (A-B) = 0
4. Divide by the quantity (A-B) --> (A-B)/(A-B) = (0)/(A-B)
5. Simplify --> (A-B)/(A-B) = 1 --> 1 = 0

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Sumit Menon 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikelstott

3. Simplify --> (A-B) = 0
4. Divide by the quantity (A-B) --> (A-B)/(A-B) = (0)/(A-B)

Divide by zero? You're really not supposed to do that!
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Kronos5253

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mikelstott

Wow. This was a very fun thread to read. Too bad even those of us with Mathematics degrees couldn't parse the statements. First off, how can one equation loaded with constants equal another equation? This seems like circular logic to me.... however- I have fun with my advanced students with this algebraic gem... 10,000 points to the first person to correctly critique my proof:

In the spirit of this thread (and George Orwell), I will slightly alter my "proof"
Typically, I demonstrate that one equals zero. But, we can pretend we work at the Federal Bureau of Statistics and fudge the numbers by adding a couple steps... we will play with this Euclidean-Style... enjoy

Preamble
1. Let A = Some Real Number
2. Let B = Some Real Number

Supposition
Let A = B

If so, let the games begin.....

1. A = B
2. Add negative B to both sides --> (A - B) = (B - B) Anything after this equation is a false statement. If you put any number into this equation it comes out to be 0 = 0. So if you simplify it...
3. Simplify --> (A-B) = 0 ...this equals 0 = 0...
4. Divide by the quantity (A-B) --> (A-B)/(A-B) = (0)/(A-B)...and this you can't do because the equation is indeterminate
5. Simplify --> (A-B)/(A-B) = 1 --> 1 = 0

Lemme know if this is about right.

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Bradley J Anderson

13 years ago

Since this thread keeps getting re-opened, why not just make it the 'weird math' thread:

Three people check into a hotel room. The bill is $30, so they each pay $10. After they go to the room, the hotel manager realizes that the bill should have only been $25. So he gives $5 to the bellhop and tells him to return the money to the guests. The bellhop notices that $5 can't be split evenly between the three guests, so he keeps $2 for himself and then gives the other $3 to the guests.

Now the guests, with their dollars back, have each paid $9 for a total of $27. And the bellhop has pocketed $2. So there is $27 + $2 = $29 accounted for. But the guests originally paid $30. What happened to the other dollar?

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forexs

13 years ago

Am very poor in this hope you can help me.

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Bradley J Anderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by forexs

Am very poor in this hope you can help me.

You do realize that posts made in 'Off Topic' do not count toward your post count, yes?
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tonnymonti

13 years ago

reading this is just a waste of time...because i can prove 2+2=5 in a better way than your's.

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Sunfyre7896

13 years ago

Hey, you guys all sound like Harold Camping. You should market this and you'll make millions. His math is the same way. You can make an equation for anything if you ambiguously choose numbers. It won't work almost everytime, but if you try hard enough, there's an equation that equals everything. For example: It is 19 months until 12/21/12 and the end of the Mayan Calendar. That is 21-2, because the day is the 21st. There are 31 days in December which is the month it is in subtracted from 45 which is 12+21+12 equals 14. And if you add the second digit in each of the dates of 12/21/12 you get 5. 14 + 5 equals 19. 19 months exactly until the end of the world. And if you're wondering about those 4 extra days since we are four days past the 21st, fret not. If you add the first digits in the dates 12/21/12, you get 4 which is the number you have to subtract from 19. 19 months less 4 days to the day of the end of the Mayan Calendar. . . See I did that without much thinking but I bet someone would buy that. LoL.

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hireava

13 years ago

It's kinda' confusing. I'm not that good in math either.

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pragati jain

13 years ago

it is not as difficult as he did.....
see...:p

let,
-20=-20
16-36=25-45
we can write as

(4)^2 -(2*4*9/2) +(9/2)^2 = (5)^2 -(2*5*9/2) +(9/2)^2

apply the formula i.e (a-b)^2=a^2 -2ab+b^2
so,
(4-9/2)^2 = (5-9/2)^2
or,
4-9/2=5-9/2
4=5
2+2=5 proved

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stanleyjgs

13 years ago

2 and 2 = 4 ... trust me on that

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Gavori

13 years ago

I have proof 1+1=window

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Fazal Mayar

13 years ago

This is a bit too much for my brain :O but nice stuff mate

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eurekapsycrille

12 years ago

If mathematics was a literal war that can kill people, I'm sure I'm the first casualty!

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Brassneck 12 years ago

Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille

If mathematics was a literal war that can kill people, I'm sure I'm the first casualty!

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paul_1

12 years ago

Wow this is a very enlightening mathematical breakthrough!.. Thanks for sharing your genius...

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McCoy

12 years ago

I dont get it.. LOL..

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thedroidproject

12 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Hi, Thomas,
As soon as you changed the location of the fulcrum of the equation you destroyed all logic. An equation is an equation only when there are two distinct sides. Because you have been very sloppy in your positioning of the fulcrum (=), you have shot your own foot.
Incidentally, 2 + 2 only = 4 if you make the assumption that the value of 2 is constant and the value of 4 is constant. You are in real trouble if the values ever became variable.

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candoit2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Start with: -20 = -20
Which is the same as: 16-36 = 25-45
Which can also be expressed as: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) = 52) 9 X 5
Add 81/4 to both sides: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) + 81/4 = 52) 9 X 5 + 81/4
Rearrange the terms: ({2+2}) 9/2) 2 = (5-9/2) 2
Ergo: 2+2 - 9/2 = 5
Hence: 2 + 2 = 5

See... simple, isn't it?

Would you trade $2 plus $2 for $5?

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Jayr135

12 years ago

nether i, 2+2= 5?

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funguy01

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Ergo: 2+2 - 9/2 = 5

2+2=4
9/2=4.5
Hence:
4-4.5=-.5

Therefore:
-.5<5

so:
2+2≠5

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cashtree

12 years ago

you want some fancy math, I got some fancy math for you, anything times 9 that's under 12 will = 9.

9 * 1 = 9
9 * 2 = 18(1+8=9)
9 * 3 = 27(2+7=9)
9 * 4 = 36(3+6=9)
etc...
also you want to get real clever, ever heard of "1337" talk? well 1+3+3=7

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highhopes 12 years ago

quick answer?

Knowing what a proof is, is the first step in answering this question. From what I am familiar with...

A proof is: a set of logical steps acquired through deductive (therefore, not making any giant leaps in logic, unless by definition), and hence, empirically (from the evidence provided) resulting in a direct equivalence (being, among other types of equivalence, but primarily, in permutation, multiplicative/additively & negatively/positively & even/odd... meta-mathematically) of states, that's shortest distance is (in absolute terms), either infinity, zero, and/or, also, one.

Really, the attempted 'proof' of 2 + 2 = 5 is based on a distorted type of Trigonometry, which was in essence the source of today's Calculus (just try to draw Tangent or Secant without running into the idea of Calculus' derivative & integral, respectively), and actually is the result of any additive equavalence of any two numbers' to being alike to any number, (because measuring hypotenuse of a given sides is essentially multiplicative, hence partially irrational).

(Which makes me wonder... is there a 2 * 2 = 5 equivalent? and the answer is a resounding, yes! But first the 'proof' as written by Charles Seife.)

Let a & b each be equal to 1. Since a ^ b are equal,

b^2 = ab ...(eq.1)

Since a equals itself, it is obvious that

a^2 = a^2 ...(eq.2)

Subtract equation 1 from equation 2. This yeilds

(a^2) - (b^2) = (a^2)-ab ...(eq. 3)

We can factor both sides of the equation; (a^2)-ab equals a(a-b). Likewise, (a^2)-(b^2) equals (a + b)(a - b) (Nothing fishy is going on here. Ths statement is perfectly true. Plug in numbers and see for yourself!) Substituting into the equation 3 , we get

(a+b)(a-b) = a (a-b) ...(eq.5)

So far, so good. Now divide both sides of the equation by (a-b) and we get

a + b = a ...(eq.5)

b = 0 ...(eq.6)

But we set b to 1 at the very beginning of this proof, so this means that

1 = 0 ...(eq.7)

...Anyways, getting that far gives us the jist of the proof, later in the proof, Charles Seife goes on to prove that Winston Churchill was a carrot! if you want to know how that is possible, I recommend you read the book.

From equation 7, add a number to either side and get it equal to any other number, one greater than itself.

Multiplying equation 7 after adding to it, and one can get: any number is equal to any other number.

Hence, conceptually, any number is equal to zero, and, theoretically, that includes infinity. But that's also the reason why when you divide by zero, it is 'Undefined.' Which, consequentially, is what is happening in this equation... just subsistute 1 into equation 3 and one will see that we are dividing by zero in equation 5.

This is what lead to the invention of calculus. Really, from here this segways into Hilbert Space... but that is best left for another entry, hopefully, on the actual subject of quantazation.

That's all I have time for...

THIS PROOF IS BY DEFINITION INCORRECT, but it provides a good tool as of why we define things in mathematics the way we do.

A good question to ask from here would be (based on my previous tangent):

Does 1/3 plus 1/3 plus 1/3 = 1?
Or, does it equal just zero point nine repeating?
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highhopes 12 years ago

Knowing what a proof is, is the first step in answering this question. From what I am familiar with...

A proof is: a set of logical steps acquired through deductive (therefore, not making any giant leaps in logic, unless by definition), and hence, empirically (from the evidence provided) resulting in a direct equivalence (being, among other types of equivalence, but primarily, in permutation, multiplicative/additively & negatively/positively & even/odd... meta-mathematically) of states, that's shortest distance is (in absolute terms), either infinity, zero, and/or, also, one.

Really, the attempted 'proof' of 2 + 2 = 5 is based on a distorted type of Trigonometry, which was in essence the source of today's Calculus (just try to draw Tangent or Secant without running into the idea of Calculus' derivative & integral, respectively), and actually is the result of any additive equavalence of any two numbers' to being alike to any number, (because measuring hypotenuse of a given sides is essentially multiplicative, hence partially irrational).

(Which makes me wonder... is there a 2 * 2 = 5 equivalent? and the answer is a resounding, yes! But first the 'proof' as written by Charles Seife.)

Let a & b each be equal to 1. Since a ^ b are equal,

b^2 = ab ...(eq.1)

Since a equals itself, it is obvious that

a^2 = a^2 ...(eq.2)

Subtract equation 1 from equation 2. This yeilds

(a^2) - (b^2) = (a^2)-ab ...(eq. 3)

We can factor both sides of the equation; (a^2)-ab equals a(a-b). Likewise, (a^2)-(b^2) equals (a + b)(a - b) (Nothing fishy is going on here. Ths statement is perfectly true. Plug in numbers and see for yourself!) Substituting into the equation 3 , we get

(a+b)(a-b) = a (a-b) ...(eq.5)

So far, so good. Now divide both sides of the equation by (a-b) and we get

a + b = a ...(eq.5)

b = 0 ...(eq.6)

But we set b to 1 at the very beginning of this proof, so this means that

1 = 0 ...(eq.7)

...Anyways, getting that far gives us the jist of the proof, later in the proof, Charles Seife goes on to prove that Winston Churchill was a carrot! if you want to know how that is possible, I recommend you read the book.

From equation 7, add a number to either side and get it equal to any other number, one greater than itself.

Multiplying equation 7 after adding to it, and one can get: any number is equal to any other number.

Hence, conceptually, any number is equal to zero, and, theoretically, that includes infinity. But that's also the reason why when you divide by zero, it is 'Undefined.' Which, consequentially, is what is happening in this equation... just subsistute 1 into equation 3 and one will see that we are dividing by zero in equation 5.

This is what lead to the invention of calculus. Really, from here this segways into Hilbert Space... but that is best left for another entry, hopefully, on the actual subject of quantazation.

That's all I have time for...

THIS PROOF IS BY DEFINITION INCORRECT, but it provides a good tool as of why we define things in mathematics the way we do.

A good question to ask from here would be (based on my previous tangent):

Does 1/3 plus 1/3 plus 1/3 = 1?
Or, does it equal just zero point nine repeating?
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  Truly weird...this post ( above) has appeared three times! Was it a quirk of mysterious math?
  
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

But Paul...
I thought you weren't going to tell us how your budget will get revenue until AFTER the Election! :rolleyes:

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hqsoftwarelab

7 years ago

Lol dont get it.
Some steps like 3 and 4 just dont make sence.

But I really think, that in my country taxes can be cont like that. An even can be 2 + 2 = 100

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tagiscom

7 years ago

Originally Posted by hqsoftwarelab

Lol dont get it.
Some steps like 3 and 4 just dont make sence.

But I really think, that in my country taxes can be cont like that. An even can be 2 + 2 = 100

Yes, 2009, this has to be a record.

I mean what do you get for bumping such and old post?????

A free Warrior Forum T-shirt or something?

This is turning this forum into a f***g sick joke!

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