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Who thinks the Sopa Blackouts worked?

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I'm not so sure.. a lot of talk about reviving the bills like zombies in the near future...

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    They maybe worked for a little while at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    The chief architect of the bill Lamar Smith, for one:

    SOPA is Dead: Lamar Smith Withdraws Bill from the House - International Business Times

    Here's 2 excerpts:

    "I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy," Smith (R-Texas) said. "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."

    Smith's action comes after a one-day Internet blackout to protest SOPA and its companion legislation in the Senate, Protect IP Act (PIPA), by some of the biggest Websites, including Wikipedia, Reddit, and Boing Boing. Google protested the bill with a black censor box over its Google doodle.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Has PIPA also been withdrawn? What about OPEN? We need to watch that for pre-vote editing, too. This has not gone away. In a nation that corporations run congress, there are too many very rich corporations pushing for it to just stop. Their business models are failing, piracy or not, and if they don't grab control of the net so they can shut music/film entrepreneurs down at will any way they can, they are in troubl. We have not seen the last of these types of legislation until we get corporations out of the white house.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The message of "we don't want this" got across - what happens in the future will be known in the future. I don't think blackouts will become common - it was a one time effort and effective. As a "tool" it's not going to work over and over.

      You haven't seen the last of the proposed laws - and you won't. There will be some type of regulation added that affects the internet just as offline corporations have laws added about safety and product materials, etc.

      If the point is only to fight back against ANY regulation or attempts to limit illegal practices online...we will lose. We have to become part of the solution. Knowledgeable internet users can help craft laws that make sense.

      Responsible internet users will help craft laws in the years to come - laws that will not be overly broad or restrictive for honest people online. The utopian image of a totally unregulated internet for everyone - is a dream. Techies with agendas, scam artists, and hackers would quickly violate the rights of innocent users - or exert their own agendas by damaging sites of others. That was done this week in a petty, stupid way with DDOS attacks.

      You have to understand the average internet user doesn't care - they think stopping child porn and piracy is a good thing. You won't convince them it isn't and there more of them than IMers.

      Look at OWS - their only message is "no". They have accomplished nothing except to cost millions in cleanup and law enforcement in various cities. Activists love to mention them - but to the average person they're a joke. It's not enough to be "against everything" - you have to also be part of the answer to problems.

      What worries me about the future is that total resistance to any regulation may result in over regulation. It's something to think about.

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The message of "we don't want this" got across - what happens in the future will be known in the future. I don't think blackouts will become common - it was a one time effort and effective. As a "tool" it's not going to work over and over.

        You haven't seen the last of the proposed laws - and you won't. There will be some type of regulation added that affects the internet just as offline corporations have laws added about safety and product materials, etc.

        If the point is only to fight back against ANY regulation or attempts to limit illegal practices online...we will lose. We have to become part of the solution. Knowledgeable internet users can help craft laws that make sense.

        Responsible internet users will help craft laws in the years to come - laws that will not be overly broad or restrictive for honest people online. The utopian image of a totally unregulated internet for everyone - is a dream. Techies with agendas, scam artists, and hackers would quickly violate the rights of innocent users - or exert their own agendas by damaging sites of others. That was done this week in a petty, stupid way with DDOS attacks.

        You have to understand the average internet user doesn't care - they think stopping child porn and piracy is a good thing. You won't convince them it isn't and there more of them than IMers.

        Look at OWS - their only message is "no". They have accomplished nothing except to cost millions in cleanup and law enforcement in various cities. Activists love to mention them - but to the average person they're a joke. It's not enough to be "against everything" - you have to also be part of the answer to problems.

        What worries me about the future is that total resistance to any regulation may result in over regulation. It's something to think about.

        kay
        Kay we already have laws making online piracy and child porn illegal.
        The Internet is regulated already also, just not to the extent the feds want it to be.
        Anybody who thinks adding new laws to what already exists and thinking they will stop the illegal activities is either very stupid or very naive (I'm not saying you are, I know you understand).
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    This is another bill we need to keep an eye on: The Legislation That Could Kill Internet Privacy for Good - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      I love the way they name these bills:rolleyes:
      They sure know how to push peoples buttons.
      'Stop Online piracy', 'Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers', like either bill would do what it was intended to do:rolleyes:
      They word the bill titles to make it look like if you are against the bill you are for whatever the bill title is.
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    You got that right Thom - makes us all look like a bunch of criminals. This bill, like SOPI, if passed puts way to much power into the wrong hands.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Sure does.
      What about WiFi centers?
      If you go to a coffee shop that has it, do you have to give them all your personal information to use your computer there?
      Then you have the x wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, who is bitter and wants revenge.
      So I go to the x's house to talk and when she leaves the room I do a quick google search for kiddie porn.
      X goes to jail and I don't have to pay alimony anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    LMAO............I see you understand the ramifications of this bill if it were passed.

    In all seriousness though, what you described could very well be reality. Just imagine the cost of trying to defend yourself.

    Everyone could/would be a potential target.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      LMAO............I see you understand the ramifications of this bill if it were passed.

      In all seriousness though, what you described could very well be reality. Just imagine the cost of trying to defend yourself.

      Everyone could/would be a potential target.
      What scares me is if I could see the ramifications before I finished the article, why couldn't 19 committee members who are supposedly smarter then me see them?
      I'll tell ya, I'm getting sick of babysitting these yahoos
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        What scares me is if I could see the ramifications before I finished the article, why couldn't 19 committee members who are supposedly smarter then me see them?
        I'll tell ya, I'm getting sick of babysitting these yahoos
        They CLEARLY don't read the bills! It is *******************VERY***************** rare that they can't be given the time to read those bills like 10 times before voting. I mean how often does that happen? Maybe ONCE every FIFTY years! There should be, and technically there IS, a law that if they lie about the bill or the impact of a measure, or attached bills, etc.... that they simply be disbarred, fined, and thrown in jail! I mean it IS fraud, treason, etc.... and often embezzlement. It is a pity that they even have laws BARRING enforcement. You can't even sue someone that did that for their own personal enrichment.

        I heard one person say that perhaps they are simply illiterate.

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    The problem is that a *****LOT***** of people haven't seen all the tricks and ramifications! They also don't know the full detail of the bill. *****AND***** ****MANY**** have NO idea how the internet works!

    HECK, I told you about the two tricks SCO played to try to KILL LINUX and ALL UNIX competitors, using laws PRECISELY like SOPA AND PIPA! I ALSO told you how AMAZON used one to hurt competition, like Barnes and Noble, through SIMILAR laws! What about the time that Black berry was almost put out of business by similar rules? And that was WITHOUT draconian laws!

    A company like google can really NEVER exist without HEAVY processing to check changes(which could take WEEKS), and people to validate changes(which could take MONTHS), unless we have a rather fair treatment, like we do now. As someone that wrote, and tested a system with a SMALL 400,000 link database, derived from a 1.2Billion links, I think I have a pretty good grasp on that. I doubt anyone else here is likely to be able to say the same, and I GUARANTEE you the politicians and "journalists" can't! They have NO idea!

    And there is NO centralized control! So NO central person is responsible. ALSO, there are caches ALL OVER! So EVEN after google deletes some info, it may appear that they haven't.

    Verisign once tried to pervert the internet for THEIR benefit, and people ALL OVER changed code to compensate. If the US tries to wipeout or pervert the DNS system, I bet people will write around THAT also!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kewl - thanks for the link Jody. I've passed it around a little bit. I've been watching other stuff and this one slipped by me. Hmmm - sounds like some of their methods really work. It's going to be a hard road keeping our rights alive. Especially with many already fatally wounded and others on life support.
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