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SOPA and PIPA Antipiracy Bills Put on Hold in Congress - WSJ.com

Leaders of the Internet movement that turned little-noticed antipiracy legislation into a national cause proclaimed victory Friday after congressional backers abandoned their bills.

Congressional backers of online antipiracy legislation called off their efforts Friday following a storm of opposition by Internet companies, effectively killing the bills in their current form. Peter Landers has details on Lunch Break.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nevada) called off a Tuesday vote and Rep. Lamar Smith (R., Texas) said he was cancelling plans to have the House Judiciary Committee take up the Stop Online Piracy Act.

Craigslist Inc. founder Craig Newmark, who had been rallying the digerati against the legislation, called the move "a serious grassroots victory for democracy." He said champions of the Internet now need to "turn that success into a tipping point which restores the American vision of honest self-government."

The bills, which backers said would have helped U.S. authorities crack down on foreign websites involved in the piracy of copyrighted movies and music, turned into a test of the ability of websites like Wikipedia and Craigslist to rally users for a cause.

They succeeded: Millions of people signed online petitions, lawmakers were flooded with emails, and congressional leaders who just days ago were pledging to press ahead were forced into a hasty retreat.

Sen. Jerry Moran (R., Kan.) said in an interview he was besieged with comments this week as he made the rounds of Rotary and Lions Clubs in his state. "This was a topic that was raised in every circumstance," he said. "It was a new segment of Kansans who got engaged."

The senator had taken an early stance against the legislation, influenced in part by leading opponent Google Inc. which is building a high-speed broadband network in Kansas City, Mo., and Kansas City, Kan.

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Still uncertain was whether the legislation could be revived in a new form. Supporters said they weren't giving up.

"There is no reason that the legitimate issues raised by many about this bill cannot be resolved," Mr. Reid said. "Counterfeiting and piracy cost the American economy billions of dollars and thousands of jobs each year."

Wikipedia, which gave the movement perhaps its biggest publicity boost by going dark Wednesday, put a note on its home page telling users it expected the fight to continue: "Thank you for protecting Wikipedia. We're not done yet."

The legislation--known in the Senate as the Protect IP Act--would have let the Justice Department seek a court order requiring U.S. Internet providers to block access to foreign pirate websites. Websites such as Wikipedia, Facebook and Twitter said that would chill free expression and single out for punishment websites that hadn't knowingly posted infringing content.

Rep. Smith accused the critics of fear-mongering and said law-abiding sites would have no problem operating under the new rules. But he was too late to stop the tide of opposition, which reflected broader skepticism by Internet users about regulation emanating from Washington. Some critics likened the antipiracy bills to the "Great Wall of China" that Beijing uses to police Internet content.

The NetCoalition, which has represented technology companies including Google, Yahoo Inc., and Amazon.com Inc. in the battle, said it commended Congress "on recognizing the serious collateral damage this bill could inflict on the Internet."

The coalition, echoing statements by Facebook and other opponents, said it was willing to cooperate on new antipiracy legislation, but that would probably look significantly different from the bills congressional leaders dropped Friday. "We remain committed to working with Congress to address the problem of piracy without compromising innovation and free expression," NetCoalition said.

The legislation had unanimous support last year in the Senate Judiciary Committee, led by Chairman Pat Leahy (D., Vt.). He called Friday for a quick debate on changes. Otherwise, "more time will pass with jobs lost and economies hurt by foreign criminals who are stealing American intellectual property," he said. "I hope other members of Congress won't simply stand on hollow promises to find a way to eliminate online theft."

The derailing of the legislation is a blow to the Motion Picture Association of America, the trade group for Hollywood studios that had aligned with U.S. Chamber of Commerce and labor unions to drum up support.

"As a consequence of failing to act, there will continue to be a safe haven for foreign thieves; American jobs will continue to be lost; and consumers will continue to be exposed to fraudulent and dangerous products," Chris Dodd, the former senator and MPAA's chairman, said in a statement.

--Peter Landers contributed to this article.
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    That's all well and good, reason for us to celebrate for now, but it doesn't mean it's over.

    They'll be back. They'll rewrite it, or try slipping it in through another door, but it ain't over. They want the power, and in my opinion, they've already been bought off to deliver the goods.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Sounds good.

    As I have said here on the forum a few times, if we don't regulate ourselves, someone will always want to step in and regulate for you.

    The sharks will always be circling. Which basically, is what Dennis said.

    The struggle is not over, nor will it ever be. There is far too much power in the net.
    Someone will always want to control it.

    If this 'grass roots' effort actually worked, it is a great day for the ordinary user ...
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I love the political spin of "American jobs lost and economic problems from all those foreign thieves...", as if we don't have thieves doing that here. They put those little patriotic spins on it simply to get the public under the "it's all their fault" trance. Blame those little foreign thieves.

    There's probably a marketing lesson in there somewhere...
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      I love the political spin of "American jobs lost and economic problems from all those foreign thieves...", as if we don't have thieves doing that here. They put those little patriotic spins on it simply to get the public under the "it's all their fault" trance. Blame those little foreign thieves.

      There's probably a marketing lesson in there somewhere...
      Our own Senator Schumer said it best.
      When he was in support of SOPA, "Without this bill we could lose thousands of jobs in New York."
      After black Weds. he said, "You have spoken and we have listened. With SOPA being shelved, thousands of jobs have been saved in New York.":rolleyes:
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      • Don't relax your bum cheeks just quite yet folks...
        just when you thought it was safe to back on the water...:p

        The Legislation That Could Kill Internet Privacy for Good - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

        This Bill Entitled "The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" Is a Bill with overly broadened language that greatly threatens all of us.
        "under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned."

        Oh - and the bill is H.R 1981 (only missed being prophetical by 3)

        Virtual-ly impossible you say? :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          Don't relax your bum cheeks just quite yet folks...
          just when you thought it was safe to back on the water...:p

          The Legislation That Could Kill Internet Privacy for Good - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

          This Bill Entitled "The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" Is a Bill with overly broadened language that greatly threatens all of us.
          "under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned."

          Oh - and the bill is H.R 1981 (only missed being prophetical by 3)

          Virtual-ly impossible you say? :rolleyes:
          That was 5 months ago, anything new on it?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Our own Senator Schumer said it best.
        When he was in support of SOPA, "Without this bill we could lose thousands of jobs in New York."
        After black Weds. he said, "You have spoken and we have listened. With SOPA being shelved, thousands of jobs have been saved in New York.":rolleyes:
        Chuck is a camera whore. Nothing more, nothing less. But he's good for entertainment value
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  • SOPA Is Dead: Smith Pulls Bill - just read that on Mashable!
    http://mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-...th-pulls-bill/

    Let's Celebrate! let's see...Friday...Happy Hour...No SOPA!! I'll drink to that!

    (I have a creepy feeling this is going to be like a Dracula Bill though...we haven't driven a stake through its' heart - yet!)

    And we still have to deal with WWW* and the Flying Monkeys...




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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I feel great about being one of those grass roots people who did my part and sent it out to my mailing list, thanks to some motivation from Paul Myers Jim!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. Jim and all. This is my opinion, but I think its less than ironic that some of the biggest supporters of the anti sopa movement were the bluefarters who are some of the biggest contributors to the problem that creates the need for regulation.


    Okay, done with my two cents now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua McCoy
    Hopefully google and wikipeadia will step up again if they try pulling the same stuff through under a different name in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daret
      Originally Posted by Joshua McCoy View Post

      Hopefully google and wikipeadia will step up again if they try pulling the same stuff through under a different name in the future.
      I agree with you, It was a great job done by sites like wikipedia, google, reddit to put pressure to stop the bill !!
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  • To Thom: Nope - but they haven't really shelved it yet...they were probably using this as a hold card ? it's been lurking around in the background...and it is just as flawed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    (a) don't expect many people to take up the cause for porn pigs. i think they should be banned from anything public.

    (i know, i know, the baby and the bathwater - we have to grin and bear it because banning them means all sorts of other things can happen to others as a result of the same legislation.)

    (b) comcast already keeps a record (just found out) - not only calls to my digital voice mail which I never use, but they have the calls I missed, AND the calls I make!!!

    ... so not a far stretch they know where i go on the internet. that's fine with me because i don't go to porn sites or look up how to murder somebody or anything i wouldn't admit in public. i don't save my credit card number ANYWHERE. i fill out order forms from scratch everytime. Anybody who stores credit card numbers is nuts.

    (c) i don't see this at all as draconian or with any where near the same ramifications as SOPA/PIPA - so they have to keep track - big deal - forensics can already get all that info anyway.
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  • @Patrician - I completely agree the intent is good. But as with the other bills, the suggested execution is corrupted and won't really work, and it puts policing responsibility in the wrong hands.

    No one will disagree that child porn is bad (except pedophiles and nambla), but as with these other bills, there are much better ways of attacking the problem.

    They say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - well, these guys have been doing a lot of road work, and they're trying to pave potholes with pudding...

    Someone used the analogy on SOPA the other day, that if a lion escaped from the zoo, these guys would kill all the kittens in town. Twisted? Yes - but illustrative of the problem.

    imho -
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I agree MMM -

    I think they have proved in so many ways, the border, the economy, wars, killer-pharma, FDA, just about everything that they control - that they are inept and are the last people on earth that should be creating legislation. (and 'inept' is putting it very mildly)

    It just gets me - like I understand better to let a crook go free than to prosecute an innocent man - and evil is just sooo deeply entrenched that the crooks are the only ones with civil rights.

    You see how this stuff with all the good intentions ends up hurting only innocent people, while again, the crooks just keep on - either way -

    Right is wrong and wrong is right - someday things will be set straight and I hope we are still around to see it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      I agree MMM -

      I think they have proved in so many ways, the border, the economy, wars, killer-pharma, FDA, just about everything that they control - that they are inept and are the last people on earth that should be creating legislation. (and 'inept' is putting it very mildly)
      I know what you mean, but sometimes I wonder, Patrician, how much is ineptitude and how much is intentional.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerfectSolution
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I know what you mean, but sometimes I wonder, Patrician, how much is ineptitude and how much is intentional.
        well said Gaskill. intentional is the more accurate description.
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrician
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I know what you mean, but sometimes I wonder, Patrician, how much is ineptitude and how much is intentional.
        egg-zactly, Dennis - that is what I mean by 'putting it "VERY mildly"' - they are UNETHICAL and actually in some cases CRIMINAL -

        ...even fattening. LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    That means people can go back to stealing other people's products and then beg for a solution when their stuff is being stolen.
    There's already solutions. They're not perfect, but neither was the proposed legislation. No one is saying there isn't room for improvement, but it seems that every current "solution" to every issue in this country leads to some new bill which hands yet greater control to our "leaders". I don't want them trying to solve all my problems. That's not their job.

    If the population at large stays awake, there can be better solutions without more government...
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  • Profile picture of the author lifeisfun
    If you follow politics carefully, you should know that to calm the people, this what they tell you. Bill has been postponed, bill has been shelved. Truth of the matter is, they will most likely stick this bill to some anti child porn bill and then say, if you're against child porn, then you should be for this new bill, which by the way, also fights internet piracy.
    Nobody wants to be called a pedophile, so guess what? Everybody is for it....


    And there is such a bill already out there....let the people fall asleep a bit, and then bam! See ya internet.

    An overzealous bill that claims to be about stopping child pornography turns every Web user into a person to monitor
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    I see some people don't understand just how much piracy can hurt an economy. I'm gonna assume that some people have no knowledge of how economics work, so I'll drop it on that note.
    And I see some people don't understand how govt. works.
    There are already laws in place that make piracy illegal.
    Heck the FBI just shut down a file sharing site BBC News - Megaupload file-sharing site shut down
    So explain to me why we need a bill like SOPA when they can already shut down the sites that SOPA would supposedly give them the power to do?
    Same with the child porn bill. It's already illegal to view child porn and illegal to have child porn and illegal to upload child porn.
    So do we need a bill that requires every ISP to monitor every site you visit?
    If that's the case maybe we need a bill that requires every US citizen to be monitored 24/7. Heck certain drugs are illegal and some people do them, so everybody in the US should be watched 24/7.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    I see some people don't understand just how much piracy can hurt an economy. I'm gonna assume that some people have no knowledge of how economics work, so I'll drop it on that note.
    Ignorant statement, somewhat. And with your chosen user name I find that statement comical. I am old enough to remember that economy killer

    As someone who has both created products and had them pirated I can tell you 100% that I understand perfectly. But I still don't want more government - who in general are bigger thieves than the ones they try to stop.

    Aside from looking for more control what this is really about is more money. More ways to tax you. More ways to collect fines from people who are unwittingly breaking the rules. Sorta like putting drug USERS in jail and saying they are fighting a war on drugs...

    What's been said a couple of times which you seem to be ignoring is that we already have laws. Maybe they can be improved, but the crap they just tried to cram down your throat wasn't the answer.
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  • This sums it up rather nicely...

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  • US signs ACTA

    The United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea signed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement on Saturday, an accord targeting intellectual property piracy.

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    The accord, which the United States says does not require Congressional approval, also calls on participating nations to maintain extensive seizure and forfeiture laws when it comes to counterfeited goods that are trademarked or copyrighted. Most important, countries must carry out a legal system where victims of intellectual property theft may be awarded an undefined amount of monetary damages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      US signs ACTA

      The United States, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea signed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement on Saturday, an accord targeting intellectual property piracy.

      Read Story: US signs ACTA

      The accord, which the United States says does not require Congressional approval, also calls on participating nations to maintain extensive seizure and forfeiture laws when it comes to counterfeited goods that are trademarked or copyrighted. Most important, countries must carry out a legal system where victims of intellectual property theft may be awarded an undefined amount of monetary damages.

      It will be soon, there will more anti-piracy bills and laws...than pirates.

      I've lost count...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    I see some people don't understand just how much piracy can hurt an economy. I'm gonna assume that some people have no knowledge of how economics work, so I'll drop it on that note.
    OK, OK! Let's go over a few possibilities, ok?

    1. Do you make backups? Do you realize that nearly every program that you back up, that was around in the eighties, at the VERY least limited backups to no more than one! SOME forbade ANY backups!
    2. Have you EVER taped any shows on TV? Do you realize that the media industry lobbied VEHEMENTLY against your even being able to?
    3. Have you EVER been on a site with one click ordering? Amazon wanted that to be ILLEGAL and has a "patent".
    4. Have you EVER used, or created frames in web pages? Some jerk patented THAT. and tried to enforce it!
    5. Have you ever linked to a page? Some actually wanted to prosecute people for that!
    6. Have you ever provided the java compiler to anyone? I PLANNED to have that as part of a project once, and actually called up SUN one time, and asked them. They forbade it, and said I should link to their download page. That is a FREE product folks!
    7. Have you EVER used other peoples products or code in your products, EVEN if you "paid" for it? I have seen LOTS of such things that were NOT properly licensed.
    8. HECK, have you ever ridden any land vehicle having wheels? A guy patented the wheel and might ask for a fee.
    9. Have you ever used ANY UNIX program? SCO wants to sue!
    10. Have you ever used POSIX?(Skip that, EVERYONE here technically has) Well, that was written by the same group that wrote UNIX, and SCO might get to THAT!
    11. Have you ever used a smart phone? NTP patented THAT with ANOTHER worthless patent. They only hit RIM(AKA BLACKBERRY) FIRST!

    Has EVERYONE here forgotten the GIF scare of the 1990s? It turns out that a minor part of that violated ANOTHER senseless patent, and they wanted a license fee! I researched it, and the GIF patent harkens back to the LZW patent for COMPRESS.

    If you ask me, it is TOO EASY to get a patent and enforce it. So we need laws ENFORCING the basis of patent registration that prior art or an obvious nature INVALIDATE patents! The wheel had prior art, so should NOT be patentable! The amazon single click had prior art, but was ALSO obvious, so IT should not be patentable. As for enforcing?

    1. GET RID of the special rule basically requiring lawyers!
    2. Punish nuisance suits, and obstruction of justice!

    PROBLEM SOLVED!

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    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    That means people can go back to stealing other people's products and then beg for a solution when their stuff is being stolen.
    Yes and as the scapegoats fall, the real problems continue to flourish. Not everyone felled in the sting, innocent or otherwise, will have a second chance at redemption. Neither you, nor I, are fooled that legislation is the answer or that answers backed by funding are purely good intentions.
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Sound far fetched? It's HERE! at least in a microcosm. THREE companies I recently worked for had this SAME thing! On two, I managed to avoid the need, but on one I was left with TWO choices!

      1. Loose ***MY*** work and ability to support the customer.
      2. Break the rules. OK, TECHNICALLY, it WASN'T breaking the rules! NO sensitive information was released! NO code! etc... and it was sent to ME!

      WHAT happened? An email was sent to ME, my boss, and HIS boss, asking me to explain this, and NO canned answer was adequate!

      Anyway, if a COMPANY, even after a WEEK, can't determine such things on the basis of THEIR enterprise, HOW can ANYONE on the PLANET be expected to determine such things minute by minute on a PLANETARY scale?

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    at least there would be less censorship on the internet
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    SOPA might be dead but I'm pretty sure some other similar law will pop up soon.
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  • Poor Chris Dodd: The former senator and now CEO of the MPAA can't catch a break: "You've got an opponent who has the capacity to reach millions of people with a click of a mouse and there's no fact-checker." Must be terribly hard to represent the largest media empires in the world, who collectively own all the major newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, billboards, record labels and studios. How will they ever get their side of the story out? —

    Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills - latimes.com
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Poor Chris Dodd: The former senator and now CEO of the MPAA can't catch a break: "You've got an opponent who has the capacity to reach millions of people with a click of a mouse and there's no fact-checker." Must be terribly hard to represent the largest media empires in the world, who collectively own all the major newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, billboards, record labels and studios. How will they ever get their side of the story out? --

      Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills - latimes.com
      Dodd said Friday that the industry would now seek a compromise version of the legislation. He acknowledged that Hollywood lost the public relations battle and blamed his Silicon Valley counterparts.
      Now he s resirting to name calling!

      "You've got an opponent who has the capacity to reach millions of people with a click of a mouse and there's no fact-checker. They can say whatever they want," he said. "We need to engage in a far better education process. People need to know ... that 98% of people who work in the entertainment industry make $55,000 a year. They're not moguls and they're not walking red carpets."
      MAN, HE tells lies like there is no tomorrow, so maybe he should stop with that. YEAH, they ALWAYS tell the truth.(sarc).

      And now THEY are blaming class warfare!?!?!? That's a switch. In congress, he was USING it!

      Oh, and dodd.... $55K a year is 50-100% over the national average! A lot of poor and "working class" consider THAT rich!

      Still, to consider the needs of one industry over ALL industries(including ITS needs) is just DUMB! Major studios have violated things for YEARS, and were sometimes sued for it. Imagine how draconian laws can affect YOU!


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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Poor Chris Dodd: The former senator and now CEO of the MPAA can't catch a break: "You've got an opponent who has the capacity to reach millions of people with a click of a mouse and there's no fact-checker." Must be terribly hard to represent the largest media empires in the world, who collectively own all the major newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, billboards, record labels and studios. How will they ever get their side of the story out? --

      Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills - latimes.com

      This guy needs to take his foot out of his mouth and keep it shut so people will not know what an ignorant dumb ass he is.

      :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Cara Tan
    Well, for a good reason, that is something worth celebrating for. It is a good thing that the US congress didn't approved SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act). This is good news for everyone! But still I have a feeling that someday in the future, they will be having a similar bill like this. Lets just hope that a bill like SOPA will never exist again.
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    We won the battle but the war is not over yet!
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  • Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: MPAA chairman Christopher Dodd should be fired

    “Candidly, those who count on quote ‘Hollywood’ for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who’s going to stand up for them when their job is at stake,” Dodd said to Fox News recently. “Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake.”

    Wales argued that these transparent statements make the MPAA out to be a corrupt, Congress-buying organization. He also challenged Dodd’s assertion that Wikipedia’s decision to blackout its site in protest of SOPA, an effort Wales said was a “massive success,” constituted an abuse of power.

    10 million people contacted Congress, Wales said. “That’s not an abuse of power, that’s democracy,” he said. “[Dodd] had best get used to it.”

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    Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: MPAA chairman Christopher Dodd should be fired | VentureBeat
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  • Profile picture of the author Spock1
    That's great news. A victory for we the people. Thanks to that Craig guy.
    The Internet is an amazing thing.
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