Monster computer, commercially available...

12 years ago

You're kidding, RIGHT?

1. MPU VERY next generation, due sometime around NOW!
2. Memory last generation! It should have been standard a while ago!
3. 2 Terabyte drive THIS generation! It WAS available earlier, but recently hit a new price point. It now costs as much as a 1TB drive cost only a couple months ago, which is about what a 1GB drive cost like 20 years ago.

As for what would require it? FORGETTING all the high end personal users, and mid end corporate users that required such power over a decade ago. FORGETTING that various OSs do what we want ONLY by cheating in various ways, etc.... I am STILL waiting for them to make windows RIGHT, or improve the SEEK speed on disk drives, so I can get the promise of everything else. HECK, REPLACE the disk drive ITSELF! Now THAT I would like to see! A 1TB SSD drive that costs about what the 2TB one does NOW! Currently, the CHEAP SSD drives cost like double that, IIRC.

You made a comment a person made to me about 2 decades ago, IIRC. I wanted to get a new drive that came out that had over 2.5GB. She laughed and said they didn't have the drive and "WHO WOULD NEED SUCH A LARGE DRIVE?"! SERIOUSLY! She said that! OK, show of hands! HOW many people here have a drive that is 2.5GB or less!? HECK, who has a drive that is 25GB or less? Even 250GB drives are now considered sub par in laptops! MY current drive is tiny, at only 640GB. I WANTED a 1TB, but this computer was too good a deal to pass up. BTW some of my software wouldn't run on 7, some files I lost, some I truncated a bit, and some I haven't loaded yet, and I only have 250GB left. So I used almost 380GB already.

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ScottyM2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

You're kidding, RIGHT?

1. MPU VERY next generation, due sometime around NOW!
2. Memory last generation! It should have been standard a while ago!
3. 2 Terabyte drive THIS generation! It WAS available earlier, but recently hit a new price point. It now costs as much as a 1TB drive cost only a couple months ago, which is about what a 1GB drive cost like 20 years ago.

As for what would require it? FORGETTING all the high end personal users, and mid end corporate users that required such power over a decade ago. FORGETTING that various OSs do what we want ONLY by cheating in various ways, etc.... I am STILL waiting for them to make windows RIGHT, or improve the SEEK speed on disk drives, so I can get the promise of everything else. HECK, REPLACE the disk drive ITSELF! Now THAT I would like to see! A 1TB SSD drive that costs about what the 2TB one does NOW! Currently, the CHEAP SSD drives cost like double that, IIRC.

You made a comment a person made to me about 2 decades ago, IIRC. I wanted to get a new drive that came out that had over 2.5GB. She laughed and said they didn't have the drive and "WHO WOULD NEED SUCH A LARGE DRIVE?"! SERIOUSLY! She said that! OK, show of hands! HOW many people here have a drive that is 2.5GB or less!? HECK, who has a drive that is 25GB or less? Even 250GB drives are now considered sub par in laptops! MY current drive is tiny, at only 640GB. I WANTED a 1TB, but this computer was too good a deal to pass up. BTW some of my software wouldn't run on 7, some files I lost, some I truncated a bit, and some I haven't loaded yet, and I only have 250GB left. So I used almost 380GB already.

Steve

Wow, sorry to have underwhelmed you to the point of having you whip out your soapbox. Over 11,000 posts? Sorry to have detracted you from your mission of... oh well, who cares?

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seasoned

12 years ago

BTW Companies have been moving to micros for servers for a while! The average processor is 4 core and over 2Ghz(It would be over 3Ghz, etc...., but intel has been slow to release). Some have as many as 4 MPUs(16 cores), They have between 30 and 50GBs of RAM, and several TBs of disk space. GRANTED, they ARE companies, but these servers serve one little function in one area, so it would be like saying Google runs on a PC-AT! Last I heard, it DID! Of course, there were a LOT of such computers hooked together.

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Steve - 20 years ago - 1992 - the company I was working at upgraded our computer which included a 30 MB hard drive (up from 10 MB). We were all amazed at THAT size and said who would ever fill up a 30 MB hard drive!

Of course, everything we were running was DOS, no graphics, no games, etc. Even Word Perfect, which we used at the time, was DOS and all functions were by keystroke - no mouse.

Now, my smallest drive is a 250 MB on my older laptop. Otherwise they are 500 MB and above.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate 12 years ago

Can I get that in a Laptop?

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
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  Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate
  
  Can I get that in a Laptop?
  
  The standard config in a laptop tends to be a bit behind the average desktop. If they get cheap enough, good enough, and/or there is enough need, they will appear!
  
  I haven't looked lately, but it could be months before they have good laptop 2TB drives. It could be months before they create a good CPU for laptops. The memory is probably no problem.
  
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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Steve - 20 years ago - 1992 - the company I was working at upgraded our computer which included a 30 MB hard drive (up from 10 MB). We were all amazed at THAT size and said who would ever fill up a 30 MB hard drive!

Of course, everything we were running was DOS, no graphics, no games, etc. Even Word Perfect, which we used at the time, was DOS and all functions were by keystroke - no mouse.

Now, my smallest drive is a 250 MB on my older laptop. Otherwise they are 500 MB and above.

You obviously worked at a SMALL company! If you are only doing accounting, and basic customer interactions and your product line or service line is limited, 30MB is probably PLENTY for an O/S like DOS. Start doing datamining, working with a huge customer database, email, videos, graphics, audio, it will quickly eat up the space. On the other hand, the basic app I am using at customers now is installed from about 7GB of COMPRESSED data!(In the late 90s, it was a bit over 1GB) 20GB of NEW data daily is considered SMALL!!!!!!

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Yeah Steve, small company. And this was simply the shop computer. We used it for an HVAC monitoring program, printing out work orders, word processing and spreadsheets. Nothing else. The good thing was I worked the night shift then and had a LOT of time to learn DOS, etc.

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synergyxtr

12 years ago

with all the blue ray videos coming out now. it won't take that long to fill up that 2 terabyte drive

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BlueIndigo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ScottyM2

3.8 Quad core, 16gb ram, 2 tb hard drive...

Normally, these type of specs are custom-built.

But now available -- at Walmart???????

Is there anything that exists yet that would require this much juice?
I guess it would be good to have if you were going to build your own Hadron Collider, but even then, 16gb ram might be a bit overkill.

Get this ZT Affinity Desktop PC with an Intel Core i7 processor and 23" monitor at Walmart.com. Save money. Live better.

ps. no, not an affiliate link...

I'm guessing, from Steve's arrogant tone, he's speaking from the perspective of someone who requires that much power. Probably someone who runs many programs at once and requires that tons of data be stored locally -- which is also yesterday's technology. He is the one that needs to step into today's technology.

As for Dell, yeah, you can customize all the way up to that level and way beyond. Gamers tend to rely on that sort of power... but there's no practical use for such power in regards to your typical Walmart shopper and "home" computing needs... operative words "home computing" and "practical".

Last time I shopped Walmart was for my grandson's computer about 5 years ago. 2gig dual core, 2 gig ram, 250gig hard drive was about average.
That was obsolete about 2 years later as the games smoked that system easily.

Hard to think that you can get this system from Walmart off the shelf. Who knows what to expect in another year or two?

Oh wait. Steve knows.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BlueIndigo

I'm guessing, from Steve's arrogant tone, he's speaking from the perspective of someone who requires that much power. Probably someone who runs many programs at once and requires that tons of data be stored locally -- which is also yesterday's technology. He is the one that needs to step into today's technology.

WOW, you are coming off as arrogant THERE! I WORK in the industry. Networks slow things down and can NOT be efficiently moved with your laptop! SURE, you can use EVDO and hook up. WATCH as your costs SKY ROCKET, and the company disconnects you for exceeding limits while you wait for ever for things to process. AND, if your stuff is private, there are plenty of opportunities for people to mess things up or even get everything.

YOU are the one that has been misled by a reemergence of a 1990s terminology that is a hyping of 1970s technology. It is NOT the latest! It is NOT the greatest! It exists ONLY to distribute things to simplify implementation in CURRENT setups, simplify PUBLIC access, and distribute processing loads.

As for Dell, yeah, you can customize all the way up to that level and way beyond. Gamers tend to rely on that sort of power... but there's no practical use for such power in regards to your typical Walmart shopper and "home" computing needs... operative words "home computing" and "practical".

Weren't YOU just talking about networking? All other things being equal, on your own system, ESPECIALLY a laptop, WHAT is more practical? Having it local where you can control EVERYTHING, or having it over the network where you really have less control than you think.

Last time I shopped Walmart was for my grandson's computer about 5 years ago. 2gig dual core, 2 gig ram, 250gig hard drive was about average.
That was obsolete about 2 years later as the games smoked that system easily.

Hard to think that you can get this system from Walmart off the shelf. Who knows what to expect in another year or two?

Oh wait. Steve knows.

You don't think walmart sells systems to gamers? 2ghz 2core right now is actually considered pretty old. Most are a bit OVER 2Ghz and have more than 2 cores. Of course, you don't say what kind of processor. And 2GB ram is ALSO now considered small, though I believe it is now the standard for ATOM computers. ATOM also tend to be a bit BELOW 2Ghz and the top of the line ones, last time I checked, only had 2 cores,IIRC. But THEY are meant to be VERY low power and for netbooks and UMPCs. 250GB was the OLD average. HEY, HERE is the first netbook that came up in amazon!

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BlueIndigo

I'm guessing, from Steve's arrogant tone, he's speaking from the perspective of someone who requires that much power. Probably someone who runs many programs at once and requires that tons of data be stored locally -- which is also yesterday's technology. He is the one that needs to step into today's technology.

As for Dell, yeah, you can customize all the way up to that level and way beyond. Gamers tend to rely on that sort of power... but there's no practical use for such power in regards to your typical Walmart shopper and "home" computing needs... operative words "home computing" and "practical".

Last time I shopped Walmart was for my grandson's computer about 5 years ago. 2gig dual core, 2 gig ram, 250gig hard drive was about average.
That was obsolete about 2 years later as the games smoked that system easily.

Hard to think that you can get this system from Walmart off the shelf. Who knows what to expect in another year or two?

Oh wait. Steve knows.

I didn't say EXACTLY when, but things at least WERE moving pretty fast. They are even loading cores into old processors to make them faster. If you get the switching logic and commands down, and they can support the speed, that has a lot of potential. OH WAIT!!!!! YOU want to run one thing at a time, and distribute things! YOU should get a lower end NETBOOK! The battery lasts a LONG time, and they are "green"!

Then again, if a lot of people start thinking like you are, they will redefine netbook AGAIN to mean what it used to, and there will be NO need to determine the size of the disk drive because there won't be ANY!

Steve

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mojojuju 12 years ago

Originally Posted by BlueIndigo

I'm guessing, from Steve's arrogant tone, he's speaking from the perspective of someone who requires that much power.

Steve's not arrogant. He just uses CAPS a lot. I call it ENTHUSIASM!
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JustinDupre

12 years ago

Great specs but not surprising at all. If it included a high end dedicated graphics card then it would be a killer gaming rig.

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