Is Mexico Dangerous?

Mexicans typically DON'T care! It IS dangerous! HOW?

1. The water has pathogens that are SO nasty, and relatively harmless to mexicans that have built up an immunity, that it is called montezuma's revenge.
2. They have a VERY nationalistic behaviour.
3. Because of #2, they accept ONLY their insurance! So you MUST get their insurance, before going there! The punishment can be SEVERE!
4. Because of #2, they will take the word of a mexican over you and if you are accused, you BETTER have insurance, etc.... Or else you can get in a NASTY jail!
5. Because of #2, they won't extradite.
6. Because of #2, they don't care about the US.

I have heard of mexicans "finding" cars in the US, and driving them into mexico! Basically, the mexicans want to get money, and US citizens are seen as non entities. The mexicans may never be prosecuted, and get away with it.

They have reported about this on the news, etc... and I may have seen nearly all networks talk about this, so it wasn't political.

BTW a lot of them are fighting to basically make the US mexico. They often see it as mexican territory.

Steve

is mexico dangerous ? emmmm....... well duh

I don't think so man,, but there's a lot of gangsters out there in Mexico..
drug lords and mafias and such... but even in America and other countries too.. I think the most dangerous country is Iraq or Afghanistan... LOL

Mexico is even dangerous for Mexicans. The drug cartels are some of the worst terrorists on earth - and they are spilling over the border into the US. 3 counties in Arizona have signs up warning Americans to keep off their own land because the illegals are camping there and are so dangerous. My sister had neighbors that went down for a vacation and have never been heard from again. In American towns near the border, shooting can be heard - like a war going on. Mexican cartels are also killing people coming from the south trying to get over our border. Until their gov gets them under control, nobody is safe there. It would help if the world would just quit their idiocy and legalize pot and take that market right away from the cartels........but noooooo - too many high toxin producing corporations, jail moguls, and gov would lose money - so the hell with the people and safety.

The US can be dangerous, but we don't actually condone violence, and even someone that can't speak one of the languages they are trying to adopt will be heard! ALSO, to the best of my knowledge, you DON'T need special insurance AND, if you failed to follow such laws, the punishment is NOWHERE near as harsh. You can communicate with the outside world, etc... OH, and the water is fairly clean, you generally WON'T get sick from it. ALSO, from what I have heard, the average area in the US is safer than that of mexico.

Steve

Are you kidding? Even the WATER will kill you!

They should just form a new state - call it Corrupción

I guess that's what you can expect when policemen have to buy their own bullets.

trivia: Did you know that Los Zetas (arguably, obviously) the biggest drug cartel in Mexico, used to be part of an elite military task force formed specifically to fight drug cartels?

This drug cartel, now led by Heriberto Lazcano, was founded by a group of over 30 deserters of the Mexican Army’s elite Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales (GAFE),[17] and includes corrupt former federal, state, and local police officers,[18] as well as ex-Kaibiles, the Special Forces of the Guatemalan military.[19] Los Zetas started as the military wing of the Gulf Cartel and as the private mercenary army of Osiel Cárdenas Guillén, their leader. However, after his arrest and extradition, the two entities became a combined trafficking force, with the Zetas taking a more active leadership role in drug trafficking.

Mexico is becoming the North American version of Afghanistan.

TL, I've heard there are safe places in the country - but you better fly in because that border area is no place to be driving around. Those gangsters kill just to kill. They don't even need a reason. What is sick is that the illegals that come through that aren't terrorists are people that are fleeing because they are scared to death of the violence.

We are all over our North border protecting ourselves from all those scary Canadian neighbors of ours might like to sightsee a little bit while our gov actually is trying to SUE Arizona for trying to protect its state when it has whole counties too dangerous for Americans to travel in. When citizens are being harmed and land is being confiscated by the terrorists, that is called an act of war and at this point, we need to treat it as such or the problem is just going to get as out of control over our border as it is on the other side of it.

What has become of "organized crime"?

There used to be a "code"...for the most part, innocent civilians were kept out of the mix...

I read the other day about a "killer camp" where they learn the "tools" of the trade - (literally, tools - like sledgehammers) those who don't cut the muster, are relegated to 'lookout', or used as practice dummies for the next round of recruits...

Imo, Mexico has tried and failed to combat this problem...we can no longer afford to treat the border as a buffer zone of illegal activity. It unfortunately, for the innocent civilians stuck in the middle, needs to go draconian and zero tolerance... And we need to cut off their 'avenue of revenue'. If there can be a better solution suggestion, now is the time to pull it out.

Hello,
there are many bargains for cruises to Mexico, I would not even go for free.

I want to go to Mexico. I was born there. But, things have gone in a very ugly direction over there. A new phenomenon in Mexico is sliding-scale kidnappings, demanding ransom based on what people can afford, making anybody a potential victim, rich and not-rich alike.

I guess it's kind of ironic, a guy who used to be on "The Sopranos" now pitches Tequila on TV...

Coincidence? :rolleyes:

OmiGod I have been to this thread 3 times and written a post and then I remember my new resolve to be kinder and gentler and I hit the back arrow and blow it all away.

...but the real me just won't shut up in my head.

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!

Send the Scuds. Problem solved.

Wow. Guess that all puts a damper on me running to Mexico in case I'd like to check out the Gerson Therapy. :-) Not to be "flippant" or anything, but I have always thought - if I ever get cancer, I seriously would think that would be my route instead of chemo and whatnot.

Wow Sal, just caught the link to Ken. How's he doing? :-( Well, and I'll probably dig to find out... Sorry "no taste" here on the commenting already... been a while.

It is a nice place. But of course you have to be careful always.

Mexico...is dangerous..

Mexico is dangerous if you are ####. Just as any country in the world. Read about your destination before going there.

Say what you want TL, but the states are states, so they DO have sovereignty within the country. And I guess you don't know state law, huh? Some things in certain states are SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED and in other states can get you THROWN IN JAIL! They often DON'T honor other states documents! The mosaic of laws is INCREDIBLY complex! I doubt there is ANY enterprise ON THE PLANET that knows them all!

Can you turn on red? Can you use certain communication devices? Can you act on certain info? Can you just watch a crime? Can you pick up people at the airport for a fee? Can you start a company and for ANY price pick up people at the airport? Can you joke with a kid about cutting them if they move during a haircut? Can you spit gum on the sidewalk? Can you use an out of state drivers license for more than a month? Can you use the gun permit from another state? Can you carry a weapon? Can you conceal a weapon? What country is the base law based on? Can you drive a 10yo, or newer, car that was only serviced/tested by you? Can you use a radar detector? What is the tax rate? HOW, and WHERE, do you file non federal taxes?

I could go on and on about different differences. Did you know that they may not use the same terminology for state governments or offices? They may have different words for certain things.

And states ARE responsible for a LOT of infrastructure. The federal government is REQUIRED to assist in it, and defray costs, and they often do. You don't REALLY think the federal government just plans the whole thing right through the state, right? It would be a DISASTER.

Steve

I think it totally depends on *where* you go in Mexico. The tourists spots tend to be well policed and have amenities that foreigners are accustom to, but like anywhere you need to be aware of your surroundings.

The violence in Mexico is so bad that more people died there than in Afghanistan last year. The border cities are blood baths where cartels openly gun down anyone that stands in their way from distributing their drugs to the US. They say 35,000 - 40,000 people have died to the drug violence since 2006. Cities like Cancun and Ensenadas are a bit safer but I'd still recommend avoiding visiting Mexico for the time being. Kidnapping has increased in Mexico in the last year as well.

Arizona's controversial law is no different than the law in CA which they refuse to enforce. That state DOES have the right to make it's own policy because they called to the Federal gov for help controlling the influx and the fed refused to do **** from shinola about it. The violence in the border region is not getting better, it is getting worse. The "prison" spoken of is not a gov prison, it is a corporation - just like every other jail is. That's why pot smokers are serving terms. Our gov supports corporations. If the US gov doesn't like that jail, they could have shut it down already. Arizona isn't proposing to hold people - they want them sent back and prevented from coming back. Only repeat offenders would be actually jailed.

There is not really a PC way to solve the problem. We have to get a clue and either just let mexican terrorists over the border to do any damned thing they want or we have to let the authorities do what is needed to be done to get rid of them and prevent them from continuing to cross over. While this might take a bit of "profiling", you will find a hella lot of legal immigrants who are all for it. They are also put in danger by these criminals and they worked hard to earn the right to be here. They care.

My landlord in Wenatchee, WA had a family of immigrants living next to him. I have no idea whether they were legal or illegal - but they threw trash over the fence into his yard continually. They had very wild parties with little kids there and sometimes the kids (we're talking 1 - 10 yr olds) looked and acted just as drunk and high as the adults. There was brawling, no sleep for neighbors despite a noise law, etc and so forth -- the police refused to lift a finger because they were Mexican -- that is just as much "profiling" as anything else. When PC says that you can be completely lawless if you are a particular race or nationality, that is a ludicrous juxtaposition of logic - and very dangerous to your own citizen's welfares. The purpose of government is to keep its people safe. If it's not going to do it, it's just a tyrannical, self-interest group that needs to be shut down.

Mexico can be bad, I just moved to the NE from Texas and the border area is really the worst place to go. If you are going to a tourist location lots of people, your good, just don't draw major attention to yourself. It's really the Drug Cartels that are dangerous, but hey, they seem to be killing everybody these days. Just really, STAY AWAY FROM JAUREZ... Bad mojo.

good luck!

BTW it should be said, since many would try to convince you otherwise, that there are PLENTY of ways to become a citizen of the US. I have heard of no less than SIX different ways to do it. I don't know HOW a lot of the "immigrant reform" statements go unchallenged. DO they require time OR commitment OR need OR skills OR money? OF COURSE! But if you only have time or commitment or need or skills, and are BROKE, you can do it. If you have only money you can probably do it.

Steve

A VICIOUS killer, that LOVES killing, is in a person's home. NO mention is made of this. 100 people enter! 100 people DEAD! Someone puts a sign outside, and the rate DROPS! WHY? FEWER PEOPLE GO IN!

Brewer spoke of such a sign. Even HEYSAL mentioned about such known areas.

Maybe someone kills the killer, or locks him up, and it drops. MAYBE he figures kidnapping is better, and kidnaps.

Do I think the feds and USA are lying? WELL, as I demonstrated, statistical data is POLLUTED! You are comparing apples and oranges! ALSO, some things don't get reported!

But what if they WERE lying? WHAT is more likely? The FEDS lying, which affects the statistics used by USA today? Or all the thousands and thousands of newsreports, claims, people jailed, the insurance industry, shows, arrests, anecdotes etc....

HEY LB! You think it is bunk? GREAT, YOU can retire there. You know, it IS pretty cheap there now! Drugs are cheaper and easier to get. Etc...

Steve

Just have to address the issue of so called "racism" with regard to this issue.

Calling people who are concerned about their safety, economy and community 'Racist' is a cheap backyard bully strategy. Shoot the messenger - then we can remain in denial about the facts -

Don't listen just talk about racism - this has NOTHING to do with racism except in so far as the vast majority of illegal immigration is from countries where 'those people' escaped from.

Disregard and don't listen - just pigeon hole people as militant, fascist etc because they resent the special treatment afforded to people thwarting our laws and not paying taxes to support the billions of dollars we spend on services for them to be here illegally.

It's ok that 'our people' -- disabled, veterans, children, poverty now have less of the little sliver of the pie - it's ok, they are white (and black and yellow and orange and brown). Just do not say anything about Mexicans or you are a racist pig.

Don't worry about all the violence from 'those people' since we have our own 'home grown' criminals - so that makes it ok - equal opportunity -

YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY MORE THAN YOU HAVE.

Laws have to be EQUAL for everyone - if Americans commit a crime they go to jail. It is a crime to be undocumented but we won't touch an illegal unless they commit some OTHER crime besides being here illegally.*

Now this is racism.


* (although I don't want them to go to jail, just to go home).

Yeah Mexico is ran by the drug cartel, it's so crazy that they drive around in cities with tanks(the cartels that it)...not joking, seen documentary on it. Eventually the US gonna have to clean up Mexico probably, i'm definitely not visiting there.

Sure, it's dangerous.

The majority of what is known in the Southwest as mojados, are law abiding , hardworking people. Most, old school and respectful.
Some of you would not believe what most of these people go thru to make a buck,
many, many try to get work in construction, and having worked and owned my own business in construction have dealt with many of these people.

I would say the 'good' side was in the 90 percentile...would not have and didn't have any problems inviting some for dinner and socializing.

I speak about this from first hand experience, not from someones biased agenda filled horsecrap.

Contrary to popular opinion, illegals and the criminal element are two different things.
The majority of Latino gangsters in the US are American citizens.
Despite what some would have you believe.
There is one clique that was formed to protect themselves from the American born gangsters, I remember the reasons very well.

They have been in the news a lot lately, but I won't use any names, because they just love their own press clippings.

They may be 50 or 60% illegals, but no one else is that I know of.
That clique, despite the crap on the news, most certainly doesn't 'run' things.
That is run by the American born hierarchy, and trust me there is one. It is getting very organized and powerful, at least in the Southwest.

And guess who you can blame for that?...Americans.
No market...no rackets. Simple as that.

If you use drugs, or buy drugs, you can count yourself in, as part of the reason.
You can also thank the puritanical point of view used as an excuse for someones per$onnel agendas.
Are you telling me that all these alphabet agencies can't get a handle on this?
Spare me the crap, something isn't right...there is money being made where you would least expect it (that thought is just an opinion)

Either the Gov controls it...or outlaw gangs do. Simple as that.

Drugs have been here in the past, in the present and I assure you in the future.
The are not going anywhere. Yet, the powers that be, apparently learned nothing from prohibition. What you are seeing as far as the criminal element, is just a giant version of the enriching of the old mafia and other groups thru liquor smuggling and manufacture. This dwarfs that.

Funny how very few worried about the crime that the drug dealing caused when it was in Colombia or just select neighborhoods in this countries biggest cities. Now, the policies and habits of people here, from the low streets to Wall street, are coming around, right next door.

I get a little tired of the Latino bashing and the illegals are all criminals crap.

If I was in the position that many of these people are in...I would, more than likely be doing the same thing, especially for a family.
And so would most of you.

No country can sustain uncontrolled immigration, legal or illegal...
But some people use this for what seems to me, barely hidden prejudice.

Being an illegal does not automatically make you a 'street' criminal, being a Latino has even less to do with it.

About time some people, face some hard truths.

While the illegal problem and the crime problem are two separate things, it won't be long before they merge. That means either taking the drugs out of the equation or the illegals.
It would be easier to legalize the drugs and control them.

Actually, being undocumented is illegal - sure it is not violent crime - but it is fraud, tax evasion and a lot of other things.

I don't think street dealers of any race in either country can compare to the cartels who murder police officers, judges and other innocent people.

I think my main point here is that because the border is wide open the 'innocent' illegal immigrant looking for a job probably has more of a challenge getting here than a sophisticated criminal.

That is what scares me about illegal immigration - not the people looking for work so much as the fact that ALONG WITH THEM the violent criminals are able to come here with no problem -

I really don't understand why there are no jobs in Mexico - they are not a poor country but oil rich with lots of other industry - my new Dell computer for instance was assembled in Mexico and more and more things you buy here are from Mexico. This is a good sign at least for them. More jobs we don't have but I guess people feel that is 'another story'. (it really isn't, but then what do we matter?)

What we clearly need is immigration reform - I mean legal - to make it easier for workers to come here legally from Mexico. However again, do we really have jobs that American's don't need?

After all can we go to Mexico to find a job? I doubt it.

It looks like they've found someone involved in the beating of the Canadian woman in Mexico. No motive has been mentioned. Mexican man arrested in beating of Canadian woman - Canada - CBC News

Just to balance things out, there have been shootings just one or two blocks from my place in *Canada* and I have witnessed ugly fights on the street as well. One warrior even said she wouldn't want to visit Vancouver because it was so violent.

I'll even admit to often having coffee at a cafe and chatting with a Canadian-born HA guy of 100% European background (which I'm not, lol) about screenwriting, plays, and the film business (since that is one of the things he does). Cops might imagine otherwise, for all I know. The HA have been known to shoot people sometimes, though there are some who swear that they are just a club that raises money for charity. But, I digress.

The violence here is mostly drug-related as well. I don't even know why people like taking drugs. Deliberately ingesting something to cause mental confusion and feelings of nausea? No thank you. That said, please legalize all of that sh*t to radically reduce the criminal problem.