Truth About The Economic Stimulis Package...

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Here is a short video about the Truth About The Economic Stimulus Package

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  • Profile picture of the author affenpinscher
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      China, Japan (has for decades), and most of the wealthiest middle eastern royalty as well...

      "Own" our national debt, and choking down more every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Francis Ochoco
    Interesting... I thought the money was coming (created) from the Federal Reserve.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by AuctionExecutive View Post

      Interesting... I thought the money was coming (created) from the Federal Reserve.
      If you mean "printed" money yes.

      There is also as much printed US currency in China (stockpiled) now as there is in the US itself. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Francis Ochoco
        Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

        If you mean "printed" money yes.

        There is also as much printed US currency in China (stockpiled) now as there is in the US itself. :rolleyes:
        No, I meant "created out of thin air" because that's what the federal reserve does. This private bank (which isn't even part of the government) print money with nothing (such as gold) backing it, resulting in devaluing the dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    Here's another great video about putting all of this "money" into our system:

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    • Profile picture of the author Reg
      if you haven't already seen Fred Thompson's "tongue in cheek" commentary on the economy I encourage you to do so. If it wasn't so true it would be real funny. In Thompson's words " Trying to fix problems caused by excess consumption with more spending is like telling a fat guy that the way to lose weight is to eat more donuts."

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      • Profile picture of the author twocolor
        Are the folks opposing this free for all being petty? Nope...

        The placebo effect is wearing off. Reality is sinking in...

        And when everyone is supposed to be making sacrifices...Congress gets a petty cash increase!

        Don't fret..after all the sacrifice part only applies to "the people"...not the folks keeping shop in Washington.

        Aaah!....America ...the land of plenty for some!

        I am a proud American...I love my country. But...I just don't get this....

        There is reason for great concern...
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    • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
      This went around during Bush's bailout and I think it applies admirably to the stimulus.


      Dear American:

      I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

      I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

      I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

      This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

      Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

      Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
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  • Profile picture of the author Darth Executor
    It's because people keep voting in filthy congressmen who feed their districts full of pork and as a result can do as they please. Murtha called his constituents racist and slandered US marines (who were later absolved of all charges) and the idiots in Pennsylvania voted for him anyway because he keeps shoveling federal cash down their throat. If people stopped voting for these filthy *******s things would change but unfortunately everybody complains about everybody else's congressman but happily props up their own.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebrokenbox
    I hate the fact that the "children have to repay China" later because I am part of the "children." I don't want to have to grow up and pay back money that I had no say in where it went to the Chinese. I mean, I'm a taxpaying citizen of the US but I get no choice in how my money is spent? That's garbage. Sure, I can send angry letters to my representatives, but what will that accomplish? These stimulus packages do one thing, spend money we don't have and put it on the shoulders of people like me that will have to pay for it later. We need to wake up and realize that spending money on everything won't solve our problems, rather creating programs to create jobs will be the real stimulation we need. Just look back at the Great depression, what got us out of it? Besides World War II, it was largely the programs that we created to help people get jobs. That's been far too overlooked while we hand out money left and right to every bank and car company that needs a little cash. Of course, I kind of expected that when Obama won it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADAMw3
    I am from Pennsylvania, but unfortunately, the people here are not what you call intelligent!

    I am a Libertarian, and strictly hate the two party system (Repubs are too much of the bible thumpers now adays and democrats... well are democrats).

    Anyhow, my point to this discussion is... Having a democrat fix the economy is like having a janitor conduct an open heart surgery.

    Glenn Beck gets annoying, but that video is quite informational.
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    • Profile picture of the author matthewd
      Originally Posted by Adam Bshero View Post

      I am from Pennsylvania, but unfortunately, the people here are not what you call intelligent!

      I am a Libertarian, and strictly hate the two party system (Repubs are too much of the bible thumpers now adays and democrats... well are democrats).

      Anyhow, my point to this discussion is... Having a democrat fix the economy is like having a janitor conduct an open heart surgery.

      Glenn Beck gets annoying, but that video is quite informational.
      It's nice to meet another Libertarian!

      Yeah, I can only take small doses of Glenn Beck but I really like the video.
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      • Profile picture of the author nick1123
        Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

        It's nice to meet another Libertarian!

        Yeah, I can only take small doses of Glenn Beck but I really like the video.
        I am libertarian too. The glenn beck video was great, but scary.

        The democrats want to help the poor but the increase in the money supply and the subsequent inflation hurts the poor more than any other demographic.

        People with real assets (i.e. real estate, gems, and to some degree stocks) are mostly protected from inflation and will usually weather the storm. The poor usually have no real assets and are hurt most.

        Ironic, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    There is a fundamental flaw in the whole bailout dung heap. The wealth of this nation is created by debt, not assets. The fed pours money into the banking system and banks lend the money for something like home loans. But we have a deficit-reserve banking system. This means that banks only have to keep 10% of the assets held by them and the other 90% is lent out again. This process occurs over and over and over again. This is how the money supply grows.

    Now the government is going to pump even more into the banking system. Normally that might work. The money would multiply and the economy would grow.

    Enter the IRS. The main task of the IRS is not to collect (extort) money from citizens to pay the bills for the government. The government prints money as it needs it. The goal of the IRS is to simply remove cash from the money supply to prevent inflation. Without the IRS staling money from you there would be runaway inflation.

    But now the government is about to do two things that simply cannot happen simultaneously: print more money and pump it into the economy, and--reduce taxes to help people out. These two things cannot happen together. If they pump money into the economy and cut taxes, there will be inflation the likes this country has never seen. Check out Venezuela, Argentina, etc. when they did this and 1000% hyperinflation per month ensued. The good news is that within a year we may all be millionaires. Bad news is that a loaf of bread will cost two million dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Francis Ochoco
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      Enter the IRS. The main task of the IRS is not to collect (extort) money from citizens to pay the bills for the government. The government prints money as it needs it. The goal of the IRS is to simply remove cash from the money supply to prevent inflation. Without the IRS staling money from you there would be runaway inflation.
      I've also heard that most of the taxes americans pay go towards paying off the interest on the money that the Federal Reserve loans out to the government.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by AuctionExecutive View Post

        I've also heard that most of the taxes americans pay go towards paying off the interest on the money that the Federal Reserve loans out to the government.
        That is correct. Our income tax was instituted when the FED was installed illegally on top of us to pay them - we the people turned into we the collateral.

        Everything that WE get is from other taxes such as those on Booze, cigarettes, gas, etc. That's why they are foaming at the mouth to tax EVERYTHING.

        And the Bailout completely turned us into a Corporate state (i.e. fascist state). Our gov pays corporations with money they are taking from us illegally and against our will.

        The new grab is called a "stimulus" package, yet it takes more money from our needs such as medical and education. It is just more theft labeled to make unthinking people swallow it without too many questions.

        The situation is dire - with states beginning to declare sovereignty now - 20 of them on the list of acted or in process of acting, and no telling how many more will jump on board to save our country from the fascist takeover. It's not just the bailout and another phoney stimulus this time though - it's because our Admin is now trying to hand our rights regarding how we will parent our children to the UN - the ultimate treason (giving our governance of our rights to a third party). Watch what your own state is doing about this.

        The economic crisis was carefully constructed and we are now watching 20 state leaders trying to Save us and "REGAIN" the constitution - not "save" the constitution but to "take it back". Yep - it went that far while the idiots who call themselves "citizens" slept.
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