30,000 scientists sue Al Gore for fraud.

[Phnx]

Well, first off- I'm European, so what you're referring to as 'leftist', I think of as 'moderately conservative', to 'somewhat reactionary'.

Ooh you said that with such a sneer in your tone. "I am ze European and yerh are just a redneck republican ignoramous". I can feel your lip curling.Tsk tsk. Took me a minute to figure why you were boring me with all the "republican" garbage. You think I'm an American Right winger! Hear that Sarge? *chortles*

Swivel your eyes to the left...what does it say there mmmm? Contrary to popular belief, England is not yet a State of the US of A. Made a bit of a tit of yourself there, matey.

But seriously - the disingenousness of trying to frame this as a debate over the credibility of the spokesmodel as opposed to the IPCC is extremely revealing in as much as it shows that you either know you can't debate on the facts since the facts prove your standpoint wrong, or you attack what you perceive as the messenger because you lack the educational background to understand the science and therefore are forced to view everything in a politcal spin framework, where facts are subject to debate and change according to your perspective

LOL. You said to bigjock:"Or are you merely repeating a talking point from Big Oil's publicist now?". Ad hominem, attacking the messenger. *wags finger*. I would not have responded to your post but for that. I then show you that actually, Big Al's motives are also deeply suspect (not merely poor research from a standup guy with good intentions) so you guys are in no position to keep casting aspersions. I have to be honest, I kinda knew how you'd react. Ad hominems at me this time, getting angry and questioning my education and political persuasion. Miss the irony? I'll refrain from calling you a hypocrite.

I emphasized the "Left" credentials of the articles purely so you couldn't trot out the "Big Oil" or "right wing corporate" dismissal. There are some excellent, thought provoking articles out there from the "Right" (not as many as from the Left, but they are there) however I have enough experience at this to know they'll be dismissed out of hand. Some dude has just got to have had a cup of coffee with someone who once worked for Enron and the baby is thrown out with the bath water.

But even if Gore and the IPCC are scamming (they shared the Nobel for a reason, you cannot separate the two) what about "the science"? After all, that's supposedly what it's all about.

The Michael Crichton framework, if you will.Who doesn't understand the actual science, but pretends that he does.

First off you miss the point entirely. Michael Critchon is perfectly entitled to comment on this matter as are the scientists of The Oregon Petition. You see, it doesn't matter whether he understands the science in question, all he needs to understand is The Scientific Method. He knows and understands that, as he has experience of it. If the scientific method is not adhered to (which has been demonstrated time and again), then you have BAD SCIENCE. If you have bad science, ya got NOTHING. Certainly not enough to say the debate is over and try to silence critics. But of course Joe Public doesn't "get that" and is ripe for political manipulation. It is Tabloid Science.

Ain't just the nuke industry they've got back on track thanks to AGW hysteria, (and the Head of the IPCC Rajendra Pachauri has himself sat on the board of an Oil Company. - not found which one yet, but I will - he's been busy trying to get the Indian Government to sign nuclear plant contracts), they are in control of the biofuels juggernaut "the biggest colonial land grab ever". The poverty, deaths, the environmental destruction.....they couldn't have done it without you guys. Way to go!

The Clean Energy Scam - TIME

Most scientists are idiots. They will never invent or discover anything, they merely play around with the discoveries of others. When a new theory comes along they will fight tooth and nail to prevent it's acceptance, probably because it makes them face their own ignorance. Eventually they are forced to change their minds - or die off and let the younger generation through - but they act as if they never doubted in the first place. Scientists are no different from Joe Public in that they can be emotionally manipulated. They also work on assumptions just like the rest of us.

Doctors hand out poison pills because their "authorities" like the FDA, BMA or whatever, instruct them to. They assume - usually erroneously - that all those authorities are trustworthy and "the scientific method" has been adhered to. Other scientific fields are no different.

"One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid." ~ James Watson, Nobel Winner and co-discoverer of DNA

An eminent Israeli scientist in atmopspheric physics taught his students that AGW was the cause of the climate problems for years. One day he actually looked at the research and was all "oops". He no longer teaches it, but it is purely because he has clout that he hasn't lost his tenure. You want grants to do your research, you better be pushing the AGW line.

But all right - since you obviously don't understand how the scientific process works - the IPCC is not a petition, and it's only signed by the people who is actually on the committee. Unlike the Oregon Hoax which gives this thread its title, the IPCC report only presents an overview of the field as it stands right now, it's not intended to be the final answer to everything.

The IPCC has nothing to do with the scientific 'process' and of course it's not a petition. But the 'scientists' must put their names to the conclusions the Panel comes up with. Only 50+ did this time around. You will always here from the same handful of people - just as James Hansen is the 'spokeman' for Nasa. Before you swallow more Kool Aid, would you like to hear from REAL climate scientists? Some who were on the ORIGINAL panel of scientists who first sounded the alarm. Some who actually provided the evidence for the first IPCC report. Wanna know why they recanted?

"Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.......

In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank......

Dr. Allegre's skepticism is noteworthy in several respects. For one, he is an exalted member of France's political establishment, a friend of former Socialist president Lionel Jospin, and, from 1997 to 2000, his minister of education, research and technology, charged with improving the quality of government research through closer co-operation with France's educational institutions. For another, Dr. Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution. His break with scientific dogma over global warming came at a personal cost: Colleagues in both the governmental and environmental spheres were aghast that he could publicly question the science behind climate change.

But Dr. Allegre had allegiances to more than his socialist and environmental colleagues. He is, above all, a scientist of the first order, the architect of isotope geodynamics, which showed that the atmosphere was primarily formed early in the history of the Earth, and the geochemical modeller of the early solar system. Because of his path-breaking cosmochemical research, NASA asked Dr. Allegre to participate in the Apollo lunar program, where he helped determine the age of the Moon. Matching his scientific accomplishments in the cosmos are his accomplishments at home: Dr. Allegre is perhaps best known for his research on the structural and geochemical evolution of the Earth's crust and the creation of its mountains, explaining both the title of his article in l' Express and his revulsion at the nihilistic nature of the climate research debate.

Full article
Allegre's second thoughts

"You're a respected scientist, one of the best in your field. So respected, in fact, that when the United Nations decided to study the relationship between hurricanes and global warming for the largest scientific endeavour in its history -- its International Panel on Climate Change -- it called upon you and your expertise.

You are Christopher Landsea of the Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory. You were a contributing author for the UN's second International Panel on Climate Change in 1995, writing the sections on observed changes in tropical cyclones around the world. Then the IPCC called on you as a contributing author once more, for its "Third Assessment Report" in 2001. And you were invited to participate yet again, when the IPCC called on you to be an author in the "Fourth Assessment Report." This report would specifically focus on Atlantic hurricanes, your specialty, and be published by the IPCC in 2007.

Then something went horribly wrong. Within days of this last invitation, in October, 2004, you discovered that the IPCC's Kevin Trenberth -- the very person who had invited you -- was participating in a press conference. The title of the press conference perplexed you: "Experts to warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense hurricane activity." This was some kind of mistake, you were certain. You had not done any work that substantiated this claim. Nobody had.

As perplexing, none of the participants in that press conference were known for their hurricane expertise. In fact, to your knowledge, none had performed any research at all on hurricane variability, the subject of the press conference. Neither were they reporting on any new work in the field. All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability, you knew, showed no reliable upward trend in the frequency or intensity of hurricanes. Not in the Atlantic basin. Not in any other basin.

To add to the utter incomprehensibility of the press conference, the IPCC itself, in both 1995 and 2001, had found no global warming signal in the hurricane record. And until your new work would come out, in 2007, the IPCC would not have a new analysis on which to base a change of findings.

To stop the press conference, or at least stop any misunderstandings that might come out of it, you contacted Dr. Trenberth prior to the media event. You prepared a synopsis for him that brought him up to date on the state of knowledge about hurricane formation. To your amazement, he simply dismissed your concerns. The press conference proceeded........"

The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science

The full "Deniers" series:
Climate change: The Deniers

There is way more than these of course, if you can be bothered to look for them them. Our own David Bellamy, a prominent botanist is also now a 'denier' once he'd actually checked all the research (again, like most he hadn't personally looked at it originally, he'd just assumed it was scientifically legit). He was forced to resign as head of an environmental group he'd led for 20+ years. Oh he's still doing environmental work, but it's much harder now he hasn't got the financial resources he had previously backing him.

....btw I'm not at all surprised some of the Oregan Petitioners got scared and tried to back out. They don't wanna watch their careers going down the toilet.

Most of us "deniers" have been on "your side" of the fence, and believed the spin. At first.

Climate change and anthropogenic forcing of the system by dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is not going away just because you refuse to believe in it.

And your linking of the two doesn't make it so, no matter how much you wish to believe it.

BTW Wikepedia? Don't make me laugh, that has never been a safe source for "authority" infomation. See how easily vested interests like BigPharma change thing. Thanks to WikiScanner they are now being caught at it.
BrandweekNRX: Abbott caught altering entries to Wikipedia

CIA and Major Corporations Altering Articles on Wikipedia - The Largest Minority

Lawrence Soloman tried to balance up some articles after speaking to the climate 'recanters'. Wiki was having none of it. Richard Vigilante Books

I realise none of this will make a blind bit of difference to you - just as you can shove as much evidence at people that sustainability is another manipulative lie, and depopulation is yet another means to globalist control (nobody ever suggests sharing resources that are allegedly scarce or returning to a more pastoral agricultural model) but whatever.

The gig will be up soon enough if the sunspots remain absent. Be hard to keep claiming warming when the temperatures plunge. Still, they have other tricks up their sleeve - water scarcity and food shortages will be their next ones. Genetically modified seeds will be offered to "save us" and we'll be begging for it. Sheesh.

[Melkor]

Oh, certainly - biofuels is a Very Bad Idea, right up there with NINJA mortgages and deregulation of financial markets that let certain banks and lending institutions print imaginary money in a manner reminischent of the "trusts" and "trusts of trusts" of 1920-29. We'd need about 8 Earths to have enough arable land to grow enough fuel to replace just current energy needs, never mind whats' going to be neccesary when China and India gets any kind of standard of living. So if biofuels are the real alternative that the energy companies are going to be using, there's going to be mass starvation before they're done. I suspect it's merely another potential future vehicle for control though - when you wind up spending most of your disposable income on food and the rest to pay interest on your credit cards you can't afford to rock the boat by ojecting too loudly when another one of your human rights gets quietly flushed down the crapper; what if the Company notice and fire you?

I saw that already, you 'orrible litte oik, I was just pointin' out yeronner's mistake in callin' me a sep. And it's also why I sent you to The Economist, that noted Labour bastion and market regulation proponent.

I mistrust the globalists and the capital forces - a lot more than you do, apparently. The oil industry and the reality-distirtion field that emanates from the oil industry's money is one of the driving influences behind globalization, so when you're repeating their talking points verbatim you're naturally going to get lumped in with them in my personal reailty filter. If you want to appear independent of the policy goals of energy companies in general you'd do well to not cut and paste from their press releases and use their PR flaks as sources.

Contrary to popular perception of how science works, it usually also does not progress by paradigm revolution, but by gradual refinement of existing theories up until the point where existing theories does not explain or even predict obervations; so the 'genius inventor' model is singularily unhelpful from any point of view. This is why we have theorists and experimentalists - theorists make elaborate guesses about how certain observations might be connected and attempt to predict what else might be true based on those connections. Experimentalists go out and blow stuff up(CERN) or otherwise attempt to construct experiments to test what the theorists have thoiught up.

Theorists need to be brilliant and imaginative in many ways, experimentalists who test their ideas need to be plodding and methodical. It takes both kinds.

And you are seriously using the freakin' right wing National Post as a source? Interesting article series though, from a real conservative in the true sense- one interested in conserving the best of what already exists, so yeah, thanks - I haven't read everything from Lawrence Solomon yet, but I fully intend to, he's a good writer.

(Uh, dude? Don't know if you noticed that link in my .sig file, but there's a reason I've begun to learn how to grow my own food without the help of chemical fertilizers purchased from Yara and seeds from Monsanto, no matter how much them guys would like to make it a thoughtcrime to even think of doing without their 'blessings', they're as bad as my personal bugbear in the oil industry. The PLR content is just a starting point.)

[ThomM]

Contrary to popular belief, England is not yet a State of the US of A.

Ah yes it is, we where trying to sell you to Canada though before you found out (Damn it I want my old smileys back)

[Phnx]

Originally Posted by Melkor

I mistrust the globalists and the capital forces - a lot more than you do, apparently.

I would seriously doubt it. You wanna read a few more of my posts on here.

The oil industry and the reality-distirtion field that emanates from the oil industry's money is one of the driving influences behind globalization, so when you're repeating their talking points verbatim you're naturally going to get lumped in with them in my personal reailty filter. If you want to appear independent of the policy goals of energy companies in general you'd do well to not cut and paste from their press releases and use their PR flaks as sources.

I'd say you need to clean out your 'reality filter' a little bit. I don't cut and paste 'their' talking points. I actually type most of my interminably long posts myself. They get hideously long when I am forced to paste comments to back a premise. I used to just leave links until I realised that people don't often click them.

The oil companies are nothing. Pfft. Lackeys in a larger scheme. To believe they are the ones calling the shots is to believe Dubya is controlling American foreign policy. Or anything else for that matter. Don't think so.

You may be interested in this article which has Russians claiming oil and gas are not fossil fuels and that's the reason why they have suddenly become one of the worlds top producers. War and "Peak Oil"

That's a well regarded Canadian site by the way, with some excellent articles. Leans to the Left but it's more interested in the globalists games than narrow partisan politics. Peak Oil is just another scam. Drives the price up if people think there's scarcity. If there is war (probable if they follow their agenda to a tee) then it could hit $500 a barrel. They must be drooling at the thought. If it starts dropping to $50 a barrel head for the hills as they'll be flooding the market with cheap oil to crash the world economies.

And you are seriously using the freakin' right wing National Post as a source? Interesting article series though, from a real conservative in the true sense- one interested in conserving the best of what already exists, so yeah, thanks - I haven't read everything from Lawrence Solomon yet, but I fully intend to, he's a good writer.

There it is. *sighs* See how the mind jumps to irrelevances to avoid thinking about points outside of the 'comfort zone'.

National Post? The National Post are irrelevant. They were merely running the articles in full - the only other place would have been to read them in the published book. At least you did read them, most go "ooh National Post obviously a dodgy source so I won't bother reading". Now do you see the rationale for emphasizing that the Gore articles came from a heavyweight hardcore Left source? The hope is that people will then read it, whereas they wouldn't if they thought it was on a "rightwing" blog.

Works the other way too though, many rightwingers will refuse to read something if it's on a left leaning site "oh they're all lefties can't trust anything they say". It's very tiresome because what is going on at the moment goes way beyond politics. Many on the 'Left' are wolves in sheeps clothing: Ted Turner, George Soros et al. Even Chomsky himself is suspect. He's been pimping the One World Government for a long time, but it wasn't until his complete denial of any possibility that 9/11 was an inside job that some respected intellectuals started to see through him. He started backtracking then.

Many environmental movements like the WWF were set up by Nazi - sometimes literally former members of the Waffen SS - or Nazi sympathisers like Prince Phillip - but Malthusian eugenicists to a man. And of course Globalists. The whole 'environmental catastrophes' thing had been planned for long before they actually became an issue. They even have the Wildlands Project (headed by globalist Mikhail Gorbachev) ready to carve up America. Nobody asks what the hell the UN is doing planning to carve up the US in the first place.

It is their globalist system which is causing the bulk of the destruction, but rather than place the blame where it belongs we have been carefully conditioned over the last 30+ years to blame ourselves. There are too many of us, most of us have to go, the earth can't sustain us we are poisoning the planet (no, the system is). No less a towering figure than R. Buckminster Fuller proved beyond doubt the Malthusian model of sustainability was a fallacy. The National Academy Of Sciences agreed with his math. Yet it keeps being ignored. Nobody has any intention of changing the system, they are gonna change us.

Gore, Big Oil, The Multinationals, Environmental Movement are all working to the same Agenda. Of course the foot soldiers doing their dirty work have no idea - just like doctors haven't a clue they are killing hundreds of thousands of their patients every year via "iatragenic" illness. Means 'doctor induced' and as most is from drug side effects you'd think they'd get a clue.

It isn't even "capitalism" causing it, it's an Agenda to suck up the wealth of the world for the "few" (surely won't be us) and force us back into a feudal system. They masquerade as capitalists but they are surely not.

They are gonna squeeze us till the pips hurt and we'll help them because our attention is always 'misdirected' to place the blame elsewhere.

Carbon Credits is the slickest they've come up with. Gore and his cronies are making millions as they are buying them from the company they set up. Buying them from themselves. There is an excellently researched article on this, but it's from a journalist on the 'right' so I doubt you'll be interested.

(Uh, dude? Don't know if you noticed that link in my .sig file, but there's a reason I've begun to learn how to grow my own food without the help of chemical fertilizers purchased from Yara and seeds from Monsanto, no matter how much them guys would like to make it a thoughtcrime to even think of doing without their 'blessings', they're as bad as my personal bugbear in the oil industry. The PLR content is just a starting point.)

You need to start buying seeds up as fast as you can because Monsanto are buying up the worlds seed suppliers. And the water rights.

I no longer share the optimism of some on here. I've seen the 'Belly Of The Beast' recently and there is an evil so monstrous within our society that there is little hope of removing it. You could have Mother Theresa in the White House and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. And no, the epicentre of this isn't actually in the US though it has strong roots there.

I badly want to post that stuff, but I don't want to remove hope ya know? I don't sleep easy anymore. I just have to work out how to deal with it and still function.

"What you have to understand, John, is that sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at stake for other people or institutions, that you cannot do anything about them, no matter how evil or wrong they are and no matter how dedicated or sincere you are or how much evidence you have. This is simply one of the hard facts of life you have to face."
- Former CIA director and Cercle member William Colby giving advice to his friend Senator John DeCamp,

Before the other thread went bellyup I posted a vid on how 'misdirection' is used to distort our perceptions, but we ended up on here. Here it is again. Don't be waiting for a 'gotcha' or you'll miss the lesson. Follow the instructions exactly and you should 'get it'. Now apply that understanding to everything 'authority' tells you, even those you think are on your (or the planets) side. Including AGW.

YouTube - Mind Control Series (Clip 5,...

[Phnx]

Originally Posted by ThomM

Ah yes it is, we where trying to sell you to Canada though before you found out (Damn it I want my old smileys back)

Canada's not so bad. They have Mounties! And they are very polite.

[HeySal]

So while everyone is debating on C02, may I remind you all that WATER - evaporated WATER is the number one greenhouse gas? Many areas that are used for examples of warming actually have mantle plumes sitting under them, LOL. Sure it's warming in some areas. Temperatures hot enough to melt metals will do that. And as far as rain - it's because we are in a La Nina cycle right now. It's going to rain during a La Nina. I have also heard people freaking out over no ice at the poles when we got more ice than in the last 15 years and had one hell of a cold winter...enough to destroy crops in many countries. Ice sheets collapsing...um..have you checked out the seismic activity in the north lately? Alaska is on a continual rumble at the time.

The truth is there are so many factors involved in climate that to narrow it down to just one is ludicruous. The sun is inactive right now and it's colder overall than it has been in years - the cooling and warming cycles are going to continue. Picking out C02 and sweating about it is like worrying about a speck of dust in a sand storm.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by HeySal

The sun is inactive right now and it's colder overall than it has been in years

Good Post Sal,

I wanted to put the

LINK

here again so no one would
miss it. We as a world are getting cooler, not warmer.


/Steve

[Jelasco]

Originally Posted by batchos

Well, global warming is also about the rights of animals.

The cruelty that animals have to go through to let you have their flesh as your meal.

What about the cruelty that animals impose on each other?

When a lion takes down a gazelle, is that somehow less cruel than a slaughterhouse killing a cow for meat?

[HeySal]

Just a few points to throw out:

The number one greenhouse gas on earth is.....WATER...evaporated water. Have you ever been in a very hot place that is also very humid? That is how WATER effects climate.

The South Pole is melting -- and was melting during record cold last winter. It is believed that the pole is now sitting on an active mantle plume.....and if that is correct, not only is the pole going to melt, there might be volcanic action there before too long.

What is going on at the N Pole? The magnetic N. Pole is shifting for one thing - and very rapidly (moving to Siberia). There also rapid true polar wander going on (that is geographical pole shifting). No need to worry about a geographical pole reversal at this time but land shifting, even slight is going to mess things up a bit at the pole. We had more ice there last winter than in the last 15 years, so something else is going on besides warming........which just might be.......
Mantle instability.

The mantle is going through some changes right now. Scientists are beginning to wonder if the plume under Yellowstone has been cut off from the mantle heat source. That doesn't mean it's not still dangerous - but it isn't as hot as would be expected at this stage of that game. Whether it cools enough to become too solid to spew is yet to be seen, but if it has, in fact been cut off from the heat source, the possibilities of a major blow in that area lessen as the area cools. Now that is a good thing.

The mantle is very possibly changing it's rotational pattern right now...and that could mean some new warm areas, and some new cooler areas. If the rotation is changing directions, I will have scads new material for my newsletters very soon.

There is some major subterranian volcanic activity going on at this time and that will warm oceans and have many effects on marine life, water currents etc -- and has nothing to do with CO2. It has to do with the fact that volcanic lava is some pretty hot crap. Okay?

Now if you are worried about your planet instead of advocating socking our money into a freaking C02 tax -- go to the ocean beaches closest to you and clean up any trash you find there. That action alone will do more for the environment than if you drain your whole wallet for years into the C02 tax.

[talewins]

The real cause of what little global warming we do have is our own wealth. Every time we turn on an air conditioner we are throwing hot air out. Refrigerators, freezers, walkins air conditioners -- Every time we cool one cubic foot by one degree we are warming 1.2 cubic feet by 1 degree. The more people that can afford these conveniences the more heat is thrown outside. People using old fireplaces can be letting 90% of their heat go up the chimney.
When winter comes we burn fuel and electricity to stay warm and this too heats up the environment.
I've been in homes with 17 rooms that had central heat and air running constantly for a family of three. It sure feels good and cold in homes like this, down to 65 in summer and up to 80 in the winter.

[Indiana]

Hya Talewins ..How are you doing -O)

Here a bullet from my revolver LOL...Indy


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change - this used to be called Global warming with all the scaremongering.

The new name now covers the fraudsters whether the climate gets warmer or

colder. As it happens the climate is cooling, so who is pocketing the carbon

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1 September 2008

"The sudden change of focus from global warming to global cooling by leading

environment group WWF demonstrates the lack of substance to the argument

that manmade carbon emissions are responsible for global warming," said

Senator Boswell today.

"The WWF now claims that recent freezing temperatures in Sydney are proof of

the urgent need to cut carbon pollution. Does that mean that global warming

causes global cooling? Does that mean that we should be increasing emissions

in order to cool the earth or increasing them to warm it back up?"

"I thought we were concerned with the perils of global warming - that we had

to act immediately to stop temperatures and water levels rising and

inflicting untold disasters. Now the WWF wants us to believe that manmade

carbon emissions are responsible for colder temperatures."

Senator Boswell said that the Rudd government's carbon pollution reduction

scheme was built on the assumption of man-made global warming.

"Which is it - are temperatures going up or down?"

"Cooling temperatures are what I would call a very inconvenient truth for

the green movement. This is a twisting charade and no mistake."

Senator Boswell said that it was imperative that scientists got it right

because so many of Australia's competitive industries were being asked to

take on higher costs under the government's carbon reduction scheme.

"If the Rudd government's Emission Trading Scheme is not drastically

altered, then it is Australia who will end up pleading with the East

Timorese to take us as guest workers - and not the other way round."

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August 19, 2008

University of Mexico expert says lack of solar activity to cause significant

cooling that will last over half a century

Paul Joseph Watson

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008

As evidence builds of the earth entering a dramatic cooling trend, another

scientist has gone public with his conviction that we are about to enter a

new ice age, rendering warnings about global warming fraudulent and

irrelevant.

Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera of the Institute of Geophysics at the

University of Mexico states that "In about ten years the Earth will enter a

"little ice age" which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by

the decrease in solar activity," [2]

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enio/nota.asp?id=651680&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=es&tl=en> according to a report in

the major Mexican newspaper Milenio Diario.

Herrera slammed the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC)

stance on global warming as "erroneous" because of their failure to factor

in the impact of solar activity.

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The models and forecasts of the IPCC "is incorrect because only are based on

mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include,

for example, solar activity," said Herrera.

Herrera states that the earth is entering a natural phase of climate

transition during which solar activity will diminish considerably, "so that

in two years or so, there will be a small ice age that lasts from 60 to 80

years."

Herrera cited the growth in glaciers observed at the Andes, Perito Moreno,

Logan, the highest mountain in Canada, and Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand.

A dramatic cooling trend is being observed across the planet even as people

like Al Gore continue to claim that the threat of global warming mandates

the poor and middle class be hit with CO2 taxes in order to prevent climate

change.

Both anecdotal evidence and hard data indicates that the planet is in the

beginning stages of a significant downturn in global temperatures.

Following the end of the Sun's most active period in over 11,000 years, the

[3]

<http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2008/040408_cools_off.htm>

last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998

leveled out and are now plummeting.

China recently experienced its [4]

<http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepa...H_.24202008020

4> coldest winter in 100 years while [5]

<http://www2.nysun.com/article/74175> northeast America was hit by record

snow levels and Britain suffered its [6]

<Home | Mail Online

=544088&in_page_id=1770> coldest April in decades as late-blooming daffodils

were pounded with hail and snow on an almost daily basis. The British summer

has also left many yearning for global warming, with temperatures in June

and July rarely struggling to get over 16 degrees and on one occasion even

dropping as low as 9 degrees in the middle of the afternoon.

"Summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has

dominated much of the 21st Century's opening decade," [7]

<http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...lainer-13aug13

,0,918946.story> reports the Chicago Tribune. "There have been only 162 days

90 degrees or warmer at Midway Airport over the period from 2000 to 2008.

That's by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of

any decade on record here since 1930."

The reason? Sunspot activity has dwindled. There have only been a handful of

days in the past two months where any sunspot activity has been observed and

[8]

<Spotless days: 400 and counting Watts Up With That?

ing/> over 400 spotless days have been recorded in the current solar cycle.

"The sun's surface has been fairly blank for the last couple of years, and

that has some worried that it may be entering another Maunder minimum, the

sun's 50-year abstinence from sunspots, which some scientists have linked to

the Little Ice Age of the 17th century," [9]

<http://lostestate.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/sun-seems-eerily-calm/> reports

one science blog.

Since the sun, and not carbon dioxide, is the principle driver of climate

change, a dearth of sunspot activity would herald a repeat of the [10]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum> Maunder Minimum, the name

given to the period roughly from 1645 to 1715, when sunspots became

exceedingly rare and contributed to the onset of the Little Ice Age during

which Europe and North America were hit by bitterly cold winters and the

Thames river in London completely froze.

Long-time man-made global warming advocates NASA assure us that significant

sunspot activity will return in 2012, but [11]

<Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″. Watts Up With That?

unspots-may-vanish-by-2015/> a recent a paper on recent solar trends by

William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in

Tucson, predicts that sunspots will all but vanish after 2015.

[12]

<http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/august2008/081408_ice_age.htm> As

we reported last week, the Armagh observatory, which has been measuring sun

cycles for over 200 years. predicts that global temperatures will drop by

two degrees over the next 20 years as solar activity grinds to a halt and

the planet drastically cools down, potentially heralding the onset of a new

ice age.

"Based on the past Armagh measurements, this suggests that over the next two

decades, global temperatures may fall by about 2 degrees C - that is, to a

level lower than any we have seen in the last 100 years.."Temperatures have

already fallen by about 0.5 degrees C over the past 12 months and, if this

is only the start of it, it would be a serious concern," concludes David

Watt.

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