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A British fighter pilot pursues the german ace that shot down his friend across sky and country... with murder in mind. But he discovers it's not so easy to kill a man when you have to look them in the eye


This was funded by an Irish Film Board scheme called 'Short Cuts' and was shot in November 2007. The Budget was €70K, and was used entirely on the live action components of the film - leaving a grand total of ZERO for visual effects!

I completed all the visual effects shots, over 120 in total, entirely by myself. Dave Head modelled the aircraft (and truck), but I textured, lit, animated and composited the shots over a six month period in 2008.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by highhopes View Post

    A British fighter pilot pursues the german ace that shot down his friend across sky and country... with murder in mind. But he discovers it's not so easy to kill a man when you have to look them in the eye


    This was funded by an Irish Film Board scheme called 'Short Cuts' and was shot in November 2007. The Budget was €70K, and was used entirely on the live action components of the film - leaving a grand total of ZERO for visual effects!

    I completed all the visual effects shots, over 120 in total, entirely by myself. Dave Head modelled the aircraft (and truck), but I textured, lit, animated and composited the shots over a six month period in 2008.

    The German
    WHOA, NEAT! 70K euros actually sounds pretty cheap, even for the effects. I COULD see how models could have been used, with simulators, etc... but think it was done well. And I HAVE heard stories of nazis and brits ide by side in pubs. MOST of those nazis probably did it only to survive in the society. It's a shame such a thing ever happened.

    But WELL DONE!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Thanks for some great footage and a interesting story.

    I had no idea the Irish were neutral in WW2.

    I used to play Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator game and it was a hoot.

    I prefer watching WW2 plane dogfights verses WW1 fighter planes or jet aircraft.

    All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Thanks for some great footage and a interesting story.

      I had no idea the Irish were neutral in WW2.

      I used to play Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator game and it was a hoot.

      I prefer watching WW2 plane dogfights verses WW1 fighter planes or jet aircraft.

      All The Best!!

      TL
      I guess they were, since I did long ago here of nazis and brits together in pubs, where ENGLISH was spoken, during the war. Ireland HAS kind of tried to keep to themselves, so it makes sense. The volume HERE isn't too great, so I didn't hear much of what the german said but it sounded like he said, when the brit had a gun to his head, "Please put the gun away"("Stell die pistole weg...bitte"),"Enough"(as in this has gone far enough)"genug", and it sounded like he said he was forty("Ich bin fierzig"), but I'm sure THAT last one must be wrong. This film was pretty neat. It portrayed it well, made Ireland look nice, got the idea across, etc... And EVEN had a surprise ending! BOTH guys probably thought they were in England!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Impressively done, especially for that budget. The aircaft, in particular, are superb.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I guess they were, since I did long ago here of nazis and brits together in pubs, where ENGLISH was spoken, during the war.
        If you had to choose to be held in an internment camp, then K-Lines, where the majority of Allied and German airmen (and sailors) were held in Ireland during the war, was the place to be.

        It was built within a large military base on the outskirts of a town in the middle of the country and internees were actually allowed to leave the camp for up to 7 hours a day simply by signing a statement promising to return before a certain time. They were allowed to use local swimming pools, gymnasiums, horse riding facilities, playing fields, cinemas, schools (where the Germans had English classes) and hotels (both for drinking and spending "personal time" with their wives, who were allowed to travel to Ireland to visit them). They were also allowed to visit private homes locally for parties and dances, and went on fishing and golf trips. They also had radios and telephones in the camp itself.

        Virtually all returned as promised, with the Germans being ordered by their government to do so, and the British being ordered that any escape attempt had to be done "legitimately" in the form of a break out from the camp itself (with one pilot actually being SENT BACK to Ireland by the British for failing to do so and, thus, his escape was deemed illegitimate!). Most never bothered trying and, even then, guards were ordered not to fire on them anyway. (Most Allied internees were British, but there were a number of Canadians, some Kiwis, and at least one Pole and one American).

        Also, officers from both sides attended horse races with their Irish counterparts, whom they also accompanied to various officers clubs. They also frequently went foxhunting, and at least one also shipped his wife over to live full-time in the local town.

        There was little or no strife between the two sides. They were held in the same camp, albeit seperated by a single fence. Outside, they did mix. The worst "incident" (outside the camp) happened when RAF personnel lodged a complaint that the Germans had gatecrashed a dance they had organised for themselves (though I believe the dance went ahead anyway). They also played football matches against each other and had boxing competitions.

        Considering the above, it probably won't surprise you that, if they encountered trouble over the Irish Sea or Northern Ireland, German pilots would deliberately try to crash/bail out in/over Ireland, or as close to it as they could get.

        Most Allied airmen who ended up in Ireland landed here thinking it was Britain. This was quite common considering that aircraft navigation systems then were very basic compared to today’s standards.

        Many sailors ended up here too, mainly because only Irish ships stopped for them, with both Allied and German ships passing them by, too afraid to stop.

        Today, there are many people in the vicinity of the camp (and father afield) whose father or grandfather was a German or British internee who married a local woman and stayed here after the war.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

          Impressively done, especially for that budget.
          Yeah, like I said, CHEAP!

          If you had to choose to be held in an internment camp, then K-Lines, where the majority of Allied and German airmen were held in Ireland during the war, was the place to be.

          It was built within a large military base on the outskirts of a town in the middle of the country and internees were actually allowed to leave the camp for up to 7 hours a day simply by signing a statement promising to return before a certain time. They were allowed to use local swimming pools, gymnasiums, horse riding facilities, playing fields, cinemas, schools (where the Germans had English classes) and hotels (both for drinking and spending "personal time" with their wives, who were allowed to travel to Ireland to visit them). They were also allowed to visit private homes locally for parties and dances. They also had radios and telephones in the camp itself.

          Virtually all returned as promised, with the Germans being ordered by their government to do so, and the British being ordered that any escape attempt had to be done "legitimately" in the form of a break out from the camp itself.
          That all sounds nice! And yeah, if a brit went back on his word, it would be a disgrace, and only hurt the others in the camp. Escapes were kind of EXPECTED in most places.

          Most never bothered trying and, even then, guards were ordered not to fire on them anyway. (Most Allied airmen at the camp were British, but there were a number of Canadians, and at least one Pole and one American).
          I imagine most allies in the area were brit.

          Also, officers from both sides attended the the local racecourse with their Irish counterparts.

          Considering the above, it probably won't surprise you that, if they encountered trouble over the Irish Sea or Northern Ireland, German pilots would deliberately try to crash/bail out in/over Ireland, or as close to it as they could get.
          Yeah, I could understand why. Especially what I will say later!

          Most Allied airmen who ended up in Ireland landed here thinking it was Britain. This was quite common considering that aircraft navigation systems then were very basic compared to today's standards.
          Even with GREAT navigation, it is hard enough to avoid cars on a freeway where it seems like EVERYONE is trying to crash into you! I used the STANDARD 2 second rule to keep distance between my *****CAR***** and the car in front of me, and vehicles skirted across between us. On the left of me, there were THREE ****MINIVANS**** in LESS space than me and the car in front of me. If EITHER of the first two minivans stopped, or even slowed abruptly, damag would have been done and people could have died!

          With a plane in a dog fight, they have to watch like three times the area, AND try to shoot down the other guy. Handling navigation also is just asking too much.

          BTW I didn't see where you correctly "corrected" me about the nazi reference, but noticed it earlier. I meant that they were DRESSED LIKE, ACTED LIKE, and SAID they were nazis even though it was simply because they were FORCED! HECK, they may have WANTED to end up in Ireland. I AM part German, and Irish. I'm actually PROUD of both countries, though I hate EVERYTHING about NAZISM and MARXISM. A LOT of countries have had bad parts in their history. I have known people here that are Irish, and proud of it, and ASHAMED of many Irish that come over here viewing them as JERKS. Happily, I haven't experienced that. I know one manager that is actually an H1B that is from Ireland, and most people HATE her, as I do, but I think that is just HER! I have known of people from MANY nationalities that have acted as she does.

          Being in Ireland, the "nazis" could revert to who they REALLY were without fearing that they or their loved ones would be killed.

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            And yeah, if a brit went back on his word, it would be a disgrace, and only hurt the others in the camp. Escapes were kind of EXPECTED in most places.
            I've edited the above to include the fact that one pilot was actually sent BACK to Ireland by the British because they deemed his escape illegitimate. He didn't try to escape from the camp. Instead, he broke his promise to return and caught a train from Dublin to Belfast instead.

            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            BTW I didn't see where you correctly "corrected" me about the nazi reference, but noticed it earlier. I meant that they were DRESSED LIKE, ACTED LIKE, and SAID they were nazis even though it was simply because they were FORCED! HECK, they may have WANTED to end up in Ireland. I AM part German, and Irish.

            Being in Ireland, the "nazis" could revert to who they REALLY were without fearing that they or their loved ones would be killed.
            I guessed what you meant, so edited that part out.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

              I've edited the above to include the fact that one pilot was actually sent BACK to Ireland by the British because they deemed his escape illegitimate. He didn't try to escape from the camp. Instead, he broke his promise to return and caught a train from Dublin to Belfast instead.
              WOW, now ***THAT*** is class! All too many times, they show have honor is just given lip service. I wonder how the IRISH felt about that though. i mean it would be unfair, and maybe a bit naive, to just let him have the same freedoms again.

              I guessed what you meant, so edited that part out.
              Yeah, I once read a little magazine that was put out by the goethe institut. MAN I wish I knew about that earlier, etc... Anyway, they try to teach the world German, and about relationships with, by, and between Germans. Imght as well give them a plug: Learning German, Experiencing Culture*-*Goethe-Institut*

              I may have mentioned it earlier, but I read this one story by this German Girl. She was a young teenager, and seemed nice, etc... she spoke of how badly she was treated and, at the end of the article, she said "I don't know if it had to do with ME, or my nationality.".

              It is a shame when a society does something that only a MINORITY may agree with, and then even great great grandkids of the society, that may never have had any involved ancestors, are treated as if they are PERSONALLY responsible! To add insult to injury, some of those that mistreat them may have ancestors that they agree with that WERE personally responsible. A lot of NAZIs moved to spain, for example. One close relative of you know who actually moved to the US!

              Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
            [QUOTE=seasoned;5656141]Yeah, like I said, CHEAP!



            Seasoned says

            Quote:
            (Most Allied airmen at the camp were British, but there were a number of Canadians, and at least one Pole and one American).

            Thomas says

            Quote:
            (Most Allied internees were British, but there were a number of Canadians....... some Kiwis........, and at least one Pole and one American).

            obviously usa is still smarting over anzus

            ah the wisdom of the Irish
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Yeah, like I said, CHEAP!



              Seasoned says

              Quote:
              (Most Allied airmen at the camp were British, but there were a number of Canadians, and at least one Pole and one American).

              Thomas says

              Quote:
              (Most Allied internees were British, but there were a number of Canadians....... some Kiwis........, and at least one Pole and one American).

              obviously usa is still smarting over anzus

              ah the wisdom of the Irish
              HUH? First of all, WHAT are you responding to from ME? And HOW is the US smarting?

              And what does ANZUS have to do with the irish?
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              • Profile picture of the author Thomas
                Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors View Post

                Seasoned says

                Quote:
                (Most Allied airmen at the camp were British, but there were a number of Canadians, and at least one Pole and one American).

                Thomas says

                Quote:
                (Most Allied internees were British, but there were a number of Canadians....... some Kiwis........, and at least one Pole and one American).

                obviously usa is still smarting over anzus

                ah the wisdom of the Irish
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


                HUH? First of all, WHAT are you responding to from ME? And HOW is the US smarting?

                And what does ANZUS have to do with the irish?
                LOL.

                Steve is innocent! It was my fault: I quickly typed out the post, and then went back to refine things. The Kiwis were only added in after Steve quoted me. (You'll see that Steve also mentioned something else that I edited out.)

                No fallout from ANZUS here!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    That was a great film in my opinion.

    The acting, camera angles, storyline, special effects, all top notch.

    Excellent job
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  • Profile picture of the author ericbryant
    Fascinating! Thanks for the link to the movie!
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  • Profile picture of the author highhopes
    Eamonn de Valera was one of the only world leaders to sign Hitlers book of condolences.

    Ireland's neutral position was both simple and complex.

    Simple because it was deeply divided on its relationship to the Allies and to Britain in particular and also, in defence resources terms, it would have been a defenceless liability.

    Complex because it was dependant upon the Allies for supplies (brought through the German u-boat blockade), remained a member of the British Commonwealth (with the King as Head of State - the republic came post-war), allowed its citizens to fight with Allied forces and work in war industries, and gave other assistance to Allied forces while censoring what war news could be published, protesting against US troops in Northern Ireland (and thus irritating its former political allies in the US) and regarding itself as a part of a neutral and Catholic European bloc (which included the fascist dictatorships in Spain, Portugal and Italy (until 1943) and the proto-fascist Vichy regime in France).

    The concentration camp issue was downplayed and Dev's condolences on Hitler's death remain a political curiosity.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by highhopes View Post

      Eamonn de Valera was one of the only world leaders to sign Hitlers book of condolences.

      Ireland's neutral position was both simple and complex.

      Simple because it was deeply divided on its relationship to the Allies and to Britain in particular and also, in defence resources terms, it would have been a defenceless liability.

      Complex because it was dependant upon the Allies for supplies (brought through the German u-boat blockade), remained a member of the British Commonwealth (with the King as Head of State - the republic came post-war), allowed its citizens to fight with Allied forces and work in war industries, and gave other assistance to Allied forces while censoring what war news could be published, protesting against US troops in Northern Ireland (and thus irritating its former political allies in the US) and regarding itself as a part of a neutral and Catholic European bloc (which included the fascist dictatorships in Spain, Portugal and Italy (until 1943) and the proto-fascist Vichy regime in France).

      The concentration camp issue was downplayed and Dev's condolences on Hitler's death remain a political curiosity.
      Maybe he signed hitlers book to set the germans at ease with havng them almost like POWs. I mean it DOES sound odd. But Ireland is in an odd place, historically.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Maybe he signed hitlers book to set the germans at ease with havng them almost like POWs. I mean it DOES sound odd. But Ireland is in an odd place, historically.
        When put in context, it's not really that odd: De Valera was an absolute stickler for diplomatic protocol (to the point of near obsession at times) and, in his own words, refusing to sign it "would have been an act of unpardonable discourtesy to the German nation and to Dr Hempel (the most senior German diplomat in Ireland at the time). During the whole of the war, Dr Hempel's conduct was irreproachable. ... I certainly was not going to add to his humiliation in the hour of defeat".

        He wasn't terribly fond of Churchill either so, knowing how much it would irk him probably gave him no small amount of satisfation too (although the British Representitive to Ireland described it as being consistent with the actions of a properly neutral state).

        And, to put things in context on a wider scale: neutral Sweden supplied ores, metals, food, and unrestricted transit to the Germans during the war; neutral Switzerland had no difficulty with gold coming from Germany; both neutral Spain and Portugal supplied intelligence to aid the Germans.

        Neutral Ireland... signed a book.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

          When put in context, it's not really that odd: De Valera was an absolute stickler for diplomatic protocol (to the point of near obsession at times) and, in his own words, refusing to sign it "would have been an act of unpardonable discourtesy to the German nation and to Dr Hempel (the most senior German diplomat in Ireland at the time). During the whole of the war, Dr Hempel's conduct was irreproachable. ... I certainly was not going to add to his humiliation in the hour of defeat"
          That was my point. He showed courtesy so they were more tolerant of taking "POWs". I don't even know what to call them since a person on their honor to come back is not exactly a prisoner.

          He wasn't terribly fond of Churchill either so, knowing how much it would irk him probably gave him no small amount of satisfation too (although the British Representitive to Ireland described it as being consistent with the actions of a properly neutral state).

          And, to put things in context on a wider scale: neutral Sweden supplied ores, metals, food, and unrestricted transit to the Germans during the war; neutral Switzerland had no difficulty with gold coming from Germany; both neutral Spain and Portugal supplied intelligence to aid the Germans.

          Neutral Ireland... signed a book.
          Yeah. Germany tried to round up jews in denmark, and the danish king asked everyone to say they were jewish, as he did. It is interesting how the different countries handled it.

          Steve
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