It Appears We Were Lied To About Saturated Fats

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After years of telling us that saturated fats are bad, mounting evidence is showing we are not getting enough and that they play a major role in several bodily functions. This reminds me of the whole cholesterol is bad poster child to sell more statin drugs, when evidence shows that cholesterol, in both its forms, plays a role in physiological, healthy function. It seems it's always about the money.

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    On the other hand there has been abundant evidence for years that trans fats are highly destructive to the body, linked to heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimer's disease.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Somewhere along the line "science" started settling for links instead of searching for causality. Marriage is linked to cancer.
      There are those that link science to politics, too. Abundant scientific research has linked trans fats to an array of diseases and doubtless the researchers are all sorts of political persuasions.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    From what I have heard, MCTs are saturated AND TRANS! And THEY are supposed to be good and lead to fat LOSS! They're also LOW CALORIE! 7calories per gram! Fats generally have 9calories to the gram!

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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Yes, the whole "low fat" and "fat free" craze was either based on ignorance or deception. Also, there's a difference between trans fats and saturated fats. No one argues that trans fats are bad.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Actually this is pretty common knowledge Trans fats are the bad ones. Who bloody knows though, it seems everything is killing us these days.
      Just found an article, closed it or I would attach, that shows that even one type of trans fat is actually GOOD for you. lol. So first, saturated fats are not bad for you, then cholesterol is not bad for you, now one type of trans fat is not bad for you. I wonder what else we've been lied to believe is bad for us?
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

        Just found an article, closed it or I would attach, that shows that even one type of trans fat is actually GOOD for you. lol. So first, saturated fats are not bad for you, then cholesterol is not bad for you, now one type of trans fat is not bad for you. I wonder what else we've been lied to believe is bad for us?
        If there were lies, I'd say follow the money and see who'd benefit from them. Otherwise, it is likely due to the complexity of nature and scientific research related to it which just isn't as simplistic as political dogma. Science "waffles" a lot and may appear to be indecisive since it functions according to facts and emerging discoveries more than dogma. News media articles on scientific findings will usually misinterpret, hype, and misinform.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShanaRN
          Next week, or maybe even tomorrow, it will be something new/different that will be bad for us. I try to just live as healthy lifestyle as I can and roll with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    The whole deal whether saturated or carbs or whatever is about MODERATION.

    TOO MUCH SATURATED FAT WILL KILL YOU -

    too much of anything is bad

    not enough of something is sometimes bad for you too

    so again - balance and moderation.

    With that said, WHOLE foods and NATURAL foods are best. The place where things that are good become things that are bad is often in the PROCESSING from insecticides to hormones or too much sugar/salt added, or heat processes that kill all the nutritional value.

    One guy on TV recently said - "if it has a label don't eat it". LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I have never eaten a low fat product in my life. Cells have a coating of fat around them and if they don't get it, you are screwed. Lack of fat is giving the medical community a LOT of money. Of course, most people get too few Omega's, too.

    It's really hard to judge by what is publicized, what will effect your health negatively and what won't. Research gets crunched and altered by companies with money at stake - and what finally is released is what doctor's get, so until enough doctors get suspicious and start looking into things, we are screwed. Look at that whole "sunscreen" BS. Now you have people religious about sunscreen, and vitamin D deficiency is crippling and killing people left and right. Another one - the fluoride scam. Magnesium/calcium fluoride is good for you in extreme small doses, and is natural in some water sources - the stuff they dump and expect us to drink is toxic wastes from industry and is dead poison in any amount. But someone left that out of the doctor and dentists training. Now that it has become known, it's still being hard as hell to get cities to stop poisoning, so people are paying for their own destruction.

    It is all about the money. And that is sick crap. People wonder where all the "get rich quick at any expense" marketers come from? From a society that is led by those who will kill to be rich. Literally.

    Now the new one is talk of forced medical testing "volunteering". Nice world eh?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Yes, the whole "low fat" and "fat free" craze was either based on ignorance or deception.
      This.

      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Also, there's a difference between trans fats and saturated fats.
      And this.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I have never eaten a low fat product in my life.
      Nor have I - and I have no plans to.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      It's really hard to judge by what is publicized, what will effect your health negatively and what won't.
      Indeed ... exactly so.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Look at that whole "sunscreen" BS. Now you have people religious about sunscreen, and vitamin D deficiency is crippling and killing people left and right.
      Exactly so. The sunscreen BS is a pretty good example. Including quite a good example of the non-publication and non-promulgation of evidence which inconveniently didn't fit with the accepted agenda.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Another one - the fluoride scam.
      Yes, well ... about that one I don't happen to agree with you at all. But hey, two out of three's not bad. Especially for us. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Another one - the fluoride scam.
        Sal you know I get my water at the spring on Spring Ave. and I talk to everyone else getting water there.
        I'd say 9 out of 10 get their drinking water there because of the chemicals in "city water". Roughly 6 out of 10 say it's mainly because of the fluoride in the city water.
        What angers everyone of them is having to pay for "city water" that they feel isn't drinkable and worst still not being allowed to have a voice on what is in the water. Certain chemicals they add like chlorine are necessary to keep the water save for drinking. But the issue is being either forced to drink something that you feel is either not necessary or harmful or going out of your way to get safe drinking water. Both ways you still have to pay for the water coming into your house.
        At least the CDC has lowered the amount of fluoride allowed in drinking water. They finally figured out that fluoride does cause mottling of teeth or Dental Fluorosis, now they just have to figure out how much fluoride is to much. With fluoride available in toothpaste, mouth wash and even gum I'd say any at all in the water is to much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Another thing that is forced upon us is vaccination. Not just the flu vaccination, which now they're trying to force people to flu vaccinate until May because they have too much supply and not enough demand as people that didn't get vaccinated from last year's shortage are realizing they don't need a flu vaccine in addition to the ultra mild winter we're having.

    The other vaccination is the Gardicil (sp?) for HPV. They're trying to force not just teen girls, but teen boys to get the vaccination likes it's a crime if you don't. Parents have been threatened with removing their children for neglect if they don't comply.

    Then there's the whole scandal, or controversy really, about kids being forced to eat what they think is correct instead of what their parents pack like that girl that was forced to eat the chicken nuggets in the Carolinas I think.

    It's gone beyond just mere intentional misinformation and scare tactics to now forcibly mandating what the government thinks is best for us without our approval or not based on faulty, biased science like the FDA often uses to push through pharmaceuticals or just ignorance. It's getting to be pretty scary actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    The Chinese call unboiled water "idiot water" (sha gua shui 傻瓜水). I didn't take that expression seriously until this news item came out:
    Boil water emergency hits 40,000 in Prince Albert - Saskatchewan - CBC News
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Alexa - you might have missed a crucial point I made about fluoride. What they are putting in our water is NOT natural fluoride, such as fluoride in mother's milk. It is sodium fluoride, and even the water quality reports that are mandatory that consumers get will state that the source is industrial waste. Sodium fluoride is poisonous in all amounts - magnesium/calcium fluorides are natural and your body needs traces of it - not a lot but traces. And - I have no problem with someone else belting it down if they want it - but I should not be forced to drink it - especially as pointed out above - if I'm paying for water, if I don't want it.

    Thom - check that on your next water report - or your water company's website. Doesn't it make you sick that one county over from you, they don't fluoridate the water any more?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Thom - check that on your next water report - or your water company's website. Doesn't it make you sick that one county over from you, they don't fluoridate the water any more?
      What county is that Sal?
      My city water comes from the same folks that maintain the spring I go to, the City of Troy (oh the irony).
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        What county is that Sal?
        My city water comes from the same folks that maintain the spring I go to, the City of Troy (oh the irony).
        I had to look it up again, Thom - I forgot since I don't need the info now - It was Albany and Amsterdam - Maybe more now, I'm not sure if they have that info updated or not. I got the information from
        Communities That Have Rejected Fluoridation Since 1990 It's on the news archive of the Fluoride Action Network. Looks like all that organic activism out there is backfiring in NJ. They are going to subdue the crowds by dumping it in the water there - that will keep those pesky citizens who are so adamant about their health tranquilized! About the only way to get it OUT of the water is for the citizens to throw a freaking fit at the water company, maybe class action lawsuits, not sure, but it doesn't happen on its own.

        I remember the study that the AP did about 2 -3 years ago and they reported 40 mil were having their water dosed with a "post 911 deterent". They would not report what exactly that was, but found it in "areas of concern". If the excrement really ever hits the fan in the way of a civil war = the last thing you will see me do is drink municipal water.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Wow Albany hasn't had fluoride in their water for 18 years.
          Even when/if Troy does it, I'll still get the spring water.
          You still have a lot of chemicals in city water that I don't want to drink.
          I know they are necessary in city water, but if I have a source without them I'll stick to that. I'm even toying with the idea of getting my water for the gardens down the end of the road. That's a separate spring down there from the one at the top of the hill that got contaminated by leech fields.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Wow Albany hasn't had fluoride in their water for 18 years.
            Even when/if Troy does it, I'll still get the spring water.
            You still have a lot of chemicals in city water that I don't want to drink.
            I know they are necessary in city water, but if I have a source without them I'll stick to that. I'm even toying with the idea of getting my water for the gardens down the end of the road. That's a separate spring down there from the one at the top of the hill that got contaminated by leech fields.

            Thom - what I find scary about city water is all the pharmaceuticals floating around in it. How many people are dying of drug reactions because of a pharmaceutical drug in the water (from urine and people dumping them down toilets, etc).

            And I disagree with what you said about needing the chemicals. When I lived in Empire, CO we had a natural water filtration system - sands, rocks, probably charcoals, etc. People came from other countries to study it. The water was the most pure I've ever drank outside of 2 weeks a year during runoff season when the snow melt on the mountain was rapid. Boiling for 2 weeks for water that pure 50 weeks a year bothered absolutely nobody. Then there's also ultra violet light treatments that are just as effective as chlorine and are non-toxic and leave no residual chemicals. Trouble is -- these healthy alternatives cost more than dumping more crap in the water so we aren't going to get them on any massive scale.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              Thom - what I find scary about city water is all the pharmaceuticals floating around in it. How many people are dying of drug reactions because of a pharmaceutical drug in the water (from urine and people dumping them down toilets, etc).

              And I disagree with what you said about needing the chemicals. When I lived in Empire, CO we had a natural water filtration system - sands, rocks, probably charcoals, etc. People came from other countries to study it. The water was the most pure I've ever drank outside of 2 weeks a year during runoff season when the snow melt on the mountain was rapid. Boiling for 2 weeks for water that pure 50 weeks a year bothered absolutely nobody. Then there's also ultra violet light treatments that are just as effective as chlorine and are non-toxic and leave no residual chemicals. Trouble is -- these healthy alternatives cost more than dumping more crap in the water so we aren't going to get them on any massive scale.
              Sal a lot of it has to do with the age and composition of the water delivery system. Troy supplies water to most of Renns. county and even Cohoes in Saratoga county. As recently as 5 years ago they where still finding pipes from the original system. I say pipes but they where really just hollowed out logs. You can filter the water anyway you want, but if the pipes are old you can still pick up bacteria and contaminants.
              One of the reasons we didn't have problems with the water at Parkwood was because of the type of pipes we used to supply water to the buildings.
              Also water sources will play a role in determining what is needed to treat the water, if it needs treatment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Apparently cows milk isnt good for us either. It does contain calcium but it actually never gets to be absorbed by our body and worse yet it depletes calcium from our body.

    I've heard almond milk is better for us.

    Certain low sugar vegetables is a better source of calcium it seems.

    Tony robbins actually promotes all this and the idea is to eat alkaline based foods instead of acid based foods (sugar turns acidic once in our body).

    Things like coffee, booze, alcohol, cigarettes, sugary foods, certain fruits etc are all acidic to our bodies, and we need to netrualise the ratio by eating alkaline foods.

    Lemons, wheet grass and other foods are high in alkaline if you're wondering. (lemons are acidic but once in our bodies turn to alkaline)

    Who knows, but I guess if we keep eating like most people do we are going to be one of the 1 in 3 that develop cancer, so perhaps a diet that is really different and sounds crazy is the way to go.
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  • Where was this study conducted again...McDonald's University?
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    There's been a lot of new information coming out about fluoride recently.


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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    It has been many years since I drank tap water at all anywhere - I was buying 'Spring' water etc although I did use tap water in cooking - figured boiling would help with something.

    The water here tastes just absolutely horrible. I have no idea why but it is worse than just a chemical taste. So I started using Britta Filters and have the pitcher dispenser with filters - (I got guilted out on all the plastic bottles I am causing to be in the dumps from buying water)

    Here is what the Britta certification says

    REDUCES the following harmful contaminants that may be in your tap water:

    copper, (short term: gastrointestinal distress, long term: liver or kidney damage)

    mercury (kidney damage)

    cadmium (kidney damage)

    chlorine (taste and odor) and Zinc (metallic taste)

    KEEPS: A "healthy level" of fluoride a water additive that promotes strong teeth (applies to fluoridated municipal water)

    hmmmm - should i go back to 'mountain spring water'?
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  • Profile picture of the author CrowX
    High cholesterol in your blood is bad, not high intake of cholesterol. And oddly as it might sound, there's little to no relation between the two.
    The amount of cholesterol in your blood depends more on your overall body-fat percentage, which increases more from the high amounts of carbs we intake nowadays than it does from fats.
    The way our bodies got designed through evolution, all the carbs our ancestors got were from fruits and nuts. Evolution didn't have a plan for modern bakeries .
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