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Tired of High Fructose Corn Syrup

by The 13th Warrior
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Have to watch for products you normally shop for, because they like to sneak in that high fructose corn syrup crap in a product, or corn syrup or some other crap.

First, this stuff has no flavor , just intense synthetic sweetness, does NOT taste better than honey or old fashioned, teeth-rottening sugar.

Eating that crap makes you feel like a charged up Meth head.

IF a product is CHEAP, it is most likely got that crap in it, just check the 99 cent stores or anything on sale.

Sure, I know the public is trying to save a buck, but this stuff have effects you're gonna pay for later, probably in a bad way.

Ketchup and other condiments got to be looked at as well, as well as the different HIDING of Monosodium Glutamate or its other "sneaky" terms.

I remember back in the day Monosodium Glutamate was something a restaurant or fast food place would sprinkle on SPOILED rice and rank meat to sell it instead of throwing it out in the garbage where it belonged.

Had to find a ketchup brand with only sugar or honey like stuff.

The public demand for cheap crap simply makes the markup higher when you HAVE to shop at health food stores to get half decent food or snacks.

If you want your health at the mercy of doctors, then enjoy the cheap stuff.

Especially when the doctors manual admitted that 4 out of 10 deaths in America was doctor induced illness, ala mis-diagnosis.

They simply want to medicate the s#%t out of you, have you seen the ads for simple skin blemishes? Sure, it will clear up your skin if you take it FOR LIFE, but you trade bad skin for 8-10 side effects, like rectal bleeding, erosion of vital organs, etc.,that is simply not logical..., and while they explain the side effects, they have images of people flying a kite, smelling roses and living the american dream, do people REALLY fall for that, REALLY???

Also am staying away from anything with Carmine, no need for cockroach/beetle extract for color, jesus christ, who needs color to eat?

The natural state of color of a food is just find with me, I don't need blood red dye color for me to eat something.

Aspartame, cola/phosphoric acid/bone eater, and all these damn chemicals.

Take out food can never beat in flavor or cost REAL food, chemical free, preservative free...,sure, you are out of town or convenient to grab something, but all the time?

Take out food usually takes so bad , fake and phony, it is usually something you just wolf down to fill your stomach.

If some products have more than 7 ingredients, you gonna have a problem.

Anything breaded or with bread is usually the worst of the lot, followed by diary products, the faker, the more FILLER ingredients needed.

Cheap yogurt , for example, is usually filled with Modified Corn Starch, or some other cheap filler.

A good rule of thumb is that anything they feed farm animals up with to fatten them up for slaughter is probably something you should eat in extreme moderation.


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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Not to mention practically all the corn derivatives that are in just about everything comes from GMO corn. Same goes for soy bean products and cotton.
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    Natural fructose isn't any worse than sugar -- it's the "corn" and the processing that turn it into dangerous crap. I'll eat natural sugar any day of the week before I touch a sugar substitute -- and what that means is I cook instead of eating processed foods.

    Anything processed seems to have garbage laced through it. It's convenient only for now. Even restaurants are getting iffy. Can't ask for a glass of milk in a restaurant any more without having to ask if it's got growth hormones in it or organic.

    Until our politicians get a handle on corporation profits not being more important than their constituents, this is something we have to watch out for and fight every damned day of our lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Ain't that the truth!

      We see that ring true in every area of society now. But the sad thing is, is that if people keep just blindly accepting everything they're told, or just blowing it off as the times we live in, it will never change.

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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        Don't forget the cheese that has the EXACT molecular composition as plastic.

        And you wonder why you have strange symptoms or health problems...,
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        • Profile picture of the author JGladmore
          I try to avoid HFCS (felt wrong doing it when I was doing work in an export grain silo that handled corn), and I also avoid Gluten (wife has Celiac Disease), but I do give into beer.

          Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

          Don't forget the cheese that has the EXACT molecular composition as plastic.

          And you wonder why you have strange symptoms or health problems...,
          Depends on what you define as "plastic" (I am a chemical engineer). You could say "It has the same molecules as PVC except one", and you could be right, but PVC is over 50% Chlorine by weight. Makes a big difference.

          Molecular shape make a big difference and 1 molecule can completely change a chemical. Just think, Tylenol is one molecular angle away from being really bad for you (been too long since ochem, think it the cis- tran- bonds, whatever, doesn't matter; actually it does because a manufacturer accidentally did the wrong bond once and sent it out)
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          • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
            Originally Posted by JGladmore View Post


            Depends on what you define as "plastic" (I am a chemical engineer). You could say "It has the same molecules as PVC except one", and you could be right, but PVC is over 50% Chlorine by weight. Makes a big difference.
            Let's not forget that water is one molecule away from explosive hydrogen gas, so this means water is very dangerous stuff. For this reason, always keep water away from open flames.
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  • Profile picture of the author pinewater
    if you want to go totally healthy, don't eat anything sweet - not even xylitol, stevia, agave, cane, black sugar, - NOTHING. there are brain receptors that are affected by the sweet signal regardless of origin which result in negative neurological consequences. i know this will harsh the mellow of many as i used to eat black sugar as well as drink maple syrup [the dark stuff from quebec]. to date, i've cut 90% of sugar out of my diet. it's only a few days/wk that i do get a little.

    as for carb conversion to sugar, i'm eating whole grains with wild rice/jasmine mix. i combine the rice into one pot and cook till the wild rice is good. sometimes i leave it a bit al dente. as for the validity of following the glycemic index - i'm not sure the science is there, so i don't watch it. i stick with unrefined grains. nothing white except for the basmati or jasmine rice which i mix with wild or black rice. i eat lots of black or complex foods. except for black sugar which i'm dropping.

    diet is complex. probably ranks with politics, religion and sex for debate explosiveness.
    but diet will affect your life, health, longevity and everything else more. if you're short tempered, can't think straight, have trouble sleeping - this, in my opinion is 99% diet related. you're either eating too much of something or not enough of something. and it will express itself. you can be allergic to something and if it is subclinical and doesn't show symptomology you won't know better thinking everything is kosher till one day you can't sleep restfully, your dick seeps or you're just tired and brain foggy.

    if you factor in the scams, you don't really know what you're eating. even if you grew it yourself, you don't know the seed origin, history or quality of the grow medium; if outdoor, the air and rain constituents. is japanese radiation falling on your crop? acid rain? what other stuff is the jet stream dropping on your neighbourhood?

    if, in the quiet of your mind and not some random neurological hallucinalogic firing, you're not feeling good in any area of your life - watch and cutout what you're eating.

    what to eat? has always been a good but not simple question.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      if you factor in the scams, you don't really know what you're eating. even if you grew it yourself, you don't know the seed origin, history or quality of the grow medium; if outdoor, the air and rain constituents. is japanese radiation falling on your crop? acid rain? what other stuff is the jet stream dropping on your neighbourhood?
      I've got to disagree with that, a little.
      This year I bought certified organic seed from a farm that grows their own seed crops. I may not trust the USDA (who certified the seed), but after a mammoth amount of research I trust the farm. I will also be visiting the farm this summer just to verify what I've already learned about them.
      In addition I have a couple of friends who save their seed from year to year.
      After I visit the farm where I purchased my seed, I'll be doing the same, especially since many of the vegetable varieties I'll be planting are heirloom.
      Acid rain isn't that much of an issue where I'm at now a days.
      Back in the 70's and even into the 80's it was, but not so much now.
      Back then after a rain storm the soil pH would drop from 6.8 to 5 for about a day till the sulphur was either flushed or nutuerlized(sp). In the spring after the snow melt you would have to wait a month to plant.
      Now the pH MAY drop to 6.5 after a storm or after the spring thaw.
      The property I'm on has been in my family for 82 years.
      There are now houses close by, but my little .6 acre has been what it is (so to speak) for a couple hundred years, the title search I found from when my father bought the house in 1930 goes back to the 1860's when the house was originally sold. My land has only been in 3 families and 2 of those where farm families. I know for a fact, that there has never been any type of chemicals used on this property including chemical based fertilizers. I also know when the farmers who farmed around us fertilized their fields it was always with cow manure, which makes sense as they where dairy farms, and yes I grew up drinking raw milk.
      I remember when "organic" gardening and farming first became popular.
      At that time my father and the farmer up the road where still alive.
      After discussing it we decided the only difference between organic growing and what we had been doing right along was in calling it organic.
      The major difference between organic and non-organic growing is with the soil. Organic growers feed the soil and not the plants, while non-organic growers feed the plants and not the soil. Over time non-organic growers turn their soil into little more then a carrier for the chemicals they feed their plants and support for the plant roots.
      Organic growers, over time turn their soil into vibrant communities of micro-organisms, insects and worms that work in relationship with the soil to provide food for the plants. They also will keep the soil clean to an extent. If you have any toxins in the soil either the microbes will take care of them or if it is real bad your plants won't grow the way they should or at all.
      But yes you can still grow healthy organic food if you know how and if you do the work.

      By the way, in addition to growing "organically" my whole life, I've studied veg. production, fruit science, soil science, etomology, etc., at one of the best Ag. schools in N.Y.
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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        I love the sneaky way they try to hide high fructose corn syrup by hoping you don't skim too far by listing sugar in the first 7 ingredients, then, way down the ingredients list, high fructose corn syrup.

        Now, I see, that some products list a disclaimer before listing high fructose corn syrup , like " less than 2 percent of...",....oh boy, what they will stoop to to make a sale.

        I also like "Interesterified" fats/soybean oil...., I don't care what they say, I try my best to steer clear of these molecular engineered freak ingredients.

        If it does not kill you right away or quickly cause an organ or artery to decompose, then they consider it safe for consumption, believe who you like.

        Other crap like "deactivated cod enzyme" in some fish soups, even in health stores, you got to police products yourself.

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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          This is for anyone here who is planning on having a veggie garden this year.
          http://www.agardenforthehouse.com/20...d-by-monsanto/

          Now here's a link to help you find organic seeds.
          Organic Seed Alliance - Looking for Organic Seed?
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        • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
          Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

          I love the sneaky way they try to hide high fructose corn syrup by hoping you don't skim too far by listing sugar in the first 7 ingredients, then, way down the ingredients list, high fructose corn syrup.
          Ingredients are listed on food labels in decreasing order of predominance by weight. In the U.S. at least, manufacturers can not bury an ingredient like corn syrup lower in the list than it appears by weight in the product. If you suspect a manufacturer of cheating in the way that you've suggested, report them to the FDA.

          In other words, if you see corn syrup far down in the list of ingredients for a food product, that simply means that there is relatively little corn syrup in the product.

          http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComp...htm#ingredient
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          • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
            Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post


            If you suspect a manufacturer of cheating in the way that you've suggested, report them to the FDA.

            In other words, if you see corn syrup far down in the list of ingredients for a food product, that simply means that there is relatively little corn syrup in the product.

            I trust them as much as I trust the folks who regulate and punish:

            Wall Street

            Credit Default Swaps

            Monsanto

            Oil and Mineral Dept.

            Pharmaceutical Industry

            FDA also said Aspartame and agriculture that produces its own pesticides is safe.

            The FDA , if paid the right amount, would've also said that Jim Jone's Kool-Aid is safe for human consumption also.

            The Billionaires payroll, and counting.

            Trust who you like, its your body.

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            • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
              Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

              I trust them as much as I trust the folks who regulate and punish:
              Right, I get it. You don't trust the government.

              My point was not whether or not you should trust the government. Instead I was responding to this statement:

              Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

              I love the sneaky way they try to hide high fructose corn syrup by hoping you don't skim too far by listing sugar in the first 7 ingredients, then, way down the ingredients list, high fructose corn syrup.
              What food products can you give as examples of this? What companies are placing high fructose corn syrup lower in the list of ingredients than it should be?
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              • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
                Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

                Right, I get it. You don't trust the government.

                My point was not whether or not you should trust the government. Instead I was responding to this statement:



                What food products can you give as examples of this? What companies are placing high fructose corn syrup lower in the list of ingredients than it should be?

                Read various products yourself, and do your own research, if you care, I am not going to give a deposition here.

                And NO, you DON'T "get it", otherwise, why would you tell me to report something to an entity I do not fully trust?

                FDA approved Aspartame and Phen Phen and other crap.

                "Water is one molecule away from hydrogen...," I get it, anything that does not confirm to your intellectual analysis and protocols is an exaggerated scale of relativity that is grossly inapplicable.

                Eat whatever you want to eat. It's your body.

                Go tell the dead people who died , their family and lawyers of "FDA" approved products that they later pulled from the market about trust and reporting to the FDA.

                What you "don't get" is that money talks, safety is later with some practices of the FDA, with insanely biased trials of product safety, done BY the profiteers and makers of the products themselves or some compromised subsidiary.

                Its not necessarily about trust or not, but trusting one's own God given common sense and ones own decision making, inspite of "experts".

                Many a "experts" have put people in the cemetery, if you gamble with those odds with YOUR health about what you consume, have at it.

                '"Experts" have been confounded by laymen/ nobody type citizens with cures , inventions and technology that "experts" first deemed ludicrous and laughable.

                The antithesis of "I don't trust the government", by you, assumes they are TOTALLY trustworthy which is the exact opposite of your conclusion of my thinking which is equally, if not more, of a psychosis.

                I know why bodybuilders who "think" they eat right and take vitamins and work out hard usually don't look much better after their 60's than average people, but that is my research.

                I "get it", if the FDA approves something for market and it does not kill you right away or cause any noticeable effects, its alright, you can't be perfect, you're gonna die anyway, you have a right to your thinking and lifestyle.

                I also know, for a fact, why people can live to 135 or 200 and beyond, again, my research, it is not the conventional "expert" science philosophy scholars accept, but even more scientific and vastly more simple, believe who you wish.

                The universe and its infinite knowledge does not revolve around the FDA, though that is YOUR personal standard of comfort, goody for you.

                Just keep up and wait for the FDA all you like.

                FDA approves of dyes and GMO foods that other countries are banning, I guess maybe they " GET IT" , also, they don't trust our government and some of its food and drug products.

                I'd rather stay out of the cemetery, off life support, out of a wheelchair, away from pacemakers, artificial organs, bones, limbs or having a nurse change and wipe my adult diapers as much as possible, thank you very much.

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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  I say eat dirt.

                  It can't be any worse than the crap the supermarkets are passing off as food.
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                  • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                    I say eat dirt.

                    It can't be any worse than the crap the supermarkets are passing off as food.

                    If you "say" eat dirt, does that mean you will actually do it?

                    If you will actually eat dirt to prove your point, I'll eat my words, good luck with that, you'd probably save a TON of cash not giving the supermarkets your hard earned money since you "call it a wash" what they sale as food comparable to dirt.

                    My only question is, does all the protocols of eating dirt, like cooking, boiling, marination, prepping and seasoning apply to dirt as well ?

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      • Profile picture of the author pinewater
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I've got to disagree with that, a little.
        This year I bought certified organic seed from a farm that grows their own seed crops. I may not trust the USDA (who certified the seed), but after a mammoth amount of research I trust the farm. I will also be visiting the farm this summer just to verify what I've already learned about them.
        In addition I have a couple of friends who save their seed from year to year.
        After I visit the farm where I purchased my seed, I'll be doing the same, especially since many of the vegetable varieties I'll be planting are heirloom.
        Acid rain isn't that much of an issue where I'm at now a days.
        Back in the 70's and even into the 80's it was, but not so much now.
        Back then after a rain storm the soil pH would drop from 6.8 to 5 for about a day till the sulphur was either flushed or nutuerlized(sp). In the spring after the snow melt you would have to wait a month to plant.
        Now the pH MAY drop to 6.5 after a storm or after the spring thaw.
        The property I'm on has been in my family for 82 years.
        There are now houses close by, but my little .6 acre has been what it is (so to speak) for a couple hundred years, the title search I found from when my father bought the house in 1930 goes back to the 1860's when the house was originally sold. My land has only been in 3 families and 2 of those where farm families. I know for a fact, that there has never been any type of chemicals used on this property including chemical based fertilizers. I also know when the farmers who farmed around us fertilized their fields it was always with cow manure, which makes sense as they where dairy farms, and yes I grew up drinking raw milk.
        I remember when "organic" gardening and farming first became popular.
        At that time my father and the farmer up the road where still alive.
        After discussing it we decided the only difference between organic growing and what we had been doing right along was in calling it organic.
        The major difference between organic and non-organic growing is with the soil. Organic growers feed the soil and not the plants, while non-organic growers feed the plants and not the soil. Over time non-organic growers turn their soil into little more then a carrier for the chemicals they feed their plants and support for the plant roots.
        Organic growers, over time turn their soil into vibrant communities of micro-organisms, insects and worms that work in relationship with the soil to provide food for the plants. They also will keep the soil clean to an extent. If you have any toxins in the soil either the microbes will take care of them or if it is real bad your plants won't grow the way they should or at all.
        But yes you can still grow healthy organic food if you know how and if you do the work.

        By the way, in addition to growing "organically" my whole life, I've studied veg. production, fruit science, soil science, etomology, etc., at one of the best Ag. schools in N.Y.

        growing your own food lets you know exactly what went into it. and you can pick at peak brix. not everyone has access to seed producer so you're lucky. mineral supplementation would fill out the nutrient content of produce, not just PNK and if you go permaculture or biodynamic you're even more exotic.
        plus gardening cuts out gym and shrink bills. you can even argue marriage counsellor fees
        mushrooms will take out most if not all pollutants.
        some places collect and use humanure
        can you imagine there are places where you can be shot over raw milk?

        ps. nice history
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by pinewater View Post

          growing your own food lets you know exactly what went into it. and you can pick at peak brix. not everyone has access to seed producer so you're lucky. mineral supplementation would fill out the nutrient content of produce, not just PNK and if you go permaculture or biodynamic you're even more exotic.
          plus gardening cuts out gym and shrink bills. you can even argue marriage counsellor fees
          mushrooms will take out most if not all pollutants.
          some places collect and use humanure
          can you imagine there are places where you can be shot over raw milk?

          ps. nice history
          My main concerns now are GMO's.
          Weather they are safe or not (I don't believe they are) I don't want to eat them period. I'm constantly signing petitions and writing my reps. about labelling gmo's and products that use them as ingredients. Between them and the war on drugs, if things don't change half the country will be in prison and the other half in hospitals.

          Growing organically is just what I have always done. What I learned in college just gave me more reasons to grow like that and a more detailed understanding of how it all works. I've also discovered a spiritual aspect to gardening that has helped me in other areas of my life.

          I'm just starting to get into mushrooms from a medicinal angle.
          I normally collect Morels, Puffballs, and Hen of the Woods.
          All good eating I recently found out the Hen of the Woods enhances the immune system. I've been reading up on the Turkey Tail mushroom lately as they grow all over around here The Turkey Tail Mushroom (Trametes versicolor), aka Yun Zhi, Kawaratake, Coriolus versicolor | Wild Branch Mushrooms

          I try to keep informed about Raw Milk and am sick over people getting arrested over it. I've got a close friend that has a couple goats so I can get raw goat milk when ever I want, as long as his wife isn't there. She always pasteurises it first. I also have discovered a farm about 30 miles from me that sells raw milk, that I'll be checking out this summer.
          Here in NY it's illegal to sell raw milk in a store, but it can be sold on the farm as long as it is inspected for bacteria.
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    Safest bet is to just eat non processed foods.

    When you buy a banana, you get a banana.

    Not chemicals designed to keep pools clean.
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      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post


      Not chemicals designed to keep pools clean.

      Good one.

      I also like propylene glycol listed on edible food, its either brake fluid or antifreeze type compound.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Hey, we are here on this earth for a while. We are not here forever. You should eat the foods that you like but I am not saying that you should eat JUNK food every day and drink pop for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

    You also have to have some sort of a balance. If you drink pop a lot and can't stop, you need to also drink healthy stuff like green tea.

    Isn't the air that we breath outside has JUNK in it too from car fumes?
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post


      Hey, we are here on this earth for a while. We are not here forever.

      That is usually the FINAL, fall back reason, justification and logic for people doing what they want to do anyway...., this thread was for people who are truly concerned with health and quality of living.



      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post


      You should eat the foods that you like but I am not saying that you should eat JUNK food every day and drink pop for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

      You also have to have some sort of a balance. If you drink pop a lot and can't stop, you need to also drink healthy stuff like green tea.

      Why not? As you've said, we are here shortly anyway, so why not eat cake and ice cream or whatever your favorite consumable for breakfast , lunch, dinner and don't forget brunch, supper and in-between snack times, with that reason, what's the point for disciplining yourself at all?

      Party like a Rock Star like all the druggie celebrities, why should their be any intervention or sadness type hypocrisy when they go rock bottom or die, remember, we are here for only a short time, anyway.



      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post


      Isn't the air that we breath outside has JUNK in it too from car fumes?

      EXACTLY.

      Since pretty much EVERYTHING has some adverse effects on the human body, why waste time with moderation or any discipline at all?

      Let's not cry and complain when someone has a disease or dies of one, since, by extending this line of reasoning, everything in the material universe has some adverse effects on the anatomy, be happy for the fun they had while they could have it.

      Party like a Rock Star, dudes, drown yourself in indulgence, if that makes you happy, go for it like a champion.

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