Did President Eisenhower meet Aliens?

What is it with all the folks that start making ludicrous, semi sarcastic posts every time someone mentions the word "alien".

Is it because you've got your head so far up your own @ss that you don't want to, or can't see the truth?
Or is it because deep down inside you are scared ****less of the topic and think that by making failed attempts at humor/sarcasm you make yourselves feel better?

Maybe your head is so ****ing brainwashed by religion that you think it is your duty to defend what you believe is the truth.
Either way, next time you see an alien thread and it's not your cup of tea, go and post your boring, unamusing and sarcastic drivel elsewhere.
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Dave Patterson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What is it with all the folks that start making ludicrous, semi sarcastic posts every time someone mentions the word "alien".

Is it because you've got your head so far up your own @ss that you don't want to, or can't see the truth?
Or is it because deep down inside you are scared ****less of the topic and think that by making failed attempts at humor/sarcasm you make yourselves feel better?

Maybe your head is so ****ing brainwashed by religion that you think it is your duty to defend what you believe is the truth.
Either way, next time you see an alien thread and it's not your cup of tea, go and post your boring, unamusing and sarcastic drivel elsewhere.
Ta

Careful....they don't like to be referred to as "aliens". YOU should know that.

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MissTerraK 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Careful....they don't like to be referred to as "aliens". YOU should know that.

LOL! Dave

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- bravo75 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MissTerraK
  
  LOL! Dave
  
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  I fail to see the LOL side.
  
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  Originally Posted by bravo75
  
  I fail to see the LOL side.
  
  I'm sorry Bravo, I didn't mean any offense or disrespect as I believe everyone has the free choice to believe what they will.
  
  I think Dave was referring to this
  
  Of course he did. We all have. They created us after all.
  
  When he said this
  
  Careful....they don't like to be referred to as "aliens". YOU should know that.
  
  and it just hit me as funny.
  
  Sorry we don't share the same sense of humor.
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What is it with all the folks that start making ludicrous, semi sarcastic posts every time someone mentions the word "alien".

Is it because you've got your head so far up your own @ss that you don't want to, or can't see the truth?
Or is it because deep down inside you are scared ****less of the topic and think that by making failed attempts at humor/sarcasm you make yourselves feel better?

Maybe your head is so ****ing brainwashed by religion that you think it is your duty to defend what you believe is the truth.
Either way, next time you see an alien thread and it's not your cup of tea, go and post your boring, unamusing and sarcastic drivel elsewhere.
Ta

I absolutely agree with you, after years of having a passing interest in this subject which I find fascinating. UFO's have been seen and reported on a daily basis for the last 80+ years not to forgetting much more people who have not reported sightings (including myself). Yes 95% of them are mis-identificatations but that still leaves millions of real sightings.
We have been duped and the whole subject has been covered up or turned into ridicule by idiots.
On the subject of Aliens, well you need go further than checking out a guy called Timothy Good. The overwhelming evidence is there if you
seriously care to look. We are not alone and never have been!

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What is it with all the folks that start making ludicrous, semi sarcastic posts every time someone mentions the word "alien".

They are probably people who think it's ludicrous to believe that the president has met with aliens.

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

They are probably people who think it's ludicrous to believe that the president has met with aliens.

Eisenhower wasn't the only U.S president or high ranking military or political figure to have made some kind of contact or witnessed a UFO.

"There were about twenty of us standing outside of a little restaurant, I believe, a high school lunch room, and a kind of green light appeared in the western sky. This was right after sundown. It got brighter and brighter. And then it eventually disappeared. It didn't have any solid substance to it, it was just a very peculiar-looking light. None of us could understand what it was."
Speaking in a 2005 interview, Carter states:
"all of a sudden, one of the men looked up and said, 'Look, over in the west!' And there was a bright light in the sky. We all saw it. And then the light, it got closer and closer to us. And then it stopped, I don't know how far away, but it stopped beyond the pine trees. And all of a sudden it changed color to blue, and then it changed to red, then back to white. And we were trying to figure out what in the world it could be, and then it receded into the distance."

Jimmy Carter UFO incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul Hellyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov tells about his "First Contact" with ET's - Ashtar Command - Spiritual Community Network

'I believe in UFOs - and I've seen them', says ex-defence minister Paul Hellyer | Mail Online

Nick Pope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could post links all day long.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Eisenhower wasn't the only U.S president or high ranking military or political figure to have made some kind of contact or witnessed a UFO.

My son saw a UFO. And I believe him. Want to know why? It's because I know he didn't identify it. What he saw was probably an airplane or a helicopter, but it is technically an Unidentified Flying Object UFO by virtue of it not being identified.

From your first link, regarding the "Jimmy Carter UFO Incident", it says:

"Carter does not think that it was an alien spacecraft".

Understand what this means? One of the witnesses doesn't even believe the alleged UFO space craft is an alien spacecraft! Yet people who didn't see it do believe it was a UFO.

As your links have demonstrated, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and testimonials suggesting that people have seen things in the sky which they have not been able to identify. This, however, is not scientific evidence that aliens have ever visited our planet in flying saucers! All it is is proof that people have seen things that they have not been able to identify.

Originally Posted by bravo75

I could post links all day long.

I'm sure you could, and I could do the same regarding sightings of Jesus, Waldo, Bigfoot, etc... but the plural of anecdote is not data.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

My son saw a UFO. And I believe him. Want to know why? It's because I know he didn't identify it. What he saw was probably an airplane or a helicopter, but it is technically an Unidentified Flying Object UFO by virtue of it not being identified.

From your first link, regarding the "Jimmy Carter UFO Incident", it says:

Understand what this means? One of the witnesses doesn't even believe the alleged UFO space craft is an alien spacecraft! Yet people who didn't see it do believe it was a UFO.

As your links have demonstrated, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and testimonials suggesting that people have seen things in the sky which they have not been able to identify. This, however, is not scientific evidence that aliens have ever visited our planet in flying saucers! All it is is proof that people have seen things that they have not been able to identify.

I'm sure you could, and I could do the same regarding sightings of Jesus, Waldo, Bigfoot, etc... but the plural of anecdote is not data.

I agree with you. I appreciate well constructed posts like yours. I am not really debating whether ET's/UFO's exist or not. I personally believe they do.
It just irks me when all the smart-arses come out of the woodwork and start insulting the OP's intelligence by making pathetic comments.
It's like a ****ing "who-can-make-the-most-demeaning-let's-****-with-the-OP" comment competition.
Hope OP's reading this. I'm sticking up for you here, mate.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

I agree with you. I appreciate well constructed posts like yours. I am not really debating whether ET's/UFO's exist or not. I personally believe they do.
It just irks me when all the smart-arses come out of the woodwork and start insulting the OP's intelligence by making pathetic comments.
It's like a ****ing "who-can-make-the-most-demeaning-let's-****-with-the-OP" comment competition.
Hope OP's reading this. I'm sticking up for you here, mate.

I don't see that anyone in this thread is being harsh or demeaning to the OP. I see that some people are having fun with the topic of alien visitors. Not everyone takes this seriously you know.

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

I don't see that anyone in this thread is being harsh or demeaning to the OP. I see that some people are having fun with the topic of alien visitors. Not everyone takes this seriously you know.

It's not just this thread. If religious topics were aloud here, I wouldn't jump on every religious thread and do my best to try to turn it into a laughing stock.
If you don't believe in something, fine. Don't be a smart arse about it.

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12 years ago

I happen to believe in the possibility of extraterrestrials and UFOs.. have no idea if a US president ever met with aliens or not but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure I trust an article from the Mail on the subject.

What surprises me is we can discuss UFOs but not religion or politics. After all, if people don't like or agree with a thread, they can (and should) always avoid it.

Originally Posted by bravo75

It's not just this thread. If religious topics were aloud here, I wouldn't jump on every religious thread and do my best to try to turn it into a laughing stock.
If you don't believe in something, fine. Don't be a smart arse about it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by dgridley

What surprises me is we can discuss UFOs but not religion or politics. After all, if people don't like or agree with a thread, they can (and should) always avoid it.

It's pretty pointless to have "discussions" about things when everyone agrees. Also - it's hard to get a whole forum full of people to totally agree on anything. Religion and politics only got ex'd because some people get absolutely volatile over the subjects.

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highhopes

12 years ago

This information has been seen here before...the duke of Edinburgh believed in the existence of Aliens, no doubt he had access to information the general public did not have at that time

Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley's Alleged Close Encounter with an alien.
He was an intelligent man with a position of high command, also, equerry to Princess Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh

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Originally Posted by highhopes

no doubt he had access to information the general public did not have at that time

Seriously?

You genuinely have "no doubt" about that?

Perhaps you haven't read any of the leading political biographies/autobiographies of the time, some of which discuss the many lengths the establishment went to, to try (often unsuccessfully) to conceal from him even some information to which the general public did have relatively free access?!

But how very easy it must be to satisfy you, if you can honestly have "no doubt" about something like that on which there's clearly a very well-informed consensus of opinion suggesting that you may be mistaken ...

Originally Posted by highhopes

He was an intelligent man with a position of high command, also, equerry to Princess Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh

Oh well, that settles it, then: no "equerry to the British royal family" has ever been mistaken about anything, natch: I mean, that would be a blatant contradiction in terms, wouldn't it? After all, you don't get to be an equerry without having at least a doctorate in Cosmology. Yes, these people are clearly real experts, and we should all accept their judgements unquestioningly, especially - of course - if they happen to agree with our own pre-existing perspectives ...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Seriously?

You genuinely have "no doubt" about that?

Perhaps you haven't read any of the leading political biographies/autobiographies of the time, some of which discuss the many lengths the establishment went to, to try (often unsuccessfully) to conceal from him even some information to which the general public did have relatively free access?!

But how very easy it must be to satisfy you, if you can honestly have "no doubt" about something like that on which there's clearly a very well-informed consensus of opinion suggesting that you may be mistaken ...

Oh well, that settles it, then: no "equerry to the British royal family" has ever been mistaken about anything, natch: I mean, that would be a blatant contradiction in terms, wouldn't it? After all, you don't get to be an equerry without having at least a doctorate in Cosmology. Yes, these people are clearly real experts, and we should all accept their judgements unquestioningly, especially - of course - if they happen to agree with our own pre-existing perspectives ...

It really does not matter to me you have a different viewpoint Alexa....good, at least it shows we have good grounds for a debate.
After all If I am persuaded to believe in this on the basis of the countless sightings from individuals and government officials, that is ok. Likewise if you choose not to believe on the basis of contrary opinion from other individuals and or experts, that`s fine too.

I think my opinion was based on actually witnessing a ufo in full daylight. Together with other people standing there in my local supermarket car par, we witnessed this silver shaped object just hovering in the sky, not moving. It was not any form of aircraft, balloon, that i have seen before. We were all amazed ( just a handful of us)
OK, you may laugh and ridicule but up until then I was on the fence.

A few days later this report was announced on local TV news.

Wales UFO sightings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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12 years ago

Oh forgot to mention this event with the airport took place same time, same area where i witnessed the ufo....wikipedia reference

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12 years ago

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12 years ago

How original.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

How original.

LOL! A provocative book I often recommend as a point of interest reflective of UFO origins in the Cold War espionage motive is discussed rather assertively in "Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base" authored by Annie Jacobsen. It was published in May 2011, and currently available on Amazon. This apparently was the most successful hoax in history and is still a self-perpetuating and powerful coverup today for the continuing research in advanced aircraft technology. But, of course there are still many unanswered questions up in the air.

The UFO hoax is perhaps the best design in Cold War intrigue, espionage, disinformation, and propaganda which continues to obscure the most impressive feats of aeronautical engineering that have ever been accomplished in history. It worked far beyond all imagination of its propagators, because even now no one really "knows" ... for sure. It effectively capitalizes on imaginations of large segments of the population who persistently believe in anecdotal "alien visitations" without any shred of evidence. The "testimonies" continue to pile up, but that's about all.

Consider also the cover story of the November 2000 issue of Popular Mechanics, entitled 'Air Force's Nuclear Flying Saucer'. According to the article, the proposed Lenticular Reentry Vehicle (LRV) was 40 feet in diameter, 90 inches thick at the center. It was part of the black budget, classified as secret on Dec. 12, 1962, and remained classified until May 1999. Thereafter, the Department of Defense successfully sought to have the documents distribution restricted to defense contractors. Nonetheless, PM obtained its copy of the documents as a result of a Freedom of Information Act Request.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

LOL! A provocative book I often recommend as a point of interest reflective of UFO origins in the Cold War espionage motive is discussed rather assertively in "Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base" authored by Annie Jacobsen. It was published in May 2011, and currently available on Amazon. This apparently was the most successful hoax in history and is still a self-perpetuating and powerful coverup today for the continuing research in advanced aircraft technology. But, of course there are still many unanswered questions up in the air.

The UFO hoax is perhaps the best design in Cold War intrigue, espionage, disinformation, and propaganda which continues to obscure the most impressive feats of aeronautical engineering that have ever been accomplished in history. It worked far beyond all imagination of its propagators, because even now no one really "knows" ... for sure. It effectively capitalizes on imaginations of large segments of the population who persistently believe in anecdotal "alien visitations" without any shred of evidence.

Consider also the cover story of the November 2000 issue of Popular Mechanics, entitled 'Air Force's Nuclear Flying Saucer'. According to the article, the proposed Lenticular Reentry Vehicle (LRV) was 40 feet in diameter, 90 inches thick at the center. It was part of the black budget, classified as secret on Dec. 12, 1962, and remained classified until May 1999. Thereafter, the Department of Defense successfully sought to have the documents distribution restricted to defense contractors. Nonetheless, PM obtained its copy of the documents as a result of a Freedom of Information Act Request.

LOL.
The book, based on interviews with scientists and engineers who worked in Area 51, addresses the Roswell UFO incident and dismisses the alien story. Instead, it suggests that Josef Mengele was recruited by the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin to produce "grotesque, child-size aviators" to be remotely piloted and landed in America to cause hysteria in the likeness of Orson Welles' 1938 radio drama War of the Worlds, but that the aircraft crashed and the incident was hushed up by the Americans.

WTF? If that book is your point of interest, then I'm not surprised you don't believe in the alien agenda. You're reading the wrong stuff.
Annie Jacobsen is nothing but a deranged shill.

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

I'm not surprised you don't believe in the alien agenda. You're reading the wrong stuff.

Show me the right stuff to read about the alien agenda.

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Show me the right stuff to read about the alien agenda.

I don't know, I find a lot of the ancient texts (especially the Indian Vimana documentations) a lot more interesting than any of the Area 51 and cold war stuff.

Ezekiel 1:4 (NIV)

I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north--an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal

Ezekiel 1:5 (NIV)

and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man

Ezekiel 1:6 (NIV)

but each of them had four faces and four wings.

Ezekiel 1:7 (NIV)

Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze.

Ezekiel 1:8 (NIV)

Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings,

Ezekiel 1:9 (NIV)

and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

Ezekiel 1:10 (NIV)

Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.

Ezekiel 1:11 (NIV)

Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body.

Ezekiel 1:12 (NIV)

Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went.

Ezekiel 1:13 (NIV)

The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it.

Ezekiel 1:14 (NIV)

The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

Ezekiel 1:15 (NIV)

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.

Ezekiel 1:16-21 (NIV)

This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

Vimana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

I don't know, I find a lot of the ancient texts (especially the Indian Vimana documentations) a lot more interesting than any of the Area 51 and cold war stuff.

Interesting maybe, but trustworthy?

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Interesting maybe, but trustworthy?

Well, the last time I checked, the bible, Bagvadhgita, Koran etc. are the most important texts in humanity. I think they should be credited with a certain degree of trustworthiness.

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Well, the last time I checked, the bible, Bagvadhgita, Koran etc. are the most important texts in humanity. I think they should be credited with a certain degree of trustworthiness.

Those are not proof of any alien visitation, nor of any alien "agenda". You may also find this book to be of interest "Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times" by Jacques Vallee. It's available on Amazon. The bottom line is that "alien visitations" is not the only explanation of these events; we often filter such sightings through our own cultural lens or beliefs while ignoring common sense or even facts themselves. In context of this thread, this phenomena is why propaganda and psyops has been especially so spectacularly effective during the Cold War and beyond as a cover for advanced aeronautical research.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Those are not proof of any alien visitation, nor of any alien "agenda". You may also find this book to be of interest "Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times" by Jacques Vallee. It's available on Amazon. The bottom line is that "alien visitations" is not the only explanation of these events; we often filter such sightings through our own cultural lens or beliefs while ignoring common sense or even facts themselves.

My post wasn't meant to be proof. It's just stuff that fascinates me personally. I have read so much stuff on the topic over the last 20 years or so that I not only believe "they" have been visiting us for eons but are actually our creators.

But that's just me.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

My post wasn't meant to be proof. It's just stuff that fascinates me personally. I have read so much stuff on the topic over the last 20 years or so that I not only believe "they" have been visiting us for eons but are actually our creators.

But that's just me.

Are you a Scientologist by any chance?

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Are you a Scientologist by any chance?

No. Tell you the truth, I don't really know very much about Scientology. I believe in the bible but I think it has been grossly misinterpreted.

I'm not really, you know, anything. This just happens to be a topic that really interests me.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

No. Tell you the truth, I don't really know very much about Scientology. I believe in the bible but I think it has been grossly misinterpreted.

I'm not really, you know, anything. This just happens to be a topic that really interests me.

I see. The reason I asked is because, as you may already know, the Scientologists believe something along the lines that humans were created by aliens.

I wonder if they believe that the aliens also created all other living things like trees, and bacteria.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

I see. The reason I asked is because, as you may already know, the Scientologists believe something along the lines that humans were created by aliens.

I wonder if they believe that the aliens also created all other living things like trees, and bacteria.

As I said, I haven't got a clue about Scientology except that Tom Cruise is big time into it. LOL. I wouldn't be surprised though, if they held the belief that every life form was engineered by God. Not a God like the church would like us to believe but a God that exists in a different universe.

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Originally Posted by bravo75

My post wasn't meant to be proof. It's just stuff that fascinates me personally.

Me too.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ted-haarp.html
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  Originally Posted by myob
  
  Me too.
  
  http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ted-haarp.html
  
  Without even clicking the link, wasn't that the one about the giant green fish UFO's attacking earth?
  
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  Originally Posted by bravo75
  
  http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ted-haarp.html
  Without even clicking the link, wasn't that the one about the giant green fish UFO's attacking earth?
  
  These are actually benefactors from the Intergalactic Federation, due to arrive in time before 12/21/2012 to save the earth from extinction as was precisely calculated by Mayan astronomers.
  
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Dave Patterson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

My post wasn't meant to be proof. It's just stuff that fascinates me personally. I have read so much stuff on the topic over the last 20 years or so that I not only believe "they" have been visiting us for eons but are actually our creators.

But that's just me.

But what if "they" are just a little speck, just as you may be just a little speck, in the whole of the Universal Consciousness....?

If my right ear suddenly became aware of the little toe on my left foot, so what? But what if my right ear started directing it's energies to trying to point it out and prove it's existence to it's "brother" ear (who doesn't really give a rats ass because it's too busy performing it's INTENDED function..)

Would that not throw off the synch of the "whole"?

And on another note....does anyone else think the Dr. may have overdid it with the steroids he gave me?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Those are not proof of any alien visitation, nor of any alien "agenda". You may also find this book to be of interest "Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times" by Jacques Vallee. It's available on Amazon. The bottom line is that "alien visitations" is not the only explanation of these events; we often filter such sightings through our own cultural lens or beliefs while ignoring common sense or even facts themselves. In context of this thread, this phenomena is why propaganda and psyops has been especially so spectacularly effective during the Cold War and beyond as a cover for advanced aeronautical research.

It`s true most things can be explained by natural scientific means.... UFO sightings etc.
But get off your pedestal for a moment, listen to the people who have been in the front line for the USA government and other governments who have been privileged to have had first hand knowledge and access to the subject about the existence of alien technology.

Here is a synopsis of Dr Steven Greer`s " Disclosure Project" Press conference.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Take your time, look at the full youtube version. Then call these people liars!

Many military and government key people have come forward to state the existence of extra terrestrials.
People need to wake up and get their heads out of the sand.

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

.. get off your pedestal for a moment, listen to the people who have been in the front line for the USA government and other governments who have been privileged to have had first hand knowledge and access to the subject about the existence of alien technology.

Here is a synopsis of Dr Steven Greer`s " Disclosure Project" Press conference. ...

LOL! Dr Steven Greer is a physician and amateur promoter of UFO lore. He founded the Orion Project and the Disclosure Project to the great delight of UFO enthusisasts everwhere. Besides offering group hugs for "alien contactees" there was little substance beyond unsubstantiated anecdotes by devotees. This "Dr" Greer was derided by the National Press Club and the scientific community, because there is no convincing evidence for the speculation that UFOs are alien spacecraft. Overwhelming evidence shows all of this technology is from earthlings. Nice try on putting him and Youtube on the same pedestal as a credible source. Try again. :rolleyes:

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highhopes

12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

LOL! Dr Steven Greer is a physician and amateur promoter of UFO lore. He founded the Orion Project and the Disclosure Project to the great delight of UFO enthusisasts everwhere. Besides offering group hugs for "alien contactees" there was little substance beyond unsubstantiated anecdotes by devotees. This "Dr" Greer was derided by the National Press Club and the scientific community, because there is no convincing evidence for the speculation that UFOs are alien spacecraft. Overwhelming evidence shows all of this technology is from earthlings. Nice try on putting him and Youtube on the same pedestal as a credible source. Try again. :rolleyes:

Eyes they have but they cannot see, ears they have but they cannot hear mouths they have but they cannot speak...those following them become just like them! ....it looks like the powers that be have you cocooned in a state of denial....it`s what they want...only the weak and fearful remain in a state of denial my friend.

Mainstream media coverage of the group mostly centered around a 2001 conference at the National Press Club which was described by an attending BBC reporter as the strangest he had ever seen. Greer convened the conference with more than 100 other contactees offering testimony. Among the contactees were "...about 20 former government workers, many of them military and security officials, who stepped forward...and called for congressional hearings about such sightings." Such arguments were met with by derision by skeptics and spokespeople for the U. S. Air Force who maintain that there is no convincing evidence for the speculation that UFOs are alien spacecraft.
OF COURSE THEY WILL!
there are over 300 witnesses as far as the Greer interest is concerned, mostly from government and military. WAKE up!

Only 10 years ago they thought the only matter that existed out in the universe was the physical planets , stars, etc....now they ar sure 90% of matter is invisible....how strange.

We here on planet earth, this spec of dust suspended in space and the tiny life forms on this planet is the only life form in existence right?????

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

We here on planet earth, this spec of dust suspended in space and the tiny life forms on this planet is the only life form in existence right?????

The probability of extraterrestrial life forms is astronomical, but there really is not any spec of evidence showing aliens driving around in UFOs. Where is the proof of Mr Timothy Good's claim that aliens have made contact with thousands of people, including Eisenhower and Churchill? He also claims governments around the world have been in contact with aliens for decades. It appears President Obama could use some extraterrestrial assistance right about now. Perhaps Dr Greer may have some alien contact information to provide him with. :rolleyes:

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

The probability of extraterrestrial life forms is astronomical, but there really is not any spec of evidence showing aliens driving around in UFOs. Where is the proof of Mr Good's claim that aliens have made contact with thousands of people? :rolleyes:

What amuses me is that, just like Hollywood's portrayal of aliens, the "aliens" that people "see" on earth are almost always anthropomorphic looking humanoid type creatures. It's as if man has created these aliens "in his own image".

I think if we find life out there, my guess would be that we'd be much less likely to find life that resembles the specially evolved vertebrates or hominids on earth, and much more likely to find something much different, or even microscopic bacteria like organisms. But I doubt that microbes would be able to produce and pilot a trans-galactic spacecraft.

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highhopes

12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

The probability of extraterrestrial life forms is astronomical, but there really is not any spec of evidence showing aliens driving around in UFOs. Where is the proof of Mr Timothy Good's claim that aliens have made contact with thousands of people, including Eisenhower and Churchill? He also claims governments around the world have been in contact with aliens for decades. It appears President Obama could use some extraterrestrial assistance right about now. Perhaps Dr Greer may have some alien contact information to provide him with. :rolleyes:

you must be more aware with what is going on....only the USA have an embargo on the subject of Aliens / UFO`s
Every European country , Please listen to the Fox news report. Mexico military released these pictures.
Please don't put your blinkers on!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The chances are you will not get evidence....but keep watching the sky

They have always visited the earth, prominent people recorded their experiences.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

My personal feeling they have an agenda for mankind and i think their motives are malevolent.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Well, the last time I checked, the bible, Bagvadhgita, Koran etc. are the most important texts in humanity. I think they should be credited with a certain degree of trustworthiness.

Those are all important books, agreed. But I disagree with the idea that those books are accurate records of history because of their importance.

Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell is an important book too, but I wouldn't trust it as a reliable source of information on events that took place in the year 1984.

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Those are all important books, agreed. But I disagree with the idea that those books are accurate records of history because of their importance.

Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell is an important book too, but I wouldn't trust it as a reliable source of information on events that took place in the year 1984.

Hmm, comparing 1984 to the Bible. I was under the impression that the holy book was supposed to be non - fictional.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Hmm, comparing 1984 to the Bible. I was under the impression that the holy book was supposed to be non - fictional.

Many people consider it so, and there's others who believe that many of the stories and accounts of things that happened in the bible are allegorical. Who knows for sure?

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Many people consider it so, and there's others who believe that many of the stories and accounts of things that happened in the bible are allegorical. Who knows for sure?

There is no doubt in my mind that account of things that happened in bible are allegorical. (had to google that word.)

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

I was under the impression that the holy book was supposed to be non - fictional.

Perhaps so, but you're also saying that we should credit it with "a certain degree of trustworthiness" (your words) for that reason: surely you can see that this is a completely circular argument? You're saying we should "credit" (believe) it because "it's non-fictional". What kind of "logic" is that?

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Perhaps so, but you're also saying that we should credit it with "a certain degree of trustworthiness" (your words) for that reason: surely you can see that this is a completely circular argument? You're saying we should "credit" (believe) it because "it's non-fictional". What kind of "logic" is that?

Alexa, I'm not saying anyone should believe it. Just trying to stress the point that the bible is considered by many to be the ultimate book of authority. The truth and nothing but the truth. Definitely not my opinion.
It's hardly considered to be a science fiction novel though, is it?

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Alexa, I'm not saying anyone should believe it.

You said that we should credit it with "trustworthiness". Indeed, your argument rested on that.
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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Perhaps so, but you're also saying that we should credit it with "a certain degree of trustworthiness" (your words) for that reason: surely you can see that this is a completely circular argument? You're saying we should "credit" (believe) it because "it's non-fictional". What kind of "logic" is that?

I am saying the holy texts are considered extremely "trustworthy" sources by Billions of people.

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highhopes 12 years ago

Her book was researched for the evidence of her claims:

Let's start with the flying saucer, which Jacobsen ascribes to German aeronautical engineers Walter and Reimar Horten. It's a fact that before and during the war, the Horten brothers built a series of ever more sophisticated all-wing aircraft, culminating with the jet-powered Horten 229, a boomerang-shaped contrivance that bore a passing resemblance to Jack Northrop's YB-49 bomber prototype of the late '40s, as well as to the U.S. Air Force's much more recent B-2 Spirit stealth bomber.

Jacobsen writes that the brothers might have been at work on something more ambitious at war's end, and that the invading Soviets might have seized their blueprints. Within a few pages, she refers matter-of-factly to "the Horten brothers and their advanced flying saucer." Jacobsen cites postwar German sources who described and even sketched what she calls "saucer-like" craft. One was shaped like a half-moon, another, according to "Professor George," was "very much like a round cake with a large sector cut out."

We searched for evidence, finding none, that the brothers created a true flying saucer. (The book includes a photograph of the Hortens' Parabola, an all-wing, parenthesis-shaped craft with rounded edges; the photo is suggestive but its relevance to the story not explained.) We consulted with David Myhra, an aviation expert whose books include four on the Hortens, and who spent several weeks with Reimar Horten at his ranch in Argentina in the 1980s. "The Horten brothers never, ever went to any kind of a circular aircraft design," Myhra said. "There were no flying saucers in the Horten line, at all."

Jacobsen spoke with Myhra several times while writing Area 51. When Myhra read the book's claim about the Horten disc, he told us, "I thought, this is a piece of science fiction."

Read more: What Really Happened in Area 51? - Annie Jacobsen UFO Crash Roswell N.M. - Popular Mechanics
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rondo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Maybe your head is so ****ing brainwashed by religion that you think it is your duty to defend what you believe is the truth.
Either way, next time you see an alien thread and it's not your cup of tea, go and post your boring, unamusing and sarcastic drivel elsewhere.

On the contrary, many religious people are open minded about the existence of UFOs, aliens etc.
Once you believe in spirituality, as religious people do, then you are more likely to believe that pretty much anything is possible.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

I think it would be in your best interest to lighten up, Bravo.

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bravo75 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

I think it would be in your best interest to lighten up, Bravo.

You know what, man? You're right. I have been known to get a wild hair up my arse from time to time.
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12 years ago

Check out Robet Lazar on Youtube.

Fascinating stuff.

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12 years ago

piece of crap

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HeySal

12 years ago

Bravo - I know scientists who think that we are transplants from elsewhere - crossbred with planetary. There's DNA evidence that our DNA is not normal for this planet. There have also been metalic "devices" found enclosed in 500 mil year old rocks. How does a "man made" object get inside of a freakin' 500 mil year old rock? Lots of strange items found in coal beds encased in coal.

Scientists do not talk too loudly about findings because they meet with too much adversary when they do. Find something unexplainable and I can ruin your career if you push it too far.

But - it's the OT forum and people like to have fun here, so even if someone isn't overtly opposed to the idea of humans being populated here from elsewhere - they're still gonna get a good one-liner in if it comes to em. I've done it myself.

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bravo75

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Bravo - I know scientists who think that we are transplants from elsewhere - crossbred with planetary. There's DNA evidence that our DNA is not normal for this planet. There have also been metalic "devices" found enclosed in 500 mil year old rocks. How does a "man made" object get inside of a freakin' 500 mil year old rock? Lots of strange items found in coal beds encased in coal.

Scientists do not talk too loudly about findings because they meet with too much adversary when they do. Find something unexplainable and I can ruin your career if you push it too far.

But - it's the OT forum and people like to have fun here, so even if someone isn't overtly opposed to the idea of humans being populated here from elsewhere - they're still gonna get a good one-liner in if it comes to em. I've done it myself.

This is not necessarily about UFO, ET's. It could be about anything. Some of the so called open minded people on this and other forums piss me off with their sarcastic, tongue in cheek remarks as soon as something doesn't fit in with their world view.
The OP posted a link to an article that he deemed a worthy WF off topic thread.
As soon as I read the first few ubiquitous "all the aliens live in Texas" type comments, I got a wild hair up my @ss.
But hey, that was 5 or 6 hours ago. I've said my bit.

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12 years ago

I haven't met an alien but I am glad to.

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Dawn Wise

12 years ago

Why is it that whenever there is a UFO sighting, or a sighting of Elvis Presley, or of Big Foot, nobody has a decent camera with them?

I would hope that one day, a UFO, or big foot, or Jesus will appear in front of a skilled National Geographic photographer who is equipped with a quality camera with a good lens.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dawn Wise

Why is it that whenever there is a UFO sighting, or a sighting of Elvis Presley, or of Big Foot, nobody has a decent camera with them?

They do ... they do; in fact, some of those cameras are so "decent" that it turns out afterwards they've even apparently had things like "Photoshop" pre-loaded with the film ...
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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

Even aliens like Ike!!

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Kurt

12 years ago

Actually, the aliens made their first contact with Nixon, who was vice president to Ike at the time.

The aliens demanded gold, since gold is the best material for reflecting infrared light, which is emitted from stars and causes heat.

So when Nixon became president, he took us off the gold standard so he could give gold to aliens. This is why the vault at Ft. Knox is now empty.

This has all be kept secret because not only would the public knowing that Ft. Knox was empty would set off a finacial scare like we've never seen before, plus the fact that aliens where threatening us would add even more fear and panic.

Right?