Agave nectar

MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Isn't that stuff normally called Tequila'?

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ShayB

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Isn't that stuff normally called Tequila'?

Hahahahaha!

No, it's a sugar substitute. It's supposed to be better than refined sugar, in some aspects, but has some side effects for high usage.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

Hahahahaha!

No, it's a sugar substitute. It's supposed to be better than refined sugar, in some aspects, but has some side effects for high usage.

Well, they don't call it Tequila' (to-kill-ya) for nothing!

(if you go with mescal con guzano, lemon, and salt...you almost have all 4 food groups!)

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ThomM

12 years ago

I used it all last summer in place of honey in my ACV/water drink.
I drank what amounted to four tablespoons a day of it with no ill effects that I noticed.
I'll probably go back to it when I want a change from just ACV and water.
I still use sugar, I just go with Florida Crystals now which is a less refined and organic. It is also the brand of Agave Nectar I used.
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ThomM

12 years ago

I'm sorry I forgot to actually answer your question

It is bad for you in the sense that it is highly refined and has more concentrated fructose then high fructose corn syrup.
But it does taste good

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ShayB

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I used it all last summer in place of honey in my ACV/water drink.
I drank what amounted to four tablespoons a day of it with no ill effects that I noticed.
I'll probably go back to it when I want a change from just ACV and water.
I still use sugar, I just go with Florida Crystals now which is a less refined and organic. It is also the brand of Agave Nectar I used.
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Originally Posted by ThomM

I'm sorry I forgot to actually answer your question

It is bad for you in the sense that it is highly refined and has more concentrated fructose then high fructose corn syrup.
But it does taste good

Well, so much for my wanting to use it to help with my dieting.

*goes to go check out the Florida Crystals thingie*

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I used it all last summer in place of honey in my ACV/water drink.
I drank what amounted to four tablespoons a day of it with no ill effects that I noticed.
I'll probably go back to it when I want a change from just ACV and water.
I still use sugar, I just go with Florida Crystals now which is a less refined and organic. It is also the brand of Agave Nectar I used.
Florida Crystals : Home

Since you brought ACV up Thom, you speak of using that regularly, and I noticed ACV has an expiration date on it...if past that date...does it lose any marked effectiveness?
Or is it just a matter of taste or freshness?

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Since you brought ACV up Thom, you speak of using that regularly, and I noticed ACV has an expiration date on it...if past that date...does it lose any marked effectiveness?
Or is it just a matter of taste or freshness?

Don't know 3m, it doesn't last long around here.
I just went out and checked the bottle I just bought.
It says best if used before Oct. 11, 2016.
I go through a qt. bottle in around 7 days.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Don't know 3m, it doesn't last long around here.
I just went out and checked the bottle I just bought.
It says best if used before Oct. 11, 2016.
I go through a qt. bottle in around 7 days.

Wow! A Qt. @ 2 tbl spoons every now and then, has lasted me a looong time!
Maybe I'm not using it enough!

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ThomM 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Wow! A Qt. @ 2 tbl spoons every now and then, has lasted me a looong time!
Maybe I'm not using it enough!

It depends on what you are trying to accomplish drinking it and if the amount you are drinking is doing that.
I spent a life time beating up my body.
So I tend to drink more ACV then what is recommended.
Right now I do a min. of four 16oz. bottles of spring water a day with 2T. of vinegar in each one, many days I drink 6 of those.
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maree

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Since you brought ACV up Thom, you speak of using that regularly, and I noticed ACV has an expiration date on it...if past that date...does it lose any marked effectiveness?
Or is it just a matter of taste or freshness?

What's ACV??
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ThomM 12 years ago

Originally Posted by maree

What's ACV??
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Apple Cider Vinegar
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- ShayB 12 years ago
  
  I've decided to go with alternating honey and Florida Crystals.
  
  Honey has a weird aftertaste to me sometimes.
  
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  ThomM 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ShayRockhold
  
  I've decided to go with alternating honey and Florida Crystals.
  
  Honey has a weird aftertaste to me sometimes.
  
  I already mentioned this, but I'm a fan of Florida Crystals myself.
  
  There's really only one thing I use sugar in, and that's coffee. I've stopped drinking sodas and sweet tea, and I've dropped 17 pounds so far
  
  I think you can tell by that statement Shay that you don't have to give up sugar entirely, just use in moderation.
  I stopped drinking soda a couple of years ago and now I can't stand the taste of it. I mean soda is some nasty tasting stuff.
  Sweet teas is a different story. Being in New York, it's not as common (or good) as it is where you are, so not drinking it here isn't a problem.
  But whenever I go south, it's on
  I'm pretty sure that if I stayed in Fl. I'd be a fat diabetic by now and it would all be because of sweet tea
  
  So anyway congratulations Shay on dropping the weight and choosing to eat healthier.
  
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  I'm pretty sure that if I stayed in Fl. I'd be a fat diabetic by now and it would all be because of sweet tea
  
  But sweet tea is THE necessary ingredient needed to clearly see the true meaning of life while sitting on the porch at sunset on a hot August afternoon in the South...
  
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HeySal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

Okay, HeySal said I needed to visit the basement, so here I am!

There's really only one thing I use sugar in, and that's coffee. I've stopped drinking sodas and sweet tea, and I've dropped 17 pounds so far.

I have some agave nectar, and I like the taste. I'd like to use it in place of sugar all the time, but I've read that there are some side effects to it.

Anyone else use this stuff?

17 lbs? So that is why the difference in the avatar. You look great.

As far as agave nectar, I have no clue. The only safe sources of sugar I know of are stevia and honey. Agave may be one as well, but I'd research it well before making a decision about whether to use it or not. As far as other sugar substitutes? I will stick to real sugar. It's not all that good for you - and can be disastrous in huge amounts, but not nearly as much so as some of that concocted crap they sell as "sugar substitutes" such as aspartame. Got to be crazy or just completely clueless to eat that crap.

I'd say just do some deep research on it - find out what those side effects are and if you detect any of them, stop using the stuff immediately - or if they are hardcore enough, just use something else to start with. Stevia is pricey, but it is safe. Other than that, I guess we just have to develop sincere dislike for the sensation of sweetness. Being a sugar cookie and cheesecake addict, I doubt I'll be managing that one in the too near future.

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ShayB

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

17 lbs? So that is why the difference in the avatar. You look great.

As far as agave nectar, I have no clue. The only safe sources of sugar I know of are stevia and honey. Agave may be one as well, but I'd research it well before making a decision about whether to use it or not. As far as other sugar substitutes? I will stick to real sugar. It's not all that good for you - and can be disastrous in huge amounts, but not nearly as much so as some of that concocted crap they sell as "sugar substitutes" such as aspartame. Got to be crazy or just completely clueless to eat that crap.

I'd say just do some deep research on it - find out what those side effects are and if you detect any of them, stop using the stuff immediately - or if they are hardcore enough, just use something else to start with. Stevia is pricey, but it is safe. Other than that, I guess we just have to develop sincere dislike for the sensation of sweetness. Being a sugar cookie and cheesecake addict, I doubt I'll be managing that one in the too near future.

*blushes* Thank you. The old avatar was 6 years old. I took a pic a few weeks ago and was surprised at how it turned out, so I used it.

Someone said to me that this avi looks 5 years younger than the last one! (Yes, I blushed and thanked him profusely!)

I think I might just start using honey in my coffee. I love the taste, anyway.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

I put 2T in an 8-ounce or smaller glass, but I don't mind the taste of cider vinegar...should it be more diluted?

I've also read it is good to just sip it throughout the day...what's your take on that Thom?

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pinewater

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

I put 2T in an 8-ounce or smaller glass, but I don't mind the taste of cider vinegar...should it be more diluted?

I've also read it is good to just sip it throughout the day...what's your take on that Thom?

apple cider vinegar, organic with the mother - i add a few drops per glass for flavor. i also use lemon juice. will get lime for variety. can also mix it up with carbonated water.

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pinewater

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

I put 2T in an 8-ounce or smaller glass, but I don't mind the taste of cider vinegar...should it be more diluted?

I've also read it is good to just sip it throughout the day...what's your take on that Thom?

i add a splash of organic apple cider vinegar with the mother to water for taste. also use lemon and lime juice to water and carbonated water for variety.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

I put 2T in an 8-ounce or smaller glass, but I don't mind the taste of cider vinegar...should it be more diluted?

I've also read it is good to just sip it throughout the day...what's your take on that Thom?

No that's fine. When I first started drinking ACV it was to get rid of the rheumatoid arthritis I had in both my thumbs. I drank three 8oz. waters with 2T. of vinegar in each of them till I could use my thumbs again (about two weeks) then I went to 2T. in 16oz. of water. I have a friend that just takes a swig out of the bottle 3 times a day.
Most of the year, except for winter, I sip it through out the day. I'm more active outdoors so I drink more water to stay hydrated. Since I think water is bland I always have ACV in it

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pinewater

12 years ago

if you're serious about health, there is no such thing as a safe sweetener. even xylitol, stevia is not exempt. the sweet reaction acts on the brain and results in neurological consequences. i trust this doesn't harsh your mellow. the history of sugar has been that it was a rare commodity and only recent history shows marked increase in the diet. many people don't use their other tastes ie bitter and their taste receptors for sweetness are over stimulated.

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HeySal

12 years ago

I'm a swigger. I really don't care for ACV so I just take it like medicine. I also swig lemon juice - there's a lot in lemon juice that is pretty darned good for ya, too - and that I will put in my water sometimes. Generally though, it's a swig of this or that, get it down and working, and drink the water plain.

Pinewater - I'd love to argue with you 'cause I like's my sweets. But I can't argue because you are basically right. I do believe that honey is an exception though - if you like honey. I don't like it except on biscuits, but I make biscuits just to get my honey. Of course, when I say honey - I mean organic. Even honey gets *******ized in the manufacturing process.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I'm a swigger. I really don't care for ACV so I just take it like medicine. I also swig lemon juice - there's a lot in lemon juice that is pretty darned good for ya, too - and that I will put in my water sometimes. Generally though, it's a swig of this or that, get it down and working, and drink the water plain.

Pinewater - I'd love to argue with you 'cause I like's my sweets. But I can't argue because you are basically right. I do believe that honey is an exception though - if you like honey. I don't like it except on biscuits, but I make biscuits just to get my honey. Of course, when I say honey - I mean organic. Even honey gets *******ized in the manufacturing process.

You do the ACV like John (as in John and Laurie)

I've been doing a lot of reading about lemon juice and it does have a lot going for it. Naturally fresh squeezed is best.
I'm the same with sweets. I know they are bad for you and all, but they taste good and I like them.

Some stuff I eliminate, some I moderate.

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LarryC

12 years ago

According to Dr. Mercola, agave is worse than high fructose corn syrup.

Shocking! This 'Tequila' Sweetener is Far Worse than High Fructose Corn Syrup

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Joe Mobley

12 years ago

Treat yourself. Use sugar.

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Okay, HeySal said I needed to visit the basement, so here I am!

There's really only one thing I use sugar in, and that's coffee. I've stopped drinking sodas and sweet tea, and I've dropped 17 pounds so far.

I have some agave nectar, and I like the taste. I'd like to use it in place of sugar all the time, but I've read that there are some side effects to it.

Anyone else use this stuff?

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HeySal

12 years ago

Never heard of Florida Crystals - but I agree that honey has an after taste. In fact it also has an immediate one that I really don't particularly care for. If you bury it in something like a cookie it's not bad, though.

As for sugar though, I eat a lot more than I should. Don't have a weight problem, but it's still not great for the health anyway. There, however, is nothing on this earth that will drive me from sugar cookie family night or a good cheesecake - and I mean a cheesecake, not just a slice. If your gonna eat junk, might as well eat it all in one sitting, eh? LOL.

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kitzlerqo

12 years ago

There is a sugar alternative that is healthy, its called coco sugar. sugar made from coconut extract and it can do wonders for those who are in a diet and those who have high sugar levels in their bloodstream or borderline diabetics.

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jessiepadgal

12 years ago

As a vegan, I generally use agave nectar instead of sugar...sugar is often bleached with bone char.

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The 13th Warrior

12 years ago

Pure Date Sugar , from dried dates, if you can find it.

Maple Syrup or Dried Maple syrup.

Pure Agave.

"IF" any of these have a negative effect, it would be because the particular product is made from hybridized plants or hybridization, because if it is wild, its good for you and the most safest of all.

Some guy took 2 teaspoons or tablespoons of honey per day and died of a sugar attack.

Honey is no good for you, because the majority of bees themselves have been hybridized, laboratory made. "REAL HONEY and REAL BEES are wild, they are small as the tiniest fly and ONLY make enough honey that may fill up a pint all year, just like natural plants that ONLY produce fruits once a year..., this is UNACCEPTABLE by profiteers...., besides...,people eat for TASTE, anyhow, NOT for health or nutrition, so Agriculture produce the products that people are most likely to buy, so it is pretty much a moot point, anyhow.

Sugar has been bleached and God knows what else in the process. And for those who say they use pure cane, unprocessed sugar or cane juice, well, the sugar cane is an artificial grass, another hybridized laboratory made plant.

Another fallacy is corn. There is NO SUCH thing as "Organic Corn", because corn is a man-made plant..., again.., people regurgitate "acceptable" information from experts, like, Aztecs, Mayans, ancient Indians and the like eating corn and all that nonsense, when the fact is , they DID NOT eat corn, they ate something called in Spanish, TIOSENTE, a WILD GRASS with kernals, has 000.00% Starch.

It also produces only once a year, not good for Agriculture business and profits, again.

Folks, it is just that simple..., KNOW the difference between what is FACTUALLY produced by Mother Nature and what is produced by man, there will be worlds of difference to any health or disease issues.

Most people and scientist base the definition, safety and benefit of food on the examples of people being able to live near to 100 years consuming certain foods.....,well, that is a faulty hypothesis simply because there are people who smoke, drink and do whatever they want to their health and still live to a 100 and beyond, so throw that bases out the window with the baby and the bath water......,

...........especially since most patients and consumers of food "OUT LIVE" their Doctor, Botanist, Nutritionist and Health practitioner, anyhow.

Despite popular belief and practice, scientist are NOT smarter than Mother Nature.

Any Botanical product of Mother Nature, UNTOUCHED by man, meaning, that it has not been hybridized or put together in a laboratory, that is edible for human consumption, contains 000.00% Carbonic Acid, better known as Starch, zero.

And it usually has a ph above 7, period.

Remember, profit, sales and mass production ,RULES.

In this day, it is not a matter of belief or disbelief, facts, fiction or hypothesis, people simply are going to gravitate to what they want, and define what they want as the criterion of truth, so believe who you will.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Another fallacy is corn. There is NO SUCH thing as "Organic Corn", because corn is a man-made plant..., again.., people regurgitate "acceptable" information from experts, like, Aztecs, Mayans, ancient Indians and the like eating corn and all that nonsense, when the fact is , they DID NOT eat corn, they ate something called in Spanish, TIOSENTE, a WILD GRASS with kernals, has 000.00% Starch.

That's pretty much a fallacy right there.
Corn was not made by man. The early corn which was a grass was improved upon through selective breeding and cultivation, same with damn near every vegetable you put in your mouth.
Do you think cauliflower, cabbage, and broccoli look the same as they did 1,000years ago? Look at wild cabbage and cultivated cabbage, which one are you going to eat. There are big differences between selective breeding and creating cultivars and 'man made' plants.
Selective breeding is something that is common in nature without man's intervention as well as something that can be done by man.

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The 13th Warrior

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

That's pretty much a fallacy right there.
Corn was not made by man. The early corn which was a grass was improved upon through selective breeding and cultivation, same with damn near every vegetable you put in your mouth.
Do you think cauliflower, cabbage, and broccoli look the same as they did 1,000years ago? Look at wild cabbage and cultivated cabbage, which one are you going to eat. There are big differences between selective breeding and creating cultivars and 'man made' plants.
Selective breeding is something that is common in nature without man's intervention as well as something that can be done by man.

No, what you have stated here is fallacy and theoretical science.

You and the institution or knowledge base you got or "will" get your premise from has no idea of the difference between something that is a product of Mother Nature and that which is laboratory made or cross-breeding species that would have NEVER, in nature, naturally mate.

Nor do your sources of science "theory" know the multitude of characteristics between a wild plant vs a cross-breeding plant or the ramifications of crossbreeding on the human anatomy, both long and short term effects.

You have mentioned the fact that you study in Agriculture college, but there is "inner" information in the knowledge you studied that even your professors and their professors and their teachers scantly know, though its right in front of your face.

For instance, there is something , that is supposed to be a product of Mother Nature, in both plant and mammals, that must be present to be defined as life, the basic elements of life. In order for anything to have life, that is , ORGANICALLY, it must have 3 elements: oxygen, carbon and hydrogen, like a burdock plant.

A carrot, a laboratory creation of the Portuguese maybe some odd hundreds of years ago consist of these basic elements: oxygen, hydrogen and Carbonic Acid.

Carbonic Acid can etch and eat away stone, like, they use to use for engraving tombstones, among its other industrial uses.

Example 2 is a Burdock plant can digest iron ore, like a piece of steel from a bridge, iron oxide, and convert it into iron phosphates, iron bromides, completely absorbent by the body and turn it into flesh, blood and other functions.

A carrot , as the opposite example, can only ABSORB water and sunlight, it CANNOT convert inorganic ore of ANY mineral into anything, at best, it absorbs the whatever mineral it normally absorbs into microscopic particles of that ore, thats it, so it is IMPOSSIBLE to get any nutrition from it to feed the body. You can fertilize the ground as much as you like.

The body will REJECT it, as the case when a Doctor prescribes iron pills to patients that have anemic problems, no matter how dire, they stop taking them within 2 or 3 days.

So you see, this is ONE reason, among others, why vegetarians/vegans don't look much better than their junk food counterparts, they may look and feel better by maybe 7-12 years longer than their junk food, meat eating counterparts.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

No, what you have stated here is fallacy and theoretical science.

You and the institution or knowledge base you got or "will" get your premise from has no idea of the difference between something that is a product of Mother Nature and that which is laboratory made or cross-breeding species that would have NEVER, in nature, naturally mate.

Nor do your sources of science "theory" know the multitude of characteristics between a wild plant vs a cross-breeding plant or the ramifications of crossbreeding on the human anatomy, both long and short term effects.

You have mentioned the fact that you study in Agriculture college, but there is "inner" information in the knowledge you studied that even your professors and their professors and their teachers scantly know, though its right in front of your face.

For instance, there is something , that is supposed to be a product of Mother Nature, in both plant and mammals, that must be present to be defined as life, the basic elements of life. In order for anything to have life, that is , ORGANICALLY, it must have 3 elements: oxygen, carbon and hydrogen, like a burdock plant.

A carrot, a laboratory creation of the Portuguese maybe some odd hundreds of years ago consist of these basic elements: oxygen, hydrogen and Carbonic Acid.

Carbonic Acid can etch and eat away stone, like, they use to use for engraving tombstones, among its other industrial uses.

Example 2 is a Burdock plant can digest iron ore, like a piece of steel from a bridge, iron oxide, and convert it into iron phosphates, iron bromides, completely absorbent by the body and turn it into flesh, blood and other functions.

A carrot , as the opposite example, can only ABSORB water and sunlight, it CANNOT convert inorganic ore of ANY mineral into anything, at best, it absorbs the whatever mineral it normally absorbs into microscopic particles of that ore, thats it, so it is IMPOSSIBLE to get any nutrition from it to feed the body. You can fertilize the ground as much as you like.

The body will REJECT it, as the case when a Doctor prescribes iron pills to patients that have anemic problems, no matter how dire, they stop taking them within 2 or 3 days.

So you see, this is ONE reason, among others, why vegetarians/vegans don't look much better than their junk food counterparts, they may look and feel better by maybe 7-12 years longer than their junk food, meat eating counterparts.

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So I'm suppose to believe you because you read something on the internet?
Seriously you have no idea.
What I stated is fact and not some theory.
In the wild the stronger plant will survive, that's not a theory, that's a fact.
Cultivars are simply the continuation of that stronger plant.
The carrot we eat started as a wild carrot (which there are plenty off around here) through selection of the plants with the biggest roots we have what we have today.
I've been involved with plants my entire life and have seen what I have mentioned played out many times in nature.
I've done more then my share of plant breeding.
Everything I've said is proven, both in the wild and in the field.
In other words it's how nature works.
So in addition to what I learned in college my information comes from observation and practical experience going back for 50+ years.
Where does your information come from?
Have you gone out and tried to duplicate what you learned in nature?
Or is nature and natural selection a fake also?

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The 13th Warrior

12 years ago

The carrot is from the crossbreeding of Queens Anns Lace and some wild yam.

You have only stated what you were taught, not what is proven.

You are also mixing different science and theory into facts accepted by those who taught you..., yes, the strongest DO survive, but horses don't breed with Lions, hummingbirds don't breed with Eagles, both are birds, one eats blood and one digest nectar.

The circumference of knowledge does not revolve around those who you or society deem as "credible". Lots of "credible", accepted experts that cannot cure anything , whether medical or sociological, and you did learn something in school, academic arrogance and ego, for MY information is from a source that cures lupus and leukemia ALL DAY LONG, among other things, with proven diagnostic sheets from institutions who are usually enemies and antagonist of this premise, like your sources and teachers, who can't cure anything, not even their own arrogance.

You keep talking about Nature, yet, you do not know the difference between natural and artificial, like soy, for instance, loaded with estrogen and INORGANIC silicon, glass, that will slowly cut you up microscopically and/or have some of the effects of asbestos.

Practical experience? How's this for practical experience: a 50 odd something lady with a foot as black as a boot due to gangrene and diabetes was scheduled to have surgery in 2 days to remove the foot. "This" premise was used not only to save the foot, but return it to normal function and the surgery was cancelled.

All day long, can't get more "practical" than that, because the "premise" was "practical" in saving the foot, and lives that doctors deemed hopeless.

Let "your" knowledge and beliefs take you where you want them to go, because if you are not looking for something, it DOES NOT MATTER whether it is Truth or not, keep on your path.

Most people are like the lady who forever seeks her desire, NOT TRUTH..., a lady whose one lung was removed, a hole in her throat, carting an oxygen tank to breath, and STILL smokes, though she knows she will die if she's continue.

"HER" Truth is continuing to keep smoking and hope that a doctor or medical technology will eventually help her to get better or stay around longer, despite standing at deaths door, it does not matter, to her, what the truth is or is not, she wants what she wants and is ONLY seeking that which agrees with her premise as the path or truth.

She not only WILL NOT hear anything else, but will REFUSE to even entertain any other premise, I know this personally.

If someone does not like drinking crude oil for breakfast, all the data in the world will NOT convince them or turn them in that direction, whether true or false, especially if it is a direction they have no intention on going in the first place.

I have presented my argument and you have presented yours, so let the readers determine the course of their options, pick or believe who and what they want.

The 13th Warrior

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

The carrot is from the crossbreeding of Queens Anns Lace and some wild yam.

You have only stated what you were taught, not what is proven.

You are also mixing different science and theory into facts accepted by those who taught you..., yes, the strongest DO survive, but horses don't breed with Lions, hummingbirds don't breed with Eagles, both are birds, one eats blood and one digest nectar.

The circumference of knowledge does not revolve around those who you or society deem as "credible". Lots of "credible", accepted experts that cannot cure anything , whether medical or sociological, and you did learn something in school, academic arrogance and ego, for MY information is from a source that cures lupus and leukemia ALL DAY LONG, among other things, with proven diagnostic sheets from institutions who are usually enemies and antagonist of this premise, like your sources and teachers, who can't cure anything, not even their own arrogance.

You keep talking about Nature, yet, you do not know the difference between natural and artificial, like soy, for instance, loaded with estrogen and INORGANIC silicon, glass, that will slowly cut you up microscopically and/or have some of the effects of asbestos.

Practical experience? How's this for practical experience: a 50 odd something lady with a foot as black as a boot due to gangrene and diabetes was scheduled to have surgery in 2 days to remove the foot. "This" premise was used not only to save the foot, but return it to normal function and the surgery was cancelled.

All day long, can't get more "practical" than that, because the "premise" was "practical" in saving the foot, and lives that doctors deemed hopeless.

Let "your" knowledge and beliefs take you where you want them to go, because if you are not looking for something, it DOES NOT MATTER whether it is Truth or not, keep on your path.

Most people are like the lady who forever seeks her desire, NOT TRUTH..., a lady whose one lung was removed, a hole in her throat, carting an oxygen tank to breath, and STILL smokes, though she knows she will die if she's continue.

"HER" Truth is continuing to keep smoking and hope that a doctor or medical technology will eventually help her to get better or stay around longer, despite standing at deaths door, it does not matter, to her, what the truth is or is not, she wants what she wants and is ONLY seeking that which agrees with her premise as the path or truth.

She not only WILL NOT hear anything else, but will REFUSE to even entertain any other premise, I know this personally.

If someone does not like drinking crude oil for breakfast, all the data in the world will NOT convince them or turn them in that direction, whether true or false, especially if it is a direction they have no intention on going in the first place.

I have presented my argument and you have presented yours, so let the readers determine the course of their options, pick or believe who and what they want.

The 13th Warrior

I've stated what is proven. Show me your proof of your claims.
Comparing cross breeding a horse with a lion because they are both mammals to crossing a carrot with a carrot that have similar traits to produce a cultivar just shows you don't know what you are talking about.
Also carrots did not come from a cross between wild yams and Queen Annes Lace, it's biologically impossible. Wild Yams are in the Dioscoreaceae family and Queen Annes Lace in in the Apraceae family.
You'd have as much luck crossing an Acer (maple) with a Pinus (pine).

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