Anyone worried aboutt the warm winter the whole planet has just had?

Worried?

Ummmm.......no.

OK good for you. One less thing to worry aobut. (G.W.) Probably love 100F+ winters (130F+ summers) LOL won't that be peachy!..Coming soon.

Nothing for us to do anyway. We can worried all we want but the world leaders keep burning fossil fuels and contribute to the global warming.

I hear you...on ethe one hand they want US to switch off lights, drive less (we'll increase fuel prices to save the planet LOL) THEN they go and make airports bigger for the Olympics...What a joke!

You are dead right....Big oil/politics/greed is in control. Sadly I have come to the same conclusion.

Still it's sad to think what we are doing now to nature in the name of money.

so you are clearly on the "Actually like it hotter side of the fence then?"

See what you say when you get hit by super Hurricanes.. Floods, etc..

sadly that seems the attitude of most.....shows how most people go with the flow and pass the buck.

So is death.

Something is different - you can bet on that. Local weather is crazy all across the globe. Azores anti-cyclone moved north-west, and weather guys/scientists are trying to figure out what happened.

Now, and since the Azores anti-cyclone moved, Portugal has no north winds like it's usual, and no rain. Craziest dry here, no rain since DECEMBER!

So YES, worried about my kids, and what will happen next years...

Mildest winter I can remember in the greater D.C. area and I've seen at least 30 of them.

70 degree days in December etc.

No heavy snowstorms this winter - just a couple of dustings - that's it.

Since we in the USA have one of our two major parties totally denying man-made climate change, ...

... I'm worried big-time because if they're anywhere near the levels of national power they ( and their blue-dog friends from the other side of the isle )...

... will continue to block any attempt to do something about it here - as they have been doing.


I'm Hoping For The Best!!

TL

Not to this scale Mike or we wouldn't have broken so many records would we? Tell me how many March "winter days in Chicago of 27C almost 90F you have seen in the past?

Ok...so no matter what happens you will always deny it..good for you. So...you actualy do not believe in the science of it Mike..tha'ts what you ar raelly saying right?

I wish! No brainer...see how many here will even deny it is man made. Like Old Mikey. He still says it's natural or sun spots, etc... LOL It could hit 100F in Toronto Xmas day and he's say it's natural.

I think we might be changing it a little faster than "slowly" though...

The first step is getting people to realize people are contributing to the issue.

Personally, I drive as little as possible and am trying to make green energy a focus of my life and my online business.

For what we can do, I believe in the possibility of "cloud whitening". Despite critics, I believe it's low risk as it's easily reversable. However, it isn't a cure and will only delay global warming.

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Mike,

Sure there are "some natural factors" in this....Where did i say it was 100% man made.. BUT I'd say we have over ridden the natural cycles by a long shot. Don'y take my word for it...like you i hold no climate qusalifictions nor studies but please do read some of the scientific papers on it. From real scientists as oppsoed to Mcbloggers who hate Al Gore.

But I guess according to some they are wrong and we a re right:

http://www.newscientist.com/topic/climate-change

As for al lthis "there are natural forces at wrok as well." It's a bit like never looknig after your health as we are al lgoing to die one day anyway....Makes no sense at all. Any how I have found msot people have made thie own minds up, wil lingor ethe science so it's awaste of time trying to reason with them.

Here's your typical denier:


Political? I did not merntion anytihng politicall. I don't give a sh88 about politics actually. I do not vite as it's basically a WASTE IOF TIME... It's 99% of the deniers weho start gonig on and on about politics and taxes any way.

So if G.W is say 70% man made...we should concentrate on the 30% natural things going on? WHY? Explain this theory to me. At least you aren't actually denying it. 10 years ago people wouldn't even admit it. Mayeb in 10 years time peope,will finally accept the truth...? Well I can dream.

TL,

Just one clarification to your last response...

I never said the I believe this is a "man made" problem. What I am saying (to be clear, cause I am tired of being told what I believe - LOL) is that warming and cooling cycles on this planet were going on since before there were man on the planet. There's mountains of evidence to show this.

However, I ALSO believe that man is indeed making things worse. MUCH worse. I don't actually believe ANY solution will "stop" or "reverse" the warming cycle, but I do believe we can stop the acceleration. One day, the planet will warm. Then it will cool. Just like it has many documented times in the planets history. Nothing we can do to STOP it.

That's what I believe. To me, that's common sense and basic science I learned in middle school.

As for the other issue about denying - I don't care. That was an entirely different issue and doesn't belong in this thread - especially if what I "said" will be incorrectly referenced. If you want to discuss that further, open a new thread

Mike

And there is a small group of scientist that claim that 1 million mirrors, each a meter in diameter, and strategically placed in space could reflect enough of the sun's rays to cool the planet.

I don't know enough about this to agree or not, but I give them credit for trying to come up with a solution.

But compared to the cost of putting a million mirrors in space, I think I'll go with cloud whitening first.

Why would I agree with what less than 0.5% who disagree whrn 99.5% agree it is real?

Can you tell me why I should believe the scientists who deny it as opposed to vast majority who agree upon it? Please, educate me!

See typical response. Al Gore is thrown in....sigh....just ignore the vast majority of scientific proof of man made G.W.

Instead of ranting why not simply read the science of it (take biases, politics out) and make your OWN mind up!

Hmm.. They once beleived the world was flat and the earth was the centre of the Universe.....glad the real scirentists proved them wrong as opposed to "making things up"

It's all answered here with real science. Not biased opinion. FACT!

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

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Yeah it's amazing..we should ignore the 98% and believe the 2% (who are mostly driven by big oil anyway)

I watched a documentary about a G.W skeptic last year. He went all ove rthe world chear leading groups into takknig about how much G.W was really B*S*

So..at the end they get himtogetehr with areal climate scientist to discuss their opinions. The scientist made mince meat out of his arguement. He was speechless at the end. Couldn't back any of his "points of view" up with any kind of research at all. At the end he admitted. OK G.W is real and it is man made "but it isn't going to be that bad." UNBELIEVable!

I'd bet my house the science will trump over any "point of views" held by the few.

Her'es the deniers Top ranked excuses:

1) The climate changed before
2) It's the sun
3) It's not bad
4) There's no consencus
5) It's cooling
6) The moduls conflict
7) Temp record is unreliable
8) Animals and plants can adapt
9) It hasn't warmed since 1998
10) Antartica is gaining ice
11) F** you Al Gore lover!

EVERY one of these "arguements" is shot down to little pices using real scitenific proof. (well al lexcept the last one)

Still...

of course doesn't Russia want the arctic sea to open up new trade routes? Big oil (i.e Bush family) can throw hundreds of millions at fake PR...and look how people love it.

any..if anyone kepy an open mind and read this i am sure they would be convinced about it all. But they wont. Best to ignore the science and keep denying it.

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

Mike, I have read your comments again..So what are you saying? It's natural? We are only controibuting alittle to it? Is that what you claim? Where are your sources to this claim. I'd like to read it.

Here's mine:
What does past climate change tell us about global warming?

Share your please.

As far as I know the Planet goes though natural cycles of being warmer than others (when you look at the big picture).

And we could just be experiencing one of those cycles¾which would mean the warm weather is perfectly normal.

A decision to worry is based on science? :confused:

Sounds like more emotion than science.


Let's have a look beyond our own back yard.

Google: winter weather in europe

Some first page results,

Eastern Europe scrambles to deal with brutal winter - CNN.com

Europe freezes in cold winter weather | World news | The Guardian

Extreme cold weather hits Europe - The Big Picture - Boston.com

Heathrow cancels flights as snow blankets London - CNN

Europe Continues to Suffer Severe Winter Weather | Europe | English

Winter Weather Brings Deaths and Disrupts Travel in Europe ...

Winter Travel to Europe - Low Season Highs from Europe for Visitors

Why winter is mild in the U.S., frigid in Europe - CBS News

Winter weather's deadly toll across Europe | News.com.au


Joe Mobley

Oh and the ten+ billions tonnes of annual CO2 we create....just washes away in the rain? What's natural about cars, aircraft, churning through 3 million tones of fossil fuels in one year? The earth can cope with that no prob's? No effect?

.....ever think about that?

What many deniers simply overlook is this:

CO2 in the atmosphere increase temp by trapping heat.

We are creating billions of tonnes of it.

Temp is increasing..

And yet..according to them, there is no link....Expalon this to me. With references to back your claims. I would love to understand why not.

Typical Joe, Heathrow had one day of snow in a warm winter and that's the story you use to debunk man made G.W....i am not surprised.. Ignore the pure science and keep finding those excuses.


Dude it was 3" snow in one night (and that was it for the whole of winter ) LOL Oh Hold the press G.W has been disproven by that!

R.O.F.L.

I think you fit into the "It's not actually warming" excuse.

warm winter EPIC cold spring day today. Can't wait for another scientist to tell me there is no global warming.

A better term for the phenomena is "climate change".


TL

Crisis? What Crisis?

This Album was released in 1975

And this is from 1977:

Let me answer you Thom...

You said...

Originally Posted by ThomM

Here's your problem TL.

You really need to understand that for many of us here, there is no side of the isle.

Myself, I've been voting and following politics for 40 years.

I have never voted because of the party a candidate belonged to, NEVER.

I don't follow or subscribe to any parties platform and never will.



When will you understand that both parties carry equal blame for what is going on in this country.


I say...

Your independent streak is laudable - that's great, but if you plan on participating in the national elections you and all your independent friends will have to make a choice - one way or the other.


Who's the problem???


I disagree with your take on the present situation.

Why??

Because one group clearly inherited this mess ( just like they did in 1932 )...


...and is trying to clean it up and one group has been playing the obstructionist card from day 1.

BTW...

Many pols show at least 60% of independents agree that one group has been playing the obstructionist card and it's slowing down the country's recovery.

Even 30-40% of registered republicans have agreed.


In the 50's until 1980 the parties were mostly on the same page and the differences were small.



That's not the case anymore.


They are diametrically opposed to each other on most issues, especially what type of society America should be and the role of the fed gov.


For example...

Most people who seriously distrust the fed gov will lean to the right and most people who think the fed gov can be a great tool for national prosperity lean to the left.


Fantasy Island...

Pretending there are no major differences between the two makes no sense whatsoever and lots of so-called independents are guilty of that.


If you can get over the hump of pretending that there are no major differences between the two parties...

...then you can start to compare the completely different set of attitudes that lead to policies that lead to outcomes for the citizenry and make informed choices.

All The Best!!


TL

this winter in my country (Iceland) we had more snow that we have had for last 10 years, but the last 10 years we had almost no snow, the winters had become warmer and the summers have also become warmer except last summer it was pretty cold.

Of course there are going to be some effects on our climate caused by man, but you're just blind if you don't see the huge money and politics behind making this a hysteria. Just ask the G.E.s and Solyndras of this Country how much they've profited from the Al Gores of politics. There's huge money in fear mongering - on both sides of the aisle.

Did the rule against political discussion get revoked?