Man Aided Climate Change: What Can We Do Ourselves To Help???

12 years ago

I know this isn't a popular position, but I'm not convinced that climate change is man made. The climate is certainly changing, but it's more likely part of a natural cycle. There's evidence that climate change is happening on other planets as well. Not saying we don't have to make serious changes for the sake of the environment, but I don't think climate change per se is a problem or unnatural.

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ThomM 12 years ago

I answered this in the other thread, but here goes again.
On a personal level, there are a few things you can do.
First from my cooking days, use what you have for at least three things before you throw it out. If you can't come up with three uses for an item, be sure it's recyclable or reclaimable and then do the right thing with it.
Have an abundance of house plants in your home. This will clean the air in your house, making it breathable again , and create a calm and relaxing atmosphere. If you own any property, keep it as green as possible.
Interplant Fungi in your garden and yard. That will improve and clean the soil in addition to the symbiotic relationship they have with plants, creating a healthy environment for your plants and you.
On a larger scale, boycott all wood products and demand environmentally friendly substitutes. Hemp is an excellent substitute for pretty much every wood product out there and many metal products also. Forests and at a smaller scale all plants are our air purifiers, the more trees we cut down, the more pollution we allow in to the atmosphere. What we are doing now is creating more oxygen using humans and cutting down more oxygen producing trees, see a problem with that?
That should get you started
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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

While I do believe climate change is a natural occurance (which has been scientifically proven), I also believe man is helping to speed this particular cycle.

One thing I think is that man tends to think we can defeat mother nature and I giggle at the constant arrogance. But I digress...

I believe part of the issue is over population. The more people, the more resources we need and take from the earth - which does not help our situation.

Part of the problem is greed - corporate AND government (political). You can't blame one and not the other seeing as both have been in bed together since we have HAD a political system (and NOT just the right - the left too. They're just better at spinning it

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From a "just me" standpoint, on a day to day basis, all i can think of are simple changes, such as what I said in the other thread - carpool or mass transit once in a while. Shut off the air conditioner (sweat for the cause - it won't kill you). In the winter, set your temperature low. In our house, it NEVER gets set higher than 65 F, and even then, it's just to take out the chill - usually it's set to 63 or below. Wear an extra sweater.

Take shorter showers. Even shower every other day (unless you have a dirty type of daily life, job, etc.)

Make sure you turn out lights. This one drives me nuts in my house... I am constantly shutting off lights in empty rooms

I guess, in simpler terms, reduce your carbon footprint as much as you can.

That's all I got so far...but more will come, I'm sure.

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Without any help from any gov, do you have any suggestions for combating a very serious problem???

This is your thread - you should post some of your ideas too.

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

It's funny that this thread came up just as I finished reading this article:

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

Now, before you jump down my throat, I'm just providing the article due to timeliness. I fall dead smack in the middle on this subject.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It's funny that this thread came up just as I finished reading this article:

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

Now, before you jump down my throat, I'm just providing the article due to timeliness. I fall dead smack in the middle on this subject.

Good article actually.
For me, the older I get the more I see the symbiotic relationship between man and earth. How much we are responsible for climate change is not really a point to me. In the end the pollution we put into the atmosphere and earth will kill us, not the earth.
We do everything we can to destroy vegetation, yet it is that very vegetation that makes the air we breath breathable, makes the soil we plant in viable. Without it all life could parish.
I think the best thing we could do as a whole is start teaching our children at home and in school the importance of nature (for lack of a better word). Not one of those special one day classes, but from K thru 12. If people understand how important the balance between man and nature is and how our lives depend on it being healthy, then you will see positive change.

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Dave Patterson

12 years ago

Don't know if this will help but I just got a notice that Aerosmith and Cheap Trick will be kicking off their new tour in June. And it's called......

The Global Warming Tour 2012!

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Thom,

Watched an interesting show about what would happen if humans became extinct. Essentially, everything we built will simply go away. Return to the earth, as it were. The planet would "rejuvenate" any damage we've done in a fairly short time. And it would be like humans never existed in the first place. Amazing, I thought.

I saw another show that talked about the sun being about half way through it's life expectancy. As it gets older, it will get bigger and will give the term "Global Warming" a whole new meaning.

Unless, of course, we amazing humans can come up with a way to stop that from happening. If we start a new tax now, maybe we can build a HUGE propulsion system that will keep us at a set distance from the sun at all times

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Thom,

Watched an interesting show about what would happen if humans became extinct. Essentially, everything we built will simply go away. Return to the earth, as it were. The planet would "rejuvenate" any damage we've done in a fairly short time. And it would be like humans never existed in the first place. Amazing, I thought.

I saw another show that talked about the sun being about half way through it's life expectancy. As it gets older, it will get bigger and will give the term "Global Warming" a whole new meaning.

Unless, of course, we amazing humans can come up with a way to stop that from happening. If we start a new tax now, maybe we can build a HUGE propulsion system that will keep us at a set distance from the sun at all times

Mike

I'm pretty sure I saw that show. Did it show how it happened like at 2 months, 12 months, 2 years, etc? If it's the same one I saw it was really good.
The thing is the earth is perfectly capable of healing itself if we left it alone.
I was watching a video the other day where the guy was showing what fungi can do. In fact here's the page it's on. Fungi Perfecti: mycotechnology

Here's another interesting thing that a company is doing.
LifeBox - www.lifeboxcompany.com

The Tree Life Box™ contains a selection of tree seeds and their mycorrhizal fungal partners that have the potential to grow into a forest ecosystem.

But new taxes sounds like a better idea

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Kurt

12 years ago

Drive a little less

When you buy your next car, get one that gets a little better mileage. If you have two cars, drive the one that gets the best mileage as much as possible.

Plant a garden instead of a lawn so fruit and vegetables don't need to be transported.

Build homes that are more energy effecient. In N hemisphere point homes that need heating to the south and homes that need cooling to the north.

Homes that need cooling, paint roofs white to reflect heat and homes that need to be heated, paint black to absorb heat.

Use simple solar water heaters to pre-heat water to hot water tanks.

Make simple solar air heaters.

Have refridgerators have their air intake outdoors in cold climates. This one really gets me...Instead of heating a home to 70 degrees, then cooling that air to 0, start with air that's already 40 degrees.

Recycle two liter bottles to create window farms/gardens:

Window Farm - YouTube

Learn to use reflectors to direct heat to or away.

Go solar

Go wind

Go geothermal

If not...Look kids in the face and tell them why their world shouldn't be as good as your's.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Good post Kurt.
I've also built hydroponic systems using plastic bottles and some old PVC pipes. On FB today someone showed how to make a broom with two qt. plastic bottles.
Three widows with those window gardens in them could give you your kitchen herbs and a couple of nice green salads everyday.
Other then a Sunday ride on my bike, I keep my driving of both the bike and jeep at a real minimum. With the jeep it's around 10 miles a week in the winter and less in the summer.
I've gotten really recharged with gardening this year. I already have my vegetable and herb seeds and have started the eggplant indoors already. Next week I'll be planting my cabbage, lettuce, carrots, and beet seeds outdoors. I've also cleaned my rear fence line and will have the grapes re-established there this year and will have two more trellis systems in place to plant next year. I'm also working on a permanent herb garden and blueberry patch. Then there's the garden oyster mushroom patch and kitchen garden I'm putting in. I figure that will keep me busy this year

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Good post Kurt.
I've also built hydroponic systems using plastic bottles and some old PVC pipes. On FB today someone showed how to make a broom with two qt. plastic bottles.
Three widows with those window gardens in them could give you your kitchen herbs and a couple of nice green salads everyday.
Other then a Sunday ride on my bike, I keep my driving of both the bike and jeep at a real minimum. With the jeep it's around 10 miles a week in the winter and less in the summer.
I've gotten really recharged with gardening this year. I already have my vegetable and herb seeds and have started the eggplant indoors already. Next week I'll be planting my cabbage, lettuce, carrots, and beet seeds outdoors. I've also cleaned my rear fence line and will have the grapes re-established there this year and will have two more trellis systems in place to plant next year. I'm also working on a permanent herb garden and blueberry patch. Then there's the garden oyster mushroom patch and kitchen garden I'm putting in. I figure that will keep me busy this year

I think stuff like this will catch on as more and more people learn about it.

It's just something that's cheap, easy and fun to do...Plus the health and convenience factor.

Growing up, my grandmother had grapes, blueberries, strawberries, rhubarb, plus an apple and peach tree in her back yard. She'd also plant a potato bush every year just because I liked the home grown potatoes so much. The peach tree was small and grew small peaches, but they were the best peaches I've ever had.

She didn't even do anything to these plants...She never watered them or fertilized them, she just planted them and let them grow, except for the strawberries, which she weeded and watered.

She didn't produce huge amounts of food, but it was cool to just go in the backyard and pick something when it was in season.

I think more and more people will start doing the same with their yards, roofs, balconies and windows. It just makes sense.

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Good suggestions there Kurt.

In many states, if you add solar to your home there are tax breaks, rebates, etc. A friend of mine did this to his home in New Jersey and along with the major tax breaks he got his electric bill significantly decreased. In fact, on most months he adds power back to the grid.

I like the refrigerator one - I never heard of that but it makes total sense. Of course, here in NY it would be a benefit only half the year, but that's much better than nothing!

Mike

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Good suggestions there Kurt.

In many states, if you add solar to your home there are tax breaks, rebates, etc. A friend of mine did this to his home in New Jersey and along with the major tax breaks he got his electric bill significantly decreased. In fact, on most months he adds power back to the grid.

I like the refrigerator one - I never heard of that but it makes total sense. Of course, here in NY it would be a benefit only half the year, but that's much better than nothing!

Mike

The refridgerator one is my own idea...I was sitting here one night and heard the fridge compressor turn on. It was 0 degrees outside at the time. It seems stupid to cool the 70 degree air using a compressor when there was 0 degree air just a wall away.

For tax breaks and other incentives, I put up some links on my site:
Favorite DIY Green Energy Related Resources

Scroll up or down a bit and you'll also find some other resources.

If anyone's interested, I have tons of money-saving and interesting resources on the site.

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

My ex father in law turned his entire backyard into a vegetable and flower garden. He grew most anything that would grow in his upstate NY yard. Corn, tomatoes, peppers (of all kinds), lettuce, watermelon, strawberries...more I can't even remember. The guy had quite a green thumb.

I attempted gardens a few times, but they always turn out to be a bust. I have a brown thumb. But my brother - who lives only 4 miles away - has a heck of a garden and I get a ton of home grown veggies from him. Best of both worlds - fresh grown but no work from me

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

By the way Kurt - I bookmarked your site. You have a goldmine of information! And I have a bunch of reading to do.

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Kurt 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

By the way Kurt - I bookmarked your site. You have a goldmine of information! And I have a bunch of reading to do.

On a personal note...I really want to turn my focus from IM to making a living with green info.

I finally got my brother to get his "stuff" together and we should be making a lot of videos soon...I hope to do a lot of parabolic mirror stuff.

I want to come up with ways people can do solar (and wind) "on the cheap", using easy to find stuff.

For example, on these two pages I have some ideas for the DIYer to save money:
Scalvaging for Cheap Green Power Projects

On this page, I've taken some software I developed for IM and applied it to finding stuff for free on Craigslist:
Cheap and Free Materials for Green Energy Projects: Tuelz Software

For example, you can buy solar cells very cheaply on ebay. It takes some time to solder them all together, but DIY is a great money saver. However the cost for encasing them can be expensive.

So...You track Craigslist for people giving away free glass, or better, free sliding glass doors and use them to mount your solar cells. A sliding glass door also makes a great top for a solar air or solar water heater.

Anyway...This is the kind of thing we want to do...And you'd be surprised what people give away for free on CL.
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David Maschke

12 years ago

A year ago I would have thought anyone even mentioning the environment was just someone more than willing to pay their carbon taxes.

But now I'm starting to simplify the thing down to right/wrong and responsible/irresponsible.

I don't think we are without hope, though. Peoples' attitude towards smoking reversed in a relatively short period of time.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

Mike.

You are actually quite funny. You kep saying things like this but never back such statements up with any real scientific sources/proof do you? It's your "point of view or belief only." D oyou agree on this?

One thing I think is that man tends to think we can defeat mother nature and I giggle at the constant arrogance. But I digress...

The vast majority of real climate scientists say the oppostite and back it up with reaseach...

But we should ignore all that and agree with people's opinions? Makes sense.. Well not really but there you go. It's how a few think.

Go on Mike prove me wrong.....back your "opinion" up with REAL scientific papers and proof......I'll read it.

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MikeAmbrosio

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

Mike.

You are actually quite funny. You kep saying things like this but never back such statements up with any real scientific sources/proof do you? It's your "point of view or belief only." D oyou agree on this?

The vast majority of real climate scientists say the oppostite and back it up with reaseach...

But we should ignore all that and agree with people's opinions? Makes sense.. Well not really but there you go. It's how a few think.

Go on Mike prove me wrong.....back your "opinion" up with REAL scientific papers and proof......I'll read it.

Is there something you want from me?

Sorry, but "proving" something to people like you is pointless. I have watched others point to what they say is proof to which you simply "poo-poo" it as some nut job research while you link to one article of your own.

You should have picked up on the clue where I said "One thing I think..." that this was my OPINION. One which I still hold. But I suppose that would be asking too much...

You're starting to act like a troll. This thread was started by TL to hear people's ideas about how to make changes, which I have contributed. All you have done was to pollute it with more rhetoric, which will likely get this topic locked like the last one.

Thanks for the "contributions". And for the final time...

Have a nice day (which means I'm done - find someone else to bother)

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ThomM

12 years ago

For example, you can buy solar cells very cheaply on ebay. It takes some time to solder them all together, but DIY is a great money saver. However the cost for encasing them can be expensive.

Kurt I picked up some excellent videos on making solar panels for under $100 from another Warrior last year . In the video they built the backing and sides from plywood and used UV treated plexiglass to cover the panels.
The biggest expense I found was in the inverters, though with some searching I think they can be found for a reasonable price.
That's another project I've got kicking around in my head, to slowly convert to solar for my electric. I don't want to connect to the grid when I'm done.
So I'm thinking of starting with the garage and then as I can add panels I can add rooms one at a time. I've got some remodelling to do in the house so I'll add wiring as I remodel each room.
My main goal is to become as self sufficient as I possibly can (great project to start at 58), sometimes I take that "I'm responsible for myself"stuff to far

Oh yeah I've bookmarked your site also, good stuff you got on there

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Kurt I picked up some excellent videos on making solar panels for under $100 from another Warrior last year . In the video they built the backing and sides from plywood and used UV treated plexiglass to cover the panels.

One potential problem with this is that the cells should probably be encased in a way where they are not exposed to any air at all or they could rust.

Most people use an airtight laminate or Sylgard, which is a liquid silicone that hardens.

We're going to try to use elastomeric roof coating, which is like rubber paint to seal the cells, then try expanding foam to cover that. The roof coating is mostly to protect the cells from the foam when it expands. The problem we're having is actually finding fireproof foam...I know they make it, but finding it in stock is tough.

I'm not sure if this will work, but we're trying to experiment. If it does work, it should be less than half the price of Sylgard.

The biggest expense I found was in the inverters, though with some searching I think they can be found for a reasonable price.

I know...ebay generally has the best prices. Batteries are another major expense...But if you can find dead deep cycles, I know first hand that the reconditioning trick using epsom salts really works. My battery is still going strong.

That's another project I've got kicking around in my head, to slowly convert to solar for my electric. I don't want to connect to the grid when I'm done.
So I'm thinking of starting with the garage and then as I can add panels I can add rooms one at a time. I've got some remodelling to do in the house so I'll add wiring as I remodel each room.
My main goal is to become as self sufficient as I possibly can (great project to start at 58), sometimes I take that "I'm responsible for myself"stuff to far

Oh yeah I've bookmarked your site also, good stuff you got on there

I think this is the right approach for most DIYers...Just keep plugging away. You don't have to do it all at once, just a room at a time.

Prices are getting really cheap. We just bought this kit from ebay for less than 50 cents per watt...It doesn't include the panels themselves, but it does include the cells and tabbing wire, etc. We'll make the panels out of scrap material.

200- 3x6 Untabbed Solar Cells Diy Panel Kit w/Wire Flux | eBay

Soldering the cells isn't hard, just time consuming. But this should give us 350 watts, minus the cells we fry messing around and experimenting with. LOL

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sloanjim

12 years ago

OH GOD Daily Mail as a real scientific source..LOL What next Beano?

Read real science papers/ research and you wil lsee the Earth has NEVER been warmer at any stage in mankinds history...the so called Medieval warm period was cooler than it is now. But again, you have made your mind up and will only take interest in newspaper stories that agree with your beliefs.

It's funny that this thread came up just as I finished reading this article:

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

OH GOD Daily Mail as a real scientific source..LOL What next Beano?

Read real science papers/ research and you wil lsee the Earth has NEVER been warmer at any stage in mankinds history...the so called Medieval warm period was cooler than it is now. But again, you have made your mind up and will only take interest in newspaper stories that agree with your beliefs.

Daily Mail simply reported on the study. Since you've made up your mind, I don't suppose you'd like to read the actual study found here: ScienceDirect.com - Earth and Planetary Science Letters - An ikaite record of late Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula (you'll have to subscribe)

Or you can wait until you get your copy of "Earth And Planetary Science Letters" in the mail on April 1. You're obviously an uber-smart guy, so I assume you're a subscriber.

Since you've obviously made **your** mind up, I suppose you'll just refute any new research that doesn't conform to your beliefs.

I guess I'll completely disregard research done by actual scientists that disagrees with you because, hey, you said so. But, I'm just a closed-minded Neanderthal who is vehemently afraid of fire and enjoys picking bugs out of his wife's hair.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

OH GOD Daily Mail as a real scientific source..LOL What next Beano? It's laughable alright. Laughable you beleive what is printed in the Daily Mail as opposed to what the real science has proven. That story is wrong. But since when did the Daily Mail give a to** about the truth?

Read real science papers/ research and you wil lsee the Earth has NEVER been warmer at any stage in mankinds history...The so called Medieval warm period was cooler than it is now.Do some reasearch and and admit it. But again, you have made your mind up and will only take interest in newspaper stories that agree with your beliefs.

It's funny that this thread came up just as I finished reading this article:

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

OH GOD Daily Mail as a real scientific source..LOL What next Beano?

I always get my scientific information from Viz.

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Joe Mobley

12 years ago

Over 3 billion people cook their food every day with biomass fuels like wood, crop residue and dung cakes.

Now what is it that you think I can do to help alleviate this problem?

I'll bet that on any given day, I and my SUV (15mpg, big, scares the birds, cats and little children when I drive it. It's great!) put out way less pollution than someone who starts 3 campfires a day for cooking.

But that's just me thinking.

Joe Mobley

In the western, tobacco smoking is believed to be the most important risk factor for COPD. However, recent evidence refutes this. "Exposure to biomass fuel smoke is the biggest risk factor, not only for India, but even globally. Compared to 1.1 billion smokers, more than 3 billion people (50% of the global population) use biomass fuel for cooking and heating purposes worldwide," Salvi said.

Your lungs at higher risk from wood smoke, dung cakes - Times Of India

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Over 3 billion people cook their food every day with biomass fuels like wood, crop residue and dung cakes.

Now what is it that you think I can do to help alleviate this problem?

I'll bet that on any given day, I and my SUV (15mpg, big, scares the birds, cats and little children when I drive it. It's great!) put out way less pollution than someone who starts 3 campfires a day for cooking.

But that's just me thinking.

Joe Mobley

Your lungs at higher risk from wood smoke, dung cakes - Times Of India

I don't know about you, but I'm going to do experiments with different materials to see if I can find alternatives to burning wood to cook and clean water.

I also hope to educate people to the alternatives and hope to give some people the materials they need so they can build solar alternatives to using wood and other fuels.

Here's a pic showing how simple cardboard boxes lined with foil or mylar are used as solar ovens to use for cooking at a refugee camp in Africa:

This site has a number of designs for solar cookers:
Making and using a solar cooker by Joe Radabaugh Issue #30

Maybe there is something you can do and it's more of a case that you don't want to?

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Joe Mobley

12 years ago

Well Kurt, you got me. You are right. My first reaction to the pic with the solar cookers was "double-cool!" I hope that you and others are able to help alleviate some of the stresses on the global resources.

Thanks for the insight.

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I don't know about you, but I'm going to do experiments with different materials to see if I can find alternatives to burning wood to cook and clean water.

I also hope to educate people to the alternatives and hope to give some people the materials they need so they can build solar alternatives to using wood and other fuels.

Here's a pic showing how simple cardboard boxes lined with foil or mylar are used as solar ovens to use for cooking at a refugee camp in Africa:

This site has a number of designs for solar cookers:
Making and using a solar cooker by Joe Radabaugh Issue #30

Maybe there is something you can do and it's more of a case that you don't want to?

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sloanjim

12 years ago

And sadly as for the OP's question we can't really do much about it. I mean they talk about us driving less/ switching lights off, being greener etc...but then China comes online woith what 12 huge coal fired power plants? They make airports bigger. The wordls shippnig industry which accounts for about 10% of Green house gasses hasn't even been looked at. Sadly, it's a joke really what they tell us to do whilst lining their own pockets.

It's a bit like puting a bandage on a scratched finger whilst our jugular vain is severed and spewing out pints of blood. It's pretty much a waste of time and effort.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

OK Mike but in all due respect it's like 4.5 BILLION years away. (ok the suns expands as it dies and the earth wil lsimply melt into the sun....yawn) ..so we might as well try and save the planet for the next 50,000 in the meantime. Which I seriously doubt any way.

I saw another show that talked about the sun being about half way through it's life expectancy. As it gets older, it will get bigger and will give the term "Global Warming" a whole new meaning.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

Actually, there are still a lot of people (usually older more ignorant type) that deny it's even happening or claim "it's natural". Or it won't be that bad...Like they know. When prested with the scieince of it all, they simply ignore that and spout thier "opinions" like they are the facts. Even picking up on the 1977 Times article "Next Ice Age"

So because we once believed the earth wasa flat we should have stuck with that wrong assumption for-ever? I am sure (like here) many did for a long, long time. Same with cancer and smoking relationship. I sam sure many deniers (stupid,ignorant, self serving people) also denied that for as long as possible. More than likely big tobaccos companies. See the same pattern here? (no doubt the deniers will not. How can they?)

It's changing as they get more edcucted or die off. But that'll takes time. As for greed and big oil....guess we just wait for it to finish. How many years? 200+? Until then it's pretty much nothing to do but see where it goes.

I don't think we are without hope, though. Peoples' attitude towards smoking reversed in a relatively short period of time.

Yeah I remember seeing ads where Dr's would be sitting in their room smoking whilst addressing people on health issues...Reember the old days when people would smoke in bars and restaurants...Seems strange now. LOL Didn't people say in the 1800's "man could never fly?" Wonder how they would feel now if they could see the wordl? I can only presume the same ridicule wil lbe poked at the deniers of G.W in the next century

2000 man said "I laugh at science that says we humans can influence Natures weather.." and they'll all chuckule at how stupid what statement was. Sadly.

When people say things like:

It won't be that bad. Wheres'your source to back that claim up?

It's natural? Again, give me the real scientific papers to back it up.

Man isn't contributing to it that much....Again, proof?

Of course they can't. Sure they may point to some crazy blog poster who works at Mcdonalds and is a a part time climate skptic or some mad 1:100 scientist who has a different "view" but the real time tested, backed up science can never justify their cliams. A poiunt they overlook every single time.

Which shows once a person has made their mind up they aren't interested in findiong out the truth. How sad....

Still, I agree nothing we can do individually that is going to make any difference.

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garyv

12 years ago

Kurt that is an awesome website! - We may disagree on many philosophies - but I have to admire the fact that you are a man that acts upon his convictions. And a lot of those things on your website are smart activities for anyone to take up, regardless of what they believe.

I've been thinking of experimenting with some different green energy projects myself, so keep us posted if/when you offer any videos.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Kurt that is an awesome website! - We may disagree on many philosophies - but I have to admire the fact that you are a man that acts upon his convictions. And a lot of those things on your website are smart activities for anyone to take up, regardless of what they believe.

I've been thinking of experimenting with some different green energy projects myself, so keep us posted if/when you offer any videos.

The thing about renewable energy is that "both" sides benefit from it. Those that want it to improve the environment benefit and so do those that want independence and self-reliance. It's really a win/win.

On a personal note, I've never launched or promoted www.ShySky.com. I've waited until I can add my own videos. It's a good site, but something inside me really wants some original video content.

I'm creative and have a bit of engineering knowledge, but I don't have the skills or tools to do a good job. But, my brother not only has the skills, he owns a junkyard.

I've wanted to do this project for over a year and a half and I finally got him to specifically commit, instead of just talking about it.

I've been waiting a long time to actually "do" something and have generated a lot of ideas over this time...I'm just really thrilled we'll be doing something soon. Studying, researching and writing only takes you so far...I want to take the next step and do "real" stuff, and then I will launch the site.

Plus, since this is a marketing forum and people here will understand, owning your own videos is an excellent marketing resource. And with Youtube's revenue share and Youtube marketing strategies, it offers a lot of marketing benefits.

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DWaters

12 years ago

So many great suggestions in this thread. Some of the things I do are :
-recycle EVERTTHING
-compose everything I can (I have a garden)
-conserve energy - electricity and gas
-reduce plasitic consumption as much as possible
-buy locally produced food and other items
-use filterrd tap water to drink - NEVER buy plastic bottles of water (extremely bad!)
At least I can say I am doing my little part. That feels good.

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HeySal

12 years ago

There's only one thing that is going to help earth and us, too. People have to stop having more than 2 children completely. If you need more than one, adopt. If we don't take the population back down under carrying capacity, it isn't going to matter much what else we do.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate 12 years ago

This might help - check out this new solar array...

'Accordian' Solar Towers Squeeze 20 Times the Power | MIT Photovoltaic Panels | LiveScience
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Denmark aims to get 50% of all electricity from wind power
The country aims to supply 35% of its total energy from renewables by 2020 and 100% by 2050

Denmark aims to get 50% of all electricity from wind power | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Granted...it's a small country - but we can always scale up...

A substantial portion of Germany's energy is wind power right now, and growing...
(there are groups however, that are fighting current turbine projects for various reasons)

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sloanjim

12 years ago

Yeah proof to back your "opinion up"

Is there something you want from me?

Sorry, but "proving" something to people like you is pointless. I have watched others point to what they say is proof to which you simply "poo-poo" it as some nut job research while you link to one article of your own.

What a kop out...."no pint". I said exactly the same to you and you do not provide one shed of proof to back your point of view up EVER. So it's useless. Go on..give us another excuse Mike.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

ok i missed that so you admit your "thinking" is not backed up by any proof...ok great. Case closed.

You should have picked up on the clue where I said "One thing I think..." that this was my OPINION. One which I still hold. But I suppose that would be asking too much...

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sloanjim

12 years ago

^^ Hmmm...i weighed up what the majoirty of the real scientists concluded. Yet according to the skeptics I should ignore the vast majority and side with the minority... Even ignore the fact that Co2 in the atmosphere does increase temperature.

Why? Because the minority agree with your own bias so that's the side you "agree with." Complete illogical way of of weighing up the evidence but that's human nature.

" 99 Dr.'s tell you to stop drinking or you are gonig to die. You keep searching. Presto one says "you'll be fine" BINGO. See no need to stop, Dr.X says I'll be fine."

Phsychologists have a name for it...I can't remember what it was. But you can see how evident it is here. Basically you have your point of view and then only register information that re-enforces that point of view. "selective positive re-enforcement" or something like that.

I actually started off of as a skeptic. I too thought there was no way 130+ years of "extra" man made co2 could possibly influence a climate...but the more I digged into the subject the more I realized i was wrong. Shame many others won't see the real science behind it. As they have already made their minds up and that's that!

I mean there are serious, qualified, Dr's/scientists who deny AIDS exists. So I could basically claim "look Dr, Joe No Brains" wrtote this paper on "how Aids is a Governemt cover up.." and becasue of that ONE "crazy" opinion form the 1,000's I should believe it?

You will always get those who go against the real proof. Why? Fame, money, like to go against the crowd..Who knows.

At least it is changing. 10+ years ago a lot of people blatantly denied it. Now they say thing like

"ok it's happening but maybe it won't be that bad"

"Maybe man isn't the only thing changing the climate."

" yeah so what I do not care."

etc..a bit of step down in the face of the mounting evidence. Just like 60+ years ago many denied the link betwen smoking and cancer. (smokers, big tobacco, etc.. mainly) It takes time to educate people. But it's getting there.

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

<snip> ^^ Hmmm...i weighed up what the majoirty of the real scientists concluded. Yet according to the skeptics I should ignore the vast majority and side with the minority... Even ignore the fact that Co2 in the atmosphere does increase temperature.

Why? Because the minority agree with **your own bias** so that's the side you "agree with." Complete illogical way of of weighing up the evidence but that's human nature.

Here's what I said in my only post before you mocked my source:

It's funny that this thread came up just as I finished reading this article:

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

Now, before you jump down my throat, I'm just providing the article due to timeliness. I fall dead smack in the middle on this subject.

I don't see any bias in that post. I posted a recent article on new research. I even went so far as to state that I fall in the middle on this subject.

If you want to ignore new findings, that's fine. If you want to discount them as "minority" research, that's fine, too.

Many years ago, research stating climate change was manmade was in the minority as well. Science changes.

I, for one, apparently, am keeping an open mind.

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Dave Patterson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Here's what I said in my only post before you mocked my source:

I don't see any bias in that post. I posted a recent article on new research. I even went so far as to state that I fall in the middle on this subject.

If you want to ignore new findings, that's fine. If you want to discount them as "minority" research, that's fine, too.

Many years ago, research stating climate change was manmade was in the minority as well. Science changes.

I, for one, apparently, am keeping an open mind.

Reminds me of a pi$$edoff bulldog....once he sinks his teeth into something he's gonna shake it till it dead...lol!

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garyv

12 years ago

Let's try to keep this thread from being locked - We all have strong opinions on the subject - but we're not allowed to argue them here. So let's keep on topic with the original post.

I'd love to learn how to make something like this...

Homemade Wind Turbine Generator VAWT Vertical -...

Can't wait until I have more time to tinker around with these things.

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Dave Patterson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Let's try to keep this thread from being locked - We all have strong opinions on the subject - but we're not allowed to argue them here. So let's keep on topic with the original post.

I'd love to learn how to make something like this...

Homemade Wind Turbine Generator VAWT Vertical - YouTube

Can't wait until I have more time to tinker around with these things.

I've seen something like that around Indianapolis except they are MUCH taller. I wish I could find pics somewhere....they actually look pretty cool.

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Dave Patterson 12 years ago

Found them....thanks Goog!
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  Found them....thanks Goog!
  
  Wow... those are cool. I'd love to see what they look like running.
  
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  Wow... those are cool. I'd love to see what they look like running.
  
  They do really look cool when they're spinning.
  
  They have them at Detroit Metro Airport and the first time I saw them, I blinked my eyes tightly several times thinking something was wrong with my eyesite, lol!
  
  They are amazing to watch especially, when you are moving too.
  
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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Let's try to keep this thread from being locked - We all have strong opinions on the subject - but we're not allowed to argue them here. So let's keep on topic with the original post.

I'd love to learn how to make something like this...

Homemade Wind Turbine Generator VAWT Vertical - YouTube

Can't wait until I have more time to tinker around with these things.

I've looked into windmills before, but never wind turbines, which I'm thinking would be a better way to go in a lot of circumstances.
You could easily enclose the turbine in a screen to keep birds out, which is a big treehugger concern with windmills. Also I can see where the turbines would be less of an eye soar which is another windmill concern.
Building a turbine should be easier then building a windmill also.
Plus you could mount the turbines to your house roof which wouldn't be a good idea with windmills.
Thanks Gary, you gave me a new idea to look into

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I've looked into windmills before, but never wind turbines, which I'm thinking would be a better way to go in a lot of circumstances.
You could easily enclose the turbine in a screen to keep birds out, which is a big treehugger concern with windmills. Also I can see where the turbines would be less of an eye soar which is another windmill concern.
Building a turbine should be easier then building a windmill also.
Plus you could mount the turbines to your house roof which wouldn't be a good idea with windmills.
Thanks Gary, you gave me a new idea to look into

I've seen those wind turbines (above) spinning even when there was a barely noticeable breeze....

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I've looked into windmills before, but never wind turbines, which I'm thinking would be a better way to go in a lot of circumstances.
You could easily enclose the turbine in a screen to keep birds out, which is a big treehugger concern with windmills. Also I can see where the turbines would be less of an eye soar which is another windmill concern.
Building a turbine should be easier then building a windmill also.
Plus you could mount the turbines to your house roof which wouldn't be a good idea with windmills.
Thanks Gary, you gave me a new idea to look into

Hey Thom,

Conventional windmills are considered horizontal axis turbines. The vertical axis turbines, like the ones shown above, have some advantages:

They're bird proof.
They tend to work better at lower wind speeds.
They don't need to face directly into the wind.
They cause less vibration, which is good if mounted on a home.

The problem with them is that one side is pushed by the wind, but the other side will be pushed back into the wind, causing a loss of power. This problem can somewhat be taken care of with the design of the turbine blades. Here's two examples:

This first design is made from canvass:

Vertical wind turbines Santiago, Dominican...

Vertical Axis Wind Turbine VAWT - YouTube

They are really getting artistic with the vertical axis turbines and I find them almost hypnotic, like watching a fire.

I have some more ideas and stuff, like how to wrap coils to make your own generators on the wind power page:
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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hey Thom,

Conventional windmills are considered horizontal axis turbines. The vertical axis turbines, like the ones shown above, have some advantages:

They're bird proof.
They tend to work better at lower speeds.
They don't need to face directly into the wind.
They cause less vibration, which is good if mounted on a home.

The problem with them is that one side is pushed by the wind, but the other side will be pushed back into the wind, causing a loss of power. This problem can somewhat be taken care of with the design of the turbine blades. Here's two examples:

This first design is made from canvass:
Vertical wind turbines Santiago, Dominican Republic - YouTube

Vertical Axis Wind Turbine VAWT - YouTube

They are really getting artistic with the vertical axis turbines and I find them almost hypnotic, like watching a fire.

I have some more ideas and stuff, like how to wrap coils to make your own generators on the wind power page:
DIY Wind Power Projects

Kurt I have to much work to do today for you to be posting good stuff like that

I've already got bookmark folders for Solar and Rocket heaters, I better make one for wind power now too.
They would be a good addition to solar here.
I'm on the east slope of the Hudson River valley. I get a lot of wind and breezes here Fall thru Spring, right when the solar would be a little lacking.

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Kurt I have to much work to do today for you to be posting good stuff like that

I've already got bookmark folders for Solar and Rocket heaters, I better make one for wind power now too.
They would be a good addition to solar here.
I'm on the east slope of the Hudson River valley. I get a lot of wind and breezes here Fall thru Spring, right when the solar would be a little lacking.

That's the thing...In many areas when there isn't any sun, there's wind and when there's no wind, there's sun. I happen to live in a part of the world that has a lot of both sun and wind.

For just messing around, I've seen people on Youtube use car altenators and even battery operated drill motors as generators. Neither are optimal by any stretch...But they can both be used for a hobby project.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

That's the thing...In many areas when there isn't any sun, there's wind and when there's no wind, there's sun. I happen to live in a part of the world that has a lot of both sun and wind.

For just messing around, I've seen people on Youtube use car altenators and even battery operated drill motors as generators. Neither are optimal by any stretch...But they can both be used for a hobby project.

All you need to do is wire any electric motor backwards and you've got a generator

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Let's try to keep this thread from being locked - We all have strong opinions on the subject - but we're not allowed to argue them here. So let's keep on topic with the original post.

I'd love to learn how to make something like this...

Homemade Wind Turbine Generator VAWT Vertical - YouTube

Can't wait until I have more time to tinker around with these things.

Hey Gary,

For this type of design, you can grab a "squirel cage" out of an old air conditioner, they make excellent turbines.

Then use some rare earth magnets to "levitate" the turbine. The magnets replace the need for bearings/lube.

NEODYMIUM MAGNET LEVITATION Vertical Axis Wind...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

ok i missed that so you admit your "thinking" is not backed up by any proof...ok great. Case closed.

NOW you're getting it

Again - this is supposed to be a thread about how we can help make changes - not to push political agendas (and yes, it IS largely political).

Can we please focus on that? Start a new thread if you MUST keep telling people they're wrong...

In the meantime, I am learning a lot from actual contributions from others, like Kurt, and I don't want your rants locking up the thread.

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12 years ago

By the way - to Kurt: Alternative energy is one of Clickbank's highest selling niches. You might consider making a package to sell through clickbank. They already have an army of Affiliates that would jump at a chance to sell a new product.

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Jnelson

12 years ago

The thread is a great read..we all need to take our small initiatives instead of waiting for the municipality or some govt drive ..I have a small kitchen garden in the balcony..plants grown in used paint tubs and then a solar panel on the roof.I make small efforts to teach the children to conserve energy and preserve nature..and it feels great to see them excited after planting a sapling (they are part of Go Green club in the locality)

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Banned 12 years ago

I hope someone gets global warming figured out by Dec. 2012.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

Well until fossil fules expire it's actually abit of a waste of time. So we use 10% less fuel but China come sonline with mega coal fired power stations....Airports get bigger. They find more and more oil to dig up. So we might be able to cut it down say 10% but big Governements/countries continue to increase by such high numbers it makes our effort futile. Sad to say but true.