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Woman Sobs Over TSA Patdown: Fair Or Foul? (VIDEO)

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Woman Sobs Over TSA Patdown: Fair Or Foul? (VIDEO)
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    That video doesn't show anywhere near enough to make a logical decision of what was going on..
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      That video doesn't show anywhere near enough to make a logical decision of what was going on..
      That's what I Was thinking Kim.
      Also from the little I seen it looked like she was one of those types that just freaks when they are singled out.
      She'd probably react the same if she won a prize on The Price is Right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    Although we can't ascertain the particulars of this pat down I can honestly say I fly much less because of the TSA.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      Although we can't ascertain the particulars of this pat down I can honestly say I fly much less because of the TSA.
      I can honestly say that I avoid travel to or through the USA altogether because of the invasive, ineffective, and time-consuming security measures of the looting TSA and affiliated products.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I can honestly say that I avoid travel to or through the USA altogether because of the invasive, ineffective, and time-consuming security measures of the looting TSA and affiliated products.

        But can't you drive? What do they do to the ones that do drive across the border?
        I'm asking a seriuos question,not being a smartass.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          But can't you drive? What do they do to the ones that do drive across the border?
          I'm asking a seriuos question,not being a smartass.
          At the airport nearest to my home, they got VERY strict after 9/11! They actually searched CARS! NOT people! Not even a real thorough search, but they searched. Every once in a while, they DID get more serious. They never searched MY car like that though. Maybe they didn't feel I was suspicious.

          Canada, Mexico, and the US, now have a kind of free travel agreement with a passcard. It is almost like a drivers license, and is ONLY good for land travel, but it works on land. BESIDES, I doubt anyone fears CANADIANS are going to be harmful.

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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Seems to me that lady must be harboring fear for something...ya never know where people will hide monkeys these days...

    There apparently was a lady in Denver the other day just said heck with it, and went thru the checkpoint naked...(she is now under close observation - no pun intended :rolleyes
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    On our way back from Disney last summer, we went through a TSA checkpoint at the Orlando airport. I had the kids in one line, and my wife went through another line. We just told each other that we'd meet at the departure gate. Our line was shorter, so me and the kids made it to the gate first. But after an hour of waiting at the gate for my wife, I was afraid that she got lost or something. But finally after over an hour, she made it to the gate and she was in tears.

    When she went through the checkpoint, they found a snow globe in her carry-on luggage. It was an expensive snow globe that my wife bought for our daughter's snow globe collection. We knew it was there, because we had specifically asked our airline company about it before checking in, to make sure we could transport it. They said not to put it into our check-in luggage, but to put it into a carry-on bag. But I guess the TSA was not OK with that. They offered to mail it for her, but then refused to let her come get me for a credit-card. So after an hour of arguing with them, she finally had to choose between tossing the globe, or missing the flight. So she had to toss the Globe.

    I must say though, that it was probably a miracle that she was not permitted to come and get me, because I'd probably be on the terrorist's list now.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    WTF is the problem with a snow globe??

    This is the insanity we are living in.

    I wish we could get together and file a class action suit against this stupidity.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      WTF is the problem with a snow globe??
      ****WRONG**** question! The answer to your question is that it is generally AGAINST THE LAW! Snow globes are ONLY allowed if they have less than a couple ci internal space. Almost NONE are that small! WHY are they illegal? AGAIN, not really the right question. You see, they have liquid, and it is AGAINST the law to have a container filled with more than about 3oz of liquid. NO distinction is made, other than that it must be in units of no more than 3oz, and must consume, in total, no more than 32oz of space. YES, you read right!

      SO, NOW for the REAL questions! READY?

      1. WTF is the problem with more than 3oz of liquid?
      2. If there is a problem, then WHY do you allow almost 32oz of liquid to be carried through?

      I DEFY ANYONE to answer!

      You are NOT allowed to carry a 16oz can of coke into the area. You CAN carry an EMPTY can of coke, and 6 3oz containers filled with coke! So WHAT is the difference between a sealed can of coke and a can with coke? well, the SEALED can is obviously safer, since it is from the factory, and sealed, but IT is illegal!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW HERE is the rule I alluded to, called the 3-1-1 rule! 3oz! To fit in 1bag! 1quart total space:

    TSA | Transportation Security Administration | 3-1-1 on Air Travel

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    My question was really not about the snow globe but more about the whole ridiculousness of the stupidity of the guidelines.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      My question was really not about the snow globe but more about the whole ridiculousness of the stupidity of the guidelines.
      YEP, I covered THAT too! This is where I start to sound stupid by asking HOW does it solve the problem, if it doesn't solve the problem? I mean they CLAIM 3oz is somehow safer than more, but allow you to take more! It is like saying that yu can't bring poison darts on a plane, but the poison and the darts are fine!

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        It is like saying that yu can't bring poison darts on a plane, but the poison and the darts are fine!
        That's like the law on black powder pistols in NY.
        I bought a .32 caliber black powder pistol kit years ago, no problem.
        When I went to buy the powder, caps, and balls, I was told for a pistol I needed a pistol permit to buy them together.
        So I bought the powder, brought it out to the car.
        Then I went back in and bought the caps and balls:rolleyes:
        But it was still illegal to put them all together in the gun and fire it without a permit.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW they do NOT make scanners that allow you to simply avoid a patdown. They ARE illegal! The FDA has rules AGAINST them and with GOOD reason! Madame Curie is a good example of WHY!

    Marie Curie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Because of their levels of radioactivity, her papers from the 1890s are considered too dangerous to handle. Even her cookbook is highly radioactive. They are kept in lead-lined boxes, and those who wish to consult them must wear protective clothing.[42]
    And even NON ionizing radiation has been shown to be HARMFUL! What of the people a few years ago that ended up dying, or coming close to death by MISCALIBRATED MEDICAL EQUIPMENT? I swear, people keep playing with radiation and understand VERY little about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    I've had a few run ins with TSA gestapo between 2004-2009 but I harbor the most anger over my bottle of Don Julio.

    I bought a bottle of Don Julio Tequila for a mere 40 pesos from a Walmart in Acapulco. It was sealed but we were told that we couldn't carry it on the plane. ( This is 2005 before the liquid ban). Needless to say they lost the checked bag containing the bottle. When we finally got the bag, not only was my Don Julio opened but 3/4 of it was gone!

    No one knew what happened and we were assured that there would be full investigation.
    I'm still waiting on the results of that one.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      I've had a few run ins with TSA gestapo between 2004-2009 but I harbor the most anger over my bottle of Don Julio.

      I bought a bottle of Don Julio Tequila for a mere 40 pesos from a Walmart in Acapulco. It was sealed but we were told that we couldn't carry it on the plane. ( This is 2005 before the liquid ban). Needless to say they lost the checked bag containing the bottle. When we finally got the bag, not only was my Don Julio opened but 3/4 of it was gone!

      No one knew what happened and we were assured that there would be full investigation.
      I'm still waiting on the results of that one.
      In 1989 I went to a LOT of trouble to get an uncle a JB decanter. He does NOT drink it, and nobody cares, but he DOES treasure the resale value, and the pristine condition. THAT means like a quart of LIQUID!

      The flight attendant was strict, and suggested I check it. LUCKILY, I could communicate(she didn't understand ceramic or decanter, etc...), and she was nice enough to let me store it. TODAY, I wouldn't get past "security". 8-(

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I just refuse to fly - I won't spend the time in jail that I'd be spending after refusing to let them irradiate me at will -- and I KNOW what my reaction would be the to first paw that one of those greasy little fascist maggots laid on me............and trust me, I'm not the type to just stand and cry while someone groped me.

    I don't care whether someone else feels that woman had a "reason" to cry or not - she was treated like a prisoner and someone obviously was searching her body. That is just WRONG no matter how traumatizing someone else feels it should be.

    DO NOT START CONFUSING THE VICTIMS AND THE PERPETRATORS -- The TSA actions in this country are the actions of a fascist regime and should NOT be tolerated by ANYONE.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      But they are tolerated - because people will go through almost any intrusion in the name of "staying safe"- even when the whole show...is only a show.

      If the majority of the public had STOPPED flying when the patdowns began - do you think they'd still be doing it?
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        But they are tolerated - because people will go through almost any intrusion in the name of "staying safe"- even when the whole show...is only a show.

        If the majority of the public had STOPPED flying when the patdowns began - do you think they'd still be doing it?
        I agree with that totally - and am just sick to death of our drooling cattle that call themselves citizens. I don't care if people like that lose their rights - but I don't like losing mine because of them. If the woman was stupid enough to fly knowing what TSA may do to her, that's her fault.

        It also made me feel angry to hear suggestions in here that she was just being too sensitive. That's just wrong to utter one word to support TSA and their perverted little searches. I'm also certain if a man had come through there all shaken up nobody would make any inferences that he was being "too sensitive". Sick of seeing the anti-woman bull **** spreading. Some women are soft and still cry when they are upset -- watch yourselves though, guys -- because there's others that are more like me when we are upset.

        Pointing at the woman and taunting that "she's just" this or that or anything else is just wrong -- the right response is to point at the TSA and ask "What the F*** did you perverts just do to her?"

        People need to just STOP FLYING until we force the TSA OUT of our airports.

        Halycon -- I don't know what low-jacking is. But I get the drift of what you are saying and am in complete agreement with you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          ...

          Halycon -- I don't know what low-jacking is. But I get the drift of what you are saying and am in complete agreement with you.
          Lo-Jack is the radio frequency transceiver that they put into cars to track them when they're stolen. Basically they're going to RFID chip every one of us. Wait they already do that with our passports.
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            Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

            Lo-Jack is the radio frequency transceiver that they put into cars to track them when they're stolen. Basically they're going to RFID chip every one of us. Wait they already do that with our passports.
            And your pets if you let them.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

            Lo-Jack is the radio frequency transceiver that they put into cars to track them when they're stolen. Basically they're going to RFID chip every one of us. Wait they already do that with our passports.
            And in NY with our drivers license if we want.
            New York Offers Drivers License with RFID Tag | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I just refuse to fly - I won't spend the time in jail that I'd be spending after refusing to let them irradiate me at will -- and I KNOW what my reaction would be the to first paw that one of those greasy little fascist maggots laid on me............and trust me, I'm not the type to just stand and cry while someone groped me.

      I don't care whether someone else feels that woman had a "reason" to cry or not - she was treated like a prisoner and someone obviously was searching her body. That is just WRONG no matter how traumatizing someone else feels it should be.

      DO NOT START CONFUSING THE VICTIMS AND THE PERPETRATORS -- The TSA actions in this country are the actions of a fascist regime and should NOT be tolerated by ANYONE.
      Sal, that is the whole problem with this video, none of us know what happened and you can't determine by a extremely poor video that actually show something like 5 seconds of the actualt event.
      Naturally I 100% disagree with the very concept ,morality,and legality of the whole TSA program, it should be ended immediately, but this tape doesn't show anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    You can convince the masses of anything if you tell them it's for their own safety. I'm convinced that by the year 2030 they will be lo-jacking newborns at the hospital.

    All you have to do is tell the parents that it's for their child's safety. Sure some parents will protest but after the celebrity public service announcements, the inspirational songs and the testimonials from the parents who have lo-jacked their kids and love it, the last bit of freedom will be washed away.

    A little Orwellian? Perhaps but not too far fetched in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    It's not just the TSA...

    U.S. News - Kindergartner handcuffed, taken to police station after allegedly throwing tantrum -- and furniture
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      I was just reading that article a little while ago.
      If the kid was actually throwing stuff and being that out of control then what else can you do?
      The funniest part of the whole article to me was when they said they gave her a Coke at the station to calm her down.
      A coke, really? How does caffeine and sugar calm you down,lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Always stop by Taco Bell before getting a pat down, it makes the pat down process go a lot faster.
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    • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Always stop by Taco Bell before getting a pat down, it makes the pat down process go a lot faster.
      I just bet it would. But be careful, two burritos with extra sour cream may just get you qualified as a biological weapon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      We have no idea why that woman is hysterical - it seems out of proportion to what is happening on the video.

      She may be someone who hates to be touched or is embarrassed due to a medical device for all we know. The woman was not a prisoner in any way - she could walk away but she couldn't get on the plane without going through security procedures.

      I don't like the security practices - but her reaction seems totally over the top. I'd be more embarrassed at sobbing like a child in public than I would be over someone touching me on my clothed body.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        We have no idea why that woman is hysterical - it seems out of proportion to what is happening on the video.

        She may be someone who hates to be touched or is embarrassed due to a medical device for all we know. The woman was not a prisoner in any way - she could walk away but she couldn't get on the plane without going through security procedures.

        I don't like the security practices - but her reaction seems totally over the top. I'd be more embarrassed at sobbing like a child in public than I would be over someone touching me on my clothed body.
        That's right we don't know -- so why would assumptions lean toward the woman is crazy instead of assumptions leaning to the totally corrupt and fascist institution did just one more completely despicable thing. And as far as turning around and walking away? Once a TSA agent approaches you - if you walk away, you end up being held for questioning by police, so, yes, you are a prisoner if you decide you don't want to deal with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I don't know why the lady is sobbing, the video kind of starts abruptly. Kind of like there may have been something going on before the video started to cause someone to want to turn on their video camera.

    But personally, I think the crap we'll put up with for the "sense" of safety is getting ridiculous. I'd rather take the 1 in a million chance that there's going to be a terrorist on my plane than to go through the ever building barrage of BS that is meant to make us feel safe.

    <Rant> Give me back the Pre-911 Airports. I loved being able to send someone off right at the departure gate, and being able to watch their flight take off. I'm willing to team up with a few passengers to rip off someone's uderwear-bomb if I have to. But please keep your hands off my scrotum and quit wasting my time and money with the expensive false sense of security. </Rant>
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Gary said...

    But personally, I think the crap we'll put up with for the "sense" of safety is getting ridiculous.


    I'd rather take the 1 in a million chance that there's going to be a terrorist on my plane than to go through the ever building barrage of BS that is meant to make us feel safe.

    I say...

    Do you have something in mind for airport security other than what we have????


    Does anyone??


    The Israeli system? ( it's great for their 3 or 4 airports )


    I'd love to know.


    Cause if anyone's talking about no checking at all,...

    ... you can expect for there to be a lot more mayhem when you want to travel by air...


    ...and the chances of something bad happening will be a lot less than 1 in a million.


    All The Best!!


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      What I would like to see in the future is a body scan that simply identifies when something is outside the range of the norm.

      It would be similar to currently used metal detectors and anyone with medical devices, prosthetics or similar non-norm body parts could be cleared in advance or pulled aside for further checking.

      The failure of the current system is so much is for show - not safety. It looks like great care is taken yet shipments and packages in the hold of the plane are not all checked or scanned.

      If I take cosmetics and meds in liquid form on a plane in my carryone - I have to take only as much as will fit in a one quart plastic bag. Even then the items will be carefully looked at.

      But - I can pack as many of those bottles of gels/liquids/lotions in my checked luggage as I want and the locked bag will go right into the cargo area of the plane. Go figure...
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Gary said...

      But personally, I think the crap we'll put up with for the "sense" of safety is getting ridiculous.


      I'd rather take the 1 in a million chance that there's going to be a terrorist on my plane than to go through the ever building barrage of BS that is meant to make us feel safe.
      I say...(This being TL)

      Do you have something in mind for airport security other than what we have????


      I say: Yes.


      Does anyone??

      I say: Yes.

      TL says:
      The Israeli system? ( it's great for their 3 or 4 airports )


      I'd love to know.

      I say:

      Im sure there are literally 100s of ways to be more secure with the technology we have now.


      TL says:
      Cause if anyone's talking about no checking at all,...

      ... you can expect for there to be a lot more mayhem when you want to travel by air...


      ...and the chances of something bad happening will be a lot less than 1 in a million.


      I say:
      Ir that the current statistics with the current system? Just asking because it was much lower than that before 9/11.

      All The Best!!


      TL
      If all this stuff we have to go through makes you feel safe at an airport then I actually feel sorry for you TL.
      All it does is remind me of Nazi Germany.
      Where there is a will,there is a way.
      This "airport security" is a farce.

      They don't even care who they hire to do the job.

      TSA agents fail background checks

      Instead of saying the are needed, we should be focused on the people that we need to be worrying about,and here is a hint...it is NOT American citizens.
      Think about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Gary said...

      But personally, I think the crap we'll put up with for the "sense" of safety is getting ridiculous.


      I'd rather take the 1 in a million chance that there's going to be a terrorist on my plane than to go through the ever building barrage of BS that is meant to make us feel safe.

      I say...

      Do you have something in mind for airport security other than what we have????


      Does anyone??


      The Israeli system? ( it's great for their 3 or 4 airports )


      I'd love to know.


      Cause if anyone's talking about no checking at all,...

      ... you can expect for there to be a lot more mayhem when you want to travel by air...


      ...and the chances of something bad happening will be a lot less than 1 in a million.


      All The Best!!


      TL
      The last few terrorists that have tried to bomb a plane were actually stopped by passengers. Including the Underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber. Also a few looney passengers and workers have all been stopped by other passengers. I'd rather get rid of most of these "security" measures, and let us be responsible for our own security.

      I don't think there's a man alive that will sit back and let a 911 happen again.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        The last few terrorists that have tried to bomb a plane were actually stopped by passengers. Including the Underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber. Also a few looney passengers and workers have all been stopped by other passengers. I'd rather get rid of most of these "security" measures, and let us be responsible for our own security.

        I don't think there's a man alive that will sit back and let a 911 happen again.
        9/11 happened ****ONLY**** because of insiders placing weapons in seats, and an obscure mandate that was handed down in like the 70s! Basically, they were to SUBMIT to highjackers demands!!!!!!! The plane would be diverted, and later be brought back with ALL SAFE!

        9/11 changed that rule! The rule is now to OBSTRUCT! They have EVEN threatened to put passengers lives in peril to capture the highjackers.

        BTW BANKS have the SAME mandate! Go in with a note, and they are to give you the money. It will likely have a dye pack, and they WILL catch you and throw you in jail, but the customers will be safe.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        The last few terrorists that have tried to bomb a plane were actually stopped by passengers. Including the Underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber. Also a few looney passengers and workers have all been stopped by other passengers. I'd rather get rid of most of these "security" measures, and let us be responsible for our own security.

        I don't think there's a man alive that will sit back and let a 911 happen again.

        So, let me see if I have this right...

        Gary's solution is to not check anyone for anything and then fight it out when a plane is in the middle of a hijacking situation.


        John Wayne lives!!!


        If I'm wrong please correct me Gary.

        All The Best!!

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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          So, let me see if I have this right...

          Gary's solution is to not check anyone for anything and then fight it out when a plane is in the middle of a hijacking situation.


          John Wayne lives!!!


          If I'm wrong please correct me Gary.

          All The Best!!

          TL
          Nope you are exactly right. Because technically that's what is happening now anyway. Very few threats are even caught at the checkpoints. They are still being stopped once on board.

          And I'd bet my life on the fact that if those on board the planes of 9-11 knew what was possible, that it would have never happened. - - We all now know what is possible.



          Here's my real solution - Right now we have the technology to fly and land a plane without a pilot. So we should just put in a pilot emergency switch. When the button is hit, automated resources take over the flight and then manual control can not be maintained again until the plane is on the ground. - And then we broadcast that we have this failsafe method in place. Once people realize that they can no longer control an airplane, it becomes a less enticing target.
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by garyv View Post

            Nope you are exactly right. Because technically that's what is happening now anyway. Very few threats are even caught at the checkpoints. They are still being stopped once on board.

            And I'd bet my life on the fact that if those on board the planes of 9-11 knew what was possible, that it would have never happened. - - We all now know what is possible.



            Here's my real solution - Right now we have the technology to fly and land a plane without a pilot. So we should just put in a pilot emergency switch. When the button is hit, automated resources take over the flight and then manual control can not be maintained again until the plane is on the ground. - And then we broadcast that we have this failsafe method in place. Once people realize that they can no longer control an airplane, it becomes a less enticing target.

            OK JW!


            It would also help if our policy was to reinforce the cabin doors and to not let anyone in or out of the cockpit under any circumstances - whatsoever.


            That's an Israeli policy that I can agree to.


            All The Best!!

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              OK JW!


              It would also help if our policy was to reinforce the cabin doors and to not let anyone in or out of the cockpit under any circumstances - whatsoever.


              That's an Israeli policy that I can agree to.


              All The Best!!

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              They DID do that, and it is often followed.
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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    But they are tolerated - because people will go through almost any intrusion in the name of "staying safe"- even when the whole show...is only a show.

    If the majority of the public had STOPPED flying when the patdowns began - do you think they'd still be doing it?
    NOBODY thinks this is for safety! It is to push people, try to limit liberty, and help the union and government control the people.

    Airports are like a bizarro world. They violate the 1,2,4-10, etc... amendments. You CAN'T appear to disagree because, if you do, you could be PUT IN JAIL! Don't you DARE speak of the lack of security, or say bomb, etc...

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    You might want to watch this video:

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    After 9/11, it was revealed that over 30% of all workers at LAX were EX FELONS! Some were in the security areas. I even found a worker at mcdonalds that COULDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH!

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    Again, the video was way too short to know anything. So all anyone can do is make assumptions.
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      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post


      Are you advocating this policy for the USA????


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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Are you advocating this policy for the USA????


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        Political correctness has NO PLACE when it comes to the safety of our citizens...I believe profiling, in this case, is necessary.
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          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Political correctness has NO PLACE when it comes to the safety of our citizens...I believe profiling, in this case, is necessary.

          I hear ya Dave.


          You know if you still have that beard, I think you're more likely to be stopped and thoroughly searched than the average non-middle eastern looking person.

          Would that be OK with you??


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            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I hear ya Dave.


            You know if you still have that beard, I think you're more likely to be stopped and thoroughly searched than the average non-middle eastern looking person.

            Would that be OK with you??


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          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Political correctness has NO PLACE when it comes to the safety of our citizens...I believe profiling, in this case, is necessary.

          I think I can predict what's going to happen under that policy.


          - First we stop all the arabs and middle eastern looking folks.

          - Then a black person commits an act of terror and then...

          ... we start stopping all black people.

          - Then a latino looking muslim commits an act of terror and then...

          ... we start stopping all latino looking people.


          Then a white American ( could be muslim, could be militia )...


          ...commits an act of terror and then...


          ... we're back to square one - everyone's subject.




          Oh, I forgot about the Asians - nothing personal.


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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I think I can predict what's going to happen under that policy.


            - First we stop all the arabs and middle eastern looking folks.

            - Then a black person commits an act of terror and then...

            ... we start stopping all black people.

            - Then a latino looking muslim commits an act of terror and then...

            ... we start stopping all latino looking people.


            Then a white American ( could be muslim, could be militia )...


            ...commits an act of terror and then...


            ... we're back to square one - everyone's subject.




            Oh, I forgot about the Asians - nothing personal.


            All The Best!!

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            LOL< thanks for the best laugh of the day!
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I think I can predict what's going to happen under that policy.


            - First we stop all the arabs and middle eastern looking folks.

            - Then a black person commits an act of terror and then...

            ... we start stopping all black people.

            - Then a latino looking muslim commits an act of terror and then...

            ... we start stopping all latino looking people.


            Then a white American ( could be muslim could be militia )...


            ...commits an act of terror and then...


            ... we're back to square one - everyone's subject.




            Oh, I forgot about the Asians.


            All The Best!!

            TL
            Profiling doesn't mean stopping ALL people of a particular race. Those security folks are also highly trained in body language.

            And as far as "act of terror" goes. Just this past week in my town alone I've seen two instances in the newspaper where people have been charged with "making a terrorist threat"

            1 - A scoolteacher who blew her stack and called a parent at home and threatened to kick her a**...

            2 - a man distraught over a divorce who went to a public park and threatened to shoot himself...

            Looks to me like EVERYBODY is a potiential terrorist.
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              Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

              Profiling doesn't mean stopping ALL people of a particular race. Those security folks are also highly trained in body language.

              And as far as "act of terror" goes. Just this past week in my town alone I've seen two instances in the newspaper where people have been charged with "making a terrorist threat"

              1 - A scoolteacher who blew her stack and called a parent at home and threatened to kick her a**...

              2 - a man distraught over a divorce who went to a public park and threatened to shoot himself...

              Looks to me like EVERYBODY is a potiential terrorist.

              That dude was only a threat to himself.

              I'm talking about real acts of terror -especially in airports etc.


              I understand that everyone from a group will not be profiled and pulled over...


              ...but as soon as a person from a particular group does something, that group will be added to the list.


              Then the terrorists will use someone from a group not on the list and the beat goes on and on and on - getting us back to square one which is what we have now...


              ... Arizona for everyone.



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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I predicted years ago the fear after 9/11 would lead us to finding a terrorist under every pebble - and that's what happened.

                Profiling is so much more than identifying someone by race or ethnicity. Profilers who are trained look for eye movement and body language you wouldn't even think of.

                The word "profiling" has become another political football - and that's too bad because it's a good way to identify threats. Unfortunately, the public perception and loud protests have led to random searching rather than more effective profiling.
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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  I predicted years ago the fear after 9/11 would lead us to finding a terrorist under every pebble - and that's what happened.

                  Profiling is so much more than identifying someone by race or ethnicity. Profilers who are trained look for eye movement and body language you wouldn't even think of.

                  The word "profiling" has become another political football - and that's too bad because it's a good way to identify threats. Unfortunately, the public perception and loud protests have led to random searching rather than more effective profiling.

                  PROFILING is a buzzword used to incite racism - they learn instincts, but some of those instincts can be mislead...checking everyone only seems to desensitize the instincts to satisfy political correctness. If something doesn't look right, or 'feel' right...check it out - but searching everyone and their baby is foolish, and does not accomplish much except breed frustration and contempt for the system. (jmo)

                  Can a terrorist fool instinct? Sure - but he is also not very likely and able to hypnotize a mid-west family of 3 into strapping a bomb to their baby...

                  If I thought like a terrorist...I would certainly be laughing at all the TSA 'safety' measures - they just make my job actually easier, by adding focus to what I set out to accomplish. Fear.

                  Sure, there is 'heightened' awareness (fear) all over. All I have to do now is say 'Boo' every now and then...
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Some may call it racial profiling others call it protecting our citizens. Once again some people think Political Correctness should outweigh the safety of real American citizens.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Some may call it racial profiling others call it protecting our citizens. Once again some people think Political Correctness should outweigh the safety of real American citizens.
      Just add a 'd' - switch the 'c' & 'i' around...there - 'Radical' profiling
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  • Profile picture of the author ahlexis
    The thing that bothers me most about 9/11 and the security theater afterward is, it's not just at airports anymore. (That and the fact that actor James Woods tried to give them a heads up about the four suspicious Middle Eastern travelers on his flight a full month in advance and the FBI didn't get back to him until September 12th, 2001! Don't even get me started on the boxcutters he said FBI told him they found on planes that hadn't flown on 9/11.)

    During Spring Break I was actually on the way driving to Arizona, and going through El Paso, Texas to get there you cannot avoid a certain checkpoint. The border patrol guy (not sure what agency) asks me and my significant other "Are you American citizens?" It was a good thing I was sleepy and didn't want to talk much, as he had a thick accent and was a dark skinned Latino dude. I was tempted to say, "Yeah--are YOU???" That probably wouldn't have gone over too well . . .
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by ahlexis View Post

      Don't even get me started on the boxcutters he said FBI told him they found on planes that hadn't flown on 9/11.)
      THANK YOU! I keep bringing that up, and it is like NOBODY notices! INSIDERS helped on the preparation! There are over 5 MILLION people that FIGHT to prevent ANY changes, and new paperwork could make airport operations near IMPOSSIBLE, so they are allowed to bring dangerous stuff through with NO checks!

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