Does the word "accident" exist any more?

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Three items in my local paper this morning have made me despair even further - here they are:

1. A woman was sent away on business and had to stay overnight. While away she met up with a male and retired to her motel room. Somehow in her passion, the light fitting on the headboard was pulled off (I wonder how) and hit her on the head. She claimed that the accident was incurred during the course of her employment, and the magistrate agreed. She might have been "on the job", but really?

2. Two girls were playing tennis at a local private school. One got hit in the eye (causing no damage). The girl's parents are now suing the parents of the other girl (because they have money), and is also suing the school for not providing protective eyeware. Amazing!

3. Most tragic of all, a youth with a string of convictions for stealing cats was released on bail. On Friday, at the end of the shift at the local hospital were going home for the weekend. This clown ran a red light, struck down rwo women crossing the road (on a pedestrian crossing), killed one of them, and drove off. He then crashed the car (some poor innocent's car remember), and suffered minor injuries. He was then taken to the same hospital where the woman he killed had worked. I hope the doctors attending him were friends of the dead woman - his traetment may be a bit harsh! He now has a team (not one), but a team of lawyers rushing to his defence. Remember, this guy killed a woman in broad daylight, and was identified by at least fifty witnesses. What defence is there?

OK I've got that off my chest I feel better now!
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    It's crazy what people are suing for these days. I saw one the other day where a father is suring his son's school. The son had signed an ethics agreement saying he would not cheat, etc. The son was caught cheating and expelled. So the father is suing the school over this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    So, what you're saying is that Australia has flakes, opportunists, and dirtbags just like America. That's disappointing. I was holding Australia out as one of the places I could hide out when it gets so bad here there's no saving the place.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      So, what you're saying is that Australia has flakes, opportunists, and dirtbags just like America. That's disappointing. I was holding Australia out as one of the places I could hide out when it gets so bad here there's no saving the place.
      This garbage is spreading ALL OVER! 8-(

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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I was holding Australia out as one of the places I could hide out when it gets so bad here there's no saving the place.
      Hi Dennis,

      Good to hear from my old mate Boogie Jack.

      I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

        Hi Dennis,

        Good to hear from my old mate Boogie Jack.

        I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness
        Yeah, I'm afraid so. It would have to be a place with absolutely no appeal. I mostly hang out down here in the cellar these days. Good core group of people and not as many ... flakes! You should come down here more often, Peter.
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      • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
        [QUOTE=peter_act;6186651]Hi Dennis,

        Good to hear from my old mate Boogie Jack.

        I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness[/QUOch

        too much pollution there now
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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors View Post


          too much pollution there now
          How's NZ these days? I'm from sunny Napier, but left for the bright lights of Canberra, soon to be the bright lights of the Gold Coast. (Gotta be warmer than Wisconsin, Dennis - By the way, does anything EVER happen in Wisconsin? Never hear of it down here)

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            Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

            How's NZ these days? I'm from sunny Napier, but left for the bright lights of Canberra, soon to be the bright lights of the Gold Coast. (Gotta be warmer than Wisconsin, Dennis - By the way, does anything EVER happen in Wisconsin? Never hear of it down here)

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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

            (Gotta be warmer than Wisconsin, Dennis - By the way, does anything EVER happen in Wisconsin? Never hear of it down here)

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            Peter, sure, plenty happens here. Including the kind of nonsense featured in this thread. There apparently is media bias against Wisconsin in your area. We may have to sue.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Peter, sure, plenty happens here. Including the kind of nonsense featured in this thread. There apparently is media bias against Wisconsin in your area. We may have to sue.
              I wouldn't worry about it Dennis. Peter lives in Canberra, the only place on Earth that makes Wisconsin look exciting*.



              *I sought advice from my lawyer before posting that.
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              • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                I wouldn't worry about it Dennis. Peter lives in Canberra, the only place on Earth that makes Wisconsin look exciting*.
                Couldn't agree more - that's why I'm moving to Queensland as soon as I can get out of here!

                Meanwhile, the PC insanity rolls ever onward:

                The well respected University of Sydney is advertising for a professor of Philosophy.

                The advertisement reads, in part:

                "The University is an equal opportunity employer, and does not discriminate on the basis of race, colour, religion, disability or mental capacity.

                One would have thought that one needed some modicum of intelligence to be a professor of philosophy!
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness
        Two words: Aliens. Predators.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

        Hi Dennis,

        Good to hear from my old mate Boogie Jack.

        I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness
        Tierra Del Fuego? Forget it. It's reached the shores over there too. There is no getting away. There is only one place where the more wrongs you commit, the safer you'll be from lawsuits and prosecution:

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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Another resurrection of this thread - this was surely an accident, if ever there was one. Suspend your belief and read on ....

          Canberra cyclist ordered to pay $1.7 million over collision with fellow rider

          A cyclist has been ordered to pay his friend nearly $1.7 million in damages after the man was knocked off his bike and hit by a car when the pair collided on their way home from work. Court documents said David Blick was riding slightly ahead of Michael Anthony Franklin on the off-ramp from Capital Circle onto Canberra Avenue during the evening peak hour on June 17, 2009.

          Mr Blick hit a large wooden tree stake that was lying in the bike lane and veered into his friend, causing him to fall off his bike and into the path of an oncoming car.

          Mr Franklin (the victim) assumed he would be covered for personal injury because the accident involved a car, court documents said. But a solicitor advised him the the driver's third party insurance would only cover him if it could be proven the driver was negligent. So he instead sued Mr Blick for negligence, claiming he failed to keep a proper lookout for dangers on the road and was not riding safely.

          But Mr Blick denied he was liable and said his only duty was to take "reasonable care" in the circumstances. He said the fact he lost control of the bike because he hit the wooden stake did not mean he breached that duty.

          But in his judgement Justice John Burns found Mr Blick had acted negligently and not exercised reasonable care to observe the piece of wood before the collision.

          "The defendant was aware that the plaintiff was riding his bicycle adjacent to the defendant, so that any loss of control of the defendant's bicycle presented a risk of injury to the plaintiff. The need to exercise reasonable care to avoid colliding with objects likely to cause the defendant to lose control of his bicycle was even more apparent because the cycleway on which the plaintiff and defendant were riding was immediately adjacent to a busy road."

          Mr Burns was satisfied the defendant breached his duty of care to Mr Franklin and that the man's injuries were a result of Mr Blick's negligence.

          "Bearing in mind the size of the piece of wood and the lighting in the area, I am satisfied that if the defendant had exercised reasonable care he would have seen and avoided the piece of wood."

          He ordered Mr Blick pay Mr Franklin $1,659,392.75 in damages, plus legal costs.

          And all this from two friends just riding home from work!
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          • Profile picture of the author peter_act
            Looks like the floddgates have opened - lawyers and insurance companies are rubbing their hands.

            Another Canberra cyclist is facing potential legal action after allegedly running into a 7-year-old girl and breaking her leg

            Noor Blumer, a Director of Blumers Personal Injury Lawyers whose firm is representing the girl and her family, said while rare, there had been several other cases of cyclists injuring other people, and those who were uninsured risked damages that could be financially devastating.

            While not able to discuss the specifics of the young girl's case, Ms Blumer said cyclists not covered by insurance risked being sued personally if found at fault for damage.

            "The cyclist in this $1.7 million case appears to have had insurance coverage. If he didn't, then he would have to pay the money himself - this would bankrupt most people."

            She seems to be saying that if the first cyclist had not been insured, those exorbitant damages and costs would not have been ordered to that extent.

            One wonders what would have happened if the positions had ben reversed, and the cyclist had been a 7 year old child (with no insurance) running into an adult.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        Mate where have you been? Us Australians are in some ways worse than some Americans, because so many of us admire you and adopt the bad parts of your culture. Sometimes long after Americans have adopted "X".

        Never to Australia, but it is one of the places I'd like to visit. I've been to a lot of different countries, but not Australia ... yet.

        As for adopting the bad part of our culture, just say no.
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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Here we go again!
          Canberra is known as one of the most liberal forms of local government in Austraia.
          This time a lawyer is defending a serial thief accused of stealing an i-pad. Read on....

          "A court has been asked to decide whether a man trying to find his allegedly stolen iPad was acting unlawfully when he tracked it down to a north Canberra townhouse using Apple's anti-theft app and a GPS.

          Police, acting on the man's information, allegedly discovered the iPad and a cache of stolen items at the Forde house where 49-year-old Alden Harder lived.

          Mr Harder's lawyer has argued the man physically trespassed on his client's property while searching for the iPad and had also committed ''trespass via radio wave'' when he activated an alarm on the device while it was inside Mr Harder's house.

          Mr Harder has not been charged with any offence.

          On Monday, police applied to the ACT Magistrates Court for a forensic procedures order, asking for the man to submit to fingerprinting. Mr Harder is fighting the order.

          Police allege the iPad was stolen from a house that was under construction in Braddon on May 24 but the theft wasn't reported until three days later.

          They say the owner used Apple's in-built Find My iPad service and his GPS to track down the iPad to Mr Harder's townhouse in Forde on May 25. He walked around the property and looked in a window.

          Find My iPad allows users to remotely track their missing or stolen iPad via GPS and to send messages, trigger an alarm or wipe their device.

          The man went to police with the information but was apparently unable to elicit action.

          The court heard the man went back to the townhouse a second time on May 29 and used the app to trigger the alarm on the iPad, which he then heard ringing inside the garage.

          Police then obtained a search warrant for Mr Harder's house.

          They allegedly discovered the iPad and a haul of other items, including laptops and a police officer's badge, which were said to have been stolen from as far back as 2009.

          The court heard police wanted to take Mr Harder's fingerprints to see if they matched prints taken from the scene of the iPad theft and another burglary.

          But Mr Harder's lawyer Paul Edmonds argued the search was based on evidence which was obtained unlawfully because the man trespassed on his client's property while walking round the townhouse.

          ''It's very clear that [the alleged victim's] purpose was to play amateur detective and to carry out a test with the GPS in his iPhone in an attempt to obtain evidence to give police as to the location of his iPad,'' he said.

          Mr Edmonds told the court that the iPad owner had also trespassed electronically by remotely setting off the iPad alarm while it was in Mr Harder's house.

          He said the electronic trespass was similar to other non-physical types of trespass which included using force to propel a person or item on to private property and, in one case, projecting light on to a property.

          Prosecutor Keegan Lee said if electronic transmission were a trespass then ''I would say nearly everybody in this courtroom has committed that act by having a wireless router'' that transmitted Wi-Fi internet through their homes and into their neighbours' property.

          He said the iPad owner knew or believed the device was stolen and was exercising a ''claim of right'' by going around trying to find it - a full defence to trespass. ''If he was exercising a claim of right there is no trespass,'' he said. The court heard the man could also have been walking about on a common or public area in the townhouse complex.

          Mr Lee said Chief Magistrate Lorraine Walker would be satisfied on the evidence that Mr Harder was a suspect in two burglaries and could grant the forensic order for fingerprints."

          To me, there are some salient points in this sorry saga.

          Firstly, "The man went to police with the information but was apparently unable to elicit action." - the police were presented with evidence on a plate and still did nothing.

          Secondly, from the defence lawyer, ''It's very clear that [the alleged victim's] purpose was to play amateur detective and to carry out a test with the GPS in his iPhone in an attempt to obtain evidence to give police as to the location of his iPad,'' - Precisely - what's his point?

          Thirdly, the use of the word "allegedly". The guy's house was full of stolen goods Thre's no "allegedly" about it.

          Fourthly, "Mr Edmonds told the court that the iPad owner had also trespassed electronically" - I'm sure he just made this up.

          And fifthly, saddest of all, "Mr Harder has not been charged with any offence." - hopefully this is because there are so many to choose from.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I'm also relieved the guy stole cars - I was worried about the cats:p

            It occurs to me the conspiracy theorists and those who predict the world is going to end are barking up the wrong trees - or maybe are in the wrong forest.

            We don't need an apocolypse or a revolution - we'll destroy ourselves through stupidity. Shouldn't be long now...
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            • Profile picture of the author peter_act
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I'm also relieved the guy stole cars - I was worried about the cats
              Sorry Kay - he stole those too - he was a cat burglar!
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              • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                Thought I'd better resurrect this old thread as after four years and countless dollars paid to lawyers the verdict has finally been given in the "sex on the job" case mentioned in post #1.

                The government says a court decision to deny compensation to a public servant injured while having sex is a "victory for common sense".

                The High Court has ruled in Canberra on Wednesday morning that the woman, hurt in a "vigorous" sex session in a country motel six years ago, was not entitled to compensation from federal workplace insurer Comcare because the circumstances of her injury were unrelated to her employment.

                But after four years before the courts, the case still divides legal opinion, with two High Court judges disagreeing with the majority of their colleagues and arguing the woman should have been paid out.

                Public Service Minister Eric Abetz welcomed the decision, saying the landmark judgment would ensure a more "sensible" approach to managing claims in the future. "The High Court has taken a very welcome common sense approach that will see a more sensible approach prevail in the future," Senator Abetz said. "This decision protects the currency of work place safety, which was in serious danger of being trivialised by this claim."

                Lawyers for Comcare argued throughout the four-year legal saga that the public servant should not get taxpayer-funded compensation as result of a "personal choice" to have sex while on the work trip.

                But the woman's barrister argued the public service, having sent the woman to the NSW country town, was liable for her welfare, even if she was injured while having sex.

                The bureaucrat suffered lacerations to her nose and mouth as well as "psychological injuries" when a glass light fitting was pulled from the wall of the motel room as she had sex with a local man in Nowra in November 2007.

                The legal saga has rumbled on since 2009, through the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, the Federal Court and now the High Court. The case has been dubbed "scheme significant" by Comcare bosses, who are trying to stem a rising tide of compensation claims by public sector workers.

                Appearing for the federal government at the High Court hearing in August, federal Solicitor-General Justin Gleeson, SC, told six judges that the sex activity was "in every sense a personal choice".

                The public servant's previous appeal to the Federal Court was successful when the lower court decided the federal government, having sent the woman on the trip, was liable for everything that happened to her there, provided she was not engaging in misconduct.

                But Comcare's appeal to Australia's highest court argued the injury was sustained during an interval or interlude to the woman's official duties and was not "compensable".

                In a judgment handed down in Canberra on Wednesday morning, the High Court upheld Comcare's appeal in a 4-2 majority decision.
                Since this was decided in the High Court, that's the end of it - no right of appeal.
                A victory for common sense indeed, but who paid for all this for four years?
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                • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                  Another update on this case:

                  "Employment Minister Eric Abetz indulged in "lurid fantasies" about a public servant who claimed workers' compensation for injuries sustained while having sex in a motel room, the woman's barrister says.

                  Sydney barrister Leo Grey says the minister has grossly misrepresented the facts of the case and indulged in lurid fantasies by calling the injured bureaucrat a "libidinous claimant".

                  Senator Abetz made his comments last week while launching changes to the Comcare workers' compensation system for federal public servants, saying the case highlighted the problems with the scheme.

                  The six-year legal saga came to an end in 2014 when the High Court decided that the public servant was not entitled to compensation for physical and psychological injuries she sustained when a light fitting was pulled from a wall while she had sex in a Nowra motel room in 2007.

                  Senator Abetz revealed last week that the case, known as PVYW to protect the woman's identity, had cost taxpayers more than $600,000 in legal fees
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm wondering if people breed a kid that hurts itself or someone else and the parents try to sue -- couldn't they be counter sued for breeding something so substandard that it is a risk to itself and others? Sounds like a perfect counter-suit to me. Would stop a LOT of insanity real fast. LMAO.
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  • Profile picture of the author peter_act
    Originally Posted by peter_act View Post


    3. Most tragic of all, a youth with a string of convictions for stealing cats was released on bail. On Friday, at the end of the shift at the local hospital were going home for the weekend. This clown ran a red light, struck down rwo women crossing the road (on a pedestrian crossing), killed one of them, and drove off. He then crashed the car (some poor innocent's car remember), and suffered minor injuries. He was then taken to the same hospital where the woman he killed had worked. I hope the doctors attending him were friends of the dead woman - his traetment may be a bit harsh! He now has a team (not one), but a team of lawyers rushing to his defence. Remember, this guy killed a woman in broad daylight, and was identified by at least fifty witnesses. What defence is there?
    I just re-read my post, and noticed that I said the guy had convictions for stealing cats!

    For those who misread the typo, I really meant stealing cars.
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      Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

      I just re-read my post, and noticed that I said the guy had convictions for stealing cats!

      For those who misread the typo, I really meant stealing cars.
      Haha, and here was I thinking he'd been convicted for stealing cats

      Everyone sues for everything these days. I know I've had a few people think I'm a bit strange because I didn't sue over my son getting attacked by a dog. The way I see it is he was lucky his injuries weren't any worse. We had minor medical bills and I'm pretty sure our insurance will cover the ambulance cost. So is it really worth suing anyone over it????? More hassle than it would be worth I recon!
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      • Profile picture of the author peter_act
        Here we go again! Daughter suing her own grandmother!

        News item reads:

        "An Australian grandmother is being sued by her family for the severe injuries her granddaughter sustained when they fell down five years ago.

        Hannelore Hoffman denies negligence in the tumble she took down a set of stairs while holding her 5-month-old grandchild, Molly Boland.

        The accident occurred in dim light early on Jan. 25, 2006, at a holiday cottage at Smiths Lake, south of Forster, where she was staying with her granddaughter, and daughter and son-in-law Susan and Jason Boland.

        The Bolands are seeking hundreds of thousand of dollars in damages from Hoffmann, the Telegraph said.

        Hoffmann and the Bolands, meanwhile, are suing other parties involved in renovations that had been made to the vacation home.

        That suit alleges the builder, joiners, architect and home owners were negligent in carrying out the renovations, including the absence of a non-slip floor surface, the shape of the stairs and the absence of a handrail for part of the descent."

        Seems like after any accident, ring the lawyers first, then the ambulance.
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  • What is most discouraging now, is the fact that there is going to be a huge glut of Law students facing a massive unemployment pool in the U.S. and probably elsewhere...

    Hmmm...let's see...what are they going to do with all their time? :rolleyes:




    (suing the school for protective eyewear on tennis courts...that one cracks me up...)



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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Peter left out the craziest law suit of all from Down Under:

    A young woman is suing the private school she went to because she didn't get a place in University to study, wait for it......

























    ......Law.

    The lawsuit itself tells you why she didn't get in methinks.

    School 'failed to get me into law'
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  • Profile picture of the author saunterer
    These incidents can happen with any one and anytime. So, you should be prepared to deal with these instances in life. All you have to do ids to hire a good lawyer who can really help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustVisiting
    "Does the word "accident" exist any more?"

    NOT if you are an attorney it doesn't !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author peter_act
    Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

    Three items in my local paper this morning have made me despair even further - here they are:

    1. A woman was sent away on business and had to stay overnight. While away she met up with a male and retired to her motel room. Somehow in her passion, the light fitting on the headboard was pulled off (I wonder how) and hit her on the head. She claimed that the accident was incurred during the course of her employment, and the magistrate agreed. She might have been "on the job", but really?
    Update: She lost her case on an appeal by the public service insurer - a victory for common sense

    Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

    3. Most tragic of all, a youth with a string of convictions for stealing cars was released on bail. On Friday, at the end of the shift at the local hospital were going home for the weekend. This clown ran a red light, struck down rwo women crossing the road (on a pedestrian crossing), killed one of them, and drove off. He then crashed the car (some poor innocent's car remember), and suffered minor injuries. He was then taken to the same hospital where the woman he killed had worked. I hope the doctors attending him were friends of the dead woman - his treatment may be a bit harsh! He now has a team (not one), but a team of lawyers rushing to his defence. Remember, this guy killed a woman in broad daylight, and was identified by at least fifty witnesses. What defence is there?
    Update: The drunk driver who killed hospital worker Linda Cox in a horror hit and run outside Canberra Hospital has died while serving his time.

    Justin Monfries, 26, died on Wednesday after being transferred to hospital from Alexander Maconochie Centre, where he was serving a 13-year sentence.

    Monfries recently lost an appeal against his sentence, after arguing it was excessive.
    He said he was not given enough discount for his guilty pleas, his punishment didn't match similar cases, his mental health wasn't considered properly and he was treated too harshly for the stolen car offence.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

      Hi Dennis,

      Good to hear from my old mate Boogie Jack.

      I think you'll have to go to Antarctica to escape this madness
      No, according to the latest dodgy scientific report, Antartica will have palm trees there soon, and apparently the rest of the world will be underwater?


      Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

      How's NZ these days? I'm from sunny Napier, but left for the bright lights of Canberra, soon to be the bright lights of the Gold Coast. (Gotta be warmer than Wisconsin, Dennis - By the way, does anything EVER happen in Wisconsin? Never hear of it down here)

      Cheers
      Canberra, yuck, l went there a while ago, and remeber the bittery cold nights. Never again!

      Stay at the Gold Coast, can't get enough of those theme parks!

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I'm also relieved the guy stole cars - I was worried about the cats:p

      It occurs to me the conspiracy theorists and those who predict the world is going to end are barking up the wrong trees - or maybe are in the wrong forest.

      We don't need an apocolypse or a revolution - we'll destroy ourselves through stupidity. Shouldn't be long now...
      True, in the past when one country fell apart, another conquered it. But these days with Nuclear weapons we are allowed to see how deep we can dig a hole!

      Don't worry they will abolish all lawyers next year, and everything will be wonderful!



      Well, them and politically correct A***w***, which are doing considerable damage to society in general!
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  • Profile picture of the author tonylest75
    If anyone can hit someone intentionally, then its not an accident otherwise if you are doing something and you don't how someone got hit then it simply an accident.
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