Interesting Read: Scamworld: 'Get rich quick' schemes mutate into an online monster

by yako
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I am sure my post was deleted by moderators just because it was on the main marketing forum...

Although I disagree with about 85% of what the article says, I think many Warriors will find this an interesting read and thats why I am sharing it (hoping it doesn't get deleted this time)

The article was published at The Verge
Scamworld: 'Get rich quick' schemes mutate into an online monster | The Verge
  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    It's been deleted several times and this one will be too - for obvious reasons.

    Give the mods a few minutes.. they'll find it
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    • Profile picture of the author Cyberdog1
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      It's been deleted several times and this one will be too - for obvious reasons.

      Give the mods a few minutes.. they'll find it
      I actually see it as a warning to be careful online, I don't see anything wrong with posting this, thanks for the post
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Cyberdog1 View Post

        I actually see it as a warning to be careful online, I don't see anything wrong with posting this, thanks for the post
        Anyone else see the irony of a lawyer calling IMers scammers?
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  • Profile picture of the author yako
    I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the article is mostly full of BS itself, but I also think that deleting a link to it is also as dangerous as putting a whole industry into the same bag.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by yako View Post

      I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the article is mostly full of BS itself, but I also think that deleting a link to it is also as dangerous as putting a whole industry into the same bag.
      I don't understand your logic.
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      • Profile picture of the author yako
        I just don't see the point on censoring an article which confuses IM with scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It's actually not censoring as much as freedom of speech.If the board owner doesn't want it on his board,that's his choice.It is still widely available many other places. I must have seen it posted by at least 20+ friends on FaceBook.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I got a boiler room call from Robert Allen once,and it went pretty much the way the article reported. I think i signed up for his Multiple Streams of Internet Income newsletter after buying the book or something like that. I got on his list somehow.
    Those people are relentless.

    I don't feel the article is confusing IMers with scammers as much as mixing the two together.
    There ARE Internet Merketing Scammers. There is no question, and there are some on this forum. That doesn't make all IMers scammers though.
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    • Profile picture of the author yako
      I also disagree on how the author questions the way how some IMs promote their products using questionable promises like "$1000 a month from home"... as I write this I have a huge billboard infront of my window from a big deodorant brand which is stating that if I buy it girls will fall in love with me instantly.

      I think that if the author wanted to put on the table the issue of misleading statements in advertising he should not have limited his concerns to IM and comment that misleading consumers with false statements or unverifiable facts is everywhere out there, including some of the world's largest companies.

      I am sure misleading consumers is not right and is something that should be addressed, but misleading readers into believing that the whole internet maketing is a scam is also wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    The main reason the discussion gets deleted is a matter of economics for the board owner. He makes money having a forum which discusses ways to make money (including I.M.), and linking to an article which in a way paints ALL IMers as scammers, well, you see the issue.

    And the main issue with the article is the author pretty much got all his facts from ne source while pretty much not doing a very good job of getting rebuttals, interviewing those he calls out, etc.

    As for the content itself, much of it has merit. But per the reasons I just mentioned, how do I know how accurate some of it is? An unhappy customer in ANY niche throws the word "scammer" around when it's simply a customer service issue.

    The IM niche indeed has room for improvement, and could use a good sweeping. But if you're going to write about it, it helps to have good, solid info from ALL parties - not just one.
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    • Profile picture of the author yako
      Yes, I can understand the reasons why the link was removed, though probably not share them. I think the Warrior Forum offers a service built by a community that does not encourage any of the deceptive practices that are mentioned in the article. I never saw a message in the forum like "How to scam people online" and I'm sure such a message would not be accepted.

      Even more, I think it is wise to allow this discussion, both for the image of the forum as for economic issues. I think it puts the forum in the position of "here you can make money online without scamming anyone and we have no problems with people discussing the topic"

      Anyway thanks to the moderators for allowing this thread


      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      The main reason the discussion gets deleted is a matter of economics for the board owner. He makes money having a forum which discusses ways to make money (including I.M.), and linking to an article which in a way paints ALL IMers as scammers, well, you see the issue.

      And the main issue with the article is the author pretty much got all his facts from ne source while pretty much not doing a very good job of getting rebuttals, interviewing those he calls out, etc.

      As for the content itself, much of it has merit. But per the reasons I just mentioned, how do I know how accurate some of it is? An unhappy customer in ANY niche throws the word "scammer" around when it's simply a customer service issue.

      The IM niche indeed has room for improvement, and could use a good sweeping. But if you're going to write about it, it helps to have good, solid info from ALL parties - not just one.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, there IS a lot of truth to the article. But not all IM marketers are like that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Originally Posted by yako View Post

    I am sure my post was deleted by moderators just because it was on the main marketing forum...
    Nope. It was deleted because it's essentially a duplicate thread. There have been a bunch of those in main discussion, the first two of which, at least, were not deleted.

    How many do we need on the same article?


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      The main reason the discussion gets deleted is a matter of economics for the board owner.
      Nope. See my post above.

      If you could hear the anger in Allen's voice when he talks about the actual scammers in the industry, and what they do to people's dreams, you'd never think anything like that again.


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      • Profile picture of the author nofearman
        Just watched the Scam World video and had to see what Warrior activity was on this scorching assault on that well known inner circle of "guru" IM'ers. .
        I think most savvy people around here are well aware of the "hype" most of these so-called "gurus" push. We knew before Salty Droid and Scamworld ever appeared on the scene. These guys indeed prey on the vulnerable.

        That said, I have followed most of these guys for years. Had to setup a dedicated email to accommodate all the infinite solicitations.
        And, although I never buy anything (except I did get Frank Kern's "Mass Control" on eBay for a tiny fraction of his $2000 price-tag), I do learn something new from many of them now and then. Sometimes a topic gives a nudge to my own dormant creativity.

        And, I wouldn't group all IM'ers as scammers. I mean this forum is an IM forum and look at the invaluable information it provides. I am one of the biggest suckers for WSOs. But, the value i get from a $7 WSO for video marketing, for example, that may only give me one idea that could get me closer to dramatically increasing my ecommerce business exposure, is a no brainer.
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