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Safeway Suspends Employee After He Stopped A Man From Hitting Pregnant Girlfriend

by kenmichaels
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There should be more people around willing to intervene, instead
he gets suspended without pay violating company policy.

People are forgetting how to think for themselves, i mean come on
if the woman was killed during the incident, and the guy was did nothing
he would have been up on charges....

Cant have it both ways.

Safeway Suspends Employee After He Stopped A Man From Hitting Pregnant Girlfriend - The Consumerist
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Editors Note: Following the outcry over this story, Safeway has reinstated the worker involved.*





    *A manager at a Safeway store in San Francisco told CBS 5 he wasn’t sure of an official policy, but he said employees are supposed to contact store security or a manager if they see a conflict inside the store.
    I've only ever seen "store security" in rough neighborhoods - Del Ray Oaks is in Monterey Bay ...not exactly a 'rough' hood. As for the manager, well, this guy managed it.

    Comment from Safeway store employee: "There is no such policy that has been communicated to employees at store level. They are told that they are not to try to stop or detain suspected shoplifters, or engage in arguing with an already agitated customer, and to do so would result in likely termination. No one has said anything to me in over 25 years. The company cannot have authority to prohibit an employee from intervening in a situation where an imminent threat to a person's well-being is obvious, and where waiting for an ill-equipped security guard or physically non-imposing or smallish female manager to eventually arrive on scene would likely allow harm to come to the victim. Clocking in at work does not remove one's responsibility to look out for those unable to defend themselves. Terrible decision by Safeway. Human concern trumps safe policy to avoid litigation."
    He asked him to "calm down" - he didn't heed the warning, he gets 'intervened'. He should have just 'beaned' him with a can of beans, like Crocodile Dundee
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Most grocery store security is hidden in a booth near the managers office watching tv screens like in a casino,just on a much smaller scale. They are looking more for shoplifters and employee theft. By the time they had acted the woman could have been hurt much worse than she was.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Here's a move the lady can practice and use next time someone pushes her around

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Here's a move the lady can practice and use next time someone pushes her around


      LMAO -- dude, I can still do that one. Guy's have strong necks so if you're my size ya have to use your legs if you want to break them. She's being easy on him and just downed his butt.
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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        LMAO -- dude, I can still do that one. Guy's have strong necks so if you're my size ya have to use your legs if you want to break them. She's being easy on him and just downed his butt.
        - Well, of course...it's a Tournament! Breaking his neck will cost you points!
        (ya gotta admit...it's a pretty slick takedown! :rolleyes
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        LMAO -- dude, I can still do that one. Guy's have strong necks so if you're my size ya have to use your legs if you want to break them. She's being easy on him and just downed his butt.
        Haha! I've never tried that one before, Sal!

        But I can still put 'em down with my flying roundhouse kick.

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        • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Haha! I've never tried that one before, Sal!

          But I can still put 'em down with my flying roundhouse kick.

          Terra
          Yeah - but you're admittedly short - your roundhouse kick hits below the belt! OUCH!
          (you aren't going to hit me for calling you short...are you? )
          (now,where did I put my catcher's gear? :rolleyes
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

            Yeah - but you're short - your roundhouse hits below the belt! OUCH!
            (you aren't going to hit me for calling you short...are you? )
            LOL 3M!

            No, I'm not going to hit you, but I'm a little taller than you think, kicking them in the solar plexus works wonders.

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    • Profile picture of the author flowbee77
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Here's a move the lady can practice and use next time someone pushes her around

      As a student of Judo for over 20 years, I can tell you that this will never work in an "actual" confrontation. Most aggressors don't stand still after throwing two weak punches (which the man does in this .gif). Most confrontations do not begin with any punches thrown at all; Most aggressors in a confrontation will try to rush you onto the ground and use their weight to submit you; and once on the ground they will start punching you. This is something most human beings do by instinct, even little children; I should know, all throughout high school it's how I was bullied; thrown to ground and punched (and called "four eyes").

      The .gif is nice and artistic though.

      As far as the incident, most employers have rules for employees on not physically interfering with customers confrontations. The reason is because they could be hurt themselves and other customers as well. The attacker could pull out a gun (or a knife) and start shooting. Employees are taught to call managers or the police. There is also a liability issue; an employee physically engaging in a confrontation with customers also makes them (and the company, as they do "represent" the company) responsible for any injuries or death that may occur. Employees are taught to diffuse the situation (without any physical interference) if they can, but they do not want employees or other customers being hurt; it's best to call the police and let the pros handle it; anyway that's what they are taught to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        As far as the incident, most employers have rules for employees on not physically interfering with customers confrontations. The reason is because they could be hurt themselves and other customers as well. The attacker could pull out a gun (or a knife) and start shooting. Employees are taught to call managers or the police. There is also a liability issue; an employee physically engaging in a confrontation with customers also makes them (and the company, as they do "represent" the company) responsible for any injuries or death that may occur. Employees are taught to diffuse the situation (without any physical interference) if they can, but they do not want employees or other customers being hurt; it's best to call the police and let the pros handle it; anyway that's what they are taught to do.
        I can understand why they have the rule, and agree with that. But to suspend the employee without pay and without considering the outcome was boneheaded stupid. A private reminder of the rules and a note documenting the censure in the employee's job performance file would have been sufficient.

        I seriously doubt if grocery store employees are taught how to diffuse a situation like that. I wasn't when I worked at one many decades ago. Granted that was decades ago, but if you read the Safeway employee's comment in the second post might agree.
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        • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
          I know I grew up in a small town in Wyoming but... Where I grew up there was no security guy, nor would one be needed. Several real men would have insured he tested the limits of his dental insurance policy.

          Men who beat on women are not real men and they are not bad boys either. They are weaklings with mental issues they need to resolve.

          If they were a bad boy they would hit another man equal or bigger to their own size and see where that led them.

          Safeway should give him employee of the month and the managers position.

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        • Profile picture of the author flowbee77
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I seriously doubt if grocery store employees are taught how to diffuse a situation like that. I wasn't when I worked at one many decades ago. Granted that was decades ago, but if you read the Safeway employee's comment in the second post might agree.
          We were taught to diffuse situations like these that were violent by simply getting on the intercom and paging security; using the word "security" several times over the intercom so that the attacker can hear it and register in his head. It worked; I used it several times. The aggressor starts looking around and stops his behavior if even for a moment.

          The problem here is that I know several people want to act like heroes (and that's fine) but you cannot do this when you are dealing with agitated, erratic, violent individuals. This man very easily could have reached for his gun and started shooting several different people in the store (children in the store and families). It's important to stress to people that by simply calling police, you are a hero; let the police handle it, they are trained.

          We were taught that if an emergency situation (other than violent) does occur, such as an accident, etc. then we were encouraged to intervene obviously but when it came to violent individuals, we always called the police. Calling the police makes you a hero too.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by flowbee77 View Post

            It's important to stress to people that by simply calling police, you are a hero; let the police handle it, they are trained.
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            Anyone watching a person getting hurt, and all they do is call the cops, is a coward, not a hero.

            I understand what your saying about the guy pulling a gun... but seriously...

            by the time you call the cops and they show up... if they show up...
            its mostly likely too late...

            Sometimes people need to stop over thinking, and just do what is right.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by flowbee77 View Post

            We were taught to diffuse situations like these that were violent by simply getting on the intercom and paging security; using the word "security" several times over the intercom so that the attacker can hear it and register in his head. It worked; I used it several times. The aggressor starts looking around and stops his behavior if even for a moment.

            The problem here is that I know several people want to act like heroes (and that's fine) but you cannot do this when you are dealing with agitated, erratic, violent individuals. This man very easily could have reached for his gun and started shooting several different people in the store (children in the store and families). It's important to stress to people that by simply calling police, you are a hero; let the police handle it, they are trained.

            We were taught that if an emergency situation (other than violent) does occur, such as an accident, etc. then we were encouraged to intervene obviously but when it came to violent individuals, we always called the police. Calling the police makes you a hero too.
            Which grocery store did you work at where they taught that? Because like I said, that wasn't taught where I worked and the Safeway employee said they weren't taught not to intervene.

            I did use to work in security. Sometimes letting a bad guy know security is on the way only makes them mentally prepared to fight security, or can even cause someone to "hurry up" with whatever he's doing so he gets his licks in before security arrives.

            Even so, I don't have a problem with the policy. I do have a problem with the laying off the employee without pay. I'd bet money if that was the store manager's wife the guy saved from a beating he would have been thanked, not punished.

            Setting policies on paper look good on paper, but we don't live on a piece of paper.
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            • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Even so, I don't have a problem with the policy. I do have a problem with the laying off the employee without pay. I'd bet money if that was the store manager's wife the guy saved from a beating he would have been thanked, not punished.

              Setting policies on paper look good on paper, but we don't live on a piece of paper.
              The LP (Loss Prevention, which is, I'll bet, where the 'time off' directive came from) wieners DO live on a piece of paper. It is their bible. Every employee policy is calculated to reduce liability for the corporation. If you dare to cross them, or question their directives, they will smite thee.

              I was a store manager, and later an area advisor, for a large retail auto parts chain. I had more than one run-in with LP. I do not like them, Sam I Am.
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          • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
            Originally Posted by flowbee77 View Post

            We were taught to diffuse situations like these that were violent by simply getting on the intercom and paging security; using the word "security" several times over the intercom so that the attacker can hear it and register in his head. It worked; I used it several times. The aggressor starts looking around and stops his behavior if even for a moment.

            The problem here is that I know several people want to act like heroes (and that's fine) but you cannot do this when you are dealing with agitated, erratic, violent individuals. This man very easily could have reached for his gun and started shooting several different people in the store (children in the store and families). It's important to stress to people that by simply calling police, you are a hero; let the police handle it, they are trained.

            We were taught that if an emergency situation (other than violent) does occur, such as an accident, etc. then we were encouraged to intervene obviously but when it came to violent individuals, we always called the police. Calling the police makes you a hero too.
            A very clever ruse...and an effective way to possibly diffuse the situation...if that doesn't work, it's "cleanup on aisle 4"
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            • Profile picture of the author flowbee77
              Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

              A very clever ruse...and an effective way to possibly diffuse the situation..
              Thanks. That's what we were taught to do. We stopped several domestic situations like that. In one domestic violence situation (not me but one of my fellow associates witnessed the event), the camera caught the situation as it was occurring because of his intercom alerts. A local DA complimented our department (and gave our department a commendation) because we stopped the behavior and they were able to convict the person because of the video evidence. Last I heard they give him a lengthy prison term for the incident. None of it would have been possible without us following the procedure; it would have just been a brawl or worse some children/families could have gotten killed.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Anyone watching a person getting hurt, and all they do is call the cops, is a coward, not a hero.
                No - not when they are working for an employer. For one thing - the employer must document what happened on his property to protect his business from liability. For another, the procedures are in place to protect employees of the business, too.

                I don't have a problem with what the man did and think he should be commended....but I know many employers who would have a problem with it.

                That woman will probably stay with the man who beats her - and before long he'll have a child to abuse, too.
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                • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  No - not when they are working for an employer. For one thing - the employer must document what happened on his property to protect his business from liability. For another, the procedures are in place to protect employees of the business, too.
                  Your right... but there is such a thing as common sense,
                  and common sense says, if you see someone getting hurt. you help.

                  and like i said before, if you stand around and don't help, and the person
                  gets seriously injured or killed. the person just standing around NOT helping can be brought up on charges.

                  The law doesn't care about some piece of corporate paper saying don't interfere.

                  and neither do i. If i stood stood around while somebody was getting hurt,
                  and i did nothing... well truthfully i don't know how i would cope with the shame.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  No - not when they are working for an employer. For one thing - the employer must document what happened on his property to protect his business from liability. For another, the procedures are in place to protect employees of the business, too.

                  I don't have a problem with what the man did and think he should be commended....but I know many employers who would have a problem with it.

                  That woman will probably stay with the man who beats her - and before long he'll have a child to abuse, too.
                  I've always been a human being first, (was) an employee second. I've never had a job good enough that I wouldn't trade to help a pregnant woman that's being beaten.

                  It's a shame we've become a society more concerned with legality than humanity.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    I'm with you Kurt, Kim, Dennis and Ken!

                    Life is life and no amount of money or place of employment can even compare in value.

                    I've fortunately never had the situation arise where I needed to protect another human being, but I have had to save a mother duck and her ducklings.

                    I was working in the front office of a physicians office which was across a two lane highway from a campground with a lake. My desk faced the big picture window where you could see the lake across the highway.

                    I noticed a mother duck waddle across the parking lot followed by eight little ducklings. She stopped at the side of the road and every time she attempted to cross, a car came whizzing by. The speed limit was 50 miles an hour there. It wasn't wall to wall traffic, but the cars were spaced just far enough apart where she couldn't cross.

                    I didn't even think about it or get permission to leave the other two girls in front, I just opened the office door, ran through the full waiting room and dashed out side. I went into the center of the road and started waving my arms for traffic to stop. Thank goodness for my hot pink scrubs trimmed with bright yellow!

                    Anyway, the traffic slowed and stopped and the mother duck proceeded to cross the highway to get to the lake with a parade of fuzzy little ducklings following.

                    When all was safe and I walked back towards the building, the picture window was full of patients and staff watching. Upon entering the waiting room again, everyone was standing, clapping their hands and cheering. (I was so embarrassed.)

                    I wasn't trying to be a hero, I just didn't think twice about saving 9 little lives. I wasn't reprimanded or anything, after all, physicians are all about saving lives and my boss was extremely compassionate and a lover of animals as well.

                    These were ducks, not humans, so you can imagine what I would do when faced with a dangerous situation with a person. Well, within reason, of course. But never, never, would I just stand by and idly watch! I'd act even if all I could do was call out for some help.

                    A Corporate Kiss A** I am not!

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    It just goes to show you how stupid people are ... and I refer to that manager AND the loser beating a woman. If I had my way the loser would spend 60 days living at the bottom of a very busy outhouse. The store manager would get 30 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    There is no excuse for the BF beating the GF, but I always have to wonder at the intelligence of any woman that puts up with men like that. I've known a lot of females over the years that say they want out of those type of relationships yet every man they get with are exactly that type.
    And when asked, they say "I can't help it,I'm attracted to 'bad boys' ". :rolleyes:

    While I said woman puts up with a man like that, it works both ways,The woman can also be the abuser.

    As far as the Safeway manager, he should have been giving the employee a few days offf with pay and praising him in front of everybody.
    Its a sad world we are in when a sentence written on a piece of paper overrules intelligence,common sense,and decency.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      There is no excuse for the BF beating the GF, but I always have to wonder at the intelligence of any woman that puts up with men like that. I've known a lot of females over the years that say they want out of those type of relationships yet every man they get with are exactly that type.
      And when asked, they say "I can't help it,I'm attracted to 'bad boys' ". :rolleyes:
      I think its some kinda mental conditioning, pavlov like...

      I have often wondered the same thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        There is no excuse for the BF beating the GF, but I always have to wonder at the intelligence of any woman that puts up with men like that. I've known a lot of females over the years that say they want out of those type of relationships yet every man they get with are exactly that type.
        And when asked, they say "I can't help it,I'm attracted to 'bad boys' ". :rolleyes:

        While I said woman puts up with a man like that, it works both ways,The woman can also be the abuser.

        As far as the Safeway manager, he should have been giving the employee a few days offf with pay and praising him in front of everybody.
        Its a sad world we are in when a sentence written on a piece of paper overrules intelligence,common sense,and decency.
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        I think its some kinda mental conditioning, pavlov like...

        I have often wondered the same thing.
        Plus the fact that she was pregnant - and the Clerk's wife was pregnant - he could have just beat the crap out of him and said he was going thru 'Couvade Syndrome' (male pregnancy symptoms / labor pains) :rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      There is no excuse for the BF beating the GF, but I always have to wonder at the intelligence of any woman that puts up with men like that. <snip>
      Some very intelligent women get into abusive relationships. I've witnessed it myself. How? Honey is put on the mousetrap. An emotional investment is made, a person gets psychologically entangled. It's about emotion more than intelligence.
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    3M,
    What I want to know is what Ma is it? Looks like Tai Kwan DO to me,but I'm know expert, I only got to the 2nd belt in it.
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    Exactly what I said earlier. Kenmichaels:
    "Its a sad world we are in when a sentence written on a piece of paper overrules intelligence,common sense,and decency."

    Enfusia:
    I was talking about what th guy thinks he is and what the girls finds attarctive about him, not what he is in reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      I actually got mad when i read that, just call the cops ....

      That's the same type of thinking that got so many killed on 911.
      and since i lost family and friends on that day, its still kind of a sore spot for me.

      not to go off on a rant here , but

      i am still losing family over it, my older brother was an after the fact fire
      marshall called in from jersey, and now he has lung cancer attributed to the asbestos dust
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    Sorry to hear that.
    My brother was assigned to one of the first responder fire stations called to the Pentagon that day but he was off work.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Sorry to hear that.
      My brother was assigned to one of the first responder fire stations called to the Pentagon that day but he was off work.
      Definitely a good day to be off work.
      that's almost as good a winning the lotto, actually, its probably better
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  • Profile picture of the author computermesh
    I'll give that man my atta boy for the day. How horrible would any of you feel seeing a lady let alone a pregnant one get slapped or beat on and you just stood by and watched. I know I'd feel free $h!!ty. Good job man, I certainly would have done the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Anyone (and I am not singling anyone out), that feels a giant corporations bottom line is more important than the life of another human being and possibly the life of an unborn child needs to rethink their priorities.

    Goes back to what I'm saying about most of the populations mentality nowadays.....as long as its happening to someone else and not me I don't need to worry about it. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      The LP (Loss Prevention, which is, I'll bet, where the 'time off' directive came from) wieners DO live on a piece of paper. It is their bible. Every employee policy is calculated to reduce liability for the corporation. If you dare to cross them, or question their directives, they will smite thee.

      I was a store manager, and later an area advisor, for a large retail auto parts chain. I had more than one run-in with LP. I do not like them, Sam I Am.
      Steve, I would assume that depends on the company. Like I said, I worked in security before. I was a shift supervisor. That's not the way we operated. We had policies, but any discipline deemed necessary wouldn't be meted out after consideration of the circumstances and the outcome.

      You know, we acted like real people, not mindless, heartless automatons.

      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      Your right... but there is such a thing as common sense, and common sense says, if you see someone getting hurt. you help.
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Anyone (and I am not singling anyone out), that feels a giant corporations bottom line is more important than the life of another human being and possibly the life of an unborn child needs to rethink their priorities.
      You're the kind of people I'd want in my corner if I were the person in need.
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    MissTerraK,

    HERE, I came down a major road one day and, as usual, there was NO traffic that way. I had to stop about a block before my turn, because a group of geese(it looked like SEVERAL families) was crossing the road. NOW for the punch line.... The OTHER direction was normally BUSY! The car in front was a stopped police car. The police came to make it safe for the geese to cross. 8-)

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    T-Bird,
    I understand what you're saying but there comes a point where an intelligent woman will realize that it is unhealthy and move on (sometimes,not always) while the less intelligent person will see this as their life forever and feel they have to tolerate it as they see no other way out.
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