American Independence Question

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Does it actually mean anything to you or is it just a party now?

I'm asking because the majority of Americans are not descended from anyone in Britain anymore.

eg If you are of early 20th Century Italian descent I can see it as a national holiday/party but can't see what it has to do with you if you see what I mean.

Hence the question.

Dan
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Dan,
    sorry,you are not correct.The people I am descended from will always be my ancestors.

    From reading many of the threads here,especially those where we discuss things like our founding fathers and our constitution I think to at least some of us, it means a lot more that just a party.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Okay thank you Kim.

      I think I meant Latin and African descent make up 40% or so now and if you add Russian, Italian, German etc then they are not descended from Britain and the Independence from Britain maybe doesn't mean anything as they are not descended from anyone who fought for it.

      You are from Virginia. I think this is the first colony of Britain was it not?

      And your surname is very very old British. In fact it is Briton before England and Wales were even England and Wales.

      Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Dan,
      sorry,you are not correct.The people I am descended from will always be my descendants.

      From reading many of the threads here,especially those where we discuss things like our founding fathers and our constitution I think to at least some of us, it means a lot more that just a party.
      Actually, I believe the people you are descended from are called "ancestors", unless you're from Alabama.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        Okay thank you Kim.

        I think I meant Latin and African descent make up 40% or so now and if you add Russian, Italian, German etc then they are not descended from Britain and the Independence from Britain maybe doesn't mean anything as they are not descended from anyone who fought for it.

        You are from Virginia. I think this is the first colony of Britain was it not?

        And your surname is very very old British. In fact it is Briton before England and Wales were even England and Wales.

        Dan
        More Americans are from German descent than any other nationality.

        To answer your original question, it's both. I love history and am aware of it, and the 4th is a celebration.

        BTW, most historians believe the Declaration of Independence was really signed on Aug. 2.
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          More Americans are from German descent than any other nationality.
          Well I didn't know that.

          Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Actually, I believe the people you are descended from are called "ancestors", unless you're from Alabama.
        Darn it, Now I know why its called Ancestry.com and not Descendants.com!
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Yes. Independence Day is very significant to me and yes it calls for celebration or a party, as you put it.

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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Yes. Independence Day is very significant to me and yes it calls for celebration or a party, as you put it.

            Terra
            Well you did use to have a pink cowboy hat on so I guess that is a foregone conclusion.

            Have fun all you Americans.

            Dan
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

              Well you did use to have a pink cowboy hat on so I guess that is a foregone conclusion.

              Have fun all you Americans.

              Dan
              Ha!

              And I'd put it on today too if it weren't supposed to be 99 degrees Fahrenheit without factoring in the heat index!

              I'm like a little kid and still have to light my sparklers after the sun sets.

              Plans were to light them in the pool because of the dry conditions, but since we got over 8 inches of rain yesterday, I might not have to.

              Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Actually, I believe the people you are descended from are called "ancestors", unless you're from Alabama.
        Uh...what was that again?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Dan,
    You are correct, Every time my family or I have done geneology research it all leads back to your side of the pond.

    I see what you mean about the current country mix though and now your question makes more sense to me than before.

    While I do live in Virginia now, I was in my teenage years when my family moved here.My father had gotten a different government job and we had to relocate.He was working in Oklahoma,where we moved from, for the FAA (Federal Aviation Agency) and went to school at night and got his law degree,and then got a job in our nations capital working for the FTC (Federal Trade Commission).
    Have lived in Virginia ever since.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Terra,
    I hate to point out grammar errors,but didn't you mean this to say:
    "And I'd put it on today too if it weren't supposed to be 99 degrees Fahrenheit without factoring in the hair index! " ?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Ha ha Kim!

      Yeah, that too.

      Anyway, Happy Fourth!









      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I think the most important question of the day is, will Joey Chestnut break his record of eating 65 hotdogs in 10 minutes?

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    Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

    Does it actually mean anything to you or is it just a party now?

    I'm asking because the majority of Americans are not descended from anyone in Britain anymore.

    eg If you are of early 20th Century Italian descent I can see it as a national holiday/party but can't see what it has to do with you if you see what I mean.

    Hence the question.

    Dan
    Only 9% of modern-day Americans are Anglo-Americans.

    Yet, it does have something to do with the other 91% - even if you ignore the fact that it's their country and they have every right to celebrate it's independence anyway, regardless of their ancestry, the other groups of "hypehanted Americans" were all very heavily represented in achieveing that independence.

    English was a minority language in the Continental Army - German and Irish were more common, spoken by people from Germany and Ireland (obviously, I suppose!). And the Continental Army was often outnumbered on the battlefield by French troops fighting alongside them.

    Today, German-, Irish-, and Franco-Americans account for about 35% of the US population. Despite not being descended from anyone in Britain, me thinks the day probably means as much to them as anyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      As I discuss quite often, on my mom's side, we are Cherokee Indian and Czechoslovakian, however, on my dad's side we are English, Scottish and French.

      No English royalty in the bloodline, but some ladies in waiting and a court jester. Haha!

      Maybe that's why I like to joke around and have fun and enjoyed being an actress in my younger years. Hmmm...

      Anyway, we celebrate the independence of our country simply because we love it!

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    You said...

    And the Continental Army was often outnumbered on the battlefield by French troops fighting alongside them.

    I say...

    Not really true.

    The French came into the war late, didn't engage in a lot of fighting and there wasn't a lot of fighting in the last couple years of the war.

    They never outnumbered the American troops in any major battle and when Washington on the ground and the French Navy at sea, trapped Cornwallis at Yorktown to effectively end the war, 25% of Washington's 20K troops were of African decent.

    Lots of people like to say that American independence would not have been possible without direct French assistance...

    ... but I believe without French help the war would have simply dragged on for as long as it took for the British to understand that the American war for independence was a done deal.

    It doesn't matter to Americans when and where we came from, we're all Americans now and on the 4th of July we celebrate the founding of the nation we love so much.


    All The Best!!


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  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    My Dads side is Scotch Irish. My Moms Welch English.

    My Wifes is German Hungarian.

    Therefore, My Kids are Scotch Irish Welch English German Hungarian.

    Now THATS America.

    Happy Independence Day!
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  • As a Brit in the US, how I feel when someone asks if we celebrate the 4th July in England. :rolleyes:
    :p
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm not sure why it matters who you descended from. The 4th marks the day this became an independent country. THAT is the celebration no matter what your ancestory happens to be.
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      Well I was wondering if anyone actually did give it that thought Sal or was it just a day off, party.

      Ok I have got the message.

      By the way, for the tiny % who maybe do think what the Day was about do you ever sit with your head in your hands wishing you were still English?

      After all, as an impartial and neutral figure once said 'To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life.'

      Right, I shall wisely retreat!

      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        Well I was wondering if anyone actually did give it that thought Sal or was it just a day off, party.

        Ok I have got the message.

        By the way, for the tiny % who maybe do think what the Day was about do you ever sit with your head in your hands wishing you were still English?

        After all, as an impartial and neutral figure once said 'To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life.'

        Right, I shall wisely retreat!

        Dan
        Dan,
        haven't we *******ized your language enough?
        Though I have to say,to us American men there is nothing sexier than a British accent on a woman and I think the American women feel there is nothing sexier than a male British accent.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        Well I was wondering if anyone actually did give it that thought Sal or was it just a day off, party.

        Ok I have got the message.

        By the way, for the tiny % who maybe do think what the Day was about do you ever sit with your head in your hands wishing you were still English?

        After all, as an impartial and neutral figure once said 'To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life.'

        Right, I shall wisely retreat!

        Dan
        LMAO. You are kidding -- Right? Right?

        No, I've never wished to be anything other than American - until recently and that is due to the corruption here now. I feel regret during these "American" holidays that our citizens became so self serving and apathetic that we've basically lost all we stood for. I watch the fireworks and party a bit - but I feel much remorse. That remorse has never been that I'm not English, though.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post


        After all, as an impartial and neutral figure once said 'To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life.'

        Right, I shall wisely retreat!

        Dan
        I don't think that your boys who got their butts whooped by our boys would quite agree with that. :p

        Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Jimbo, I think the American constitution is the most beautiful document ever written and I celebrate it heavily. Enforcing it is not always easy, but the ideas in it themselves are what we believe in our hearts that being an American is all about, and so it makes being American a thing of beauty to us, because what it "means" is in the words on that paper.

    Some people try to corrupt things, and make it difficult for Americans to live within their constitutional rights...but what we "are" technically, is what we all believe, despite our complaints, to be the greatest country on the planet.

    There are evils but the good outweighs the bad... America to me is a set of ideals that are beautiful and worth striving for.

    Greed and corruption always exist, everywhere.

    But the thing that greed is trying to corrupt itself is beautiful. America.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. Dan, as for me, the English are my ancestors... and I am proud of that too. They were the proud Englishman who wanted their own way and fought for it to put me where I am, and this is where those ancestors wanted me to be. Hats off to them today!
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    • Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Ps. Dan, as for me, the English are my ancestors... and I am proud of that too. They were the proud Englishman who wanted their own way and fought for it to put me where I am, and this is where those ancestors wanted me to be. Hats off to them today!
      Sure, but have you ever tried walking in their footsteps? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

    Sure, but have you ever tried walking in their footsteps? :rolleyes:
    Nope. Never quite tried that, but one day my grandson was hopping back and forth across the living room...and I finlly figured out that it was the monty python show, he was copying the horseman that have no horses...it was hilarious when I realized what he was doing.
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    • Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Nope. Never quite tried that, but one day my grandson was hopping back and forth across the living room...and I finlly figured out that it was the monty python show, he was copying the horseman that have no horses...it was hilarious when I realized what he was doing.
      I thought that was a brilliant save on the movie budget!

      Why do we need horses when we can do the movie with coconuts? :p

      And coconuts are much easier to clean up after...(and it works in so nicely with the swallows...) :rolleyes:
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