How will the Iran card play out? The Think Tank Thread

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With Iran's nuclear reactor coming online, Israel sees Iran having crossed the nuclear threshold. Israel has already stated they will not live under a nuclear threat, and has threatened to take out the nuclear sites alone if need be.

If this should occur, in a matter of hours it would go from a regional conflict to a world conflict. Shall we see if we can figure out how the open shots will play out if the unthinkable should become reality?

The window of opportunity is closing to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Russia has sold Iran it's advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missile system. Should Iran take delivery of this system, it would make any attack on Iran a costly endeavor.

The only thing keeping Russia from delivering the system is Israel's claim of being able to defeat the anti-aircraft system with a new electronic warfare device that she's created. Now Russia has to determine if Israel's claim is true, or if it's a bluff. If it's true, Russia's own national security is at risk.

If Russia decides it's a bluff and plans to deliver the S-300 system, Israel will have to strike as many of the two dozen sites as she possibly can, and the result would be tens of thousands of civilian casualties.

Iran responds.

Israel too is a nuclear power, and Iran will try to level the playing field by launching it's long range missiles at Israels nuclear facilities.

Iran will also use it's navy and air force to close the straights of hormuz, which 40% of all the worlds oil passes through. With anti-ship missiles and underwater mines, no oil tanker would stand a chance without a naval escort.

It's unlikely the conflict will be solved overnight, and the worlds oil companies are willing to pay top dollar to anyone who can deliver. Iran has delivered a strong economic blow to the entire world.

America is drawn into the conflict.

The water ways must be reopened, and the U.S. sends in three carrier groups to clear the area of all threats and return stability to the region. Sorties are also launched into Iran from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Israel's fight is now a lot closer to home. Iran's allies have joined the conflict, and Syria is advancing on the Golan Heights, while the northern front is being attacked by hezbollah, not to mention hamas has started a new deadly campaign against Israel. Israel's army is spread thin, and all of the reserves are called to duty.

So far, only conventional weapons have been used. The only question is who would be crazy enough to start using nuclear, biological or chemical weapons if they feel their back is against the wall?

Can we know the timing? Greed is predictable, and oil futures contracts that are months away would be accumulated, and those oil futures prices would quickly rise.



Dave
  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    You forget a major factor in this political equation - only USA has made any threats against Iran. Only USA has declared an intention to attack if the nuclear capacity is not rescinded. Only USA has recently been involved in a major strike against a sovereign country against UN instructions.

    Nuclear proliferation is a fact of life and, like just about any proces, once set in motion is better contained than allowed to escalate because of false and arbitrary barriers and sanctions.

    Iraq was sacrificed on the altar of American greed for oil and the destabilising aspects of this lunatic incursion will reverberate through the future like the knell of doom. Everybody in the world is now less safe because of American interference in the status quo and because of America's demonstration that reason never enters the equation - only "Gung ho! My country wrong or wrong!"

    This sort of scare mongering, claiming American intransigence as an aspect of Israeli diplomacy and Iranian intent is very dangerous and serves no purpose except to promote racial intolerance. Do you really think that other countries don't have the common sense to talk to each other to settle differences?

    Do you think every other country will do as USA does - shoot, then ask the question?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

      You forget a major factor in this political equation - only USA has made any threats against Iran. Only USA has declared an intention to attack if the nuclear capacity is not rescinded. Only USA has recently been involved in a major strike against a sovereign country against UN instructions.

      Nuclear proliferation is a fact of life and, like just about any proces, once set in motion is better contained than allowed to escalate because of false and arbitrary barriers and sanctions.

      Iraq was sacrificed on the altar of American greed for oil and the destabilising aspects of this lunatic incursion will reverberate through the future like the knell of doom. Everybody in the world is now less safe because of American interference in the status quo and because of America's demonstration that reason never enters the equation - only "Gung ho! My country wrong or wrong!"

      This sort of scare mongering, claiming American intransigence as an aspect of Israeli diplomacy and Iranian intent is very dangerous and serves no purpose except to promote racial intolerance. Do you really think that other countries don't have the common sense to talk to each other to settle differences?

      Do you think every other country will do as USA does - shoot, then ask the question?
      A couple of things:

      1. The US has a new president and is pulling out of Iraq ASAP, and Obama hasn't threatened Iran. Just the opposite, he's agreed to meet with Iranian leaders, which has brought him critism here in the US.

      2. You forgot to mention how Iran president Ahmadinejad has threatened Isreal and promises to blow them up, refusing teh accept Isreal's right to even exist.

      The saddest part of this is, the people of Iran actually like America more than any other middle eastern country. It's the fundamentalist leaders that are messing things up.
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    This will just peter out and slowly go away. Nobody wants a major confrontation in these economic circumstances. USA, Russia, Israeal, Iran and the whole of the Middle East are in bad state now. The last thing they want is another shock to their economies.
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      Do you think every other country will do as USA does - shoot, then ask the question?
      Here's a short list
      Russia invading Pakistain
      Iraq invading Kuwait
      Israel attacking the west bank.
      Brittan occupying Ireland

      Now name some countries that have settled their differences without attacking each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard A.Cox
    Thought we aren't supposed to be discussing politics?
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    Yes. Obama is pulling out of Iraq, but only if the military will let him. Let's hope they don't because the instability which will result doesn't bear thinking about. America has destroyed the country, resurected old allegiances and created an air of fear that Sadam Hussein would be proud of.

    Threats between countries in the Middle East are part of the negotiating process. If you have ever lived there you will know that it is the posture that defines the man - not his aggression. Iran might have threatened Israel but, in the parlance of the Middle east, that is accepted as what it is. The trouble with America is that if the USA makes a threat, no matter what might indicate the carrying out of the threat would be against the common good - America has shown it doesn't care.

    The saddest part of this is that nobody likes or trusts America any more. The world watched as Sadam was feted and supported, financially by the USA and assisted into his dictatorship. Then the world was shocked when the USA turned its back on Hussein and fed him to the wolves, destroyed the country, stole the oil and managed to get itself well paid to repair the damage they had done. Even its staunch (if stupid) ally, Blurr and the UK were relegated to seeking crumbs from the kings table when it came to contracts for repairs and rebuilding.

    But that is the measure of American gratitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    That's a mighty broad brush you paint with, Art.

    Surely you acknowledge that roughly half the country was diametrically opposed to the very things you ascribe to America as a whole...

    Surely you understand that many, MANY Americans decried the very issues you point to as "American" mores.

    Surely...

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    I would reply but having been selected for two infractions for responding to this stream I can only assume that world affairs, although of interest and import to us all, are seen by some as little more than politics.

    I submit to their ruling - even if it is somewhat slanted and the alocation of infractions somewhat biased.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

      I would reply but having been selected for two infractions for responding to this stream I can only assume that world affairs, although of interest and import to us all, are seen by some as little more than politics.

      I submit to their ruling - even if it is somewhat slanted and the alocation of infractions somewhat biased.
      That's unbelievable.
      I may not agree with you, but to give an infraction because of it?
      Just so you know Art, agree with you or not I always want to hear your views.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Watched a great Rick Steves show last night -- two-hour program where he travelled through Iran recently... everyone was extremely friendly and gracious to him. Very dangerous to see the people you're going to be bombing, that makes it more difficult. And we certainly don't want that.

      Very interesting country with great people -- government definitely needs improving, but what government doesn't?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I got in infraction too, and won't continue with the conversation.

    I tried to keep politics out of it, and tried to forecast events that might happen, but hopefully won't happen.

    It would have been a good discussion though, as no one was showing any hatred or malice, just a difference of opinions. Seeing the differences of opinions and working thru them together is the only thing that will prevent a war.

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    You know, Art is an extraordinarily eloquent and thoughtful writer. I always enjoy reading his posts. I was genuinely interested in what he had to say...

    Though veering and teetering along the edge of politics, I agree with him that the thread was far more about WORLD EVENTS.

    Moreoever, why wasn't *I* given an infraction in the thread?

    Whatever...

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  • Profile picture of the author SteelDanno
    Heh. I thought no politics too.

    Nukes = Peace through MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).

    No one is dumb/crazy enough to use them. No matter what puppet show they put on for the cameras and media.

    If I led a nation, I want them so my country couldn't get pushed around.

    Nuff said.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    No body is mad enough to fly a perfectly good airplane into a sky scraper either.

    Ruskies and chingy's have been upto much successful mischevous espionage while everybody was dissing somebody else.

    Now we are all broke and wide open to a kick in the balls.

    Which is what history tends to dish out.
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    Those infractions tell us exactly what we need to know about nukes. Not everyone in control has the logic to use it correctly. Face it - people can be complete destructive assholes when they get some power. In here, it's infractions for trite reasons and because of misjudgment........out there it's nukes.

    I'm American and don't mistake Art as meaning the American people in general when he wrote his posts --- we all know that the government idiocy doesn't often reflect the feelings of their people. When he says "America" it is the government he speaks of and not the people.......there is no similarity in the two factions any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Infraction so far for this thread.

    David Maschke 1
    artwebster 2
    Kurt 1

    Have we got an infraction robot here?
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