Cancer cure?

[aquablue]

Hi everybody,

Has anyone either cured cancer by natural means, or know someone who has? I just picked up a copy of the book, Cancer-Cure, by Bill Henderson. I plan on giving it to someone tomorrow, but I'm going to look through it tonight.
Was wondering if any Warriors had an experience of this type to share.

Thanks,
Terese

[ThomM]

The History of Essiac and Rene M. Caisse, Canada's Nurse
Give that site a read.

[mscherrah]

Originally Posted by Terese Dadd

Hi everybody,

Has anyone either cured cancer by natural means, or know someone who has? I just picked up a copy of the book, Cancer-Cure, by Bill Henderson. I plan on giving it to someone tomorrow, but I'm going to look through it tonight.
Was wondering if any Warriors had an experience of this type to share.

Thanks,
Terese

I dont know if this is relevant, but mybe 20 years, ago, my aunt was diagnosed with cancer (i dont really know of what) but she did not want to go through chemo therapy. She heard of a pseudo-holistic treatment doctors were doing in Mexico (we live in pittsburgh). No one wanted her to do it, because the treatment was not offered in the US because there were no findings that it worked. Well, long story short, she went to Mexico, spent a little over a month there, and came back. She had no cancer, and 20 years later, she has had no reoccurances. Like I said, I dont know if this is relavent, because I have no idea if it was natural or not, but I thought I would share.

Matt

[Phnx]

My Mum used Essiac when she had breast cancer and got rid of it. She used nothing else but change of diet (more fruits and vegetables, a few supplements, minimal processed).

You might want to check out the Budwig Protocol, that has a good rep. She's a biochemist and discovered quark - or cottage cheese - blended completely with flax seed oil (extremely high Omega 3) goes straight to the cells. Think of your car engine when it won't start properly. The electrical charge in your cells 'sputters' like that in sick people and cannot do their job. The cottage cheese/oil therapy charges the cells up so they can fire properly and do their job. She's brought people back who were facing death within hours. Course you have to radically alter your diet, no more crap, but a small price to pay. Not as hard as the Gerson Therapy - though the Japanese are using that in some mainstream hospitals now and they've done double-blind studies etc.

The only 'mainstream' sciences worth a damn as far as medicine goes are biochemistry and microbiology. (Electrobiology and electrogenetics are still too new ). Mainstream medicine has become the paid whore of BigPharma and it is they who provide the funding for training, the medical colleges, and 'research'. As much as 96% pf 'peer reviewed' journals turn out to have some connection with the company whose drug is being pimped. In other words the real unscientific quackery is theirs. They'll tell you 'natural' doesn't work. They lie.

Check You Tube for the Rick Sampson story "Run From The Cure". He made an oil from cannabis and was curing people of all sorts of things till they arrested him. His Royal Canadian Legion tried to Lobby Parliament to do some research as they naively thought they'd help. Their Legion branch got shut down. Yet the Spanish have done legitimate scientific research showing the THCs in cannabis do inhibit tumour growth.

Oh also check out Professor Jane Plants book "Your Life In Your Hands". She's of the world top geologists and had terminal breast cancer. She and her husband (also a scientist) decided to approach it scientifically rather than just die because the medical profession said she would. She cured herself and 47 other terminals who'd been sent home to die. She discovered that the Chinese rarely get breast or prostrate cancers because they don't eat dairy foods or cows milk. Though they are starting to in some of the cities. 2 of the terminals died anyway but they were the only ones who couldn't stick to the 'non-dairy' diet. The others all had their cancer cured. All verified and some top Doctors were writing testimonials saying, "this is a new way forward". The establisment ignore it as usual. They don't want people getting cured. The best you can hope for from them, is to contain it with a permanent regime of (expensive) drugs.

If you really want the cutting edge and the wave of the future, watch this bladder tumour disappear in real time on the ultrascan. Took 3 minutes. To understand what was happening there, you need to watch all 7 parts. Take particular note of what happens to the DNA spiral with regard to how we are feeling (think that's in Part 1 or 2 - they are all about 10 minutes long)

YouTube - Gregg Braden - The Science of Miracles...

[Yusuf]

Definitely check out the Gerson Institute. There are at least three good documentaries related to the Gerson thereapy - "Dying to Have Known", "The Beautiful Truth," and "Food Matters" - I suggest you watch them if you can each of them are pretty eye-opening to say the least.

BTW the place in Mexico most likely The Gerson Institute or Gerson related... that is where Dr Dan Rogers' clinic is located.

[robie]

Well there are some people in my country who can do this.They claim that they can heal it with traditional herbs and natural ways.
I live in Indonesia.

[HeySal]

I had a bad diagnosis - yet I still think I was mis-diagnosed for some very good reasons.
What my plan was - water with no fluoride, chlorine. Foods including lots of tomatoes (lycopane) berries until I turned colors (elligac acid--spelling?) Turmeric - cucurium -- lots of exercise in mountain air and a daily dose of 1/2 hour of sunshine -- on top of other herbs and foods.
I also use turmeric to shrink and get rid of tumors for my dog who is extreme old now.

There is also a sonar frequency that will break up tumors, but it was bought out and the guy hushed up as soon as it was known to work. Can't find it now.

I think there are a lot of things that work against cancer --- we just aren't supposed to know that.

[artwebster]

Having had this disease for more than 50 years in more places than I care to count, I feel qualified to state, categorically, that like every other disease the human body can be subject to, cancer is not predictable.
Sometimes remissions will take place and be mistaken for cures. Other times the disease will appear to disappear altogether (if you had been eating lots of mangoes, the 'Mango cure' would suddenly appear on the market). Often the disease isn't cancer at all. Many cancers are not life threatening and can be tolerated by the body.
Stories about cancer rival stories about virtually anything else for their sheer lack of personal experience and objectivity. Well, you wouldn't find a story about a man-eating monster very exciting if the monster didn't actually eat a man, would you?

[alshir827]

Try organic wheat grass juices. Lots Lots of it.

[ToTellAStory]

Wheat grass juice? My friend told me aloe vera juice. But I don't know how accurate that is.

[ThomM]

Phnx if you go to http://jackherer.com about 1/3 down there are a few links and information on Rick Simpson.
I love the name of his website http://phoenixtears.ca.

[Phnx]

@Thom

I tried giving Rick Simpsons film to someone whose sisters partner was diagnosed with Liver Cancer. No point giving them the YouTube links as they won't stir themselves to look. So I downloaded them and converted so they could watch on DVD player. They wouldn't even LOOK at the bloody thing, even though I mentioned the Spanish research.

So then I gave them the Gerson one "Dying To Have Known", after all it's only food, nothing to be afraid of there. The point was they were using it in Japanese hospitals - proper 'Western' hospitals, and doing double blind studies. So it gave 'scientific' authority which I hoped would sway them to look at it. She wouldn't - she actually became agitated when I offered to pay her to watch it. I was convinced if she did, she would understand why she needed to pass it on to the guy. What he did with it was up to him. She wouldn't meet my eyes but promised to watch it.

Next day I go round she says "I told you we'd watch it". Then she said "Brian (her partner) watched it". Okaaay, she's so afraid she let someone else think for her. So I say to him "so you see why you have to pass this inforamtion on?" And he says "well not really" WTF? He'd completely ignored the scientific verification (maybe he thinks the Japanese are not real scientists??) and the numerous testimonials on there from people who'd been cured of cancers - many even had their scans and their medical files to show. He said "Steve McQueen went to that Mexiacn clinic and died". So now I know he's a retard. Steve McQueen had animal cell injections in some clinic in Mexico, went back to the US for surgery and that failed. Apparently there must be only one clinic in Mexico. FFS it just blew me away.

The guy who had been denied this info ( a lovely fella), he may have done nothing with it, but he may have used it. In his position I'd have wanted information like that. As it was he had nothing but chemo. They should have checked him every 6 months, but for some reason they forgot to do one, and he didn't get scanned for a year. They'd never reduced the tumour, just stabilized it. Now it had spread to his lungs and he went down rapidly. He died a few months ago.

What a damn waste. All because his family were too ignorant and conditioned to this grotesque bovine passivity.

I'm surrounded by people like that, and though I give them the info, I know they won't ever LOOK at it.

It's very depressing.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by Phnx

@Thom

I tried giving Rick Simpsons film to someone whose sisters partner was diagnosed with Liver Cancer. No point giving them the YouTube links as they won't stir themselves to look. So I downloaded them and converted so they could watch on DVD player. They wouldn't even LOOK at the bloody thing, even though I mentioned the Spanish research.

So then I gave them the Gerson one "Dying To Have Known", after all it's only food, nothing to be afraid of there. The point was they were using it in Japanese hospitals - proper 'Western' hospitals, and doing double blind studies. So it gave 'scientific' authority which I hoped would sway them to look at it. She wouldn't - she actually became agitated when I offered to pay her to watch it. I was convinced if she did, she would understand why she needed to pass it on to the guy. What he did with it was up to him. She wouldn't meet my eyes but promised to watch it.

Next day I go round she says "I told you we'd watch it". Then she said "Brian (her partner) watched it". Okaaay, she's so afraid she let someone else think for her. So I say to him "so you see why you have to pass this inforamtion on?" And he says "well not really" WTF? He'd completely ignored the scientific verification (maybe he thinks the Japanese are not real scientists??) and the numerous testimonials on there from people who'd been cured of cancers - many even had their scans and their medical files to show. He said "Steve McQueen went to that Mexiacn clinic and died". So now I know he's a retard. Steve McQueen had animal cell injections in some clinic in Mexico, went back to the US for surgery and that failed. Apparently there must be only one clinic in Mexico. FFS it just blew me away.

The guy who had been denied this info ( a lovely fella), he may have done nothing with it, but he may have used it. In his position I'd have wanted information like that. As it was he had nothing but chemo. They should have checked him every 6 months, but for some reason they forgot to do one, and he didn't get scanned for a year. They'd never reduced the tumour, just stabilized it. Now it had spread to his lungs and he went down rapidly. He died a few months ago.

What a damn waste. All because his family were too ignorant and conditioned to this grotesque bovine passivity.

I'm surrounded by people like that, and though I give them the info, I know they won't ever LOOK at it.

It's very depressing.

I went through that with my x-wife when she had cancer and was letting her parents care for her.
In fact that was when I started researching cancer cures and learned about Essaic.
By the time she was in my care the cancer had spread to far to fight and they basically let me care for her so they wouldn't be bothered by it.
I even had one of her doctors tell me that once you have cancer nutrition doesn't matter (I was escorted out of the hospital by security after that one).

Myself I've never been healthier since I lost my health insurance and have relied herbal remedies for what ails me. My ulcers or G.E.R.D. (which ever dr. you believe) has gone from a daily problem to acting up maybe once a yearfor a couple of days simply by stopping the medication I Was taking for it.
I have arthritis almost everywhere and that is almost non-existent thanks to Apple Cider Vinegar.
I'm a little broke now, so you could pay me to go to the doctors, but you couldn't pay me to follow their advice

[Yusuf]

Phnx Stories like this are motivating to spread the info online to educate those who may benefit from it... that brings something positive out of the situation.

I know what you mean same exact thing occurring in my family. It's sad the way people are brainwashed to distrust their own common sense, to use nutrition to treat your illness. To make matters worse, the studies such as the ones from Japan only strengthen the use of nutrition to treat illness yet people continue in their slumber.

[aquablue]

Thank you, everyone, for your thoughtful replies. I gave my brother-in-law the Henderson book today, along with a bottle of flaxseed oil and some organic cottage cheese to start him off. He's very skeptical, but agreed to read the book.

Thanks again,
Terese

[ThomM]

Terese I also found some great books on nutrition and cancer at the bookstore. All I was looking for was basic nutrition and cancer.
One thing we found was eating raw spinach gave my x more energy.

[Illumination]

Almost all doctors are liars... Either that or they are really so conceited that they think they know everything and are unaware that they're lying... But most times today the case is that the health industry is driven by money rather true concern for the health of patients...

I know tons of people who cured themselves of, not only cancer, but other so-called incurable diseases such as hypertension, diabetes, and even passing out kidney stones naturally. All by changing their diet to one that is natural and healthy.

Doctors will tell you that changing your diet or improving your nutrition won't help you with anything or cure you of anything... And most of the time, I find that these doctors themselves don't even know what good nutrition really is. They know some basic facts, like that eating vegetable is good for you. But I guess that's all they know and everyone knows that. But that's not really true, as how you eat the vegetables is equally important... And they are ignorant of so many other things.

The drugs contained in the medicines they give you mostly lead to deterioration of your health while giving you short-term relief. The medicine doctors give their patients is only good for covering the symptoms of certain sicknesses without removing the actual cause. If you really want to have good health, then changing your diet is a necessity ro remove the 'cause' of the sickness.

Everytime I hear something like that from doctors, it gets me all riled up. I seriously doubt whether doctors care about our health. If everyone were healthy, they would be out of business. It seems to me that they are stopping people from knowing the real truth all for the sake of preserving their personal pride and to protect the name of the medical profession.

And the biggest lie that I've heard from doctors is that cancer can't be cured and it is genetic. If you'll get it, you'll get it. And people who say that they cure themselves of cancer naturally are misled, and sometimes a pre-cancer is wrongly diagnosed as a cancer. I think that's all rubbish because... Considering the number of people who are able to cure themselves naturally, if all of those people were 'misdiagnosed' as having cancer, then I can only say that doctors must be doing a bad job if so so many people are being 'misdiagnosed'.

All I want to say is, if you or any of your loved ones have cancer or any other 'incurable' disease, don't you think that it would be better for you to put your life into your own hands, rather than that of someone who's only reason to help you is to gain some of your money?

And yes, you can cure cancer naturally...

[Andrew Davis]

Almost all doctors are liars... Either that or they are really so conceited that they think they know everything and are unaware that they're lying... But most times today the case is that the health industry is driven by money rather true concern for the health of patients...

I have to say this this statement is very true.

The Health industry, legal industry, etc...
The people who we look up to, to protect us and help us in life.
Are really a bunch of dishonest people out to steal your money.
Yes they are very smart and educated,
but that's what makes them the perfect "criminals"


By eating healthy and exercising, you can cure almost any illness.
This is well known and proven.

They rather to drain out your money with useless appointments and expensive prescriptions,
Because they know when people are fearful of their life/health, they will throw out thousands just to get that "Miracle cure"

It's a Sad and Dirty world...

[HeySal]

Terese - raspberries are so effective that black raspberries (best source) are now being freeze dried and ground up in animal foods - red raspberries are almost as good as black raspberries and blackberries as well.

Cucurium (turmeric) annihilates cancer cells in a petri dish (all they will admit).

48 hours to atrophie and 72 hours to kill - dosage? Not sure, but load up.

[Jonathan 2.0]

My experience with doctors here in the UK it's that they're extremely helpful and honest.

They want people to become healthier and they do an excellent job. (Maybe it's different in America.) I'd be lost if I didn't have a GP. I'm sure you don't think anything negative about doctors when you go for a check up and get the all clear or when you're cured of a minor ailment.

I think people start reading about this conspiracy stuff like Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures: What 'They' Don't Want You To Know About" and go too extreme with it. As far as I can tell here in the UK there's no conspiracy where doctors (and the medical profession) don't want people to hear about new treatments.

The thing is that they can't recommend many of these natural cures because they're not clinically proven. They have to recommend the most proven treatment that's available otherwise they're be putting people's lives at steak.

That's my opinion anyway. I've always had good experiences with doctors. And I don't believe all this conspiracy stuff. There may be some truth to it however people go too extreme with it and are often spreading misinformation.

[michellec]

If you can separate your opinions on Kevin Trudeau from the information he delivers in his More Natural Cures book... there is some information on alternative Cancer treatments being widely provided outside of the US that appears to have some amazing results. This is not in his "Natural Cures" book, it is the second one "More Natural Cures". I literally wept reading about some very effective therapies that are not practiced in the US/Canada but are widely available in other countries.

If I was diagnosed, my absolute first step would be to flood my body with nutrients from an all-juice-organic diet. There are recipe books for juicing that give you the top anti-cancer fruit & veg to include. I would remove sugar from my diet completely.

Although not mainstream in Canada, my province does have a page on its website about DMSO (also mentioned in Kevin Trudeau's book). Sorry I don't have enough posts to include the link here (there is something on the BC Cancer Agency Site).

Treatments are such a personal decision, and the MIND has an incredible effect on ones ability to heal and fight this.

All the best,
Michelle

[jgand]

No cure for cancer yet. It just depends on your genetics.

It's a matter of more luck than skill to survive it. But each day we get closer to
finding cure.

[TPFLegionaire]

Hi,

There was a time when I was very interested in that subject:

Should I ever get cancer , I would personally try the protocols/products tha follows

-The cure for all diseases by Dr Hulda Clark
-Essiac
-oxygen therapies

Most of the procedures and tools/ingredients are cheap (tens of dollars range ), (relatively ) easily implemented/procured.

As I live in the UK , NHS would allow me a fair amount of conventional options...I would probably elect to have whatever tumor removed as much as feasable surgically and then finish off my treatment with the above as opposed to chemo.

Also , one of the factor to consider is that, although I would be in line for a payout from my insurers should a cancer be diagnosed, they would not pay out if I followed alternative treatments, so probably would need to follow the normal path for as long as possible then switch to alternative when the money has been paid.

This is the path I would try to follow for myself.

I of course, assume, than faced with death , I will be able to stay true to my beliefs.

Good luck to all with cancer.


PS: just a few clarifications for my American friends, the insurer payments that I am talking about are from private health and sickness insurance (30$ a month), it's a quite big (think 6 figures lump sum) paid to me when diagnosed. The actual conventional treatments, should I choose to use them , would be free due to our National Health System.

[TPFLegionaire]

Originally Posted by Terese Dadd

Hi everybody,

Has anyone either cured cancer by natural means, or know someone who has? I just picked up a copy of the book, Cancer-Cure, by Bill Henderson. I plan on giving it to someone tomorrow, but I'm going to look through it tonight.
Was wondering if any Warriors had an experience of this type to share.

Thanks,
Terese

Giving an alternative cure to someone with cancer , even a loved one is a huge undertaking, quite simply you are telling a person faced with death that the combined might of the medical profession and associated moral majority in our society are wrong and that you have access to the info that will help.

You may be right, but be prepared for rejection , even extremely hostile rejection, make sure you can cope with it.The guilt that you may experience when failing what is a life or death mission can be overwhelming .

I commend you for undertaking this difficult task and I hope you will find a way to reach this person.

Good luck.

[Jeff Noel]

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates

"You are what you eat."

Check this man out he is on youtube and write many articles. He is truly remarkable.

Dr. Robert O. Young

[HeySal]

What I have never understood is how a person can sit and listen to a doctor say "I'm sorry, there's nothing more I can do" and not get up and start looking for ways THEY might be able to save themselves. What kind of mentality does it take to be so obedient to an "authority" - and an authority is only ALLOWED to cure you using phramacuetically
apporve methods, that they will sit and die rather than seek other options. Face it, there's nobody on earth who will ever care as much for your existence as your own self. When others say you are beyond help, you better be ready to get in there and start fending for yourself or that's called the fat lady singing. If I had not have refused to check out of this hotel when told to, I'd not be here to rag on you people today. Trust me on that one.

[Lawrh]

Human trials complete, 100% success. Your own immune system does the work. Published in multiple peer reviewed journals, completely ignored.

Cancer Cured For Good

[ConcordeWarrior]

Professor Mirko Beljanski's legacy

Natural Source International

Dr. Beljanski realized that if he could find a way to prevent the uncontrolled replication and expression of destabilized DNA then he might be able to destroy these unhealthy cells. After years of research, he discovered these properties in certain plant extracts. These extracts proved to exhibit selective action, acting only on those cells which have been destabilized and leaving healthy cells untouched. This scientific realization forms the basis of the Beljanski® products.

[Mike Anthony]

A while back -7 0r 8 years ago there was a report that breast milk caused cancer cells to self destruct. There were to be clinical trials within a year or two but heard nothing more of it. Can't make a patent on breast milk so I guess the money isn't there to push it through.

[Richard Tunnah]

There's no known cure for cancer at the moment. I say this as my brother (a dr in biochemistry) has spent 7 years working for cancer drug companies and latterally as a consultant to global drug companies in relation to cancer drugs. He's had a number of articles published in the medical journal (UK) on cancer treatment. However he's left as he was annoyed by global drug companies. Why? Because all these drug companies have part of a great drug for various cancers but will never work with other drug companies that have another part of the drug. It's all about money and the global drug companies competing to be first to have 'the' drug and to make the billions from it! That's the bottom line unfortunately.

Rich

[Richard Tunnah]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

A while back -7 0r 8 years ago there was a report that breast milk caused cancer cells to self destruct. There were to be clinical trials within a year or two but heard nothing more of it. Can't make a patent on breast milk so I guess the money isn't there to push it through.

Most climical trials take 5 -10 years apparently to go through testing and get approved by the various wordwide bodies.

Rich

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by HeySal

What I have never understood is how a person can sit and listen to a doctor say "I'm sorry, there's nothing more I can do" and not get up and start looking for ways THEY might be able to save themselves. What kind of mentality does it take to be so obedient to an "authority" - and an authority is only ALLOWED to cure you using phramacuetically
apporve methods, that they will sit and die rather than seek other options. Face it, there's nobody on earth who will ever care as much for your existence as your own self. When others say you are beyond help, you better be ready to get in there and start fending for yourself or that's called the fat lady singing. If I had not have refused to check out of this hotel when told to, I'd not be here to rag on you people today. Trust me on that one.

Sal, for some I think it's just the lack of the will to keep fighting. I went through this with my niece.

After 2 failed surgeries and tons of Chemo and Radiation she had had enough. No strength or will. And she was just 18.

I sat with my sister and her talking about all the things they could still try, gave them links to sites (including some in this thread), bought a couple of books and so on.

But in her mind, it was too late...so it was. I think a big part was that many of the alternative treatments involved certain foods, but basically her intestines were 95% blocked by tumors. Anything she ate came back up in less than 10 minutes.

Would it have made a difference? Well, I was hopeful, but we'll never know.

Mike

[DependableTrader]

Natural cures can be very effective and I know several people who have had success. However, there is no one magic silver bullet. The matter of fact, when using natural cures you should employ a number of different ones simultaneously. You cant do this with traditional common medicine because it is toxic and you would have serious effects comhining them. But with natural cures you can. Some are actually more specific than others for certain types of cancer.

The reason you use different methods is that you want to attack the problem in different ways at the same time. For example, you may use high dose enzymes between meals and they get into the blood and dissolve the cloaking mechanism that cancer cells have developed to hide from your immune system. You than may take things like inositol pentaphosphate 6 which provides a substrate that white cells use in making their cytokines that are the signalling chemical that calls the other immune cells into action. Then you hit it with shark cartilage which prevents angiogenesis which is the formation of new blood vessels and cancer needs that because of its high metabolic rate. Without enough blood supply the cancer cells starve to death. Then you nail the sucker with bitter almond or apricot pits which actually contain the natural form of the drug Laetrile and is a specific targeted chemotherapy and kills cancer cells. I dont want to get too technical here but the Laetrile is really a cool idea because the cancer cells have an enzyme in them that breaks the Laetrile down into a substance that is toxic to them specifically but the normal body cells can defend against it.

And the list goes on......


You should read anything you can by Ralph Moss PhD. He is a well respected cancer researcher and has the most informative material. He also can do custom analysis of an individuals case if you have the medical test results sent to him. He will recommend an exact specific combination of methods that have a proven track record for that type of cancer.

I saw in other posts that someone recommended essiac, thats a pretty good one.

I hope this helps you out.

[Richard Tunnah]

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Sal, for some I think it's just the lack of the will to keep fighting. I went through this with my niece.

After 2 failed surgeries and tons of Chemo and Radiation she had had enough. No strength or will. And she was just 18.

I sat with my sister and her talking about all the things they could still try, gave them links to sites (including some in this thread), bought a couple of books and so on.

But in her mind, it was too late...so it was. I think a big part was that many of the alternative treatments involved certain foods, but basically her intestines were 95% blocked by tumors. Anything she ate came back up in less than 10 minutes.

Would it have made a difference? Well, I was hopeful, but we'll never know.

Mike

Mike,
I do believe will power can help in the short term. When my mum was terminally ill and bedridden for 2 years she made a miraclous recovery to get out of bed and look half healthy for 1 day (a triple birthday bash for my brothers 18th, my grandad's 70th and my 21st). Unfortunately she died a few weeks later. It was like her last hurrah! I also took my grandad (who also had terminal cancer) to Italy for a last time. Doctors thought he'd not travel but he did. Unfortunately getting him back was a different story.

Rich

[Richard Tunnah]

From a few years back-

Cancer: the generic impact

The cancer market is set for a boom in low cost drugs, as a significant number of high value cancer drugs are set to lose patent protection over the next decade, triggering a dramatic influx of cheaper generic equivalents. But as patients and generics manufacturers bask in the glow, pharmaceutical companies will be forced to gamble on innovation for fear of being left out in the cold?

Extensive savings are expected in the cost of cancer treatment as the value of the cancer generics market dramatically expands. This is forecast to occur due to the sharp increase in the number of cancer product approvals toward the end of the 20th century, many of which now face patent expiry.

In addition, the regulatory environment of the pharmaceutical market is facing proposed changes that could favor the earlier introduction of generic drugs.
A $15 billion saving

For research-based pharmaceutical companies, this poses a considerable threat to their revenue stream from the oncology market, while for generics manufacturers this is a dramatic new opportunity. Overall, cancer patients are expected to benefit most: from cheaper treatments and increased innovation.

Datamonitor calculates the total value of the generic drugs market across the seven major pharmaceutical markets to be approximately $20 billion. Of this, oncology products currently account for less than 10% of generic sales.

However, in line with the increasing number of cancer drug approvals toward the end of the 20th century, a significant number of cancer drugs will lose patent protection over the next decade.

The total value of these cancer drugs by the time of patent expiry is forecast to be in excess of $15 billion, triggering a dramatic expansion in the cancer generics market. This represents a significant opportunity for generics manufacturers, many of whom view the current cancer market as unattractive compared to other therapy areas in terms of generating revenue.
Growing demand

This translates into enormous cost savings for consumers, as generic drugs are typically priced at around 30% to 60% of the price of the original. This will allow effective treatment of more patients for the same cost in developed markets, and greater availability of cancer therapies in developing markets, which face restrictive healthcare budgets.

The cost of cancer treatment is expected to rise in line with the increasing incidence of the major tumor types - as the number of patients diagnosed with cancer grows, so too will the cost of treating this increased patient population. This will result in more cancer products achieving high sales in a traditionally low sales market compared to other therapy areas.

The launch of a generic equivalent to the widely used cancer drug paclitaxel in the US by Ivax Pharmaceuticals in 2000 illustrates the potential value of high sales cancer products to the generics industry. Bristol-Myers Squibb's original branded paclitaxel product, Taxol, achieved global sales of almost $1.6 billion in 2000, of which $988 million was from the US market.

BMS saw US sales of Taxol drop by 45% to $545 million in 2001 following the launch of generic equivivalents like Ivax's Onxol. 2002 sales of Taxol are not expected to exceed $200 million following a price drop and further generic competition.
The end of patent protection

Revenue from this single generic product accounted for 17% of Ivax's total generic sales revenue in 2001. Although Bristol-Myers Squibb's Taxol sales in 2000 are the highest recorded sales for any cancer drug in a single year so far, several current drugs have the potential to exceed this figure prior to patent loss.

Several high revenue cancer products are faced with imminent patent expiry within the US and European markets, including AstraZeneca's tamoxifen (marketed under the brand name Nolvadex) loses market exclusivity in the US in February 2003.

Tamoxifen is considered to be the gold-standard hormonal treatment for breast cancer, used as both a first-line treatment for post-menopausal early-stage patients and as a preventative treatment. Global sales of tamoxifen in 2001 were $1,024 million.

Bristol-Myers Squibb's platinum-based cancer drug Paraplatin (carboplatin) faces US patent loss in 2004. Carboplatin is indicated for the treatment of ovarian cancer, but also used in the treatment of several other cancer types including lung cancer, leading to global sales in excess of $700 million in 2001.

Low cost generic equivalents to these, and other cancer products expected to achieve sales of over $1 billion by patent expiry, will both expand the cancer generics market, currently valued at around $2 billion, and create significant healthcare savings.
The generic solution for healthcare budgets

Governments are under increasing pressure to reduce healthcare spending, leading to the advancement of regulatory changes that will favor the generics industry. For example, the McCain-Schumer Act, recently approved by the US Senate, could see the earlier introduction of generic drugs and the sealing of loopholes that allow pharmaceutical manufacturers to delay generic drug launches.

Despite the opposition of the pharmaceutical industry, these regulations are backed by a collaboration of generics companies, consumer groups and large corporations keen to reduce health insurance costs, in addition to bipartisan political support.

If the President signs this bill into law, it could render many of the traditional strategies utilized by pharmaceutical companies to extend product lifetime and delay the launch of generics obsolete.
The Big Pharma response

Furthermore, regulatory reform over the next decade will allow the production of generic equivalents to biological therapies, such as therapeutic proteins, which are high price, innovative therapies.

In addition to the advantages of low cost generics the market change is also expected to have a positive impact on the major pharmaceutical organizations, as they will no longer be able to depend on strategies such as extensive patent litigation to maintain revenues.

"Ultimately, research-based pharmaceutical companies will be driven toward the development of novel, more efficacious therapies, as they can no longer depend on prolonged revenue from older products facing patent expiry," says Paul Tunnah, cancer analyst at Datamonitor.

"The cost savings triggered by extensive genericization of the cancer market will allow the treatment of more cancer patients, more effectively, with the same amount of healthcare spending."

[pakidesigner]

IN INDIAN CANCER CURE IS CHEAP....but its rare that cancer victim cured fully. because its a deadly virus. which inactivates but again reactivate after some time.

[DependableTrader]

Most people have no idea that 92.5% of the ONCOLOGISTS, when surveyed by the New Engleand Journal of Medicine, (one of the 2 most respected medical publications in the U.S.A.) said if they had cancer them selves, would NOT ever do chemotherapy.

I had an exchange student from Poland who was studying pre-med curriculum here in the "U.S.A. tell me that she suddenly decided she could never be a medical doctor. When I asked why she told me that she was following the doctors around at a prominent cancer treatment facility as part of her required time observing medical doctors. She said that between the sessions of administering chemo to patients, the doctors would remark to each other in private about what they think will KILL the patient first, the chemo or the cancer.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by DependableTrader

Most people have no idea that 92.5% of the ONCOLOGISTS, when surveyed by the New Engleand Journal of Medicine, (one of the 2 most respected medical publications in the U.S.A.) said if they had cancer them selves, would NOT ever do chemotherapy.

I had an exchange student from Poland who was studying pre-med curriculum here in the "U.S.A. tell me that she suddenly decided she could never be a medical doctor. When I asked why she told me that she was following the doctors around at a prominent cancer treatment facility as part of her required time observing medical doctors. She said that between the sessions of administering chemo to patients, the doctors would remark to each other in private about what they think will KILL the patient first, the chemo or the cancer.

It's not just chemo drugs. It's pretty much ANY drug CAN kill you. After almost 20 years in the drug manufacturing business, I too would not stay on ANY drug for any period of time.

I'm not against them 100%. But I do think as a nation we're over-prescribed and over-medicated.

[Richard Tunnah]

Originally Posted by DependableTrader

Most people have no idea that 92.5% of the ONCOLOGISTS, when surveyed by the New Engleand Journal of Medicine, (one of the 2 most respected medical publications in the U.S.A.) said if they had cancer them selves, would NOT ever do chemotherapy.

I had an exchange student from Poland who was studying pre-med curriculum here in the "U.S.A. tell me that she suddenly decided she could never be a medical doctor. When I asked why she told me that she was following the doctors around at a prominent cancer treatment facility as part of her required time observing medical doctors. She said that between the sessions of administering chemo to patients, the doctors would remark to each other in private about what they think will KILL the patient first, the chemo or the cancer.

The problem with chemo is it kills all cells good and bad which can screw your system. After chemo they have to pump you with blood to try to get the good cells back in your body. Otherwise minor illnesses like colds can kill you. They are trialling laser targetting that can latch onto only the bad cells. They are meant to be building 2 units in the UK at a cost of $7m a piece!

Rich

[Lawrh]

Originally Posted by renault760

The bottom line is Money. If there was a simple, natural, cheap solution, does anyone think for one minute that they would want us knowing about it?

Follow the link in post 28. The solution exists, the cancer industry pretends it doesn't.

[artwebster]

Reading through this blog puts me in mind of a typical bit of internet marketing teaching - FIND A DESPERATE CROWD AND SELL THEM ANY OLD CRAP - THEN SELL THEM SOME NEW CRAP - THEN SELL THEM ANY BLOODY THING ELSE THAT YOU CAN.

For more than fourty years I have been inundated with possible cures and panaceas. I have taken part in hundreds of clinical trials. I have seen pople die because they THOUGHT they had cancer. I have seen people live because, like me, they do not see cancer as some super killer but as just another disease to which mankind is subject.

The simple truth of the matter is that if you do something in the belief that it will help, it WILL help. If you don't believe, don't bother trying.

I have looked behind some of these claimed miracle cures and have found that the successes are FAR outweighed by the failures - but failures don't sell products.

[Philip Xander]

Do you know how many cancer curing projects have been shut down by the Government agencies, just about all of them that have gained some ground, I might be wrong but I know of a few that were prommising!

[Philip Xander]

oh but your mouth does I guess which is an instant success thought by you lol!

[KenThompson]

Originally Posted by HeySal

I also use turmeric to shrink and get rid of tumors for my dog who is extreme old now.

Sal, how did you use it on your dog?

Thanks.

[KenThompson]

One question I've always pondered...

Imagine if a cure was announced for something like cancer, heart disease,
or other similar "biggies." (When I say "cure" here, I'm talking about
the hypothetical situation in which it is irrefutable and accepted by
all parties involved.)

What impact would that have on industry/research profits?

In light of that question, and this thread, I did some quick research for
money spent per annum. Here's what I found...

In 2005, msnbc/Assoc Press reported on an issue by the Journal of the
American Medical Assoc (JAMA) that stated 95 Billion dollars is spent
in the US alone on medical research.

57% is spent by "industry," and 28% is spent by the NIH (National
Institue of Health).

Here's an interesting quote from the article:

"The findings corroborate critics' analyses that most medical research funds are spent on marketing non-essential, "me too" drugs and treatments, while neglecting to develop treatments for intractable diseases. The findings also confirm the continuing health risk posed by industry's profit driven drug development.

Once a market has been created--even lethal drugs are aggressively marketed, mostly with false and misleading claims about their safety and efficacy--e.g., Vioxx and its class of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs; Paxil and its class of antidepressants; Risperdal and Zyprexa and their class of antipsychotics."

It all reminds me of corp bailouts using the rationale that some companies
are too large to collapse or go bankrupt.

[Karen Blundell]

why what a coincidence that you posted this...
I lost both my parents to cancer, and my favorite aunt, and some of my friends' parents as well.

I'm angry that we live in a world where main stream medicine is all about money. Healthy people do not make the pharmaceutical companies money!

don't get me started!

anyway...

Please read how this 64-year-old man cured himself of aggressive stage 4 prostate cancer which had even metastasized into his bone matter - using a cocktail of baking soda, molasses and water. The idea is to change your body's PH to alkaline level because cancer cells cannot survive when your body's PH is 8.0 or above..read more here:

My Dance with Cancer - Home

Please pass this on. I truly believe it can save someone's life.

[Phnx]

I've just dramatically shrunk the main part of my Dads sinus tumour.

I was only trying to contain it or slow it down, to give him time to die of something less hideous and painful. He has heart problems and had a stroke years ago which has left him with memory problems and other difficulties (I even have to wipe his arse for him). So, it's his time to go you know, but he wasn't gonna go of cancer, not on my watch! I'm trying to ensure he has a "good death".

The tumour was in his right sinus and gave him a chipmunk look, then it spread to the nose and it's very 'fat' that side. You can see the thing in there, reminds me of a cauliflower. So, he was biopsied and given the delightful news that it was spreading fast and would get into his eye and blind him, and thence to the brain where it would kill him. Nothing they could do, and he's too old, sick and frail to withstand chemo etc (thank god! that would have finished him off). So they sent him home to die.

I've had the district nurses and specialist cancer "Macmillan" nurses round telling me what to expect, and explaining if I don't want him in a hospice they can have the morphine driver at home. Lovely.

I've been blending smoothies with all the good fruits and vegetables (fortunately his tastebuds aren't working!) but he still smoked, had his coffee and biscuits (usually a no-no for cancer diets) so it was a very half-assed attempt. Flaxseed and hemp oils, seeds nuts, berries etc. Loads of B17 foods, Vit D3 supplements and wheatgrass juice. But the one thing which was central was the apricot kernels (very high B17). In spite of the scare stories about cyanide poisoning they are 21 times less toxic than aspirin or common table sugar on the toxicology tables. Anyhoo....

Things were going well, no sign of growth, and his pain was at the level of a thumping headache occasionally (not enough to stop him enjoying his TV). Couple of paracetemols (equivalent to your Tylenol I think) and he was fine. The nurses were amazed.

However after 6 weeks, the lump in his cheek 'grew' which freaked me out. The cancer nurse was all "oh that happens sometimes, I suppose it could be an infection, but...." and you could tell she was in more comfortable territory now. I latched onto the infection and got given antibiotics. Next morning it was clear to me it was an infection as the tumour was highlighted and had streaks coming from it. He couldn't swallow now and his whole face ballooned. Off to hospital we go.

My battle really began here, because they assumed it was because of the tumour and as he was under 'palliative care' that meant they wouldn't do anything. They graciously said they'd put a feeding tube in him and send him back to the nursing home. I'm getting snotty at this point and telling them he's not in a nursing home and it wasn't the damn tumour causing the problem so they should treat the infection first before making assumptions. (LOL they really don't like me, and I bet they put snide remarks in my Dads file. )

The Head & Neck Cancer Nurse tells me they've put him on morphine and she thinks the "end is near". I'm starting to doubt now and wondering what to do if they suggest withdrawing food and water and keeping him on a morphine driver. But I stick to my guns, and leave for the night.

Next day I'm there and it was unbelievable. Remember, they thought his end had come the previous night. He was sat in a chair by his bed looking quite chipper. All signs of the swelling and infection had completely gone, but something else was gone too. Took me a second to realise his cheek was completely flat. That could only mean the tumour had shrunk. If it was still there then it must have been tiny! It was still in his nose, and possibly the roof of his mouth, but the primary tumour had seemingly gone. *poof*. This was way more than I was hoping for, and it had taken only 6 weeks. How long would it have taken if I'd really gone all out, and he'd been co-operating?? (Weird that the primary disappeared first, I would have thought the nose area would have shrank first if shrinkage was going on ).

Natch I asked for another scan to confirm that part had gone or shrunk but they kept bull****ting about it being traumatic for him, and only the Consultant could order one (they're never around when you want them, you have to book an appointment at their clinic to speak with them). So I'm saying but if he comes in again and you think he's about to croak then I'll have the new scan to show it's either not growing or may have shrunk. They say if he comes in again and ends up on the same ward they'll remember how he reacted.

They still had him on morphine even though I told them he may not need it now the infection had gone. That had been the only point he was in extreme pain. I get him home after a few days and tell him that maybe in another 6 weeks we'll get rid of the rest of it from his nose, but he didn't particularly care (bit of dementia). He's decided he doesn't want to eat the good stuff anymore, so I've had to do what I can to continue, but it'll be slower obviously. Perhaps it's just as well.

I've figured that the infection must have been caused because the body couldn't get rid of those dead cancer cells fast enough (and his eliminations are poor anyway as he simply won't drink enough water). Bacterial infection set in and it was rough, but the antibiotics in the IV allowed it to be swept away. I'd have had no idea how well things were working without that little crisis. Probably the dead tissue would have been eliminated gradually and I'd have been "I'm sure that tumour is shrinking" but everyone would have thought I was grasping at straws.

I have to wash and shave that face so I know every centimetre of the lumps, and I'm seeing encouraging shrinking and softening of his nose. Previously you could see the tumour at the end of his nostril directly, now you have to tilt your head and look up there.

I've added the enzyme Serrapeptase to his regime to help with elimination of dead tissue. This is non-toxic and comes from the silk-worm. It specifically digests any dead tissue, so hopefully we won't have an inflammation crisis again. Presumably the nose and mouth will allow an easier elimination route anyway.

The dosage I gave him started off with 1 apricot kernel 3 times a day sprinkled into his meals and smoothies (used a plain ole coffee grinder to break down the kernels into a fine powder, but a pestle and mortar or couple of spoons might do it). That was mainly to see if he was allergic. No problems so then I increased to 2 each meal for a few days. Then 3 for about a week. Then 4 for a couple of weeks. Did 5 each meal for a few days too, but I reckon you lose one along the way in the bottom of the bowl. If he wouldn't eat much, I'd put the powder in an empty gelatine capsule. You can chew the kernels if you have the teeth (he hasn't) but I wouldn't take them without food. He was having about 20 a day at peak (he's now back on 12-16 (3 or 4 x 4 times a day, always taken with food). Some people have about 40-60 a day but it may depend on body weight. My Dad is quite frail, so I wouldn't have risked more. Make sure you have sufficient zinc in your diet else the B17 can't be used.

Here's a Family Practitioner talking about how he eventually became convinced about B17 and started using the concentrated extract (laetrille) on his patients and the results he got. Also describes his battles with the FDA. Fascinating read.

ALIVE AND WELL by Philip E. Binzel, Jr., M.D.

This next site is a good source of info. He used the kernels himself and became so fanatical about letting people know, he actually became a spammer and went to prison for it.

http://www.apricotsfromgod.info/mystory.htm

[As it's been bothering me that I might be sparing my Dad a horrid death from cancer only to leave him to rot from dementia I was looking into help for the symptoms of that. Alzheimers is showing great success with MCT Oil (medium chain triglycerides) which body builders apparently use, and it's main source Coconut Oil (has to be raw or virgin and not refined). Hanging out on the dementia boards I've learned it also helps Lewy Body Dementia. Dunno whether it'll help my Dad (vascular dementia) but I'll try it. Latest research is showing Alzheimers in particular may be a novel form of Diabetes - Diabetes Type III - and if the brain can't get glucose the cells die off. This happens decades before any signs show up and then you can only help the symptoms. Coconut Oil is converted by the liver into ketones which the brain can use as an alternative fuel so if for some reason it can't use glucose, it'll save the cells from dying.]

"Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food" - Hippocrates

Coconut Oil and Ketones

ETA: Karen is correct - all these cancer diets also tend to make you more alkaline and cancer can't survive in such an environment. I think the ideal dietary ratio for optimum health is 70% alkaline foods and 30% acid. (Many seemingly acid foods actually have an alkalising effect on the body, lemons and other citrus fruits for example.)

[Karen Blundell]

Phnx,

I would like to express how very proud I am to know someone like you who is trying to save his father from a death sentence. Far too many people are dying from this disease needlessly.

I truly believe that many of today's diseases are preventable. We are not being taught that though. We are taught band-aid solutions. We are given toxic drugs, that cure the symptoms, and not the disease.
We need to eat the right foods, we need to get out into the sunshine as often as we can, we need to control our stress levels, and we need to excercise (something I don't do enough of!), and we need to practice deep breathing.

It sounds almost too simple, doesn't it? We have the power to heal ourselves. Our bodies are made to fight off any infection, any sickness.
But the pharmaceutical companies don't want us to know that, do they?

[David B.]

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[Karen Blundell]

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