Another Shooting Rampage This Time In Wisconsin

[The 13th Warrior]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Not quite the same fallacy. What is being presumed here is that both incidents stem from the SAME cause, not one from the other. The presumption is that because of timing, pending legislative action, and nature of the crime committed, it is a false flag operation. The fallacy is modus ponens. And just because it's a modus ponens argument it does not mean that it is false. THAT is what people are trying to establish.

I am not liking the "official" versions of these crimes being "lone" shooters when eye witnesses report otherwise. In the video I posted this man was very emphatic that there were 4 shooters. That would make this an organized act of terrorism rather than just a lone nutcase terrorizing a group he hates. There's a big difference between those two things. I want to know why, if people are reporting groups of attackers - we are being told it's lone nut jobs. I am not making any conclusion about why, even though I may speculate.

I really and truly want to know why. Is it to keep panic to a minimum? To create panick? To promote the case against gun ownership? To make people think there is more or less control over the situation than there is? There's a LOT of reasons that officials would give a widely discrepant report than those who experience it do. It can be presumed the fact that these reports do not even slightly match that there is a reason for it. What the hell is the reason?

Now that's what I am talking about, objectivity.

We don't necessarily have to agree, but the RIGHT questions need to be asked about a lot of things, of most "news" stories.

Here's a laymen without even a micro-fraction of the means so-called "journalist"(laughable) have yet , these questions will NEVER come up.

They (corporate) do not pay "media" people for investigative, objective, truth searching questions and answers.

Ya think General Electric War Manufacturers who owns news bureaus want or care about objectivity? C'mon.

The only journalist or investigators left are self-employed entrepreneurs who support their own way and travel to get to a story, one-man/one-woman type operations.

Maybe "once" one of these questions or witness may slip out in a story, but you will never see it again.

You have to have 'real' thoughts and thinking process to ask these type questions, something AVOIDED in scholastic and academic endeavors.

"Self-Generated" thinking is really cancerous to those with mass agendas; they want to equate propaganda, being trained , of what to think and how to think, NOT educated, as exactly synonymous with "thinking" or independent , critical thought and being educated.

Funny how they tell you to get an "education"..., but do you know the difference between being "educated" and being "trained"?

Education frees, in ALL aspects, true education.

That is why a scientist or a person with three or four degrees is getting under six figures, hell, some scientist don't even make what a bus driver makes...., and the person they are working for is far less educated, but is their boss and is usually financially independent, if not outright rich, and the "educated" guy is under his thumb.

A scientist , a supposed educated person , a person with supposedly some measure of a key to open the doors of freedom from within and without, who suppose to have some mastery of cause and effect, supposed to be "the light" in darkness, scrapping for grants, begging for endowments and scraps or more extensions of such.

Crumbs.

Looking a "job" or master to provide the means of sustenance for his life, instead of BEING a provider of sustenance, showing the PATH to sustenance.

This is the mastery "education" gives one?

Shows you freedom comes from within, not within the walls of some Obedience school called academic/intellectual infrastructures.

A pet's existence only knows the scope what is ALLOWED by his master , usually not taught by anyone free or independent of his kind, who would be self-guided and direction from only nature itself.

Some of you have pets that have skills, that you sent to school.

Who do they serve? Themselves? Can they survive on their own? Do they have
a self-directed purpose? Are their skills for themselves?

Does "survival on their own" mean being able to pick up scraps from a trash can of something discarded from society , those that would be their "masters" or can they hunt, on their own?

So their only means of survival, without a master, is sucking down someone else's trash, no matter how well "educated" they are?

Are they "educated" or "trained"??

Or are YOU, like your pet, BORN or Bred , intellectually/spiritually speaking?

DON'T be a pet.


The 13th Warrior

[TimPhelan]

I posted that fallacy in regards to Steve's post, and his past posts, which gave examples that went beyond the two latest shootings.

Originally Posted by HeySal

Not quite the same fallacy. What is being presumed here is that both incidents stem from the SAME cause, not one from the other.

[TimPhelan]

Not true. There are many excellent freelance journalists but there are also many excellent journalists who work for the so called main stream media. Why do you generalize so much?

Here's a list of journalists who died this year. You will notice many are not freelance:

Journalists in Peril

Even if they are freelance, the fact is that they have a story to tell and that story gets out now more than ever because of the internet. Things are not quite as black and white as you make them out to be.

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

The only journalist or investigators left are self-employed entrepreneurs who support their own way and travel to get to a story, one-man/one-woman type operations.

[TimPhelan]

It's obvious you are anti education and I really doubt it is from experience. Oh, unless it is from what you call "real education", which must mean something different from going to universities because they are all owned by the "elite" or whatever. :/

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

You have to have 'real' thoughts and thinking process to ask these type questions, something AVOIDED in scholastic and academic endeavors.

"Self-Generated" thinking is really cancerous to those with mass agendas; they want to equate propaganda, being trained , of what to think and how to think, NOT educated, as exactly synonymous with "thinking" or independent , critical thought and being educated.

Funny how they tell you to get an "education"..., but do you know the difference between being "educated" and being "trained"?

Education frees, in ALL aspects, true education.

That is why a scientist or a person with three or four degrees is getting under six figures, hell, some scientist don't even make what a bus driver makes...., and the person they are working for is far less educated, but is their boss and is usually financially independent, if not outright rich, and the "educated" guy is under his thumb.

A scientist , a supposed educated person , a person with supposedly some measure of a key to open the doors of freedom from within and without, who suppose to have some mastery of cause and effect, supposed to be "the light" in darkness, scrapping for grants, begging for endowments and scraps or more extensions of such.

Crumbs.

Looking a "job" or master to provide the means of sustenance for his life, instead of BEING a provider of sustenance, showing the PATH to sustenance.

This is the mastery "education" gives one?

Shows you freedom comes from within, not within the walls of some Obedience school called academic/intellectual infrastructures.

[HeySal]

He's FOR education, Tim. What he's talking about is the suppression of the educated and educational institutions that teach people what to think instead of how to think. He's right on that one. Good solid education in critical thinking, sciences, etc. is a thing of the past - we got the last of it. It's not going to get better soon, either.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones

The next question is why is it that they want to develop another intellectual dark ages?

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I posted that fallacy in regards to Steve's post, and his past posts, which gave examples that went beyond the two latest shootings.

Well, your statements about it only being import/export don't make sense for SO many reasons. BESIDES, when was the last time a person was shipped a gun from another country personally, through legal channels, or from a highjacked shipment that would have been legal, and used it against another nation? I can't recall a time. Can YOU? In the US, most problems are caused by DOMESTIC purchases or THEFT. Now, I don't want to wade through a lot that has been sanitized, etc..., but the following should be good enough:

Non-Governmental Organizations Question Member States’ Commitment as Preparatory Committee Continues Debate on Small Arms, Light Weapons

In any event, the US has been pushing and pushing and pushing. With the expectation they have tried to set in the US, we would be lucky if they left us with a gun that is little more than a 21st century MUSKET! They have said as much. HECK, I have a 16+1 because they made it illegal. There would have been a BIG uproar if they made it illegal to OWN one, so it is simply illegal to BUY, SELL, MAKE parts or such guns. Last I heard, 10 was now MAX! And they think THAT is too many, but there isn't much difference between a 10 and a 16+1. In fact, it isn't a difference with the gun at all, but the magazine. When will they get rid of the magazine ENTIRELY? When will they get rid of the gun entirely. It is ludicrous that you even doubt they are trying. As for the PROOF you pointed me to? Tense and modifiers are THROUGHOUT! That screams INTENTIONAL wiggleroom to me. Call it a loophole if you want, but the result is the same.

Steve

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by HeySal

He's FOR education, Tim. What he's talking about is the suppression of the educated and educational institutions that teach people what to think instead of how to think. He's right on that one. Good solid education in critical thinking, sciences, etc. is a thing of the past - we got the last of it. It's not going to get better soon, either.

14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools | Mother Jones

The next question is why is it that they want to develop another intellectual dark ages?

Well, I couldn't believe mother jones would talk about the public education garbage. This isn't about THAT, but about stuff that supposedly all the cheaper PRIVATE schools teach. I doubt VERY much that the private "mostly christian" schools are teaching that nessie exists or 2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12 or 13. I left out 1 because SOME could, but I doubt it. I left out 8 because some may put it that way. It IS treated that way. Heck, 9 is true. Red did NOT really mean the russians, and even their "quote" makes that clear. 11 is really hard to tell, since their example shows something they don't like. Are they exagerating? As for 14? That is also possible. The Bible speaks of a time when a lot of information can be known virtually INSTANTLY, and where countries will join together. Of course, it doesn't work out.

And dragons DO get a small reference in the bible, but I don't recall seeing ANYTHING that said they fly or spit fire. In fact, I can only remember a couple clauses even mentioning them. There IS another race of creatures, I forget their name, that came before the current day humans, and that was one reason given for the flood.

And you KNOW exactly how they are biased just at what was "picked", and how it is emphasized, etc...

Steve

[TLTheLiberator]

Controversial church tweets on tragedy...


Wisconsin Shooting: Westboro Baptist Church Releases Horrific Tweet After Attack On Sikh Temple


Westboro Baptist Church has drawn media attention for its brand of protest, which frequently links the deaths of soldiers to America's growing acceptance of gays.

[TLTheLiberator]

BTW...

Jared Loughner Shooter In Gabby Giffords Rampage Pleads Guilty:

Jared Loughner, Arizona Shooting Suspect, Called A 'Different Person' By Judge After Treatment

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Controversial church tweets on tragedy...


Wisconsin Shooting: Westboro Baptist Church Releases Horrific Tweet After Attack On Sikh Temple


Westboro Baptist Church has drawn media attention for its brand of protest, which frequently links the deaths of soldiers to America's growing acceptance of gays.

Maybe you didn't see my post in the chikfila thread about how the person that berated that woman should meet that pastor that goes to the funerals and all. THIS is that guy! So WHAT is your point?

The pastor here is a nutjob, and will do almost ANYTHING to further his position, or attack people he hates. If he has to go to a funeral post-mortem, or commend a killer, he can and will do it, and HAS. He is probably too chicken to do anything in public ALONE. Christians generally want to distance themselves from the likes of him, and certainly don't support him.

BTW the first amendment does NOT allow such things on religious grounds. That WAS tried in the courts. It also doesn't generally doesn't in terms of free speech. The US generally uses the "clear and present danger" doctrine. TODAY, that technically applies to moderately popular people despite where they may be.

Of course, courts may fight to determine if that last part is really as broad as I essentially said, but they have done this before, and generally have broadend it. Considering you tube and cable, you can bet it is only a matter of time. Anyway, if he IS allowed to be a baptist pastor, it should be PULLED! His tax exempt status should be pulled. If he is traced as influencing such things, he should be charged.

Steve

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

BTW...

Jared Loughner Shooter In Gabby Giffords Rampage Pleads Guilty:

Jared Loughner, Arizona Shooting Suspect, Called A 'Different Person' By Judge After Treatment

I don't know what he looked like earlier, but look at the eyes and lips of him, and the batman shooter. As I recall, even that part of that norwegian shooter. Don't they ALL have that SAME look? It is like nobody is home, nobody cares, etc...

Steve

[TLTheLiberator]

Originally Posted by seasoned

Maybe you didn't see my post in the chikfila thread about how the person that berated that woman should meet that pastor that goes to the funerals and all. THIS is that guy! So WHAT is your point?

The pastor here is a nutjob, and will do almost ANYTHING to further his position, or attack people he hates. If he has to go to a funeral post-mortem, or commend a killer, he can and will do it, and HAS. He is probably too chicken to do anything in public ALONE. Christians generally want to distance themselves from the likes of him, and certainly don't support him.

BTW the first amendment does NOT allow such things on religious grounds. That WAS tried in the courts. It also doesn't generally doesn't in terms of free speech. The US generally uses the "clear and present danger" doctrine. TODAY, that technically applies to moderately popular people despite where they may be.

Of course, courts may fight to determine if that last part is really as broad as I essentially said, but they have done this before, and generally have broadend it. Considering you tube and cable, you can bet it is only a matter of time. Anyway, if he IS allowed to be a baptist pastor, it should be PULLED! His tax exempt status should be pulled. If he is traced as influencing such things, he should be charged.

Steve

After your support for GB and Rush, your opposition to the Ground Zero mosque your support for allowing the debt ceiling to expire, your expressed fear of Sharia law taking over America, etc., etc. etc,...


... to be frank, I'm really surprised you don't support this group also.


TL


Ps. If I have mis-stated any of your positions please correct me.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Controversial church tweets on tragedy...


Wisconsin Shooting: Westboro Baptist Church Releases Horrific Tweet After Attack On Sikh Temple


Westboro Baptist Church has drawn media attention for its brand of protest, which frequently links the deaths of soldiers to America's growing acceptance of gays.

YIKES. Just yikes.

[MoneyMagnetMagnate]

Authorities: Sikh temple gunman killed himself with shot to the head | Fox News