guy "commits suicide" in the back of a police car ...

12 years ago

Of course it was murder. These things happen from time to time and the officials that put out these cover stories are really dense if they think we don't know the difference. I've heard other stories fairly recently that the victim was tied up in some fashion but managed to kill themselves. Yeah Right.

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Kay King

12 years ago

You're off base - really off base. Wrong state - wrong conclusion.

This guy had a warrant out for him in MS for a parole violation - not a first time arrestee.
The conviction wasn't for having a little marijuana - it was for dealing.

Text found on his phone indicated he had a gun with him earlier in the evening.

All witnesses (there were several there) - black and white - said the officers did not go near the police car between the time he was placed in the back seat and the time an officer opened the door and quickly called for help.

I don't think he intended to kill himself. I think his small gun wasn't found in a quick search (and of course he didn't tell them he had it because he's on parole) - and he was trying to hide it in the car before it was found in a search at the jail. I think in trying to get it tucked between the seats or under the seat, the gun went off.

Skip the BBC and HuffPost and look up the articles from the local Southern papers.

The FBI will “monitor” the investigation into Chavis Carter’s death, the police chief of Jonesboro, Arkansas has confirmed to theGrio. “They have agreed to monitor and we are sharing all our investigative material with them as we conduct the investigation,” Chief Michael Yates told theGrio.

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kenmichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

You're off base - really off base. Wrong state - wrong conclusion.

This guy had a warrant out for him in MS for a parole violation - not a first time arrestee.

Text found on his phone indicate he had a gun with him earlier in the evening.

All witnesses (there were several there) - black and white - said the officers did not go near the police car between the time he was placed in the back seat and the time an officer opened the door and quickly called for help.

I don't think he intended to kill himself. I think his small gun wasn't found in a quick search (and of course he didn't tell them he had it because he's on parole) - and he was trying to hide it in the car before it was found in a search at the jail. I think in trying to get it tucked between the seats or under the seat, the gun went off.

Skip the BBC and HuffPost and look up the articles from the local Southern papers.

Yeah your right about the wrong state. i had to go back and re read it.

as far as "quick search " what is that ? a search is a search, and if they
searched him, and he still had a gun on him ( unless it was tucked up his keister )
they did not do there job properly. ( IMO any way, i am not a cop
and have never searched anybody... so maybe i am way off base )

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Kay King 12 years ago

I agree the search was sloppy - but accounts here say this was a small gun.

This is someone on parole and if he's carrying a gun it's doubtful he just sticks it in his pocket. It should have been found - but that doesn't make death a police conspiracy.

This gun is referred to as a "tiny pocket pistol" - probably not too hard to hide.

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John Durham 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

You're off base - really off base. Wrong state - ...

Arkanssippians!

They all look the same to me Kay, I cant tell the difference from one to the other...

(He says typing from Arkansas-).

@ Ken- A "Keister" for a gun holster? Lol, better control myself... not too tactful with humor these days... It gets me in trouble. For that reason Im not even TOUCHING Sal's post.

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Joe Mobley

12 years ago

Dang-it Kay... there you go with the facts again.

And I love it!!! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kay King

You're off base - really off base. Wrong state - wrong conclusion.

This guy had a warrant out for him in MS for a parole violation - not a first time arrestee.
The conviction wasn't for having a little marijuana - it was for dealing.

Text found on his phone indicated he had a gun with him earlier in the evening.

All witnesses (there were several there) - black and white - said the officers did not go near the police car between the time he was placed in the back seat and the time an officer opened the door and quickly called for help.

I don't think he intended to kill himself. I think his small gun wasn't found in a quick search (and of course he didn't tell them he had it because he's on parole) - and he was trying to hide it in the car before it was found in a search at the jail. I think in trying to get it tucked between the seats or under the seat, the gun went off.

Skip the BBC and HuffPost and look up the articles from the local Southern papers.

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Kay King 12 years ago

Let's face the truth -there's no liability, money to sue for or big blog headlines unless this story can be spun to appeal to those ready to believe the worst about any level of authority.

Cops cars didn't catch it on camera - why not?

Because parking the police cars trunk to trunk allows the cameras to cover a wider view of the scene instead of filming each other???

Why didn't they find the gun in a quick search?

One lb gun in a waistband would not be hard to drop down into underwear when you saw a search coming - and cops don't like to touch "junk".

This guy was wanted, illegally had a gun, was cruising around with 2 others he'd just met - in a quiet neighborhood at 10 pm with no lights on the truck. In the south, neighbors watch out for each other and children play outside freely till dark. Not unusual to call 911 if a strange truck with 3 men is cruising back and forth with lights off.

I don't buy that the cops were at fault for not protecting this guy from himself and his own actions. I expect his family also knew he was wanted and that he had a gun.
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HeySal

12 years ago

That makes a little more sense. The way I heard it was as if he shot himself in the head or something with cops standing right there. I still think it's strange that they wouldn't find it, though. How shoddy a search was it if they couldn't find something the size of a derringer and if he had cuffs on -- which organ did he manage to shoot to kill himself?

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dallas playboy

12 years ago

Of course it was murder.<<

So much for objectivity. I am just happy the dumb ass wacked himself and not the officers.

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Rick B

12 years ago

The video that the cops made showing how a handcuffed prisoner could shoot themselves did look very plausible but even if the guy did commit suicide the cops are still partially responsible for his death. They searched him twice and didn't find the gun? There's no excuse for that. What if the guy would have shot a civilian bystander at the police station? They either are guilty of murder or gross negligence.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Rick B

The video that the cops made showing how a handcuffed prisoner could shoot themselves did look very plausible but even if the guy did commit suicide the cops are still partially responsible for his death. They searched him twice and didn't find the gun? There's no excuse for that. What if the guy would have shot a civilian bystander at the police station? They either are guilty of murder or gross negligence.

That right there

I've been arrested in the past and been patted down and still made it into the cars with stuff I shouldn't of had on me.
Now my question is how did he do this with his hands handcuffed behind his back. Before you say he was able to move his hands to the front. Have someone handcuff you with your hands behind you and then sit in the back seat of a car with the doors closed and try to get your hands to your front. It can be done, but it's not easy and not something everybody can do. Also with the amount of moving around you'd have to do, it would be hard for a cop not to notice. Even if he did, try pointing a gun at your temple with your hands tied, it would be much easier to just put the barrel under your chin.
But with all that said, I have no doubt that cops have killed suspects already under arrest before. But I also have no doubt that any cop would not shot a suspect that was already in their car. That's just to easy to get caught right there. You wouldn't even need a forensic team. Any 12 year old could tell if the cop did it or if the guy did it.

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Rick B

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Have someone handcuff you with your hands behind you and then sit in the back seat of a car with the doors closed and try to get your hands to your front. It can be done, but it's not easy and not something everybody can do.

I was surprised too but the cops made a video showing someone in that very situation grabbing a pistol from inside his jeans and pointing it at his temple and it did look quite easy. I still say they're inept idiots for not finding the gun during two searches though.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Rick B

I was surprised too but the cops made a video showing someone in that very situation grabbing a pistol from inside his jeans and pointing it at his temple and it did look quite easy. I still say they're inept idiots for not finding the gun during two searches though.

Probably had the guy practice a bunch before they shot the video

I agree they weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer if they both missed it.
I can only think of two places you could hide a small gun on your person and not have it found during a pat down. Neither place is somewhere I'd want a loaded gun.

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Brandon Sheley

12 years ago

But the footage has done little to answer the Carter family's questions because while it shows their son being questioned and handcuffed, it does not include the moment the fatal shot was fired.

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