Norway Mass Killer Is Ruled Sane and Given 21 Years in Prison

12 years ago

Wow - we've got people in jail longer than that in the US for smoking pot. Of course - our prison system is a for profit corporation, too.

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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

No life in prison for him???

What does it take??

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taskemann

12 years ago

Send him to Texas I think

"We don't like scumbags like you in our town.. Cuff him and tighten him to the electric chair!"

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TimPhelan

12 years ago

That article says "at least". They can, and I would think/hope will, give him more if he is still considered a threat to society.

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bravo75 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That article says "at least". They can, and I would think will, give him more if he is still considered a threat to society.

This. I don't think they'll ever let him out.
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taskemann 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That article says "at least". They can, and I would think will, give him more if he is still considered a threat to society.

Yeah. But the scary part is that they can release him after he has served his sentence too..
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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That article says "at least". They can, and I would think/hope will, give him more if he is still considered a threat to society.

Yeah, they do the same sort of thing in the US ALSO! In the US, it works BOTH ways! EVEN serial murderers have been known to get out EARLY! Of course the opposite happens with SOME, like manson and Mark David chapman. Chapman was denied just YESTERDAY, by the way.

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ThomM

12 years ago

So killing 77 people is considered an act of a sane person, interesting.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Man sentenced to more than 4000 years in prison

A man in Texas was sentenced in 2008 to more than 4000 years in prison for sexually assaulting three teenage girls over two years.

A day after finding James Kevin Pope guilty, jurors today sentenced him to 40 life prison terms - one for each sex assault conviction - and 20 years for each of the three sexual performance of a child convictions.

Not that I am condoning sexual assault in any way, shape, or form - but these three teens are still alive...and this is actually what could be considered a ridiculous sentence by almost any comparison (imo)

But compare this to the above for the deaths of 77? Where does the punishment fit the crime?

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kenmichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Man sentenced to more than 4000 years in prison

A man in Texas was sentenced in 2008 to more than 4000 years in prison for sexually assaulting three teenage girls over two years.

A day after finding James Kevin Pope guilty, jurors today sentenced him to 40 life prison terms - one for each sex assault conviction - and 20 years for each of the three sexual performance of a child convictions.

Not that I am condoning sexual assault in any way, shape, or form - but these three teens are still alive...and this is actually what could be considered a ridiculous sentence by almost any comparison (imo)

But compare this to the above for the deaths of 77? Where does the punishment fit the crime?

whats the point in all that ? why not just say "life"

or is texas one of those states where "life" does not really mean
until death?

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GT

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

So killing 77 people is considered an act of a sane person, interesting.

If they are not classed as "sane" they cannot be charged with a criminal act (here in my part of Canada, anyway). Instead, they get sent to a "mental hospital" for observation, treatment ... and much earlier release back into society than if they were deemed "sane" and sent to prison.

This is my experience here in Canada. That is what happened to the person who brutally murdered my sister seven years ago. That person was put in the hospital for about five years. She is now running free again.

Not only that, during the time she was in the hospital, she was granted things called "day trips" or "weekend trips" to the city (paid for with my tax dollars), and she was allowed to request periodic extended "vacations" away from the hospital. I don't know if she took any of those vacations, but I have documentation indicating that she had that option.

I was not opposed to the judge's decision to declare this person "not sane." I believed she needed help and belonged in a hospital.

I do NOT agree with her release back into society. I tend to believe that people who commit offenses of this nature quite often re-offend ... whether they are considered to be "sane" or "not criminally responsible."

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ThomM 12 years ago

I understand that GT, and to some degree I agree with it.
But they could also be declared insane with no chance of recovery and put away for life.
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- MoneyMagnetMagnate 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ThomM
  
  I understand that GT, and to some degree I agree with it.
  But they could also be declared insane with no chance of recovery and put away for life.
  
  And the Death Penalty has been proven to be a sure cure for recidivism...to the ones who actually receive it.
  
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kenmichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

If they are not classed as "sane" they cannot be charged with a criminal act (here in my part of Canada, anyway). Instead, they get sent to a "mental hospital" for observation, treatment ... and much earlier release back into society than if they were deemed "sane" and sent to prison.

This is my experience here in Canada. That is what happened to the person who brutally murdered my sister seven years ago. That person was put in the hospital for about five years. She is now running free again.

Not only that, during the time she was in the hospital, she was granted things called "day trips" or "weekend trips" to the city (paid for with my tax dollars), and she was allowed to request periodic extended "vacations" away from the hospital. I don't know if she took any of those vacations, but I have documentation indicating that she had that option.

I was not opposed to the judge's decision to declare this person "not sane." I believed she needed help and belonged in a hospital.

I do NOT agree with her release back into society. I tend to believe that people who commit offenses of this nature quite often re-offend ... whether they are considered to be "sane" or "not criminally responsible."

GT

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When you found out who it was, was it hard for you to not seek
retribution ( ultimate, non sanctioned , out side of the law type )

I have often wondered what i would do, if someone i loved
was murdered.

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seasoned

12 years ago

TL,

I know a person, in denmark, whose boss was killed by someone, and THAT killer got 16 years ALSO! What did you expect? When I saw 21 years in the title, I was ACTUALLY going to mention how it was a LOT for a scandinavian nation! They are KNOWN for such things(short sentences and no death sentence) and Denmark and Norway are close in many ways.

BTW the jails she showed in Denmark looked a LOT nicer than US ones! They were like little college dorms. And NOT really little either! And they have conjugal visits in the US, so you can BET they have them in scandinavia! HECK, they probably get federal assistance for a little market that probably rivals any 7/11!

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Greedy

12 years ago

wow that is crazy

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12 years ago

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Daniel Evans 12 years ago

He'll be disemboweled in the first year.
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Can they at least make him do the 16 years in solitary? Or would that be considered too harsh...

Don't get me wrong, I really like Norway, in almost every other aspect, except in instances like this. The leniency, though commendable in spirit, is very astounding to other parts of the world where punishment is much more severe in cases of this type.

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Daniel Evans

12 years ago

Too easy.

Solitary is protection.

People who kill kids don't tend to go down too well in Prisons I've heard.

I'd sooner see him in the bullring.

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taskemann

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

Too easy.

Solitary is protection.

People who kill kids don't tend to go down too well in Prisons I've heard.

I'd sooner see him in the bullring.

When he have his own floor in the prison?

No other inmates will ever come close to Anders Breivik when he serve his sentence. He have his own floor with his own staff. And his prison cell is 3 regular prison cells that's merged togheter.

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Daniel Evans 12 years ago

Ah, yeah, I forgot it was the Hotel style Prison.
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

When he have his own floor in the prison?

No other inmates will ever come close to Anders Breivik when he serve his sentence. He have his own floor with his own staff. And his prison cell is 3 regular prison cells that's merged togheter.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: Does he get his own chef too? WTF? That's it - from now on, anybody I'm going to kill I buy a ticket to Norway first...they can consider it a going away present...and if caught, I can just consider it an extended vacation...

Btw: Does anyone have the address of the prison?

I bought Anders some bath towels for his master(race) suite as a 'housewarming gift'...

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

When he have his own floor in the prison?

No other inmates will ever come close to Anders Breivik when he serve his sentence. He have his own floor with his own staff. And his prison cell is 3 regular prison cells that's merged togheter.

WHY are they treating Anders so well?

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taskemann 12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

WHY are they treating Anders so well?

Steve

Don't ask me. I have no idea. :rolleyes:

Ask the stupid socialists. It's they who want to "protect" him so well even if he killed 77 of their own commie aspirants..
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

How about if they make him do 16 years standing on his head?

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wackiin

12 years ago

this is a crazy world where you kill someone you get very little time but you do other things at least in the usa you get more time then you would killing them.

I dont know about you but i would rather be robbed then killed .
I am waiting to see what this nut in Co gets for killing all those in the movies
I am sure he will get off pleading he is nuts which there is no way.

I know he is nuts for what he did but to much planning went into it to be nuts,

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KimW

12 years ago

This guy killed one person. Didn't get what he seserved but at least still in jail after 30 some years.
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

I don't really understand the need for his own floor, his own staff, and especially a prison cell that is 3 regular prison cells that's merged together...

I can understand the need to protect him from the general population, and visa-versa...(though I also agree with Daniel) but why all this "extra special consideration"??

If all prisons are like the one you showed as example awhile back, I've seen hotels way less posh than that...but why would he get 3 adjoining cells?

WHY is being treated with what even many I gather in Norway might consider "kid gloves"?

Maybe they won't let him get HBO...just basic cable - that'll fix him.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

I don't really understand the need for his own floor, his own staff, and especially a prison cell that is 3 regular prison cells that's merged together...

I can understand the need to protect him from the general population, and visa-versa...(though I also agree with Daniel) but why all this "extra special consideration"??

I imagine that people in Norway's prisons aren't THAT different from American ones. So WHY should the others need protection?

If all prisons are like the one you showed as example awhile back, I've seen hotels way less posh than that...but why would he get 3 adjoining cells?

I've BEEN in hotels that are equal with some of their prisons!

WHY is being treated with what even many I gather in Norway might consider "kid gloves"?

Maybe they won't let him get HBO...just basic cable - that'll fix him.

When I was in denmark, many didn't really get that many shows. And shows were generally in OTHER languages. I mean the NEWS was n danish, but many programs had subtitles. And some were subtitled in swedish or norwegian. They are SIMILAR, so they can understand one another, but STILL!....

Steve

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

"Criminals are not primarily wrongdoers to be punished, but broken people to be fixed." Why the Norwegian Justice aims to benefit even the offender. "University of Oslo professor Thomas Mathiesen, say it's better for society overall because it isn't about "revenge, but sober, dignified treatment."

A Different Justice: Why Anders Breivik Only Got 21 Years for Killing 77 People - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

"Criminals are not primarily wrongdoers to be punished, but broken people to be fixed." Why the Norwegian Justice aims to benefit even the offender. "University of Oslo professor Thomas Mathiesen, say it's better for society overall because it isn't about "revenge, but sober, dignified treatment."

A Different Justice: Why Anders Breivik Only Got 21 Years for Killing 77 People - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

WHAT do you do with a car that can't be changed and is leaking gas that might cause an explosion? What do PROFESSIONALS do with bombs they can't diffuse?

A person can no more surely be fixed than the above examples. In fact, it is LESS likely! And is it revenge, drunk, or specifically undignified, to treat that car or explosive that way? THAT is a HOT one! Up to now, people have said the opposite and even said that one would have to be ******"INSANE******** to keep them around.

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salevietasia

12 years ago

They can, and I would think/hope will, give him more if he is still considered a threat to society.

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Caleb Spilchen

12 years ago

If you read many of the articles, you'll notice they point out that if he is ruled as a danger to society he'll be forced to stay in jail for as long as they rule that - I'm assuming he'll probably die in Prison.

There is a "island" prison in Norway as well, although I doubt he'll be put there, it's more of a retreat then anything. The Norway criminal system is focused on rehabilitation not punishment... It sure wasn't ready to convict a guy who killed 77 of their own (The laws don't allow them to hand out stiff sentences).

In some ways though, if you look at how he was sentenced, and think about the kind of sentences they must give out for smaller crimes, do you think their system actually rehabilitates more then say sending someone to prison in the US?

Just food for thought.

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Bonita T Josephson

12 years ago

What a bulls**t kind of law. After Killing 77 people, you are given 16 years jail. How will this kind of law can decrease the number of crime? This kind of law in nothing but inviting people to commit crime.

What about those 77 people who were killed by him for doing nothing? What about their families?

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HeySal

12 years ago

Oh yeah - sane people always commit mass murder. WTF?

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Baadier Sydow

12 years ago

Unbelievable! My sister was actually on the island while on holiday with her ex-boyfriend. He was studying political science down in South Africa. They left the day before things went down. It was really scary for my family.

I can't believe this animal will see the light of the outside world again..