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12 years ago

Funny story, but yes most cities where the posh stay is normally deserted and they can spot a new face very quickly and think someone is up to some mischief.... Visualizing is powerful especially if you can test drive your dream or goal.....

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whateverpedia

12 years ago

It sounds like your dream is to be like him. Mansions, luxury cars, but paranoid as hell. Do you seriously believe all these things will make you happy? Or will they make you like the bloke you encountered?

Wealth hasn't made Gina Rinehart a nice or even a happy person.

To answer your question, though, I think you're nuts for lusting after the accroutrements of a lifestyle you don't understand.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

It sounds like your dream is to be like him. Mansions, luxury cars, but paranoid as hell. Do you seriously believe all these things will make you happy? Or will they make you like the bloke you encountered?

Wealth hasn't made Gina Rinehart a nice or even a happy person.

To answer your question, though, I think you're nuts for lusting after the accroutrements of a lifestyle you don't understand.

Well, on one level most people in this forum are presumably trying to improve their financial situations. But I agree about going to such extremes.

It's kind of sad the way many wealthy people live today. That kind of mentality epitomizes why I would never want to live in a gated community or wealthy suburban area of the kind the OP mentioned. To live in a perpetual state of fear and suspicion regarding strangers is not my definition of success.

On the other hand, there are ways to enjoy financial abundance without going overboard. Being comfortable, but remaining low key, rather than acquiring fancy Mcmansions would be my preference.

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salegurus

12 years ago

Don't blame the guy.
We live in a dangerous world. If i saw a guy just hanging out in my neighborhood for no apparent reason i would probably have done the same thing or called the Sheriffs office.

Really, you hang around rich neighborhoods to "visualize" your goals, and then complain when residents don't invite you into their homes with open arms?
I'm sure there must be better ways to motivate yourself...

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seasoned

12 years ago

Give me a break. You WEREN'T visualizing, unless you are INSANE! You were snooping or spying.

Seeing such a thing means NOTHING! And you don't know ANYTHING about him. He may have been a guard, a friend protecting a concerned person, or feeling that you were casing the place.

They have more of a right to be there than you. Would you want someone doing that with YOU?

Besides, is that the only reason you want to get rich? To have something they have now?

As for the haves versus the have nots, when the economy falters, it affects many, including some rich people. HECK, if inflation goes up 100%, as some feel it will, it will cut the value of EVERY rich persons net worth in HALF!!!!!

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Kay King 12 years ago

l just said l come here to affirm my goals, (or convince myself that it is possible to create wealth)

This has nothing to do with gaps getting wider - but with neighborhood protection. Someone who isn't a recognized person is sitting staring at homes - and that is (and should be) suspicious. I don't live in a wealthy neighborhood but if you parked on my street for more than 10 minutes there's a good chance someone would ask you why.

When he approached you - instead of complimenting or asking about about the lovely neighborhood, you talked about "my affirmations". To a stranger, that's just odd behavior. He followed you out to make sure you were leaving because you made yourself look suspicious.

You call the man a "twit" - but he's living the lifestyle you want in one of those homes you are dreaming of.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

It sounds like your dream is to be like him. Mansions, luxury cars, but paranoid as hell. Do you seriously believe all these things will make you happy? Or will they make you like the bloke you encountered?

Wealth hasn't made Gina Rinehart a nice or even a happy person.

To answer your question, though, I think you're nuts for lusting after the accroutrements of a lifestyle you don't understand.

Who are you to be judgmental about what his dreams may or may not be?

Would have been better had you answered the question and left the insults out. People have their own reasons for desiring wealth, and what they are is none of your concern.

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Give me a break. You WEREN'T visualizing, unless you are INSANE! You were snooping or spying.
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That's an awfully broad, almost certainly untrue, statement to be making.

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I don't think that I would, given the times, park for any period of time in a neighborhood that I don't live in. That's just asking for trouble.

For the OP, to do visualization of that kind effectively, you need to be inside the houses. Look for open houses (Realtor-sponsored open houses, not unlocked houses

) and take a tour. Find a 'Street of Dreams' and go through the houses.

Doing as you did reinforces in your mind that you are on the outside of where you want to be, which isn't really what you're aiming for.

Building wealth is certainly possible. You make it probable - or improbable - in your own life by the thoughts you hold, which in turn drive you to take the actions necessary to make it reality.

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seasoned

12 years ago

BTW for the record. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood, and someone THERE might be concerned ALSO! HECK, our mailman might question you. BTW he drives a regular car, and does NOT look like a mailman.

WHO has to drive there to visualize?

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12 years ago

And this is exactly why getting rich is not the reason I work. Wealth changes people.

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madison_avenue

12 years ago

This must have been a very quiet suburb. Where I work in Mayfair, London, people sit in cars all the time, and no one bats an eyelid. And some of these properties are worth £10 millions.

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Kay King 12 years ago

And this is exactly why getting rich is not the reason I work. Wealth changes people.

That's an odd conclusion. What is wrong with questioning a stranger in a neighborhood when he clearly doesn't live/belong there?

He sat in his car for 30 minutes before approached - that's not normal behavior in a quiet, exclusive neighborhood...or any neighborhood, for that matter. It's what a thief casing the area or watching patterns might do - or a child molester might do.
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tagiscom

12 years ago

The fact that you are concentrating on wealth visualization is AWESOME. Delete the bad brain programs

Thanks, and that is why l drove to another rich street for another 15 minutes; a bit like someone who gets flung off a horse and gets back on again!

And no, l won't let that nut, mess up my goals, (but to be honest it is a bit of visualization, and more of thinking out some business ideas in a nice location, (well mainly nice, :rolleyes

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It sounds like your dream is to be like him. Mansions, luxury cars, but paranoid as hell. Do you seriously believe all these things will make you happy? Or will they make you like the bloke you encountered?

Wealth hasn't made Gina Rinehart a nice or even a happy person.

To answer your question, though, I think you're nuts for lusting after the accroutrements of a lifestyle you don't understand.

Ouch!!! That is a bit harsh, l do understand! I have been on 2 short luxury holidays, to know that wealth is hollow. Wealth is more choices and options, but it doesn't bring lasting happiness.

Being in a 3 star hotel with friends, instead of a 6 star hotel alone, is preferable!

And no, l wouldn't act or become an A***H*** because my mansion got robbed. I may have asked someone " is there anything wrong" and kept an eye on this car, and after an hour or two, rang the Police, but what he did, is way over the line!

He seemed like a nice person and for some reason, when he got some petrol of smokes, (there were two petrol stations up the road) or just decided to come back, Mr Jeckyl, becomes Mr Hide???

You have a good point about Gina Rinehart, but it all depends on what l come up with online and whether anyone could do it or it takes years of effort?

I am hoping that what l figure out is replicatable by my family and friends, so there will be no bickering.

Really, you hang around rich neighborhoods to "visualize" your goals, and then complain when residents don't invite you into their homes with open arms?

Well as stated above he went overboard!

Give me a break. You WEREN'T visualizing, unless you are INSANE! You were snooping or spying.

Hmmmm. well l suppose that means that Jim Carrey, is insane when he visualized a check for 3 million and got that a few years later!!!!

But l do agree he probably isn't immune from the economic tormoul, although terrorizing someone for parking near your driveway isn't justified!

To a stranger, that's just odd behavior. He followed you out to make sure you were leaving because you made yourself look suspicious.

You call the man a "twit" - but he's living the lifestyle you want in one of those homes you are dreaming of.

Well, since he was rich l assumed that he would understand, (l have seen others do the same thing in this area over the years). As for him being a twit and living where l want, well; Idiots inherit money all the time or win it, etc. Jena Reinhart is a good example, totally out of touch with the middle class! So l like what he has, but l certainly don't want to be like him!!!

This must have been a very quiet suburb. Where I work in Mayfair, London, people sit in cars all the time, and no one bats an eyelid. And some of these properties are worth £10 millions

There were a handful of cars here and there, but overall quiet, and l don't go there that often, just every couple of months at most!

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seasoned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And no, l wouldn't act or become an A***H***

But you DID!

Hmmmm. well l suppose that means that Jim Carrey, is insane when he visualized a check for 3 million and got that a few years later!!!!

So you are saying that Jim Carrey found a millionare, and stared at a 3 million dollar check he had? I DOUBT IT!

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

I wouldn't let it get to you too much...he was just being paranoid - he didn't think you were visualizing your goals, he thought you were visualizing HIS goals, and you were casiing the neighborhood...and you wanted to relieve him of some of his 'precious'

Goals are dreams that become reality...

Btw: just to clarify the Jim Carrey story, yes - that was his visualization tool...

“I wrote myself a check for ten million dollars for acting services rendered and dated it Thanksgiving 1995. I put it in my wallet and it deteriorated. And then, just before Thanksgiving 1995, I found out I was going to make ten million dollars for Dumb & Dumber. I put that check in the casket with my father because it was our dream together.”
Jim Carrey

There was a kid (Anthony Robles http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/...eatured|recent) on the Jay Leno show last night who just wrote a book - he is a champion wrestler - and he only has ONE leg - they told him he would never be a good wrestler - he wrote "State Champ - you can do it" on a post-it note, and visualized winning every night before he went to bed, and carried it in his wallet. It worked. He is now a State Champion Wrestler. 96-0 his last 2 years. (which he modestly referred to as, a 'pretty good' record)

I remember a story from motivational speaker Tom Hopkins many years ago, that cracked me up: He kept visualizing a Lear Jet (lofty goal / pun intended) as his 10 year goal...he set little goals to get there, and he achieved it...anyway, 10 years later, here he is sitting on the maiden voyage of his plane, admiring his goal, and the pilot comes up, and hands him a huge bill for fuel - just to fly from Chicago to Houston...

He laughed and said, "the point is, I reached my goal...but I didn't keep it very long!"

Setting the goal and achieving it is the fun part - but when you get there, you realize that is just a flag you plant, and you need to go look for new territory...and set a new course.

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MissTerraK 12 years ago

Shane,

There is nothing wrong with having goals and visualizing them at all. Perhaps your methods were a little lacking.

With all of the news stories lately about vigilante acts and of people taking the law into their own hands, you are actually fortunate that the dude only chased you and harassed you with headlights on high beam.

What if he owned a gun and wasn't afraid to use it while thinking he was protecting himself, his family and his property?

Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they are sane, nor that they are honest and upright people.

Perhaps you'd have better luck following Steve's advice.

Look for open houses (Realtor-sponsored open houses, not unlocked houses ) and take a tour. Find a 'Street of Dreams' and go through the houses.

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  He seemed like a nice person and for some reason,
  
  He probably is a nice person. He approached you after 30 minutes - not immediately. He was polite in asking why you were there - and you gave him a story about motivation and visualization that probably sounded a bit wacky to him coming from a stranger. He wasn't as nice the second time - because you ignored his friendly advice to move on the first time he stopped.
  
  If you truly do not understand this incident - you aren't visualizing the "rich life" well. You are looking at the "stuff" instead of the lifestyle.
  
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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

I wouldn't let it get to you too much...he was just being paranoid - he didn't think you were visualizing your goals, he thought you were visualizing HIS goals, and you were casiing the neighborhood...and you wanted to relieve him of some of his 'precious'

Goals are dreams that become reality...

Btw: just to clarify the Jim Carrey story, yes - that was his visualization tool...

There was a kid on the Jay Leno show last night who just wrote a book - he is a champion wrestler - and he only has ONE leg - they told him he would never be a good wrestler - he wrote "State Champ - you can do it" on a post-it note, and visualized winning every night before he went to bed, and carried it in his wallet. It worked. He is now a State Champion Wrestler. 96-0 his last year. (which he modestly referred to as, a 'pretty good' record)

I remember a story from motivational speaker Tom Hopkins many years ago, that cracked me up, he kept visualizing a Lear Jet (lofty goal / pun intended) as his 10 year goal...he set lettle goals to get there, and he achieved it anyway, 10 years later, here he is sitting on the maiden voyage of his plane, admiring his goal, and the pilot comes up, and hands him a huge bill for fuel - just to fly from Chicago to Houston...

He laughed and said, "the point is, I reached my goal...but I didn't keep it very long!"

Setting the goal and achieving it is the fun part - but when you get there, you realize that is just a flag you plant, and you need to go look for new territory...and set a new course.

Writing YOURSELF a check is VERY different! HECK, he could have looked at pictures or some such, and nobody would know or care! But to stay there watching people? Even in nice neighborhoods people have been harassed, sued, or thrown in jail for that. In some poor neighborhoods, some have been killed. They DO have an expectation of privacy and safety.

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tagiscom

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And no, l wouldn't act or become an A***H***
But you DID!

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Hmmmm. well l suppose that means that Jim Carrey, is insane when he visualized a check for 3 million and got that a few years later!!!!
So you are saying that Jim Carrey found a millionare, and stared at a 3 million dollar check he had? I DOUBT IT!

Steve

No, l am saying that visualizing isn't BS!!!!

And sitting in a car for half an hour, isn't my idea of being an a***H****. What he did, defines that!!!!

Shane

My car was pointing away from his drive way anyway, l was watching some houses, with no one around, in half light!!!

One of his neighbours is selling up, with another one close by. So l suppose he is just P**** about not having as much $$$ as he is used to???

Still doesn't justify, bullying behavior!

Shane

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12 years ago

Were you by any chance wearing a hoodie?

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tagiscom 12 years ago

Hi, Terra, hmmmm, thankfully in AU, unless he got it from the black market, guns aren't readily available!

Although if he got out of his car with a baseball bat l would have done a runner!

For the OP, to do visualization of that kind effectively, you need to be inside the houses.

Yeah, good advise Steve, one of the houses had a for sale sign out front, so l did take a look, more or less! :rolleyes:

Were you by any chance wearing a hoodie?

No, it was almost dark, when he pulled up, l could barely see him, etc; but no, don't go for hoodies, unless l am planning to knock over a liquor outlet!!! LOL.

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Robert G Williams 12 years ago

Try Doing that in the UK and you end in a fight theses days, times change and so does wealth, and people change with it.
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travlinguy

12 years ago

You should have told him you were an undercover cop assigned to watch the neighborhood.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

Put yourself in the other fellow's shoes. He can't see your intentions, and he can't know if your "story" was true. I hope my neighbors are watching my back like that.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And no, l won't let that nut, mess up my goals

No need to let him mess up your goals, you're doing a good job of that yourself. Look at all the time you've wasted thinking about him and talking about him. That's time you could have spent working toward your goals, instead of complaining about some stranger in a neighborhood you aspire to live in.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you're focusing on all the wrong things. Visualization is fine, but action is the fuel that drives the engine of results.

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Well, since he was rich l assumed that he would understand...

Projecting your assumptions on someone else's reality is almost always a mistake. Luckily for you it wasn't a damaging mistake ... this time.

Originally Posted by LarryC

It's kind of sad the way many wealthy people live today. That kind of mentality epitomizes why I would never want to live in a gated community or wealthy suburban area of the kind the OP mentioned. To live in a perpetual state of fear and suspicion regarding strangers is not my definition of success.

What makes you think the man lives in a perpetual state of fear? If you ask me, he wouldn't have confronted Shane if he was afraid. Caution and concern do not necessarily equate to fear.

As for it being "sad the way many wealthy people live" ...you make that judgment based on what, your preconceptions from the outside looking in?

Be careful in your judgments of the wealthy. Your subconscious may keep wealth from you to keep you aligned with your beliefs.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Put yourself in the other fellow's shoes. He can't see your intentions, and he can't know if your "story" was true. I hope my neighbors are watching my back like that.

I once had a neighbor, that I did NOT know, knock on my door, a while after I got home from the hospital after my operation.

WHY? She saw my car in my driveway, but didn't see it move for four days and wanted to make sure I was ok. ****NICE****! Recently, her dog and her husband saved me from a nasty decision. I was toying with sleeping in my garage all night.

But you have a point. Such neighbors can actually be GOOD. I may seem a little strang, and I may be the only single guy there, but they know me and we are nice to one another. The mail man even found my old pattern, and knew when I would be there.

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Kay King 12 years ago

There's more to it - looking at an end result of a big house and car doesn't tell you anything about what struggles the person went through to get where he is today.

You don't know how many 16 hr days someone worked or what risks they took that led them eventually to a ritzy neighborhood.
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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Recently, her dog and her husband saved me from a nasty decision. I was toying with sleeping in my garage all night.

Steve, does that mean what it sounds like? I sure hope not.

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tagiscom

12 years ago

This is a regular pasttime for you? That's just odd.

I might be able to grasp driving through rich neighborhoods as a form of motivation - but not just sitting and staring at homes and cars, etc.

If you've been doing this for years - and still need it - I'd say it's not working well as a motivational tool.:rolleyes:

Hmmm, no more odder than going to the beach and sitting there considering options, etc.

From what l heard Charlie Chaplin, went to the beach for hours on end, and didn't do too badly for himself.

Maybe you are right about the motivational tool bit, hard to tell. But as l mentioned before every couple of months to 6 months or so, l do this.

It's easier to think things through in pleasant surroundings!

Put yourself in the other fellow's shoes. He can't see your intentions, and he can't know if your "story" was true. I hope my neighbors are watching my back like that.

Yeah, that is true, but he stepped over the line. If a neighbor told me that he tailgated someone out of the neighborhood, because he was sitting in a car, and thinking through some financial problems, l would tell him to stop it!

It's overkill!

No need to let him mess up your goals, you're doing a good job of that yourself. Look at all the time you've wasted thinking about him and talking about him. That's time you could have spent working toward your goals, instead of complaining about some stranger in a neighborhood you aspire to live in.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you're focusing on all the wrong things. Visualization is fine, but action is the fuel that drives the engine of results.

Don't worry, l don't waste much time on the Forums, and usually spent up to 10 hours taking action. But action needs consideration as well. It's silly to work like crazy on something that is showing no-practical results. But if l take time out, then l might save some time and find a better approach!

Projecting your assumptions on someone else's reality is almost always a mistake. Luckily for you it wasn't a damaging mistake ... this time.

True! I assumed that all wealthy people visualized their goals? But maybe not! Or they are not aware?

There's more to it - looking at an end result of a big house and car doesn't tell you anything about what struggles the person went through to get where he is today.

You don't know how many 16 hr days someone worked or what risks they took that led them eventually to a ritzy neighborhood.

Yep, that is true, Also don't know how many times he has been robbed??? :rolleyes:

But it is also true that some people are just a***h***! A long time ago, l was walking past a new car, and was paying attention to the design of the rear headlights, (nice design) and the guy in the car, said to me, "keep walking, a***h*** !"

Yeah, l know, he could have had his car scratched by kids, a month ago, etc, but does that justify this!!!

Negative events in peoples lives, seems to make some people, overly protective, or negative about their possessions!

If that person just looked my way with a negative look, then fair enough, but saying this, when he hasn't got a clue, why l took a good look at the back of his car, is weird!

It's a bit like saying that if l go out in public with a thousand dollars in my wallet, that everyone l meet will rob me, and l should tell everyone l meet to F***O***!

But of course since l was robbed a few months ago, and this is the last thousand l have in the world, it totally justifies my behavior!!!!!

It doesn't!

Good manners, common sense and not overreacting, is the case here!

Maybe some of you are right, if owning expensive possessions, and having them get damaged or stolen, will turn me into a nutter, l may have to think twice!!!

If l had a $100,000 dollar BMW, and l found thick scratch marks down the side, l, if l was waiting for someone, (when it was fixed) and some kids were looking at my car, (because unknown to me they wanted to get one) l might snap.

But at least later on l would realize that l probably over-reacted!

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whateverpedia 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

If l had a $100,000 dollar BMW

Interestingly, here's a story about someone who just bought a $130,000 BMW.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Hmmm, no more odder than going to the beach and sitting there considering options, etc.

From what l heard Charlie Chaplin, went to the beach for hours on end, and didn't do too badly for himself.

Maybe you are right about the motivational tool bit, hard to tell. But as l mentioned before every couple of months to 6 months or so, l do this.

It's easier to think things through in pleasant surroundings!

WOW, I would love to go to your home. If I saw a $100 bill lying around I could honestly pick it up and say I found it. After all, if I were in the desert and did the same, nobody would care!

Yeah, that is true, but he stepped over the line. If a neighbor told me that he tailgated someone out of the neighborhood, because he was sitting in a car, and thinking through some financial problems, l would tell him to stop it!

It's overkill!

He doesn't know if you were telling the truth. And it DOES sound NUTS!

True! I assumed that all wealthy people visualized their goals? But maybe not! Or they are not aware?

The probably have, but you aren't talking about that! HERE, LOOK IT UP: visualize - definition of visualize by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Steve, does that mean what it sounds like? I sure hope not.

What an ODD thing to say! I was locked out and considered sleeping in the garage ALONE. The dog found me, and I spoke with her husband that got me the contact to get back in.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

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What an ODD thing to say! I was locked out and considered sleeping in the garage ALONE. The dog found me, and I spoke with her husband that got me the contact to get back in.

Steve

Whew! I'm glad to hear that's all it was. Steve, you said, "Recently, her dog and her husband saved me from a nasty decision. I was toying with sleeping in my garage all night."

A nasty decision ... sleeping in the garage ... it sounded like a veiled reference to suicide by running a car in the garage until the big sleep comes.

My "odd" comment was borne of concern for you. I'm very glad you didn't mean what it sounded like to me. I know someone who did that when I was a kid. Your comment, innocent as you meant it, was too close to the language used back then to describe what happened after the fact.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Whew! I'm glad to hear that's all it was. Steve, you said, "Recently, her dog and her husband saved me from a nasty decision. I was toying with sleeping in my garage all night."

A nasty decision ... sleeping in the garage ... it sounded like a veiled reference to suicide by running a car in the garage until the big sleep comes.

My "odd" comment was borne of concern for you. I'm very glad you didn't mean what it sounded like to me. I know someone who did that when I was a kid. Your comment, innocent as you meant it, was too close to the language used back then to describe what happened after the fact.

WOW, I thought you were making a lewd joke. HECK NO! My car lets out a little too much gas, and I can't even stand that. AND, if I were going to commit suicide, that is one way I would NEVER consider. Chances are I would wake up a vegetable in the hospital or an ambulance. NO THANKS! BESIDES, committing suicide because you can't get in your house!?!?!?

What happened was that I forgot something and, for one of the FEW times in the past couple decades, I forgot my keys. I had recently rekeyed my locks. It was late at night, and people were asleep. I didn't want to wake them. The dog saw me and ran down as if to say "HEY BUDDY, we're back!"! That attracted my attention to the neighbors that just got back from a wedding.

Thanks for the concern though.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Put yourself in the other fellow's shoes. He can't see your intentions, and he can't know if your "story" was true. I hope my neighbors are watching my back like that.

No need to let him mess up your goals, you're doing a good job of that yourself. Look at all the time you've wasted thinking about him and talking about him. That's time you could have spent working toward your goals, instead of complaining about some stranger in a neighborhood you aspire to live in.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you're focusing on all the wrong things. Visualization is fine, but action is the fuel that drives the engine of results.

Projecting your assumptions on someone else's reality is almost always a mistake. Luckily for you it wasn't a damaging mistake ... this time.

What makes you think the man lives in a perpetual state of fear? If you ask me, he wouldn't have confronted Shane if he was afraid. Caution and concern do not necessarily equate to fear.

As for it being "sad the way many wealthy people live" ...you make that judgment based on what, your preconceptions from the outside looking in?

Be careful in your judgments of the wealthy. Your subconscious may keep wealth from you to keep you aligned with your beliefs.

I don't know if fear is the best word. Maybe paranoia, hypervigilance or hostility. I think chasing after someone goes beyond caution and concern.

It goes without saying that I'm making judgments from the outside looking in. That's all we can do when commenting on a situation that we didn't personally experience. I understand fears about intruders, burglars, pervs or whatever, but I do think it's sad when people live in a way that causes them to suspect the worst in every stranger. Again, not the way I would choose to live, but obviously not everyone sees it the same way.

As long as we're talking about visualizing, this reminds me a little of a scene in The Secret, where the guy who is so worried about making sure his bicycle is locked up ends up getting it stolen.

That said, I wouldn't choose this method for visualizing my goals, as a reaction like this wouldn't surprise me.

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Kay King 12 years ago

Hmmm, no more odder than going to the beach and sitting there considering options, etc.

Yes, it is odder. At the beach you are staring at part of nature that belongs to all (unless you try to use the private beach behind a big house). You are visualizing in your own mind about your own life. It's not intrusive. Sitting and starting at someone's house is not the same thing...it's spooky.

I assumed that all wealthy people visualized their goals? But maybe not! Or they are not aware?

Those people are not a "they" - but individuals who each have their own story/business/job/family/goals/problems.

Aware of what? Your assumptions? They are the ones who are rich so apparently they did something right along the way.

Good manners, common sense and not overreacting, is the case here!

Good manners means you don't intrude on the space of others.

Common sense means you know when you are being intrusive.

Over-reacting is assuming the person who confronted you is afraid when he's probably only irritated by a stranger parked for no reason on his street.

I don't live in a wealthy neighborhood but it's a very private, quiet street. If you parked here for 30 minutes and sat in your car watching, it's likely someone would call the Sheriff and a police car would be pulling up to see what you were up to.

If you said you were getting motivation, they'd tell you to motivate somewhere else.

l was walking past a new car, and was paying attention to the design of the rear headlights, (nice design) and the guy in the car, said to me, "keep walking, a***h*** !"

Some people are jerks - but added to your other comments I have to wonder how closely you were inspecting the car and whether you have any respect for personal space of others.
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12 years ago

I was talking about the idea of casing his neighborhood and coming here and saying he is nuts.

None of us even have an idea of what he and others were through, and he can't know what you are doing. I, for one, don't blame him. Ten again, I don't stare, or park near peoples places for long periods, etc... Seriously, get a camera. They are cheap!

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12 years ago

I was talking about the idea of casing his neighborhood and coming here and saying he is nuts.

None of us even have an idea of what he and others were through, and he can't know what you are doing. I, for one, don't blame him. Ten again, I don't stare, or park near peoples places for long periods, etc... Seriously, get a camera. They are cheap!

Steve

Ok, fair enough! I thought about it today and have had someone drive around every 10 minutes or so, until l got sick of the headlights flashing in my eyes and left, in the same area over the years.

So, l suspect that when this person sees a parked car near his driveway he suspects the worst, and assumes that l am planning to rob him?

He must have been robbed years ago, and has been a overprotecting fruit cake ever since!!!

I have seen this happen before, someone gets their car burgled and acts like an over protecting nut, if you leave anything in the car!!!

If l left a mobile phone, etc l would expect to have a smashed in window, but an empty shopping bag!!!

I will keep away from that area for a while, and find somewhere else with a nice house and no loony's around, when l feel the need to be inspired!

Or use Google Street!!! :rolleyes:

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Kay King 12 years ago

have had someone drive around every 10 minutes or so, until l got sick of the headlights flashing in my eyes and left, in the same area over the years.

This is a regular pasttime for you? That's just odd.

I might be able to grasp driving through rich neighborhoods as a form of motivation - but not just sitting and staring at homes and cars, etc.

If you've been doing this for years - and still need it - I'd say it's not working well as a motivational tool.:rolleyes:
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12 years ago

Hopefully you'll look back at this incident one day and laugh, perhaps as your looking out of the window of your mansion at some dodgy car hanging around outside at dusk!

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12 years ago

ha wow that's kind of funny but not. I guess I can see how it would look shady and everybody has to protect their own fort haha

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12 years ago

I find your timing to be very unsettling - you sit there for 45 minutes at dusk? If you had of taken his advice and moved on, there wouldn't have been a problem.

BTW, all those beautiful mansions are probably equipped with state of the art security systems. That also includes video cameras.

Keep in mind, this guy probably has your licence plate number, so if there are any problems in the future, don't be surprised if the police come knocking on your door. You just may get to visualize the inside of the cop shop while answering their questions!

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12 years ago

Hopefully you'll look back at this incident one day and laugh, perhaps as your looking out of the window of your mansion at some dodgy car hanging around outside at dusk!

Yeah, l hope so! Least l won't tailgate him!!! :rolleyes:

And tailgating in AU is illegal, so if some police were around, he would have been worse off!

Interestingly, here's a story about someone who just bought a $130,000 BMW.

Crap, l might have to buy two!!! :rolleyes:

He doesn't know if you were telling the truth. And it DOES sound NUTS!

Fair enough, but assuming the worst in a stranger and tailgating him, is more nuts!!!

That said, I wouldn't choose this method for visualizing my goals, as a reaction like this wouldn't surprise me.

Yep, good advise! Apparently others have done the same thing as me, because occasionally, someone else was parked there!

And on rare occasions l had someone drive around the roundabout, so l would catch his headlights.

Apparently he has been trying to get rid of people parking there for years, and for some reason, has gotten a bit more persistent, (if that is the best word)!

If he does this with someone more aggressive it could get ugly, his choice!

Good manners means you don't intrude on the space of others.

I wasn't, l was parked near someone else's driveway, and l wasn't staring into someone else's house, just a house l admire surrounded by a large wall, where they couldn't see me unless they really tried!

Some people are jerks - but added to your other comments I have to wonder how closely you were inspecting the car and whether you have any respect for personal space of others.

I was quickly walking past his car, and as l was walking l looked at his rear light, at least 2 or 3 meters away! This example is a clear case of him being in the wrong!!!

I find your timing to be very unsettling - you sit there for 45 minutes at dusk? If you had of taken his advice and moved on, there wouldn't have been a problem.

I was going to, in another couple of minutes, l assumed that he was driving away from his house to do something, not to wait and come back, etc...

Keep in mind, this guy probably has your licence plate number, so if there are any problems in the future, don't be surprised if the police come knocking on your door. You just may get to visualize the inside of the cop shop while answering their questions!

Great, l could have charged him with tailgating!!!! :rolleyes:

Here is the view, as you can see l am not looking into someone house, or anything weird like that!!!

And virtually all the houses have long driveways, including the tailgater!

Although the white house is the type of house l would like to have!!!

His driveway is one of the ones at the back of me! And before anyone askes l was off the road on the right hand side. Not in anyone's way!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yeah, l hope so! Least l won't tailgate him!!! :rolleyes:

And tailgating in AU is illegal, so if some police were around, he would have been worse off!

Actually, it usually ISN'T! You have no standing in the neighborhood and are TRESPASSING! Sometimes people get sued and THROWN IN JAIL for harassment and end up with restraining orders promissing the same in the future!

Yep, good advise! Apparently others have done the same thing as me, because occasionally, someone else was parked there!

How do YOU know? Maybe it was a relative or a neighbor or a friend.

If he does this with someone more aggressive it could get ugly, his choice!

And he would have standing, and possibly EVIDENCE!

I wasn't, l was parked near someone else's driveway, and l wasn't staring into someone else's house, just a house l admire surrounded by a large wall, where they couldn't see me unless they really tried!

AGAIN, not that it matters, but HOW DO YOU KNOW?

I was quickly walking past his car, and as l was walking l looked at his rear light, at least 2 or 3 meters away! This example is a clear case of him being in the wrong!!!

I was going to, in another couple of minutes, l assumed that he was driving away from his house to do something, not to wait and come back, etc...

You certainly DO seem to think you know a lot. BTW those actions can endanger your business, and possibly your job.

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12 years ago

What the OP did is what criminals do when casing houses. In our neighborhood we call the police about people who hang out staring at houses when they don't live there. You could have saved yourself the trouble and visit a real estate website that uses 360 videos of the inside and outside of houses. There's no need to act suspiciously and get into trouble.

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12 years ago

@OP - As innocent as you may think the situation is, you need to look at this from their perspective. It leaves the residents of the street with an uneasy feeling. They don't know what your intentions are. Even if you told them, they don't know you so why would they believe you? All they know, is you're an unfamiliar person just sitting on their street looking suspicious to them.

Where I live, it's a very quiet area and it's not the norm for people to come and just sit on the street in their car just looking around. If that were to happen, the way the world is today, I can guarantee that same thing that happened to you would happen to that person or the cops would be called.

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12 years ago

Wow. This has been an interesting read. To the OP - as a fellow Aussie I can tell you I would be as suspicious of you as this guy was. He followed you to make sure you left. I would too. He would not have been in trouble for "tail-gaiting" in this situation - that's not what the laws were intended for. But YOU might have been in trouble (legally) for a number of reasons.

But what disturbs me most is how many names you have called this annonymous man throughout this thread. Your insults of him and of the people who live in that suburb don't really give a good impression of you.

Sorry - but if you want to "visualise" stuff maybe start by visualising being a more understanding and wiser person. And please don't go parking in people's streets staring at their houses. It's creepy.

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12 years ago

Ironically, if you really were a bad figure, he then went on to antagonize you greatly by following you down the street. He could have just watched from afar to make sure everything was okay and you left, but instead he went and got up in your grills!

And what if you were crazy? That would mean he just tailgated a crazy guy who knows where he lives and what car he drives.. I think from his perspective he should have just stayed behind the scenes and if he really thought there was a problem, called the cops.

Yeah I guess from now on just look up luxury houses instead of visiting them lol

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tagiscom

12 years ago

Actually, it usually ISN'T! You have no standing in the neighborhood and are TRESPASSING! Sometimes people get sued and THROWN IN JAIL for harassment and end up with restraining orders promissing the same in the future!

Tresspassing on a public street!!!!

Actually it IS!!! Tailgating is Illegal!!!!! Don't believe me, then click on this link...Victorian Traffic Law Forum • View topic - Booked for tailgating

Shane :rolleyes:

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Kay King

12 years ago

You posted a photo of a cul-de-sac - people expect privacy on streets like that. You post a photo of a street that is two lane and has no designated parking that one can see. Going back to that neighborhood is asking for trouble - but your choice.

You can argue all you want - but no one agrees with you. You are intruding where you are not wanted and as mentioned above - you could have better images including interiors of such homes by looking online.

If you get HGTV in Australia - there are several shows that tour million dollar homes in detail.

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OP, you could have seen all what you wanted to see online, in glossy magazines, and in car showrooms (where they'd even let you sit in a top of the range).

If you loiter around rich folks homes (or anyone else's for that matter), you're obviously going to arouse suspicion. Not just from the burglary, theft, isolated elderly, and child snatching aspects, but also from your own family who would be thinking you should be out there doing the work, not looking at the results it could achieve.
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12 years ago

it's funny how people (like this man you're talking about) create their own prisons through their own fear. quite sad tbh

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Kay King 12 years ago

create their own prisons through their own fear

or do they perhaps create their own sanctuaries through their wealth?
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Bud Jameson

12 years ago

It's probably best if, next time, you wear camouflage or a ninja suit - that way, even if someone does somehow manage to see you, they'll be too afraid to harass you.

Or you might try visualizing being invisible while you're loitering - i mean visualizing - about all that wealth.

In all seriousness, I think there are probably better ways to end up living in a fancy house than sitting in your car staring at one.

Just sayin'...

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12 years ago

Something similar happened to my sister and I years ago. We had her two boys with us, about 8 & 9 and we just wanted to show them what they could have if they stayed in school, went to college. I wouldn't say that it was a rich area, but a very nice one. We just wanted to show them that with hard work, this could be theirs. We weren't even parked, we were just driving them around, from block to block, admiring the homes and then this cop started tailing us until we uncomfortably left.

So was the cop tailgating you!

Shane

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by LBB

it's funny how people (like this man you're talking about) create their own prisons through their own fear. quite sad tbh

What's funny is that you imagine this man has created his own prison, when the reality is ... you know absolutely nothing about him.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

What's funny is that you imagine this man has created his own prison when you know absolutely nothing about him.

More than that, shane is HARASSING them, etc... HE is trying to make it a prison. A lot of people that live around me have lives I kind of envy. I bet they would hate me a LOT if I suddenly parked in front of their homes, and stared at them, etc....

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12 years ago

You LUST after big houses SO much that you case them? INCREDIBLE! Get a new hobby.

You feel that YOUR desire to see what they had TRUMPS their right to have what they have. Suppose someone one day did the same to YOU? Would YOU be so "understanding"?

Steve

I would ask them what they are doing there and if they answered the way l did, l would understand and go about my business. But l would ring the police if they stayed there for a couple of hours!

I wouldn't make it a hobby to tailgate, people out of my area!

Or pick a fight!!!

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12 years ago

If you really MUST indulge in this type of behaviour, why don't you find a public park, park your car, and then go and sit on one of the benches, or even just sit on the grass.

No one can hassle you then, and you can continue dreaming to your heart's content.

A win for you, and a win for the neighbourhood.

BTW on the subject of tailgating, I'm sure if the gentleman explained why he was doing what he did, and about your suspicious behaviour, I'm 100% sure the police would let him off and give you a hard time.

While we're on the subject of laws broken, it would appear on the surface, at least to the gentleman, as well as the police, that you were LOITERING.

Even if it wasn't with bad intent, the police could, and probably would, still take down your name, address, rego no., etc., etc.. From that point on you would become "known to the police".

From now on, just find a park in the neighbourhood and do your dreaming there.

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12 years ago

BTW on the subject of tailgating, I'm sure if the gentleman explained why he was doing what he did, and about your suspicious behaviour, I'm 100% sure the police would let him off and give you a hard time.

While we're on the subject of laws broken, it would appear on the surface, at least to the gentleman, as well as the police, that you were LOITERING.

Even if it wasn't with bad intent, the police could, and probably would, still take down your name, address, rego no., etc., etc.. From that point on you would become "known to the police".

From now on, just find a park in the neighbourhood and do your dreaming there.

Why loitering can be an offence under certain circumstances

Yes, good point, it all boils down to proving that l was going to do something criminal, ski mask, gloves in the boot, etc, for the Loitering rule to be valid, and if the police went through my car, l doubt that they could enforce it?

But as you were saying they may take down my details, so who needs that sort of crap, by going somewhere nice to think!

I also heard him mumble something like, "not again" as he was going up his driveway, and then talked to me before putting on the force.

So, l suspect that people have been parking there on a regular bases, for years, and he is starting to spit the dummy a little. Ironically most park there, because it is secluded, and they don't have to worry about the police showing up, etc, but unfortunately that isn't the case there!

It's a pity that some wealthy people think that everyone is out to steal from them. Frank Kern was like that initially, and eventually changed his thinking!

I can only hope that this person, cuts back on the aggressive behavior, or someone might get aggressive with him one day!

You can argue all you want - but no one agrees with you. You are intruding where you are not wanted and as mentioned above - you could have better images including interiors of such homes by looking online.

Some don't agree with me, reread all the threads!

But l do appreciate the advise about the online options!

Shane

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12 years ago

Loitering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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tagiscom 12 years ago

Ok, Steve fair enough!

Next time this individual should ring the police, they have the power to tell me to leave. And at least they won't tail-gate me out of the general area!!!

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12 years ago

Funny story but you should be more careful... It's true that a picture is worth 1000 words but... it can cost you.

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Kay King 12 years ago

LOL - have you considered when the man said "not again" - he might have been referring to YOU? You say you've been there before.
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  LOL - have you considered when the man said "not again" - he might have been referring to YOU? You say you've been there before.
  
  No, not really! I probably went there about A year or two ago when he was home, and it was almost dark when he arrived home a few days ago! But as l said before l have gone there and had to leave because someone else was parked there, (top of hill).
  
  And this happened a couple of times, over several years!
  
  People that want to start up a MLM business and want to get motivated into action, may make up the majority.
  
  Quietest street with zero police hassles, and most beautiful homes equals traffic.
  
  Especially in Victoria, AU, with everything going up, and more and more desperate people going online to try to find a way out.
  
  This guy will be busy for the foreseeable future, unless something happens?
  
  Or he takes on someone with a bigger stick?
  
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12 years ago

Something similar happened to my sister and I years ago. We had her two boys with us, about 8 & 9 and we just wanted to show them what they could have if they stayed in school, went to college. I wouldn't say that it was a rich area, but a very nice one. We just wanted to show them that with hard work, this could be theirs. We weren't even parked, we were just driving them around, from block to block, admiring the homes and then this cop started tailing us until we uncomfortably left.

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12 years ago

Shane,

If you did this to me, I would get evidence, tell the police, and probably get a restraining order on you. You would likely end up in jail. Look at Trayvon Martin! He probably treated that guy much like you treated "the nut"(to use your terminology). Frankly, YOU sound nuts. You LUST after big houses SO much that you case them? INCREDIBLE! Get a new hobby.

You feel that YOUR desire to see what they had TRUMPS their right to have what they have. Suppose someone one day did the same to YOU? Would YOU be so "understanding"?

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12 years ago

If you overvalue possessions,
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12 years ago

WOW! As far as picking a fight, REMEMBER TRAYVON!

OK, NEW RULE, per king shane! Live in a nice home, or have a nice life, SAY GOODBYE TO PRIVACY!

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