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    The problem with the extreme skeptical position is that it causes people to close their minds against anything that's outside the accepted current worldview. Even the title of a book such as Why People Believe Weird Things is designed to make you feel foolish for even considering anything "weird" or outside the norm. The same is true for words like supernatural and superstition.

    The video was discussing the supposed skull of an alien. They were talking about it from a scientific point of view. Is this skull real? I don't know; I certainly can't say for sure that it's not a hoax. But if you're a skeptic such as Shermer, you won't even look at it. You'll just try to explain the whole thing away with a complicated analysis of brain chemistry.

    The true spirit of science, or of skepticism is to be open to all things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      But if you're a skeptic such as Shermer, you won't even look at it.
      Let me respectfully disagree. Not only will skeptics look at it, they want to look at it. But we will look at it through the lenses of logic, reason, evidence, facts and science.

      If it falls outside of these categories, we are certainly open to other ideas. So far that has not been necessary.

      As you indicated, we are open minded.

      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      The true spirit of science, or of skepticism is to be open to all things.
      I have noticed that skeptics do tend to shave with Occam's Razor.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      DNA doesn't lie - although there are some scientists that do. This one has me interested and I'd like to see more about it sometime when I have time to really get into the details. I know about the "coneheads". They are real, but I never heard the results of the DNA testing. It's all that simple - what does the DNA tell us. If there are a few bonafide scientists who affirm the data, it doesn't matter if the "authorities" will or not. This is a subject that is not going to be mainstream accepted for awhile yet no matter how exactly correct it is.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
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        Yep, skepticism, is healthy, but not if the individual is so closed minded, that they ignore plausible evidence...

        Like UFO, sightings.

        Some will always dismiss them all as hoaxes, etc, but some will think, a small percentage a probably genuine.

        Then some will dismiss, the blurred images from the moon as being Photoshopped nonsense from a hippie, with too much time on his hands, etc.

        And some will see it as possible evidence that NASA is hiding something!

        But as he said, if a UFO lands near the Whitehouse, or more likely a park oval in the US, the total skeptics, will probably die of shock, while the more open-minded, will be glued to their tv, thinking cool, or finally!!!

        If you look long enough, and hard enough, with an open mind proof can be found, even online!!!

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        • Profile picture of the author Brian John
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yep, skepticism, is healthy, but not if the individual is so closed minded, that they ignore plausible evidence...
          Like UFO, sightings.
          Some will always dismiss them all as hoaxes, etc, but some will think, a small percentage a probably genuine.
          Then some will dismiss, the blurred images from the moon as being Photoshopped nonsense from a hippie, with too much time on his hands, etc.
          skeptics aren't close minded, we're just not convinced by antidotal evidence. "plausible evidence" of a ufo (assuming u mean et ufo) sighting is not a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained, that's simply a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained. too many people make the assumption that if something can't be readily explained as coming from this earth, it must have come from somewhere else. however, until conclusively demonstrated that such an entity/organism exists, that's an erroneous assumption. it's a possibility, but a very remote one until there is some definitive evidence of such an event. again, is it possible that et life exists? absolutely, it's highly probable actually. does that mean that we've ever been visited? absolutely not, and there's no reason to believe we have because some guy in a pickup truck in the middle of nowhere saw something hovering over the woods in the sky. many people have be intereviewed saying that they were certain they were looking at something from "somewhere else" until it got very close and they realized they were looking at a plane, for example. from that same incident there's possibly someone on the other side of town who saw the same plane who for the rest of their days will be absolutely convinced they witnessed a foreign life form flying over their city. for the most part there's no doubt these people saw something, as most almost certainly did see something, but that doesn't mean they were looking at an et just because we don't readily have an explanation. at this point what they saw can be considered a ufo, but not an et ufo. and since we're on the topic (sorry for the ramble lol), regarding the ancient pyramids, do i think they are a result of detailed instructions given to early peoples by aliens, or that a relatively few very wealthy individuals had thousands of slaves at their disposal as well as a few thousand years to have them do what they wanted? i'm going w the later.
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          But as he said, if a UFO lands near the Whitehouse, or more likely a park oval in the US, the total skeptics, will probably die of shock, while the more open-minded, will be glued to their tv, thinking cool, or finally!!!
          If you look long enough, and hard enough, with an open mind proof can be found, even online!!!
          if an et ever hops out of their spaceship and strolls on the whitehouse lawn, skeptics won't die of shock, it will simply be an incredibly exciting moment in science where we'll finally have convincing evidence that such a life form exists. please don't misunderstand, it's not necessarily that so called "skeptics" don't want to believe, quite the contrary actually as many of us do believe that such life forms exist, it's just that it can't be said for sure that we've been visited until there is conclusive evidence of such an event, and this can't be confirmed simply by someone with a blurry photograph and a steadfast commitment to "i know what i saw".
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Brian John View Post

            skeptics aren't close minded, we're just not convinced by antidotal evidence. "plausible evidence" of a ufo (assuming u mean et ufo) sighting is not a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained, that's simply a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained. too many people make the assumption that if something can't be readily explained as coming from this earth, it must have come from somewhere else. however, until conclusively demonstrated that such an entity/organism exists, that's an erroneous assumption. it's a possibility, but a very remote one until there is some definitive evidence of such an event. again, is it possible that et life exists? absolutely, it's highly probable actually. does that mean that we've ever been visited? absolutely not, and there's no reason to believe we have because some guy in a pickup truck in the middle of nowhere saw something hovering over the woods in the sky. many people have be intereviewed saying that they were certain they were looking at something from "somewhere else" until it got very close and they realized they were looking at a plane, for example. from that same incident there's possibly someone on the other side of town who saw the same plane who for the rest of their days will be absolutely convinced they witnessed a foreign life form flying over their city. for the most part there's no doubt these people saw something, as most almost certainly did see something, but that doesn't mean they were looking at an et just because we don't readily have an explanation. at this point what they saw can be considered a ufo, but not an et ufo. and since we're on the topic (sorry for the ramble lol), regarding the ancient pyramids, do i think they are a result of detailed instructions given to early peoples by aliens, or that a relatively few very wealthy individuals had thousands of slaves at their disposal as well as a few thousand years to have them do what they wanted? i'm going w the later.
            Brian, no disrespect intended, but I would like to offer you one word of advice: paragraphs.
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            • Profile picture of the author Brian John
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Brian, no disrespect intended, but I would like to offer you one word of advice: paragraphs.
              lol point taken
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        DNA doesn't lie - although there are some scientists that do. This one has me interested and I'd like to see more about it sometime when I have time to really get into the details. I know about the "coneheads". They are real, but I never heard the results of the DNA testing. It's all that simple - what does the DNA tell us. If there are a few bonafide scientists who affirm the data, it doesn't matter if the "authorities" will or not. This is a subject that is not going to be mainstream accepted for awhile yet no matter how exactly correct it is.
        With regard to conheads, there ARE some cultures, and I believe at least one is in peru, that at least DID bind the head to do that. indentations may remain giving the appearance of a brain, etc... Assuming things grow as they usually do, a natural conehead is NOT something you would expect to see. ALSO, supporting the tip would be less efficient and yield less benefit. There IS a reason why people haven't built pyramids lately, and why high rises generally have limits on elevators. A pyramid, after all, would, as built in egypt, be VERY stable. They aren't an efficient use of space though.

        In asia they would sometimes bind the feet of women. In Africa it may be the mouths, jaw, ears, or neck. Some people seem to want to be different in whatever way!

        That star child deal DOES look interesting. WHO KNOWS?

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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      But if you're a skeptic such as Shermer, you won't even look at it.
      On the contrary, Larry: Shermer has chosen to spend his entire life and career "looking at it". More than either you or I have done, I think?
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      • Profile picture of the author LarryC
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        On the contrary, Larry: Shermer has chosen to spend his entire life and career "looking at it". More than either you or I have done, I think?
        I see people like Shermer, as well as the so-called Amazing Randi as professional skeptics or debunkers. They don't approach things with an open mind, but with the intention of discrediting them.

        Quantum physics demonstrates that observation can have a real effect on outcome. That's why you can find studies and research that supposedly prove so many contradictory things.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          Quantum physics demonstrates that observation can have a real effect on outcome.
          Indeed.

          Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but my guess is that Michael Shermer's understanding of quantum physics, given his credentials and experience, goes way beyond yours or mine.

          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          That's why you can find studies and research that supposedly prove so many contradictory things.
          That's one of the many reasons, yes.
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          • Profile picture of the author bravo75
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Indeed.

            Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but my guess is that Michael Shermer's understanding of quantum physics, given his credentials and experience, goes way beyond yours or mine.


            So does Lloyd Pye's.
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          • Profile picture of the author LarryC
            [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;7241303]Indeed.

            Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but my guess is that Michael Shermer's understanding of quantum physics, given his credentials and experience, goes way beyond yours or mine.

            Alexa, I think you've just committed the Appeal to Authority Fallacy! You can find hundreds of "experts" on any issue that disagree. More so with quantum physics than many others, as this is a relatively new field and there are many different interpretations of it.

            You (and others in this thread) might appreciate this, as it's from the Skeptic's dictionary

            appeal to authority - logical fallacies - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
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            • Profile picture of the author Brian John
              Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

              Alexa, I think you've just committed the Appeal to Authority Fallacy! You can find hundreds of "experts" on any issue that disagree. More so with quantum physics than many others, as this is a relatively new field and there are many different interpretations of it.
              don't want to speak for alexa, but i personally have never blindly followed authority figures on hotly contested issues, although i do agree that the "appeal to authority" concept is a very real and valid one. regarding shermer (since he's been referenced), i happen to agree with much of what he says. This is likely a result of the fact that most of his theories and beliefs are largely founded in logic and empirical testing, which is how i evaluate the validity and/or possibility of an event. that being said, for highly debated topics i don't blindly agree with him or anyone for that matter, i generally consider all available information, which could be anything from testifiable data to verbal accounts of an occurrence, and make my own informed decision.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

              Alexa, I think you've just committed the Appeal to Authority Fallacy!
              Yes, it figures that you'd think that, or pretend to, anyway.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                skeptics aren't close minded, we're just not convinced by antidotal evidence. "plausible evidence" of a ufo (assuming u mean et ufo) sighting is not a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained, that's simply a light in the sky that can't be immediately explained. too many people make the assumption that if something can't be readily explained as coming from this earth, it must have come from somewhere else. however, until conclusively demonstrated that such an entity/organism exists, that's an erroneous assumption.
                Ok, fair enough, but l have found that skeptics when they see something that definitely happened, and can be proved that it happened, and the spaceship that moves like it is under intelligent control, and has a windscreen on the front, and looks like a shuttle out of a Star Trek movie, will still dismiss it as, "l don't know what it is"!!!! :confused:

                I am referring to the shuttle type ship that followed the Apollo astronauts on most of their moon missions!

                That's what l mean by closed minded, seeing something that looks like something and dismissing it as "ok, this did occur, but it could be natural, etc!!! :rolleyes:

                It's a bit like going back in time and driving a 4 wheel drive car across the desert with an ancient tribe member seeing this and the skeptic saying, "l don't know what it is, it may be a trick of light and sound, or it is natural", and the more intelligent one saying, "it is making a sound l have never heard before, and with the sun glaring off the dark area on the front, (windscreen) and the fact that it is dodging the trees that something intelligent is inside controlling it, that it is real, and it is definitely not natural, (too much evidence), so l will investigate it further!!

                That's what l mean by being closed minded, seeing something that has occurred, and seeing something that looks like something, where available evidence strongly suggests it is what it looks like, and dismissing it as natural or not Alien!!!

                I could dismiss the craft that followed the astronauts as being an elaborate model sent up by the Russians, but available evidence, doesn't support this, and the time traveler concept is less likely, so Alien, appears to be the most likely explanation!!!

                I think that if an Alien craft landed on a skeptics house and said, "see, aliens do exist" he would say, l an dreaming, or l am delusional, or "where is the film crew"!

                As that scientist has said, you need to tie these people into a chair and pound it into them to get them to open up!!!

                Some skeptics do hide behind fear, so l will still think that some heart attacks will occur when one lands!!!

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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Yes, at the subatomic level. Here in the good old Newtonian world, preconceived notions color judgment.

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          Lack of evidence is always proof of conspiracy.

          Calling persuasion mind control clothes it in a neat, conspiratorial clown suit. There's nothing new about persuasion and propaganda. If there's anything new, it's the lack of critical thinking among the increasingly ill-educated and the paranoid mindset it engenders.

          I expect that soon a doctor checking someone's reflexes will be accused of knee control.

          Stimulus/response is not mind control.
          I'll take what you say with a pinch of salt.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The way "authorities" cover up real science, they are NOT the ones to appeal to. For example - artifacts found under layers of volcanic rock here in the states - authorities claim that they are NOT from the period before the volcano erupted because they would be too old to fit our given scenario. Um.........then exactly how the hell did they get under a layer of volcanic rock?

    I have a friend who is an explorer - he headed the creation of a pretty impressive set of location devices. When he was in WY his team found some very impressive artifacts. The "authoritive" answer was that it was impossible for them to be located where they were and they completely dismissed the find - because their word on where things were supposed to be was more correct than where things actually are. Go figure.
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