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Yes - if it is legal it must be moral 0 0%
No - Legality and Morality are guidelines only 2 13.33%
Just because it is legal does not make it moral 9 60.00%
Just because it is immoral does not make it illegal 4 26.67%
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:44 AM   #1
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Default Question: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

Many folks do regard anything which is illegal is also immoral, and try to stay within those confines...how do you feel?

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Old 10-30-2012, 10:49 AM   #2
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Default Re: Ouestion: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

Somehow I don't see Not wearing my seatbelt as being immoral. Actually, I don't see most preventative laws as being immoral, at least from the citizen's side. Now, some of the laws being passed seem to be a different story.

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Old 10-30-2012, 11:15 AM   #3
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Many folks do regard anything which is illegal is also immoral, and try to stay within those confines...how do you feel?

(You are free to voice any opinions, as long as they regard the forum rules of no P/R...)
Thats a good one.

I think that there area a lot of illegal things that aren't immoral BUT I think there are a lot more LEGAL things that you could class as immoral.

I guess at the end of the day it comes down to people individually and their views.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:17 AM   #4
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Somehow I don't see Not wearing my seatbelt as being immoral. Actually, I don't see most preventative laws as being immoral, at least from the citizen's side. Now, some of the laws being passed seem to be a different story.
Good point - in trying to structure a broad question like this as a poll, I quickly stepped over the 'law as safety guideline' aspect - as many laws are framed simply to protect the general public, and imply nothing other than consideration for your own safety, and others around you...

Then there are other laws which are almost, 'meant to be broken'...
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Slavery was once legal and we all know how moral that was...
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Legality is the lowest measure of morality. By the standards of legality, the only real sin is getting caught.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:05 PM   #7
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Morality allows a person to live as a credit to themselves and society. Laws are sometimes completely immoral. It can cause major conflict.

If a government makes free speech illegal - it is an immoral law. If they are using their powers to slaughter people and you know it - you will be breaking the law to speak out, yet you are acting with moral right.

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What about the option, "Just because it is illegal does not make it immoral"?

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Old 10-30-2012, 02:48 PM   #9
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Default Re: Ouestion: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

You are trying to make your question an "if then" statement and it is not.
The answer to your question,which is the answer you left out of your poll,is no.

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You are trying to make your question an "if then" statement and it is not.
The answer to your question,which is the answer you left out of your poll,is no.
Initially, the first two choices were yes and no...maybe I should have left them simply as such...

It is question that has a lot of variables, as Ken pointed out...

I guess it stems from a lot of recent occurrences where someone has done something most people would consider immoral, but is not illegal...so in some ways that gives them justification for their lack of morals...they know it isn't 'right', but legally they can get away with doing it.

And as Sal also pointed out, where something might be illegal - but has moral justifications...you are compelled to take the legal risk.

Also, as in in the 'arrogant' thread - some people, especially those in positions of money and power, see themselves above the law, and beyond reproach - or at least rich enough to employ a cadre of lawyers...
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Default Re: Ouestion: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

The way the poll is set up, the first statement is absurd, the second one is iffy and the final two are reasonable. I would imagine most people would agree with both #3 and #4, so it doesn't make sense to have to choose one or the other.

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Homosexuality and pre-marital sex are both legal in Australia.

If you measure morality by bible standards, neither are moral as God considers both to be sin.
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There are LOTS of immoral things that aren't illegal, and many illegal things aren't immoral.

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Laws are the governments way of trying to force a code of conduct on its citizens. Morality is the code of conduct people choose for themselves.

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Some acts are illegal or legal in some estates or countries even if it is really immoral. Even if it is legal it doesn't really mean that it is not immoral.
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Default Re: Ouestion: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

Mindless question.
There is no connection between morality and legality.

Ex. I can meet a woman in a bar, take her home and do whatever we want.
As long as I don't pay her.
Immoral, yes.
Ilegal, no.
Stupid, yes.

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Default Re: Ouestion: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

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Initially, the first two choices were yes and no...maybe I should have left them simply as such...

It is question that has a lot of variables, as Ken pointed out...

I guess it stems from a lot of recent occurrences where someone has done something most people would consider immoral, but is not illegal...so in some ways that gives them justification for their lack of morals...they know it isn't 'right', but legally they can get away with doing it.

And as Sal also pointed out, where something might be illegal - but has moral justifications...you are compelled to take the legal risk.

Also, as in in the 'arrogant' thread - some people, especially those in positions of money and power, see themselves above the law, and beyond reproach - or at least rich enough to employ a cadre of lawyers...
I pretty much agree with your response.
I'm not sure which thread is the "arrogant" thread, I've been too busy actually getting things done to keep up here lately, but it does remind me of the thread about the car salesman that reported a car stolen after selling it for the wrong price and the man that bought it refusing to sign new papers.

The salesman reporting it stolen did something that was both illegal and immoral.
The man that bought the car was probably legally in the right by refusing to sign the papers, but by my moral compass morally wrong. I know others felt he was both legally and morally right.

Tough calls.

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Default Re: Question: Are Illegal and Immoral The Same Thing?

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Just because it is immoral does not make it illegal
^^ This, IMO. Obviously, not always the case, but in general.

The example I will use is this:

People who abuse liberal return policies of stores. The store has a 90 day no-questions-asked return policy, so they buy things, use them for 89 days and return/exchange them.

They keep repeating this cycle and many have been successfully doing it for years and years, truly 'milking the system'. They always have 'new' things and they never 'pay' for them.

Immoral? Absolutely.

Illegal? Far from it. It's within the return policy of the store. The store chooses to have such a liberal return policy and accommodate such 'customers'. Nothing illegal about it.

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