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What are these Cops thinking? They can just put their 'phaser/tasers' on stun?
This ain't the Starship Enterprise!!!

Cop shoots 10-year-old boy with Taser for refusing to clean patrol car — RT

A couple of related stories on the right side of the page are quite 'enLIGHTNING' as well
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    One more of our police rapidly turning terrorist. Tasing people seems to be almost a sport anymore - that and shooting family pets. Iceland might make a good retirement home I'm thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author GT
    What an awful experience for the boy. You have to wonder how people like that officer got onto the force. Maybe it's tougher to find people willing to be police officers, so the recruiting standards are lower?

    In fairness to the decent officers, I have known a few who held to high standards and truly contributed to the community in a variety of ways. Can't imagine them tasing anybody except under the most dire circumstances (NOT a kid saying no to a casual suggestion).

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    GT - there have been a lot of innocent people killed by being tased - I stopped keeping track back years ago when they already had 300 wrongful deaths by tasing. They were tasing people in wheelchairs. One kid fell off a bridge and broke his back and he was"acting funny" so they tased him 17 times and came real close to killing him.

    We have a very dangerous militia in our police force today. We still, thank God for small favors, have some who just want to help, too. I live in a small town and the cops here are pretty decent people as far as I've seen.

    Did you know in the US you take a test to be a cop and if your IQ is too high, you don't get a badge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This stuff just goes too far for anyone with a working brain - how do you believe this? The $43 trillion STORY that's being repeated on "out there" blogs are press releases from a firm putting together what looks like a class action suit.

      I can't find a single reputable news source presenting these press releases as "news" but one does clearly state what other people in the legal community think of this ploy.

      Spire Law Group’s Mass Torte Lawsuit Seeks $43 Trillion from Banks – Former AG Says it’s a FRAUD - Mandelman Matters

      What is truly disgusting is these same blogs would use the death of two children to promote their agendas of conspiracy. The parents are going through enough without having the death of their children used as a political football by bloggers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    It's not the voltage that will kill you, it is the amperage.

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    • Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      It's not the voltage that will kill you, it is the amperage.

      -Chris
      Technically, you are correct sir...the current is a large factor in being fried - as well as your resistance...(to pain )
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Ironically, a person working as a prison guard is more demeaning and dangerous. There goes their claim of turnover!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    I'm sure people will jump on me for this, but I think alot of stuff like this in the US (and elsewhere, I'm sure) comes down the fact that the barrier to entry is too low for many police forces, and the length of training to far too short. I remember someone here telling me the training period for their local police force is only 6 weeks (and, IIRC, isn't even full time).

    That's quite astonishing.

    Here, it's two YEARS (full-time) and, even after that, you have to work under a more-senior and experienced officer for an additional period. And, in addition to the obvious stuff like medical and psychological testing, personal interviews, and not having a criminal record, you'll also be excluded if, for example, any of your family or known associates have any significant criniminal, or otherwise undesirable, history too.

    (One particular non-obvious benefit to a 2 year training period, other than producing very well-trained officers, is that, if any 'less-than-desirable' people (like those who think it's a good idea to taser children) do manage to slip in, the very long period of time before they can actually do any damage will usually be enough to compel them drop out long before their training is complete anyway.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Thomas - I agree. I think it's true in work other than police, too. We have mostly abandoned the apprentice model of training here -and that was a dumb move.

      The IQ requirement doesn't surprise me. That happens for other high risk jobs, too, in the military, for example. It may be logical in some way as some work needs people smart enough to do the work - but not smart enough to question why they should carry out an order.

      Honestly - for every bad story we hear like this tasing - there are multiple stories of cops who save lives and protect the communities they work for.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Thomas - I agree. I think it's true in work other than police, too. We have mostly abandoned the apprentice model of training here -and that was a dumb move.

        The IQ requirement doesn't surprise me. That happens for other high risk jobs, too, in the military, for example. It may be logical in some way as some work needs people smart enough to do the work - but not smart enough to question why they should carry out an order.

        Honestly - for every bad story we hear like this tasing - there are multiple stories of cops who save lives and protect the communities they work for.
        HOW can you be smart enough to do any worthwhile work in a decent fashion and yet so dumb that you will never question?

        HEY, nobody is disputing the good that can happen. Even the DEVIL likely has his moments.

        As for the stories that get out? I WISH I could feel free to ignore that stuff that seems ludicrous.

        When I see bills on THOMAS, and hear people talk about things they did that either never happened or were opposite that advertised, or I see people telling about me and things I, or people I know, did or didn't do, knowing FULL well that they are LYING, etc... I not only know the truth about THOSE things, but find that my threshold for the beliefs of that has been INCREASED!!!!!!!

        Please realize that the things I just stated are NOT subjective! They are NOT opinion! They are NOT slanderous, etc.... They are FACT! GRANTED, a lot of news IS wrong! A lot of HISTORY IS wrong! Some things, we will likely NEVER know! But I know enough to know that a lot of the things that I have heard are INCREDIBLE LIES ARE INCREDIBLE LIES!

        I WISH I could simply say "NO MOTIVE" or "STUPID" or "SELF DEFEATING", etc... and filter out the nonsense, but that just doesn't work anymore. Maybe it NEVER really did.

        Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      I'm sure people will jump on me for this, but I think alot of stuff like this in the US (and elsewhere, I'm sure) comes down the fact that the barrier to entry is too low for many police forces, and the length of training to far too short. I remember someone here telling me the training period for their local police force is only 6 weeks (and, IIRC, isn't even full time).

      That's quite astonishing.

      Here, it's two YEARS (full-time) and, even after that, you have to work under a more-senior and experienced officer for an additional period. And, in addition to the obvious stuff like medical and psychological testing, personal interviews, and not having a criminal record, you'll also be excluded if, for example, any of your family or known associates have any significant criniminal, or otherwise undesirable, history too.

      (One particular non-obvious benefit to a 2 year training period, other than producing very well-trained officers, is that, if any 'less-than-desirable' people (like those who think it's a good idea to taser children) do manage to slip in, the very long period of time before they can actually do any damage will usually be enough to compel them drop out long before their training is complete anyway.)
      Thomas - I think that one of the biggest problems is that there is a very large number of our police force that was (might still be) trained by Blackwater.

      Kay - "authority" does not tell us about this kind of thing. They try to hide it and will go to lengths to do so. Our media is corporate owned and in compliance with the WH - don't ever mistake that. Sometimes you have to get the news out via "non-authoritive" venues before it's known widely enough for the authorities to figure they need to come out with something on it. Were it not for these other venues, we'd still be in the dark about GMO food, fluoridated water, and many other forms of abuse that the "authorities" are dishing out for their own profits.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        But you also have to determine if the "source" is really presenting news - or using certain facts to promote their own agenda. That happens a LOT online and we all know it.

        When I go to a blog that talks about "commandos" and all sorts of idiotic "out to get us" stuff that doesn't check out or even make sense - I'm not going to believe that blogger when he makes a "news announcement".

        If you take a clear look at many of these sites - you'll see they parrot the same information and post the exact same stories/comments/press releases. No one is checking for accuracy or questioning the "facts" given...they just pass on the rumors that were often made up in the first place.

        We laugh at new marketers who buy crap that tells them what they want to hear - but the same thing is true when we believe blogs that tell us what we want to hear. Propaganda is what it is no matter which side it comes from. Sometimes you can find a nugget of truth and pull the string to find more - often there is no nugget of truth there.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      I'm sure people will jump on me for this, but I think alot of stuff like this in the US (and elsewhere, I'm sure) comes down the fact that the barrier to entry is too low for many police forces, and the length of training to far too short. I remember someone here telling me the training period for their local police force is only 6 weeks (and, IIRC, isn't even full time).

      That's quite astonishing.

      Here, it's two YEARS (full-time) and, even after that, you have to work under a more-senior and experienced officer for an additional period. And, in addition to the obvious stuff like medical and psychological testing, personal interviews, and not having a criminal record, you'll also be excluded if, for example, any of your family or known associates have any significant criniminal, or otherwise undesirable, history too.

      (One particular non-obvious benefit to a 2 year training period, other than producing very well-trained officers, is that, if any 'less-than-desirable' people (like those who think it's a good idea to taser children) do manage to slip in, the very long period of time before they can actually do any damage will usually be enough to compel them drop out long before their training is complete anyway.)
      Just 2 days ago I had a nice chat with a person that trains government agencies to shoot, etc... Apparently, he does NOT generally train the police. And he said that he CRINGES when police brag about shooting well because he said maybe only 3% can. He spoke of targets that were like 3, 7, and I guess 12 yards away. He said that if the agent does OK on those that they don't even have to shoot the next one that is like 25 yards. 12 yards is 36 feet, or LESS than 12 meters. That is NOT very far. MOST LEGITIMATE shooting probably is around 25 yards.

      BTW he DID also talk about a case where 20+ people were shot by POLICE to try to take out 2 criminals.

      Steve
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      • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Just 2 days ago I had a nice chat with a person that trains government agencies to shoot, etc... Apparently, he does NOT generally train the police. And he said that he CRINGES when police brag about shooting well because he said maybe only 3% can. He spoke of targets that were like 3, 7, and I guess 12 yards away. He said that if the agent does OK on those that they don't even have to shoot the next one that is like 25 yards. 12 yards is 36 feet, or LESS than 12 meters. That is NOT very far. MOST LEGITIMATE shooting probably is around 25 yards.

        BTW he DID also talk about a case where 20+ people were shot by POLICE to try to take out 2 criminals.

        Steve
        But Steve...it looks so easy in the movies!

        Heck, John McClane can shoot a bad guy between the eyes @ 20ft with a gun taped behind his neck! :rolleyes:

        and that's after a long day at work...and no sleep!
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          But Steve...it looks so easy in the movies!

          Heck, John McClane can shoot a bad guy between the eyes @ 20ft with a gun taped behind his neck! :rolleyes:

          and that's after a long day at work...and no sleep!
          Ironically, the person I spoke of ALSO teaches actors! He said he taught the ones for Batman 3. And he said THEY can now shoot well.

          If I am thinking of the shot YOU are, where he drops his gun, puts his hands behind his neck, and is laughing while the villain has a gun pointed at his wife, I think THAT was closer than 20ft! But how often do police have to shoot when they are that close. HECK, the police stayed farther away than that from the building!

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    That's true - there's a lot of it out there. There's also a lot of what people take to be pure crap until it's known widespread enough that authorities have to stop hiding it. Not more than two decades ago the fact that the FED is actually a bank and not a branch of gov was considered "conspiracy theory" -- so was the fact that fluoridated water is poisonous. We do have to keep diligent and research, but that's often a little hard at first when a cover up is going on. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to get to the real truth.

    I, however, have never spent, and will never spend, time determining if our politicians are really lizard people from space.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Tasers should also inject vaccines.

    "Have you had your shots, boy?"

    Bad ideas have a way of catching on these days
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      Tasers should also inject vaccines.

      "Have you had your shots, boy?"

      Bad ideas have a way of catching on these days
      Jeez don't give em ideas. They have mini-drones that look like mosquitoes for that now anyway.
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  • Ok...you got me there...it was TWO guys @ 10 ft.
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