by HeySal
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I got this in my email today and thought I would share it here. Not sure if it's real or not - but it's still something to think about. I remember in my days at the crisis center we had to teach women that it was important to look in the backseat of their cars before they got in because there were just way too many being attacked by people getting in and hiding until someone was behind the wheel. People have a lot of ways of luring people into dangerous positions. This is one that may or may not be used - but it is a good thing to think about. B

WARNING FROM POLICE

THIS APPLIES TO BOTH WOMEN AND MEN

BEWARE OF PAPER ON THE BACK WINDOW OF YOUR VEHICLE--NEW WAY TO DO
CARJACKINGS (NOT A JOKE)

Heads up everyone! Please, keep this circulating.. You walk across the
parking lot, unlock your car and get inside. You start the engine and
shift into reverse..

When you look into the rear view mirror to back out of your parking space,
you notice a piece of paper stuck to the middle of the rear window. So,
you shift into Park, unlock your doors, and jump out of your car to remove
that paper (or whatever it is) that is obstructing your view. When you
reach the back of your car, that is when the carjackers appear out of
nowhere, jump into your car and take off. They practically mow you down as
they speed off in your car.

And guess what, ladies? I bet your purse is still in the car.

So now the carjacker has your car, your home address, your money, and your
keys. Your home and your whole identity are now compromised!
BEWARE OF THIS NEW SCHEME THAT IS NOW BEING USED.

If you see a piece of paper stuck to your back window, just drive away.
Remove the paper later. And be thankful that you read this e-mail. I hope
you will forward this to friends and family, especially to women. A purse
contains all kinds of personal information and identification documents,
and you certainly do NOT want it to fall into the wrong hands.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I wish I knew the name of the show, but a local sheriff here has a show that talks about all sorts of tricks and traps. I would be surprised if a thing such as what you spoke about were never done. I still remember whole cities were I could go for miles and miles. The ONLY thing I had to watch out for was the odd brat wannabe gangster trying to scare younger kids into giving them money, etc... Even THAT was not as common or heinous as now. NOW, there are places where people don't want to go outside because they may be attacked.

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    • Profile picture of the author Maruelle
      are they that desperate to earn? I mean C'mon.., they must get a life in a good way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yep - when we least expect it - when we 'let our guard down', that is when the pond scum has a chance to get over on us.

    There is another one like this about a gas station - how they crawl in your back seat while you are paying or not looking...

    I like stuff like this because it reminds us to be more careful.

    I read that people who are the most likely to get assaulted/robbed are those not paying attention - the example = walking around a shopping mall and in that crazed shopper's daze looky looky you get tooky.

    Be aware of your surroundings and check all sides front, beside and behind.

    Like I say - the worst horror shows in the world are the nightly news.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Maybe they THINK it is! WHO would go to the trouble to determine if a given non specific instance of this story were legit? You couldn't even be sure of any non specified specifics.

      The fact is that people DO try such things, so be careful. HECK, I once left for 3 hours. THREE HOURS!!!!! Now, at the time, my average trip was about 20 minutes! Here is what ****I**** pieced together, all by myself, and the LAPD couldn't be bothered....

      A hispanic couple went over the area knocking on doors, in the afternoon on a sunday. Eventually, they would break in, casually(like using a lockpick), steal a pillow case, take the VCR and look for obvious valuables, like jewelry, cash, or credit cards, and put in the pillow cases. They did it with 11 apartments, in my complex alone!

      INCREDIBLY, they frequented mexican hole in the wall restaurants, and even spent 14 times the average amount in a shoe store. A clerk there said "THEY WILL BE REMEMBERED, as WE ARE ON COMMISSION!"!

      I guess you think that the recent breakin and possible attempted rape of a little girl(I beliee he was in his 20s, and she was about 12) that happened like a month ago was a prank too? She was hiding, but the jerk apparently wanted to rape her or something. But she called 911, found they couldn't do anything, and the parents prepared her for that. Let's just say he opened up the door and something ELSE came out to greet him. He ended up in the hospital. But he had a police record.

      HECK, one car commercial, I believe it was BMW, revealed that they had a heartbeat detector option, and showed how a person could avoid going near a car with a stowaway. She saw a blinking light on her remote saying that a person was in her car.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Steve, Snopes is the "go to" source for checking out hoaxes. They're pretty good at ferreting out the truth and have a good reputation. No one is saying it couldn't happen. In order for a hoax to catch on it has to be plausible. But, it's not something that's rampant. Whoever made that up did so with the intent to scare people. People needn't fear that anymore than any other slim chance of getting hurt.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Steve, Snopes is the "go to" source for checking out hoaxes. They're pretty good at ferreting out the truth and have a good reputation. No one is saying it couldn't happen. In order for a hoax to catch on it has to be plausible. But, it's not something that's rampant. Whoever made that up did so with the intent to scare people. People needn't fear that anymore than any other slim chance of getting hurt.
      Did anyone sayit is rampant? Is ANYTHING rampant? I don't see hitchhikers all over, but many are sstill DANGEROUS!

      MY GOD, there comes a time when you have to dis-value a reputation rather than information from it. Mythbusters is claimed to have the same reputation, yet THEIR methods are bad. Every now and then, they end up eating crow on the SAME show. Once, they said that shooting bullets in the air couldn't possibly kill people. They "proved" this mathematically. ONE PROBLEM! The local police department had records of people dying in that way. Myth busters response? Well THEY didn't shoot straight up.

      TRANSLATION? Our entire premise was WRONG, and proved that our methods are NOT 100% factual.

      Things like the test with water heaters didn't take into account differences in type, age, manufacture, or defects.

      HECK, similar things happen! People have stopped on the side of a road, and oters have hopped into cars that have stopped to help them. Criminals have come from prisons, and hitchhiked.

      Heck, I check my car. i never even got a message like this.

      If snope tells me that the visual color of the sky is yellow, I will figure they are WRONG rather than change my idea of the color of the sky. MAYBE I AM seeing yellow when I look in the sky but if I start calling that yellow it means that al those MILLIONS throughout history that have said it is blue are WRONG! That IS, after all, how I associated the color that I see with the name BLUE. It ALSO meanss that I will be at a los to name the color I call yellow. And if yellow and blue make green and yellow and blue are not yellow and blue, then GREEN must not be green. well, maybe you get the point.

      If a trillion people commit a crime, and a person states a story that is discredited, does that mean that all others are wrong? NOPE!

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    I don't have time for silly things like looking behind me.



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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't have time for silly things like looking behind me.



      The girl parking a car finally crashes it - YouTube
      WOW, that last one, YIKES!
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        WOW, that last one, YIKES!

        It's amazing she didn't run over any of those people walking around the car.

        There's a saying "If you don't like my driving, stay off the sidewalk!".
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I wasn't sure if it was a hoax or not - and said so. I just thought it should be posted because people are starting to get desperate and crime is going to, if it hasn't already started to, get more prevalent. There will be all sorts of things going on that might be something you wouldn't think about usually - but need to start. I used to live in a town that had one of the country's highest, if not THE highest, rate of women being abducted out of the Mall parking lot. I was also accosted in a parking garage a level under ground floor. You really have to be careful in parking lots any time. Whether snopes thinks so or not - parking lots are crime havens and a lot of people are out shopping now. Just be careful people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    Thanks for the heads up. I keep the loaded glock in the glove box, so if they try me, I'm gonna pump them with so much lead that you could use them for a pencil.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

      Thanks for the heads up. I keep the loaded glock in the glove box, so if they try me, I'm gonna pump them with so much lead that you could use them for a pencil.
      Hate to be a buzz kill and take away your fun in killing someone, but you could just drive away and not stop and get out of the car.
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      • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Hate to be a buzz kill and take away your fun in killing someone, but you could just drive away and not stop and get out of the car.
        Nah, I've got to send a message to others who think its okay to rob someone who's worked hard for what they've got.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

          Nah, I've got to send a message to others who think its okay to rob someone who's worked hard for what they've got.
          I agree. You need to kill someone to send a message, while some of us can just drive off. Some of us believe taking another person's life is a last resort. But for you, it's your first option so you can teach other people a lesson. Good for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I agree. You need to kill someone to send a message, while some of us can just drive off. Some of us believe taking another person's life is a last resort. But for you, it's your first option so you can teach other people a lesson. Good for you.
            Thanks for understanding.
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          • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I agree. You need to kill someone to send a message, while some of us can just drive off. Some of us believe taking another person's life is a last resort. But for you, it's your first option so you can teach other people a lesson. Good for you.
            Most of us think the same way - but a carjacking is a crime of violence, perpetrated by people who have no respect for the lives or property of the person whose car they're jacking. More than one person has lost their life to a carjacker.

            If a would-be carjacker knew there was a likelihood that his/her victim was armed, they might think twice before doing it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
              Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

              Most of us think the same way - but a carjacking is a crime of violence, perpetrated by people who have no respect for the lives or property of the person whose car they're jacking. More than one person has lost their life to a carjacker.

              If a would-be carjacker knew there was a likelihood that his/her victim was armed, they might think twice before doing it.
              I've been robbed more than once at gunpoint, so I know the feeling of being robbed. Which is probably why I feel the way I feel on this subject. Imagine working and after a long night, you're walking home minding your business and some guy puts a gun in your face demanding everything you've got. That happened to me when I was a teenager. Before that, when I was 14, some guys kicked in my door home invasion style and robbed my brother and I at gunpoint. So I have no regard for the life of a robber.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

                I've been robbed more than once at gunpoint, so I know the feeling of being robbed. Which is probably why I feel the way I feel on this subject. Imagine working and after a long night, you're walking home minding your business and some guy puts a gun in your face demanding everything you've got. That happened to me when I was a teenager. Before that, when I was 14, some guys kicked in my door home invasion style and robbed my brother and I at gunpoint. So I have no regard for the life of a robber.
                Different situations than the one described in the OP. I have no problem defending yourself/myself if there are no other options, or someone has entered your/my home.

                However, in the given situation in the OP, you just drive off and don't get out to read the note.

                PS. Don't assume the situations you've had "qualify" you any more than my experiences qualify my decisions.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

              Most of us think the same way - but a carjacking is a crime of violence, perpetrated by people who have no respect for the lives or property of the person whose car they're jacking. More than one person has lost their life to a carjacker.

              If a would-be carjacker knew there was a likelihood that his/her victim was armed, they might think twice before doing it.
              In the given example, there wouldn't be a car jacking if you just drive off. And there already is a "likelihood" that the victim is armed.

              Some people look for reasons to kill. Others use killing as a last resort.
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      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

      Thanks for the heads up. I keep the loaded glock in the glove box, so if they try me, I'm gonna pump them with so much lead that you could use them for a pencil.
      Unless they're driving away with your car, complete with Glock-in-the-Box
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    The sad thing is that even if this was originally a hoax it will give some people ideas. I suspect some "urban legends" have some truth to them. For example, it seems like a fairly obvious precaution to make sure someone isn't hiding in the backseat of your vehicle -yet this is listed in many places as an urban legend. I don't have any references offhand, but you can't tell me that a mugger, rapist, carjacker etc. has never done this.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      The sad thing is that even if this was originally a hoax it will give some people ideas. I suspect some "urban legends" have some truth to them. For example, it seems like a fairly obvious precaution to make sure someone isn't hiding in the backseat of your vehicle -yet this is listed in many places as an urban legend. I don't have any references offhand, but you can't tell me that a mugger, rapist, carjacker etc. has never done this.

      Killer in the backseat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      That used to be a fairly frequent occurrence when you could get into cars with a coat hanger. Not so much now that I know of. Actually - it was horror movies about people in the back seat that got people spooked enough to start looking before they got in. It was one of the things I taught women to do at the crisis center. Look first and if you see someone keep walking - get somewhere safe and call a cop.

      Originally Posted by HKSEO Jonbones View Post

      Like flashing your lights at a car with out its lights on at night is a gang initiation--we were told to drive home in groups from school when that one came out.

      People can be really stupid sometimes, but the paper on the back window doesn't sound like it is that far fetched.
      It's not far fetched at all. People have rigged all sorts of ways to get people out of their cars. How often any one thing happens is debatable, but things are getting tough now and as they get more hard up, we're going to see more crime. If someone could think of it to post emails about it - they can think of it to commit the actual crime.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
    Like flashing your lights at a car with out its lights on at night is a gang initiation--we were told to drive home in groups from school when that one came out.

    People can be really stupid sometimes, but the paper on the back window doesn't sound like it is that far fetched.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I agree hoax or not the lesson is there and should be heeded.

    I was mugged in broad daylight on probably the most high traffic street in SF - and the cops said it was because I gave the person an 'opening' by stopping to talk when they asked me directions.

    So if you don't want to feel like a snob - just keep walking and answer 'in passing' over your shoulder. Or pretend you don't speak English - go "Oi?" and keep walking...

    Point is keep moving, don't stop.

    I remember the one about when you turn on your lights to tell someone they have no lights on - (in the hoax, that means to a gang, you want to rumble so they shoot you) --

    That really got me because that is something I do automatically - without thinking - hit my brights for a second 2 or 3 times whenever I see a stupid car with no lights. It was weird the other night at dusk on a rainy day - it was pitch black and just in about 10 blocks I had to flash my lights 3 times for idiots driving with their lights off. Nobody killed me.

    I have a big wrench between my two front seats - it is wicked and I figure it can be used either to break the windows if I am submerged or break somebody's face if they get in mine.

    p.s. I think one of the most chilling experiences I have had however is when the car dealership showed me how there is a little latch inside the trunk so you can get out if some kidnapper locks you in your trunk. WHAAAAT????

    I guess the problem has to be somewhat RAMPANT for a car manufacturer to add a feature just for kidnap victims. (GM)

    Since then I visualize me as a female Clint Eastwood. Somebody puts their arm in the car and they have a gun and they tell me to let them in.

    With one hand on the wheel, in one split second, I shut the window on his hand and then punch it - the super charger kicks in and the guy either gets dragged beside the car (and if they shoot me we will crash) or worse - but I will tell you in this scene I will LAY RUBBER.

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Gotta agree with Kurt on this one. We all need to defend ourselves - but too much defense is just going to push the "gun control" crowd over the edge and then we are screwed to a wall. Just spread things like the email around so people will watch out for themselves and if something odd is noticeable, the crooks won't get any satisfaction. As far as parking lots - your best defense is to park away from other cars as much as possible and just keep an eye out for people hiding or walking close to you. I never walk in a parking lot alone without something in my hand I can use as a weapon if I need to.

    Remember that you have to defend yourself against law, too - so if you shoot haphazardly without actually being in enough risk to warrant it, you could end up behind bars yourself. That's not saying that you shouldn't defend yourself when necessary - just that you might not wanna use deadly force against someone if you don't absolutely have to.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Gotta agree with Kurt on this one. We all need to defend ourselves - but too much defense is just going to push the "gun control" crowd over the edge and then we are screwed to a wall. Just spread things like the email around so people will watch out for themselves and if something odd is noticeable, the crooks won't get any satisfaction. As far as parking lots - your best defense is to park away from other cars as much as possible and just keep an eye out for people hiding or walking close to you. I never walk in a parking lot alone without something in my hand I can use as a weapon if I need to.

      Remember that you have to defend yourself against law, too - so if you shoot haphazardly without actually being in enough risk to warrant it, you could end up behind bars yourself. That's not saying that you shouldn't defend yourself when necessary - just that you might not wanna use deadly force against someone if you don't absolutely have to.

      There is fear of gun control getting more juice as of late. I just heard on the news the other day that gun sales have skyrocketed since this past election because people are fearing much tougher gun control laws just around the corner.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I wasn't sure if it was a hoax or not - and said so. I just thought it should be posted because people are starting to get desperate and crime is going to, if it hasn't already started to, get more prevalent.
        I know Sal. I wasn't blaming you for posting it. I was just responding to your statement that you didn't know if it was real or not. Now folks know and they can go back to their regularly scheduled fears.

        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Did anyone sayit is rampant? Is ANYTHING rampant? I don't see hitchhikers all over, but many are sstill DANGEROUS!
        Calm down, Steve. My point was, the people who make this crap up enjoy spreading fear. The more the hoax is perpetuated the more they enjoy their "win" against ordinary people. The only way to fight back against this crap is to expose the hoax, rather than perpetuate it.

        Someone mentioned that it might give people ideas. It could, and the more the hoax is circulated the more people there are that may get those ideas. That's another reason exposing it as a hoax is important. If fewer people spread the hoax, fewer people will get funny ideas.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I know Sal. I wasn't blaming you for posting it. I was just responding to your statement that you didn't know if it was real or not. Now folks know and they can go back to their regularly scheduled fears.



          Calm down, Steve. My point was, the people who make this crap up enjoy spreading fear. The more the hoax is perpetuated the more they enjoy their "win" against ordinary people. The only way to fight back against this crap is to expose the hoax, rather than perpetuate it.

          Someone mentioned that it might give people ideas. It could, and the more the hoax is circulated the more people there are that may get those ideas. That's another reason exposing it as a hoax is important. If fewer people spread the hoax, fewer people will get funny ideas.
          Fear? I dunno. I kinda think that "spreading fear" is a tad strong for this one. I can't see anyone being overly panicked if they were to see a slip of paper on their car. Cautious I think was the aim. Am I just not as easily frightened as some? I think people need to be aware and cautious in parking lots. I didn't see this as fear mongering - and while it might not be a prevalent scam I'm betting someone used it at least once.

          Ya really think this would actually have that strong of an effect on people as to make them scared? Not being sarcastic here - actually deferring to your judgement, as my judgement of people isn't always that great.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I know Sal. I wasn't blaming you for posting it. I was just responding to your statement that you didn't know if it was real or not. Now folks know and they can go back to their regularly scheduled fears.



          Calm down, Steve. My point was, the people who make this crap up enjoy spreading fear. The more the hoax is perpetuated the more they enjoy their "win" against ordinary people. The only way to fight back against this crap is to expose the hoax, rather than perpetuate it.

          Someone mentioned that it might give people ideas. It could, and the more the hoax is circulated the more people there are that may get those ideas. That's another reason exposing it as a hoax is important. If fewer people spread the hoax, fewer people will get funny ideas.
          I AM calm. Maybe they are like the "mythbusters". The mythbusters will take something like putting your finger in a gun, and call it a myth. Too many today are too complacent. And that is simply because things HAVE gotten more dangerous. Too much has been taken out of peoples hands, and too many don't have enough details about what they are doing so someone can get hurt with NO direct malice. I just saw a film yesterday that is filled with lies and created to incite anger and hatred. I'm not even in the target group, but I will certainly be perceived to be. And some groups somehow are just created to cause fear and hatred. and then there is the population problem, inflation, and the lack of resources.

          People that would copy a hoax will NOT be detered by someone calling it a hoax! In fact, it would make them MORE likely to do it. Don't you think criminals would be MORE likely to do something that can certainly work if their possible victims are told not to worry?

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