What do you guys make of prophecies?

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I have been following the situation in Egypt lately and I can't help but remember a bible and a Nostradamus prophecy:

Bible:

Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. And I will stir up Egyptians against Egyptians, and they will fight, each against another and each against his neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom; and the spirit of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers; and I will give over the Egyptians into the hand of a hard master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord God of hosts. And the waters of the sea will be dried up, and the river will be dry and parched, ...

Nostradamus:

"The false trumpet concealing madness
will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards."


Is it a stretch of the imagination to believe these two prophecies are describing the current stat of affairs in Egypt? Would like to hear your opinions.

This is a thread about prophecies. Not politics or religion.
  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    I'm open to the idea of prophecies, but if you look at history you will see constant cycles of war, revolution, conquest, etc. So the type of prophecies you find in the Bible or by Nostradamus could really apply almost anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    I always figured if you make enough prophecies, some will come true.
    Not saying I don't totally not believe in them, but I don't follow them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      First of all, people tend to see what they want to see.

      But also, our brains are naturally attuned to coincidences. So when an unusual event happens, it creates a more lasting impression that overrides the countless times that event could have happened, but didn't occur, and as a consequence, we're inclined to give such coincidences disproportionate significance.

      Seers and charlatans throughout the ages have exploited this tendency.
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  • Profile picture of the author adamreilly1997
    I always find these prophecies very interesting. I could read stuff about the so called "dooms day" for hours.

    Don't know why I find it so interesting, I guess I just have a passion for it
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    I have been following the situation in Egypt lately and I can't help but remember a bible and a Nostradamus prophecy:

    Bible:

    Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. And I will stir up Egyptians against Egyptians, and they will fight, each against another and each against his neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom; and the spirit of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers; and I will give over the Egyptians into the hand of a hard master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord God of hosts. And the waters of the sea will be dried up, and the river will be dry and parched, ...

    Nostradamus:

    "The false trumpet concealing madness
    will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
    From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
    the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards."


    Is it a stretch of the imagination to believe these two prophecies are describing the current stat of affairs in Egypt? Would like to hear your opinions.

    This is a thread about prophecies. Not politics or religion.




    I could be wrong but hasn't the middle east been at unrest since the earth was flat?

    Was there a time in history that the middle east wasn't in total chaos?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think you should ask this question again on Dec 24.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I misread your subject line as "Popsicles" and was just composing a detailed response. Oh well...
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I have been following the situation in Egypt lately and I can't help but remember a bible and a Nostradamus prophecy:

      Bible:

      Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. And I will stir up Egyptians against Egyptians, and they will fight, each against another and each against his neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom; and the spirit of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers; and I will give over the Egyptians into the hand of a hard master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord God of hosts. And the waters of the sea will be dried up, and the river will be dry and parched, ...

      Nostradamus:

      "The false trumpet concealing madness
      will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
      From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
      the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards."


      Is it a stretch of the imagination to believe these two prophecies are describing the current stat of affairs in Egypt? Would like to hear your opinions.

      This is a thread about prophecies. Not politics or religion.
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      I'm open to the idea of prophecies, but if you look at history you will see constant cycles of war, revolution, conquest, etc. So the type of prophecies you find in the Bible or by Nostradamus could really apply almost anywhere.
      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      I always figured if you make enough prophecies, some will come true.
      Not saying I don't totally not believe in them, but I don't follow them.
      Originally Posted by adamreilly1997 View Post

      I always find these prophecies very interesting. I could read stuff about the so called "dooms day" for hours.

      Don't know why I find it so interesting, I guess I just have a passion for it
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      First of all, people tend to see what they want to see.

      But also, our brains are naturally attuned to coincidences. So when an unusual event happens, it creates a more lasting impression that overrides the countless times that event could have happened, but didn't occur, and as a consequence, we're inclined to give such coincidences disproportionate significance.

      Seers and charlatans throughout the ages have exploited this tendency.
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I could be wrong but hasn't the middle east been at unrest since the earth was flat?

      Was there a time in history that the middle east wasn't in total chaos?
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think you should ask this question again on Dec 24.
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I misread your subject line as "Popsicles" and was just composing a detailed response. Oh well...
      I predicted long ago that all of you were going to say that.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        I predicted long ago that all of you were going to say that.

        I predicated that you would predict what I said was part of your prediction.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          "The art of prophecy is very difficult - especially with respect to the future."
          - Mark Twain
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            "The art of prophecy is very difficult - especially with respect to the future."
            - Mark Twain
            "I've never made predictions and I never will"
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    Is it a stretch of the imagination to believe these two prophecies are describing the current stat of affairs in Egypt?
    It's very much than just a "stretch of the imagination", Bravo.

    You do realize that Byzantium is nowhere near Egypt at all? It isn't even on the same continent.
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It's very much than just a "stretch of the imagination", Bravo.

      You do realize that Byzantium is nowhere near Egypt at all? It isn't even on the same continent.
      It isn't even on the same planet.. It doesn't exist any more.
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      • Profile picture of the author LarryC
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        It isn't even on the same planet.. It doesn't exist any more.
        Technically it didn't even exist during the lifetime of Nostradamus. He was born in the 1500s, some years after the fall of Constantinople. But if he was referring to it simply as a geographical region, what is now Turkey isn't all that far from Egypt.
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          Technically it didn't even exist during the lifetime of Nostradamus. He was born in the 1500s, some years after the fall of Constantinople. But if he was referring to it simply as a geographical region, what is now Turkey isn't all that far from Egypt.
          I'm quite sure that he was referring to Turkey.

          Kairo to Istanbul: 1237.07 km
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It's very much than just a "stretch of the imagination", Bravo.

        You do realize that Byzantium is nowhere near Egypt at all? It isn't even on the same continent.
        It isn't even on the same planet.. It doesn't exist any more.
        I think you probably know perfectly well that I meant that where Byzantium was is nowhere near Egypt and not even on the same continent? :p
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I think you probably know perfectly well that I meant that where Byzantium was is nowhere near Egypt and not even on the same continent? :p
          I know, my comment was an attempt at being sassy.

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  • Profile picture of the author michael26a
    Get rich quick idea - start making my own prophecies, and sell them as a warrior special offer? I'm pretty sure some of them will at least come true, especially if I make them vague enough haha
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I think I'm like most people. I believe stuff that resonates closest with my intrinsic beliefs. I think people tend to shape their reality around their own beliefs.

    I'm not much interested in Egypt other than the Sphinx and the pyramids and maybe your occasional spitting camel for laughs so I don't really care much about what some old dead guy had to say about the place.

    Now, the end of the world thingy... That's different. Not buying into that one. Too much at stake. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarvis Edwards
    I find a few issues with the term "prophecies"

    1.) The interpretation--people who make them are limited in their understanding of what the information obtained actually means. For instance, a "seer" gets information from his/her subconscious mind; that information usually presents itself in symbols, impressions, feelings and fleeting glimpses of an event/scene. If the person misinterprets any of these stimuli, the end-message passed on to the outside world is flawed, and possibly totally false.

    2.) The future is never set in stone. There is always a possibility of a future event changing, presenting unlimited possibilities based on "current" decisions made by the people involved. Therefore, any prophecy is based on what could happen if other factors are all present, not what necessarily IS going to happen.

    Another thing is that time is not really linear as we perceive it to be. The past, present and future is said to be occurring at one particular time--now. So it seems as if everything happens in cycles. Which is why many of the predictions in the Bible etc can seem to be true now.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by tektime View Post

      The future is never set in stone.
      Our future was set in stone many thousands of years ago; far, far away from both Byzantium and Egypt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sum1
    A curious one is Psalm 22. (Not specifically for religious reasons)

    It has to be read as a prediction of some sort - or the author would already be dead by the time of writing.

    It may be possible that some details could have been engineered to match - at the Crucifixion of Jesus. Some practices (gambling over the robes) may have been routine at all such events.

    It also stands apart from other (less detailed) predictions because it isn't the kind of event we see repeating itself through history.

    There was a window of opportunity for history to have repeated itself - the time of Roman crucifixion practices. It could have possibly been applied to more than one crucifixion event - but even then, I'm not aware of records of any crucifixion practices at the time Psalm 22 was written.

    As detailed "predictions" go it appears to qualify seeing as the practice (as described in Psalm 22) was not recorded as commonplace until close to 1000 years later.
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