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How to stop a thief...

by butters
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I am not talking about an online thief here, I am talking about a thief who breaks in to the building and takes everything. Let me give you a bit of background before we start . Last night my mums community centre got broken in to, its a fairly large building, they broke in through one of the back doors by forcing it open with a crow bar. From there they went onto cause about £2000 in damages and eventually leave with absolutely zero (I guess they weren't very good). Kind of sad that someone would rob a charity at Christmas but I wont get into all that...

So here is the question, how would you stop a thief? It could be serious, comical, out right crazy if you want it to be!

(Seriously though, they have a camera system but its fairly out dated, if anyone knows of a quality system then I'd be really appreciative to know.)
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    Boobie trap my house like in the movie Home Alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You could get rid of doors that aren't needed, have conductive tape strategically placed on the windows, have sound/motion sensors, and pinhole cameras. That is safe, non invasive, cheap, and you could have some setup to an automatic dialer to notify police, etc... And let criminals know that it has a silent alarm with various triggers. One camera, or various stationary cameras likely won't cut it. It WOULD be neat to show them their picture, but that gives away where the camera is. Put a few cameras out for show and let them know that the rest are HIDDEN! Some stores put those domes up. Even WITHOUT cameras, they are a deterrent.

    BTW this is 1970s technology, and it STILL works. Just let them know that it is more complicated than tae and a couple cameras. If they make ONE wrong move on going through a window, even if it doesn't shatter, and they cut no tape, they could hit a frequency that triggers a sound detector to indicate BROKEN GLASS, and set off the alarm. If they bypass EVERY visible camera or dome, a pinhole camera in the frame of a bookcase may get a nice picture for a mugshot!

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      A hungry guard dog with sharp teeth, with a mini HD camera so l could enjoy the mutilation later on, would be good!

      Then check the hospitals, etc later on, to catch him or her!

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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        A hungry guard dog with sharp teeth, with a mini HD camera so l could enjoy the mutilation later on, would be good!

        Then check the hospitals, etc later on, to catch him or her!

        Shane
        Ah dude if only! I'd trick them with a little puppy at first, let them get a bit in the building and then unleash the big doggie .
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Ah dude if only! I'd trick them with a little puppy at first, let them get a bit in the building and then unleash the big doggie .
          HEY, the big dog could be female, and the little dogs ****MOTHER****! The burglar kicks the little dog, and he's a goner!

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            If you have a big dog with a big bark - the dog doesn't have to be mean. The size will scare off most people and they won't even notice the tail wagging.

            It worked for me for years with Wrex - a shepherd/Dane mix - and works now with Gracie - a pit bull. When the dog is big enough, thieves don't hang around to see if it's friendly or not.

            Any dog that barks at an intruder is a deterrent because thieves know noise attracts attention.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          A hungry guard dog with sharp teeth, with a mini HD camera so l could enjoy the mutilation later on, would be good!

          Then check the hospitals, etc later on, to catch him or her!

          Shane
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Ah dude if only! I'd trick them with a little puppy at first, let them get a bit in the building and then unleash the big doggie .
          I can't remember where I saw it, but they make alarms that trigger a recording of a dog barking. I would imagine that would work as long as the "secret" isn't known.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I can't remember where I saw it, but they make alarms that trigger a recording of a dog barking. I would imagine that would work as long as the "secret" isn't known.
            That's a popular one. It was even on all in the family!
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            • Profile picture of the author butters
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              An electric perimeter fence 50 yards out on all sides and four snipers on the roof ought to do it.
              Haha Im all for it everytime someone walks in there they would have a chance of getting shot!

              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              HEY, the big dog could be female, and the little dogs ****MOTHER****! The burglar kicks the little dog, and he's a goner!

              Steve
              What if we cover it in body armour with spikes, kind of like a terminator dog puppy!

              Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

              Gun --> bullet --> Warning shot to forehead.

              Drag body to curb for garbage removal.

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              Made me giggle ..

              Seriously though guy, thank you all Have definitely put a smile on my face .
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              • Profile picture of the author butters
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                If you have a big dog with a big bark - the dog doesn't have to be mean. The size will scare off most people and they won't even notice the tail wagging.

                It worked for me for years with Wrex - a shepherd/Dane mix - and works now with Gracie - a pit bull. When the dog is big enough, thieves don't hang around to see if it's friendly or not.

                Any dog that barks at an intruder is a deterrent because thieves know noise attracts attention.
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                I can't remember where I saw it, but they make alarms that trigger a recording of a dog barking. I would imagine that would work as long as the "secret" isn't known.
                I would love to put a couple of dogs in there at night But the stupid government thinks it would be to dangerous to the criminal to leave dogs attacking them Stupid government!
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by butters View Post

                  I would love to put a couple of dogs in there at night But the stupid government thinks it would be to dangerous to the criminal to leave dogs attacking them Stupid government!
                  ...but a recording of a dog whose barking gets triggered by an alarm wouldn't be dangerous. (I get your point though.)
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      You could get rid of doors that aren't needed, have conductive tape strategically placed on the windows, have sound/motion sensors, and pinhole cameras. That is safe, non invasive, cheap, and you could have some setup to an automatic dialer to notify police, etc... And let criminals know that it has a silent alarm with various triggers. One camera, or various stationary cameras likely won't cut it. It WOULD be neat to show them their picture, but that gives away where the camera is. Put a few cameras out for show and let them know that the rest are HIDDEN! Some stores put those domes up. Even WITHOUT cameras, they are a deterrent.

      BTW this is 1970s technology, and it STILL works. Just let them know that it is more complicated than tae and a couple cameras. If they make ONE wrong move on going through a window, even if it doesn't shatter, and they cut no tape, they could hit a frequency that triggers a sound detector to indicate BROKEN GLASS, and set off the alarm. If they bypass EVERY visible camera or dome, a pinhole camera in the frame of a bookcase may get a nice picture for a mugshot!

      Steve
      Thank you they are some good ideas I can pass on to her . The good news is she has gone out and hired a private security firm to be called out when the alarm is tripped. The police took 45 minuets to respond to the alarm going off!
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    An electric perimeter fence 50 yards out on all sides and four snipers on the roof ought to do it.
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    Originally Posted by butters View Post


    So here is the question, how would you stop a thief? It could be serious, comical, out right crazy if you want it to be!
    Gun --> bullet --> Warning shot to forehead.

    Drag body to curb for garbage removal.

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    I've heard the Dobermans will let them in and then get them before they get out and German Shepards will attempt to stop them from getting in.

    I once had a mix between them (ie, DobermanShepard) (Named Max)The poor dog would let someone in the yard and then bark at them till they left???

    My wife decided to get him a brother(ie, Pit Bull) Max killed him that night.

    The Pit tried to attack my son and Max wasn't going to allow it!

    Till this day my wife won't take in new pets.

    Just thought I would share this with you.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
    PS, I was in the US Navy and we were in Spain at the time.
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      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      I've heard the Dobermans will let them in and then get them before they get out and German Shepards will attempt to stop them from getting in.

      I once had a mix between them (ie, DobermanShepard) (Named Max)The poor dog would let someone in the yard and then bark at them till they left???

      My wife decided to get him a brother(ie, Pit Bull) Max killed him that night.

      The Pit tried to attack my son and Max wasn't going to allow it!

      Till this day my wife won't take in new pets.

      Just thought I would share this with you.

      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      PS, I was in the US Navy and we were in Spain at the time.
      This is a trait consistent with rottweilers. It's possible dobies may also have the trait, since their DNA includes rotty genes.

      Rotties were used to guard prisoners for the Romans, so their instincts are to hold and not attack. A typical rotty may let someone in the home/building/yard, but they won't let the person leave.
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    When I said that my wife won't take in new pets that didn't include the pets we inherited from are children...lol Such as Holly(Terrier), LC(Little Carl, Min Pen), Lola(Boxer/Pit mix), Coby(Jack Russel)Cookie(Siberian Cat) and Oreo(Black Cat which I think belonged to someone 250 years ago that my wife uses to cast spells on me)???

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Hmmmm, leave the cute puppy in the front room, and the vicious guard dog in the lounge-room, etc!

      As long as the guard dog doesn't ignore the burglar and go for the puppy, you are right to go! :rolleyes:

      Or fake barking dog system at the front door and vicious guard dog on standby!!!!

      With the mini HD camera around it's collar, or course! So, you can impress your friends later on, saying, look at how well my LCD tv picks up the red's!!!!! :rolleyes:


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    You can't have anything inside the building that would cause harm to a burglar, or, through your negligence, allow a burglar to be injured while on your premises. You will be sued, and you will lose. No booby traps, vicious dogs, attack cats, or trained assault llamas. Burglars, robbers, and general miscreants have rights, too, and they can't be ignored or trampled on just because they are ignoring and trampling on yours.

    Didn't you people learn anything in civics classes?
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      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      You can't have anything inside the building that would cause harm to a burglar, or, through your negligence, allow a burglar to be injured while on your premises. You will be sued, and you will lose. No booby traps, vicious dogs, attack cats, or trained assault llamas. Burglars, robbers, and general miscreants have rights, too, and they can't be ignored or trampled on just because they are ignoring and trampling on yours.

      Didn't you people learn anything in civics classes?
      And yet, in some states, if you're on the premises and feel threatened, you can just shoot them dead. Who needs a dog when you have a glock? Squirrely world we live in.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        You can't have anything inside the building that would cause harm to a burglar, or, through your negligence, allow a burglar to be injured while on your premises. You will be sued, and you will lose. No booby traps, vicious dogs, attack cats, or trained assault llamas. Burglars, robbers, and general miscreants have rights, too, and they can't be ignored or trampled on just because they are ignoring and trampling on yours.

        Didn't you people learn anything in civics classes?

        Marty McFly: [Reading the newspaper from 2016] "Within two hours of his arrest, Martin McFly Jr. was tried, convicted and sentenced to fifteen years in the state penitentiary."? Within two hours?
        Doc: The justice system works swiftly in the future now that they've abolished all lawyers.

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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        And yet, in some states, if you're on the premises and feel threatened, you can just shoot them dead. Who needs a dog when you have a glock? Squirrely world we live in.
        My mother called the police once, and asked about using a gun.

        He said to make sure he is inside, and dead.

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