Student expelled for refusing to wear RFID tracking chip badge

11 years ago

And I have such great memories of High school. Our grandchildren are going to write off our memories as fairy
tales, I'm afraid...

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Tina Golden

11 years ago

Uh-oh. When this topic was posted a few weeks back, it just about caused a war.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-students.html

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Kay King

11 years ago

The program has been discussed/argued to death - it's a pilot program meant to keep students in school during the school hours and maintain federal funding levels.

It works as school attendance rose - and those skipping classes dropped dramatically. Most of the students don't have a problem with it.

If this is the student's biggest concern - she must have an easy life to begin with. It's a "me and my rights" argument that seems a bit silly and self-serving.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The program has been discussed/argued to death - it's a pilot program meant to keep students in school during the school hours and maintain federal funding levels.

It works as school attendance rose - and those skipping classes dropped dramatically. Most of the students don't have a problem with it.

If this is the student's biggest concern - she must have an easy life to begin with. It's a "me and my rights" argument that seems a bit silly and self-serving.

I see you didn't think this through. If you look at it through the prism given openly, it almost ALWAYS looks good! Just today, a company used their data to determine I needed something, and reminded me of it. HEY, that is NICE! But if someone uses that data to build a fallacious profile, or build a picture of me, or hurt me in some way, that is bad.

A school in Massachusetts gave away laptops to students! NEVER MIND that they treat the public school kids that they are paid to TEACH like rich people on some RETREAT, and gve them THOUSANDS of dollars worth of goodies for a moment. Let's disregard THAT! OK, a laptop, sounds NICE, HUH? Well the had cameras! Good SO far! And software, and GPS, to view the surroundings and track stolen computers! Sound good so far? Reasonable?

OK, they were SPYING on students! some were even UNDRESSING in front of the computer. HEY, it's not like they thought the computer would be watching.

Now does THAT sound good? Imagine if kids came to YOUR place and left their computers running near where you had tax records, or patient records!

But HEY, it sounded good when it was to track thieves, etc....

Take googles search history If someone searches on your computer, it could tie you to something in a wierd way, and a policeman could draw a profile to ARREST you! It has happened before.

And what if someone wanted to hurt someones kid, etc?

The idea of the badges is problematic anyway.

Steve

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Joe Mobley 11 years ago

Sorry about that. I did an advanced search for student (not students) and didn't see anything about this topic.

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Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Uh-oh. When this topic was posted a few weeks back, it just about caused a war.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-students.html
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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

Meh, so if you want to skip school just give your id card to a friend who will be attending that day

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i580n 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

...or you could mail it to Afghanistan.

Heck, if I was a high school student in Texas, I'd organize a rebellion to ship all the tracking badges all over the place. Hard to get anymore funding when all the students are partying in China, Alaska, Hawaii, Russia, Tuvalu, Turkey, Iraq, etc. Sure, it would hurt my school, but it would help prevent the governments continued encroachment into the daily lives of students.
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KimW

11 years ago

Students should all agree to wear it,then on a set day they all toss them into a trash can and set it on fire.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

11 years ago

Everyone should wear an RFID tag =

(yes. you can troll me now...)

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Paul Myers

11 years ago

Steve,

I believe the one that had the laptops being used to take pictures of students at home was near Philadelphia. (Unless there were multiple incidents?) But yeah... That shows the risks of this stuff about as well as any incident I've seen yet.

For the folks suggesting shipping the cards to other countries... Those things have pretty limited ranges.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steve,

I believe the one that had the laptops being used to take pictures of students at home was near Philadelphia. (Unless there were multiple incidents?) But yeah... That shows the risks of this stuff about as well as any incident I've seen yet.

For the folks suggesting shipping the cards to other countries... Those things have pretty limited ranges.

Paul

Yeah, I seem to recall there were multiple cases. They didn't say if this software was custom, but I HAVE heard of freely available software to do it. USUALLY for tracking computers, or monitoring your area that it is in(like a home or office).

As for the limited ranges... HECK, I remember a time when companies were BRAGGING about ranges of like 20 feet. So it was a big deal then. The purpose THEN was for inventory tracking. Then again, that was a long time ago. NOW, one company is saying "Ultra-long read range - 20+ feet with battery-assisted sensor. This long range opens the door to use wireless sensors in many new, innovative applications." 20 feet probably wouldn't even work for attendance in the room, unless you have several sensors.

STILL, shipping them away DOES make them worthless! MAYBE you could obscure the ID, and stick it somewhere on a UPS truck! The trackers would have fits trying to track you around town. Maybe every now and then you would appear to wait in front of the school!

Still, what I spoke about happened and, if a person at a regular private company did that, they would be THROWN IN JAIL. Some people have been locked up for having a few partially nude pictures of kids.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

I would get on Ebay & buy a few hundred RFID tags then sew them into the inside of my clothes. Good luck trying to determine which of the 247 RFID tags is the correct tag.

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Kay King

11 years ago

Does this student also avoid Facebook and Twitter - not carry gadgets or phones that have gps or that might share personal info?

Or is the only problem a badge that never has to leave the school property and is in use only during school hours? If you are attending your classes - why do you care if the school knows you are in class?

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Does this student also avoid Facebook and Twitter - not carry gadgets or phones that have gps or that might share personal info?

Or is the only problem a badge that never has to leave the school property and is in use only during school hours? If you are attending your classes - why do you care if the school knows you are in class?

Maybe they see how this will evolve, and don't want to be a part of it.

Steve

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remodeler 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If you are attending your classes - why do you care if the school knows you are in class?

That's exactly the mindset these people want you to have. It's simple conditioning. Unfortunately the real agenda is much different. Power and control...all in the name of safety and security of course. And the sheeple will happily and compliantly follow.
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  Power and control over a bunch of teens? Good luck with that.
  
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  Dave Patterson 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Power and control over a bunch of teens? Good luck with that.
  
  Lol.....
  
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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I would get on Ebay & buy a few hundred RFID tags then sew them into the inside of my clothes. Good luck trying to determine which of the 247 RFID tags is the correct tag.

OBVIOUSLY, there are different standards, and they have good isolation. if you buy them on ebay, they might not even NOTICE THEM!

Steve

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thunderbird

11 years ago

How much should high school security guards be trusted?

The teenager spent a decade imprisoned in the 2nd floor bedroom of Thomas Hose, a security guard at her high school.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

How much should high school security guards be trusted?

The teenager spent a decade imprisoned in the 2nd floor bedroom of Thomas Hose, a security guard at her high school.

Well, it goes to show that you can't necessarily trust anyone. Such a SMALL house, and his parents NEVER questioned noise or checked that room? And they never questioned the smell? And he felt free to do this? SOMETHING IS FISHY!!!!

Steve

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mootonandy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Student expelled for refusing to wear RFID tracking chip badge | ZDNet

What this post did not mention is why the program is being implemented in the first place. I found this quote...

(Bold is mine.)

here,

Texas Student Refuses to Wear

and this quote

on this post,

Girl Expelled for Refusing to Wear Tracking Device.

Joe Mobley

Probably one of the best things that's going to happen to him in disguise.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

11 years ago

RFID tags are low density - you have to be right next to a reader to get information.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

RFID tags are low density - you have to be right next to a reader to get information.

GEE, then WHAT are they using at stores? Stores use low quality cheap %^&* and yet they would be virtually WORTHLESS if they didn't have a CONCEALED range exceeding 3'! Admittedly, from what I have seen, store detection posts probably DON'T exceed 5', but it IS between there. And those are the CHEAP ones. Supposedly the more expensive ones have ranges exceeding 20'.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

GEE, then WHAT are they using at stores? Stores use low quality cheap %^&* and yet they would be virtually WORTHLESS if they didn't have a CONCEALED range exceeding 3'! Admittedly, from what I have seen, store detection posts probably DON'T exceed 5', but it IS between there. And those are the CHEAP ones. Supposedly the more expensive ones have ranges exceeding 20'.

Steve

You need to be within aprox.5 feet (or less) of a reader to see what is on the tag...

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Kay King 11 years ago

Exactly - if students pass a reader as they enter their classroom, it makes it easy to see who is in class -and who isn't.

It's like a high tech roll call.
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- seasoned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Exactly - if students pass a reader as they enter their classroom, it makes it easy to see who is in class -and who isn't.
  
  It's like a high tech roll call.
  
  Pass through, cover up the badge, and LEAVE! You commit hooky, and the school gts the money. THEY, NOW, consider it WIN/WIN while it is LOSE/LOSE!
  
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KimW

11 years ago

It is a bad slippery slope your headed down if you let something like this slide.
And no,I am not making a pun.

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